PastorAIO:


If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1john 1.9

Please continue, but get to the point quick abeg.

Am just waiting for the guy. Let me see how he will rigmarole out of this one.

Guys why are we even focused on just Mark and Luke.

You have forgotten the gospel of John that says Jesus appeared to the women outside the tomb and told them to wait because he hasn't gotten to the father yet.

Oya let professional Olympic standard Christian gymnasts[ apologists] come and do their stunts.

Junia:

So you are also here to support Him
You are both lost brother
His enjoyment of life will end him up in the lake of fire because Jesus is the only way to Heaven and he doesnt believe in Him
And you wanna know about the lake of fire
Here you go
Revelation 20:15
And anyone whose name was not found recorded in
the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Brother God loves you
That was y he sent Jesus to die for us
Receive Him and be saved
Because He alone is the way to Heaven

You are so funny.

Your whole life hope, your life faith, your life goals and every of your decisions are determined by a book called the bible.

Well in case you don't know the history of your holy bible let me summarize the reality of the bible so next time you won't end up quoting revelation for me.

1. Its is a book comprising of 66 sub books written over a span of 2500 years.

2. It was written by over 40 authors whom most bible scholars accept as anonymous

3. It consists of over 1000 logical contradictions and scientific errors.

4. It contains over 30 failed prophecies

5. Your belief in Christianity is not biblically supported due to the fact that Christ didn't fulfill any messianic prophecy

6. The bible is seen as the foundation for over 30000 schisms/ denominations of Christianity showing the interpretation is a big problem for you Christians. It has no singular consistent message.

So Mr.Man before you start telling me am lost, consider the fact that all your beliefs come from an ancient archaic book. Your brain is stuck in a box.

Junia:

To save your spirit from the lake of fire and enjoy a better life

How do you know your life is better than his? How do you know that you have happiness that he lacks?

This lake of fire you are talking of, can you bring any proof other than blind faith of its existence?

Lady39:




Hi,
Wow! U have said a whole lot here and I thank u for replying! I hope that I can address all of your statements.
Just an observation though: where is the "Christian room for the Christians only..with Christian moderators"? Is there an atheist, deist, theist, hindu, or indigenous rooms ? I only see the "Muslim" room..which proves to me there is an agenda.
Possible idea--maybe if a Christian room was created, there would be less attacks on them in here. There is so much confusion in here, that I have to go the "family" room for decent stories...and the "romance" room for ridiculous stories to calm my nerves...

What I would like to do first is check out some of your posts and perhaps respond. Sir or Madam, I hope u know that I am not here to bash u or any other Atheists, Deists, Theists, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Indigenous religions etc.,
You have a right to believe what u want to believe. But no one has the right to try and force his/her beliefs on anyone. Nor should they mock folks.
I don't condone hypocritical behavior from "professing" Christians either...as stated in another one of my posts.
Maybe I just have a different view of things since I am that "American Christian" (although I am half-Igbo) that u chose to make a blanket judgement about.
I would like to have intelligent conversations without all of the bashings, attacks, ridicule, slander, mockery and anger that occurs in this room..all in the name of "religion." But even with that, if a person chooses to believe after sufficient evidence is presented, then what is left to discuss? Faith is a tremendous portion of believing in the Christian faith..u r correct. Every single doubt u may have will NOT be satisified through evidence, because some things God has not provided evidence for. You must have faith.
I am not into arguing about pretty much anything...as I have and continue to mature in this life.
As I said though, I'll check out some of your posts.

Okay let me respond to your points even though i agree with most.

1. I would personally prefer a christian room and a seperate atheist room. The reason why there is a seperate muslim section is not because Seun has an agenda but because of the nature of nigeria. I doubt you stay here from what you have said, the fact is that muslims are very sensitive to their religion and have a lot of extremists that can go a mile to prove a point. I guess Seun was just trying to give them the peace which they are willing to kill for.

There is no bias against christians, if you compare christians and muslims, you will find out that christians have the greater need to proselytize, christians want to convert, salvage etc all unbelievers. Its this behavior that makes christians always want to blend in and convert or argue with atheists but muslims dont care. Christians want to be the super heroes its just that you guys are very startled to find that the damsels you are trying to save are not in distress and do not need your help. I am hopeful that soon there will be a seperate christian section. But even if there is, you guys will still be the ones to start feeling guilty that so many souls are being lost and you have the god given responsibility to save them which will then make you want to evangelize with the holier than thou smug attitude.

2. We have a right to believe anything. I have always abstained from christian threads for a christian audience. You will never see me on a thread like " prayer and fasting this ember months" or " RCCG online fellowship". What would i be doing there? i also believe that many atheists here respect the fact that some believers just want to share their beliefs amongst themselves and they abstain from purely christian threads. But when you have a thread like " why Jesus is the only way" or " end of the world now", the topic alone is assuming so much over everyone thereby inviting everyone. When freethinkers tell you their objections, it will always sound condescending not because we want to be so but because we believe we are free from chains of religion and there is no way a religious person wont infer that as an insult that he/she is daft or in chains. These inferences are not always done on purpose. And is the same when a christian believes that he has been saved from eternal universal damnation by believing what others reject. You also have to understand that there are ongoing personality wars in this thread so you might be caught in the verbal croosfire, this usually happens on many message boards.

3. I know you want to have intelligent conversations but am sorry that might be hard between hardcore theists and freethinkers. Civil conversations cant even occur between christian sects. Best civil discussions you will see might be between deists and atheists. The thing is we use completely different methodologies to arrive at truth. If we were using the same tools then we could have civil intelligent conversations but its as if we are speaking chinese and you guys are speaking arabic.

How do you want me to accept that the earth is 6000 years old, the evidence you can provide will come from christian apologetic sites that already demonize and villify freethinkers as agents of the devil, sorry to say but rational evidence doesnt support most of your religious claims. If we try and have an intelligent conversation, we will be stuck at a cross road, i would be urging you from my own side to cross with reason while you will be urging me to cross over with blind faith.
I feel the religious position is very condescending because once faith is applied, it creates a bias over some specific beliefs, its like me telling you to communicate only in my language, but when reason is used, we are telling you to use a universal language that everyone can learn and use.

4. Your claim about god not providing evidence for it just supports my earlier points. Why would you still believe the evidence is unclear but you will still jump to the conclusion of the matter that puts your bible stories as absolute truth. We realize that there isnt evidence for everything so we leave the conclusion open and humbly accept ignorance as the finite beings we are in this mighty universe but you religious people see incomplete evidence and still jump to the conclusions you always had at the beginning of your faith. This is similar to rigging an election, you accept a desired outcome, the tests are made and you cant arrive at your desired outcome but you still go ahead and jump and elevate your desired outcome and present it as truth. For me, that is arrogance and ego centrism.

Lady39:
Hi,
I surely hope I can freely express my opinion in this particular room...without any backlash or banning.. When I joined this site at the beginning of December 2016, I first ventured into the "Religion" section. I had even created a post suggesting that believers of Jesus not be so harsh on a particular guy whom I thought was and may still be searching.
But i am so alarmed at the amount of attacks on those who believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God & member of the Trinity. I eventually left & went to 3-4 other rooms where I could have a calm spirit. I have clicked on so many weird posts, however it took my mind off of this particular room.
I now see, however, why people who believe in Jesus have to be so defensive in here..because of constant attacks. I don't mean to be rude or unGodly but it sometimes becomes very challenging to show the love of Christ when non-believers constantly refuse to have faith, try Christ & see what He can do in their lives.
Non-believers, if u choose NOT to believe, then that's your choice, but why mock, insult, degrade & belittle those that DO? It doesn't take all of that to get your points across....it really doesn't.
Question for Atheists, Deists, Muslims, & any other group who don't believe in the deity of Christ:
Why so much anger, hostility, mockery, & malice towards those who choose to believe
differently from u?

Please is it only Christians that are attacked here.

Your post is actually self centered , just like american christians who deceive themselves to be persecuted by unbelievers even though they are in the majority.

All sides get attacked on this board.
Personally for me and other respectful freethinkers, we don't bring or dig up biblical contradictions for fun, we are actually showing you the journey we went through that enabled us break free.

Now honestly ask yourself this question, if I am to have a very polite argument with a christian without any insult, how long do you think it will take before I am called a possessed hellbound unbeliever?

The fact is you christians are always very alarmed and surprised to see someone who rejects all your claims. I say so because I was once a christian and when I first saw bold internet atheists it felt like seeing extraterrestrials, I didn't believe people could live their lives without fear of hell and thoughts of eternity.

It's like the Africans who first saw white men, they believed that they saw ghosts.

I notice that religious people think freethinkers are incoherent, lost, possessed people from afar. But when you meet us you find out that we have very strong reasons for disbelieving and the reasons come from your holy books themselves.

You talk about us choosing not to have faith or not to try Jesus. Well faith is a never ending cycle, when will the faith be enough to start seeing evidence, assuming I had never been a Christian before and I decide to have faith since faith should bring out miracles, when the faith doesn't work, when will it be enough for me to call it quits?

Am asking because I am sure that anytime one decides to drop the faith, he is villified by believers
Faith is not a test mechanism for Christians, it is a belt to be worn for life. So when you say just have faith, you are telling a mature adult to believe for life and confirm after he dies.

What we ask for is evidence. We freethinkers have dropped faith as a truth seeking mechanism because with faith all things can be true and all things can be false depending on which side you apply your faith.

As for me you can check my posts, I don't intentionally mock believers, anytime I do so is usually in retaliation to the smug judgemental attitude.

Sorry to say oh, for both atheists and theists

This thread has been a 33 page pile of thrash. Only the first page made sense. The endless tirades and back and forth has led nowhere and will lead nowhere.

hahn:


Atheism is actually good for religion because the only time theists ever unite is when they are against atheists

Once the atheists walks out of the room it is back to "my god is the real god"

Haha haha.

Na only " my god is the real god"

You have forgotten how Christians throw jibes at each other like

1. You Catholics are idolaters that worship Mary and other saints

2. Pentecostals are noise makers with greedy pastors
3. Jehovah witnesses and Mormons are all heretics and deceivers.
4. Deeper life members are too extreme
Even among the Pentecostals , you see

1. My annointing is great that's why I run 4 services on Sunday.

2. The Lord is working wonders in our church that's why in just 4 years we have our own building and auditorium.

3. Has your pastor raised the dead before.

4. Just try my church once and you will know what you have been missing.

An2elect2:
He isnt imaginary to the majority, where will that place you and your opinion then

He is imaginary to over 4 billion non Christians in the world. If you bother to tell me how their gods are also imaginary then you just proved my point.

mrmrmister:
I just don't understand those christians, how am I supposed to prove something doesn't exist.

I have red boxers, how can you prove that I don't have red boxers?

Priceless comment.

For all the xtian ladies, I know you girls all wear panties made of diamonds, I can't disprove it so it must be true.

Even of you are jumping molue in Lagos and soaking garri, I still believe your panties are made of diamonds even though you can sell it and make a fortune and live like queens. But you know what, your lifestyle doesn't matter, I can't know what you wear beneath so it can be anything even of you don't prove it.

Jokers

KingEbukasBlog:


Agnostic in the sense that he was not certain or is skeptical about a personal God not the existence of the Supreme Being . Albert Einstein was clearly a deist .

'I am not an atheist.'explaining at one point: "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal god is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."

Young man I have to ask you whether you are a Christian.

All your posts seem to rope in deism. Its like you always wanna claim the sense in deism.

For you it's clear that your dabbling into science and reason is making you unable to accept all the tales in the bible and you are now trying to marry scientific theories with the biblical ones. You appear to be diluting your faith, you might just be turning into a deist.

You know what you should do to yourself?
Recite the following to yourself once more
1. I believe the world was created on 6am 4004bc by Yahweh with a command.
2. I believe every living thing was created 7 days later including man and all the animals.
3. I believe Yahweh chose the jews out of all the millions of human beings.
4. I believe Yahweh sent Moses to be a savior and lawgiver to the jews.
5. I believe Yahweh sent his only son Jesus to be the messiah of humanity after shunning humanity for 4000 years.
6. I believe Yahweh is actually 3 people in one.
7. I believe the end is near and all faithful Christians will be raptured to heaven and live forever and ever.

Please recite the above so you can get back to the camp you belong in. But if you ever want to use your head, you already know where you will end up which is anywhere but Christianity.

lepasharon:


Exactly, Christians believe christianity is not a religion so why are Christians getting their knickers in a twist over what he said. Christianity has nothing to do with religion remember? Hypocrites

May you be blessed.

This hypocrites will always want to distance Christianity from religion when it suits them. They say Christianity is not a religion but a way of life, now just one influential person claims to accept religion and all of them here are running back under the canopy of religion.

Their religion needs the strength that comes from community and blind faith. They need the constant reassurance that they are right. The knowledge that comes from faith is very fleeting and shaky compared to the knowledge that comes from reason.


It's because of the nature of this faith knowledge that they need people reassuring them, they need community etc they are like blind men in a room seeking for what to hold on to in order to be sure that they are right. They are never fully confident that's why stories of pastors commiting sins deals a blow to their faiths.

As for freethinkers, we don't need to see other believing people in order to be sure. We believe because we followed a logical path to the truth. We don't need and depend on other peoples logic cause all brains can reason when they decide to.

@op, thanks for the compliment

I also like the analogy you used concerning light in a room.

Just like your analogy, Christians will never believe you have enough faith until you believe totally, they are just telling you to swallow everything without arguing.

The fact is that the biblical stories never asked for blind faith.

The Israelites believed in Yahweh because they trusted their ancestors to not lie to them, they accepted the stories fully.

You should also consider the fact that if you were a primitive desert dwelling man and you had no explanation for thunder, hurricanes, diseases and suffering, you would most likely fit everything into the god model, for them existing at that time, it wasn't blind faith but merely an explanation of observable phenomenon with mythology .

But in this modern world that science keeps pushing the limits of our discoveries , religious people actually need blind stupid faith to maintain their religion.

The concept of blind faith is a medieval and Catholic concept just like the doctrine of hell. When these two doctrines were formed, it was done to adjust and adapt the church to the increasing demands of logic and reason.

People were growing too smart so blind faith had to be praised as a virtue and for those who didn't seem to have blind faith, the doctrine of hell was expanded upon[ the seeds were already in the bible] to expose the worst imaginable suffering mankind could ever imagine.
It's common sense, if you don't want to believe blindly, at least try and save yourself from the worst thing that could ever happen to you even though you can never confirm it till you die. Its this type of philosophy that is the backbone of Paschals wager.

These two philosophies are like the barbed wired fences of Christianity.

skeendyke:
LiberaDeus, it is obvious you haven't done a thorough investigation into this matter as an increasing number of doctors all over the world without any religious affiliation are of the opinion that life continues after death. They came to this conclusion through the experiences of patients they have performed surgeries on who flat lined in the process but who, after recovering, described exactly what the doctors did or said. Not every OBE leads to a heaven or hell experience.

Life after death is no longer a matter of religious doctrines or beliefs. It is a fact that medical science attests positively to through years of research, experimentation and data collation.

Don't jump to conclusions immediately.

A high number of neuroscientists accept the fact that consciousness doesn't end when brain or neural activity seems to be over. That is not definite proof of life after death and even if you feel its proof, what type of life exists after death?

If you are going to follow scientific research then follow it totally not going back and forth between science and faith.
Scientists have conducted numerous experiments on life after death and the unanimous conclusion is that there is a strong possibility of consciousness after clinical death, now if you are going to cite their conclusions as fact then follow them all through because the same science doesn't affirm your version of an after life containing heaven and hell.

You christians are pathetic

So now its just the KJV and the Ethiopian bible that are correct. So your beloved word of god has been tampered with.

I hope you know that the KJV wasnt translated well thats why a NKJV was created.

The verse in Isaiah has Edom in it. Thats not the only prophecy in the bible that failed.

There are prophecies about Tyre being destroyed, about egypt not being inhabited for 40 years, prophecies about the 2nd coming and they all failed.

Lets not even go down that route

Anas09:
The demons imside of these people are scared to shiit. Theres nothing that keeps the demons restless like the thought of hellfire.


Have you guys wondered why you tell yourselves that theres no God, no afterlife, yet can't sleep wen hell is mentioned?


He has lied to your humanity about God and hell, but him side of you is so afraid.

The Bible says, anytime satan remembers that, he TREMBLES. Satan trembles when he thinks of hellfire.


You dont know what it means to encounter that fire, he knows, that kills them.

Pity.

You don't understand that the christian life is miserable because of a perpetual fear of hell. You believe hell exists and you fear falling short of heaven.
You are the one who is tormented by a demon of fear that ensures you never leave your Christian prison. Enjoy your jail sentence

An2elect2:
The wisdom of men is the greatest curse on mankind

That wisdom is giving you the ability to comment on a forum with an intelligent device. How ironical?

felixomor:


Of course, u just realized ur goof.

You are funny. I told you to rest because you need it. I told you before i dont have time for endless tirades.

felixomor:


So if i say something had not happened as at yesterday and it happened today, then u quote my yesterday that I lied,
You are correct abi?

Mscheww, I pity u.

By the way, I am still waiting for seun.

Aboy go and rest.

felixomor:


Quiet, the claim was made and he then came to answer.
And i gave him the final question.

U thought u had found something.
Just keep quiet.

I just showed you your initial statement to your christian brother. You lied about Seun answering, something so small and inconsequential, for me that shows me the nature of christians on this forum

felixomor:


Hehehe,

As in answer to this one.




Who is lying now?
Is it not you?

Guy your initial claim to your fellow christian was that he didnt answer the question at all not that he refused to elaborate on his reasons for disbelieving.

[/b]As in eh.
I thank God for him.
I will always say it.
Its better to say one is an atheist and just shut up.

Than make it look it like its all about reason.
[b][/b]Even Seun came, i asked him one question, if he believed afterlife existed?[b]

[/b]He couldnt answer.[b]

These are your words, eat them.

No need to enter a senseless tirade with you. Just accept you lied and ask your saviour for forgiveness.

dalaman:


What os wrong with this shameless liar. You said according to Ichthyologists whales have enough air to allow animals as big as sharks to live inside them for prolong periods, you also said that whales digestive juices only kick in when the animals inside them are dead. Which ichthyologists told you that? Where do you get it from? SHOW ME.

These christians are pathetic liars.

Their consciences are so seared. How can they actually claim they have a fear of god and want to live holy lives but lie about such mundane things.

The other one asked Seun a question and Seun answered him, he went on to comment just below that he asked and Seun didnt answer.

felixomor:


As in eh.
I thank God for him.
I will always say it.
Its better to say one is an atheist and just shut up.

Than make it look it like its all about reason.
Even Seun came, i asked him one question, if he believed afterlife existed?

He couldnt answer.

They dont have nattin.

Why are you lying?

I just read Seuns answer to your question about the afterlife. He said he doesnt believe in it. Why do you now claim he didnt answer.

Such a senseless lie to prove a point.

Guy no vex. Go to this thread and close it. https://www.nairaland.com/3523940/why-atheists-shift-burden-proof/10.

The christards are running riot and forming hercules there. No atheist has done anything there.

AM not an atheist so i wont argue on what i dont believe in. I can see the holes in their argument but i wont indulge them, am just teasing them.

damogul:



What part of your brain refuses to accept the purpose of this thread?

Brother Dami, I hail. When are we going for watchnight service where you can pray for hours and speak in tongues even though by the next day you would be swearing and cursing every thing and person that challenges you.

Thats why i like you. You are so christlike

KingEbukasBlog:


Now we are talking . So let's hear it . Please don't rehash the death , diseases , poverty argument . I'm tired of repeating the same rebuttal .

Before you respond , note that the probability the universe came by chance is highly inconceivable and insignificant . You may now continue .

You theists have never debunked the death, disease and suffering argument.

You have never debunked it, you just run away when the heat is much and later come back to claim that you won the argument.

KingEbukasBlog:


If you are not disputing the existence of God(Supreme Being ) , then why are you here ?

Am here to watch an intellectual argument but am getting nothing.

The summary is that it is impossible to prove that something does not exist. Anything could exist in any part of the universe but in order for a belief to be valid and worthy of attention, it needs hard evidence to back it up.

My own opinion is that you can't disprove the existence of a supreme being. But when you become more specific on the qualities of the being then we can evaluate its existence and effect in our known earth realm.

But you ain't a Christian because you just believe god exists, nah , there is more to it. Are you guys afraid of narrowing down your claims?

damogul:


are you godly?

I am not godly. I am moral.

You my friend are just funny

KingEbukasBlog:


You do realize that there is a massive difference between Religious Skepticism and Atheism . And that religious skepticism has nothing to do with the existence of God . I hope you do realize that . Don't waste our time bro , where is proof the Supreme Being does not exist ?

I never said no supreme being exists

If you do one thing for me I will enter the argument.
Just define the supreme being or god. The word is very vague. If you can just define it then I can't enter

damogul:



You started well but ended imbecilicly.

You entertain me so much.

Your character is a priceless spectacle.

You are so ungodly

NL atheists,
In order not to let this christards get away with their lousy claim that you guys can't prove god doesn't exist, I advise you guys come and do justice to this threads.
Agnostics have been on the thread for too long

I hereby summon the aforementioned atheists

Plaetton
HopefulLandlord
Hahn
EyehateGod
Joycontramundum
Johnnydon22
Seun
Lepasharon

If it was a thread about disproving the Abrahamic god, I would gladly indulge and dismantle their puerile claims but this is your battle. Don't allow these Christians seem or sound smart as they are trying to, we all know they believe in the most ridiculous things.

damogul:


So much stupid in one post

Christian warrior, when are you starting your ministry?

I know you are such a wonderful miracle worker, the next thing would be for you to open a church.

You exhibit the worst qualities in a supposed christian. You dont even hide your behavior at all. Well i know that in religion, any and everything can be justified.