Rilwayne001:


Which TV station is showing it abeg?

AIT is showing it.

Its very orderly and transparent

spartanman007:
WOW!!! You are a genius and deserve some accolades for this... But when has opening an account on a certain day by people who have the freedom and right to do so as a citizen of a country become a crime? If I come out openly to support someone or air my views,is that also a crime? You are just a junkie who has no work but monitor people around. #FreedomOfChoice

Oga you self April 26th 2018.

You guys are really strategising

What a pity and shame

Enjoy your allowances

The 4 posters above me registered on april 26th and May 11th.

Dont you people have shame?

Igboid:


No body is being bitter about anything. You lots said you are not Igbos, and I'm merely concurring with your assertions by saying YES! You are indeed not Igbos.



Now this is bull crap, we all went to war and came back to now see people we once answered Igbos with, calling us Igbos, denying and embarrassing us before other Nigerians, just to escape the "Igbo stigma" Nigerian government promoted post civil war.
Of course, the natural course of action would be to fight back at those who seek to ridicule us.
As for your stories of some Igbos from SE ridiculing you for your Igbo dialects, it happens everywhere, when I went to Abia State for the first time as a young adult, seeing as I speak Idemili/ Enugu Urban Igbo, my Aba friends often laugh at my language, they thought it was funny when I say something like " Yego dim ifedi" for "give me this thing", they Nick named me "Ifedi" in scornful way, because I used it alot and couldn't help myself.
If you come to Onitsha and speak Imo/Abia dialects, they would laugh at you and call you "onye imo", in not a soul friendly manner.
They also call Ebonyi people "Onye Abakeleke" or just Onye Aba, Enugu people are called Ndi Wawa. All these in a condescending and not so funny manner.

It exists in every ethnic group, even in England, the Southern English don't think the Nothern Englishmen English language is good enough or refined enough, they Northerners are often teased.

So what you explain for your Ukwuani group, is what every Igbo group suffer, whenever they leave their part of Igboland to another part where their own brand of Igbo is not spoken.



Izhi, Ezza and Ikwo people of Ebonyi had also been accused by many Igbo groups of not being Igbo enough because their brand of Igbo is very difficult for Imo and Anambra people to grasp, Izzi in particular now have their own Izzi language Bible, and don't use the general Igbo Bible.
Yet you don't see Ebonyi people screaming we are not Igbos, and looking for who to pamper and beg them to be Igbos, they simply ignore like you don't exist and continue flexing their Igbo identities.
Come to Nkpor and Ogidi, Ebonyi people are every where and had hijacked traditional masquerades of these towns, like During Nwafor festival in Ogidi, Ebonyi people are the ones that would celebrate it even more than the indigenes themselves.




I think it's the other way round. All we have done was reach out to Igboid groups in SS after the war, and all we often get in return is insults and accusations of wanting association with them so that we can claim their lands, crude oil, or some other dumb excuses.
This was how Sunday Oliseh, an Ukwuani-Ika man went to embarrass Ndiigbo in a nationally televised broadcast.
Sunday Oliseh perfectly sums up the embarssment SE Igbos had been receiving from your people.
You meet a Chinedu Osadume in NYSC orientation camp in far away Kebbi state and you are so excited, to have finally met a fellow Igbo man, so you call him by saying " Bia Nnaa, kee ije", and he responds to you in public, before other Nigerians by saying, "I no be Ibo, no dey speak that language to me".
And there you are feeling so embarrassed, and you make up your mind to tell everyone else that Osadume Chinedu is not an Igbo man, then the same Osadume goes around telling people how you look down on him.
Every SEner had encountered a Chinedu Osadume once or many times since after the war, and it shaped the way we all treat other people from Chinedu Osadume clan we meet in the future
The idea is to deny and embarrass them, before they get the chance to deny or embarrass you.
Your people created that vicious cycle right after the Civil War



I believe I had already addressed the issues raised here.






These are all shallow excuses your people give to justify your distinctiveness from SE and the drive for your Igbo denial.

Well let me tell you.

In SE, Nsukka people live and Intermarry with their Igala neighbors.
The Ezza, Izzi and Ikwo had intermixed with the Idomas and Ekoi groups in Cross Rivers, we even have distinct Cross River speaking villages in Ebonyi, that only speak Igbo as a second language, such was the admixture there.

The Asa and Ndoki had mixed via intermarriage with their Ogoni, Ibibio and Ijaw (Ibani) neighbors

The list is endless, yet these groups remain Igbo and are not using their intermarriage with non Igbo groups as justification for Igbo denial.
So, as you can see, you have no point. You are not the only ones who had non Igboid speaking neighbors and intermarried with them, many Igbo groups in SE did as well.



Don't get it twisted, the salty things are all reactions to your Igbo denial which had started taking the form of Igbo hate, especially for Ika and Ikwerre people.
Your actions are rightly eliciting similar reactions from Ndiigbo.
If we consider SS Igbos as inferior to us, we wouldn't have a SS Igbo man, Ralph Uwaechue become a one time two term president of Apex Igbo socio-cultural organization, Ohanaeze Ndiigbo.
An Ikwerre man, Uche Okwukwu, is the current secretary General of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo.
Your talk of anyone looking down on anyone holds no water, no group allows people they consider inferior, pilot their affairs.

SS Igboids are not singing cumbayaya amongst themselves either.
Ikwerre people had seized power in Rivers state, and wouldn't allow very Igboids like Etches, Asa, Ndoki, Ekpeye, Ogba have a sniff at it.
It's so bad that Ikwerres had also hijacked the Rivers SE Senatorial position.
Leaving the Etches with nothing.

I remember how your greedy Ukwuani/Ndokwa people, during the clamour for a Delta state governor of Delta North extraction, went about disassociating yourselves from Anioma, claiming that Ndokwa is a distinct ethnic group and the second only to Urhobos, you also tried to curry favor from Urhobos by claiming that Ndokwa is made up of people of Isoko, Urhobo and Ijaw extractions and therefore, the most unifying group in Delta.
So much for solidarity in your ranks, right?

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/02/ndokwa-nation-miniature-delta-2015-relevance/




In case you missed the memo.
The opening article of this thread was written by a proud Igbo man from SS, Asaba to be precise, who is concerned about the path groups like Ukwuani /Ika /Ikwerre and Ogba are taking.
So I think you can take your banal advice Now, and flush it down the toilet.
Kachi foo.

Oga thank you so much for this.

You busted all their lies.

Igboid:


I use to be a campaigner for Igbo unity from Igbanke (Edo state) to Isobo (Cross River).

But I know better now.
I joined facebook pages of these groups over the past five years, and got to psych their sentiments.

I tell you, most of these people are even more Igbophobic than non Igbo Nigerians, they have this strong urge to be strongly Igbo hating, to prove to their non Igbo neighbors, that truly, they are not Igbos.

You only encourage their folly, when you keep insisting they are Igbo , you do that, and they grow a sense of group importance and pour more hate on you.

Those people are broken and toxic, as a matter of fact, SE should stay away from them, before they infect US with their venom. Because I found out that the more time I spent on those their forums, and witnessed first hand their raw unwarranted hate for Ndiigbo, the more my hate for them increased.

Like I said, those groups outside SE are toxic, we should let them be.

As a matter of fact, I had made it a point to remind any of them, that claims relationship with Igbos, that they are not Igbo, that their non Igbo ancestors suffered from a very malignant form of inferiority complex, which culminated in them dropping their former languages, be them Bini (like most of them claim), Ijaw, etc, for a superior Igbo language, which they corrupted to create the current anomalies they now speak and call Igboid language.

I swear, there is no relationship between Ndiigbo and these people, the hate emanating from those quarters is toxic.
Many of them are praying for harm to befall Ndiigbo again, so that they can capitalize and steal more of our lands, that's how devilish they are.

Thank you my brother for your submission

I noticed the same thing too

This SS igbos especially the ikwerres are nothing to write home about.

The hate they have for igbos coupled with their laziness is alarming.

Let no igbo man deceive himself with any form of unity with this people, their hate is real and toxic and we out do them in many aspects of life so they continually fear our domination of them.

tribalmall:


It is Sunday morning n I will not curse but let it be known to you what tribe as been cursed from time memorial. If a fool among your tribesmen can wake one morning to waste 2 million of his own people on ego tripping, pls tell what is that if not a curse ?

How about a tribe casting a class aside among it own just so they could be hated “osu caste”.

How about a tribe that hate Yoruba, Hausa, Ijaw, Edo, French, British, Russians, Arabs, Malaysians, Singaporeans, Chinese, Indians, South Africans n many more.

Hatred is what your Igbo tribe is all about. Your father, mother, grand parent birthed n nurtured you n your entire lineage (tribe) with hate.

That fact is well documented across the globe so cursing you or your tribe is a deservice. We all know you suffer from generational curse placed on your entire tribe long before you were born.

A cursed person does not curse, you need to get the inherited curse accruing to you from that inflicted on your forefathers of your neck before you can dare to curse another.

So this God blessed Sunday morning I will not curse you nor will I add another curse to your miserable soul. I will simply bask in the euphoria of your struggle with the accumulated curse inflicted on your tribe from generation to generation.

Salom !

Thank you my christian brother.

I accept that we Igbos are cursed. Cursed with a generational curse.

You know what that curse is?

The curse is having to share a country with northerners and yorubas.

We were cursed from 1914 till date, the curse is simple, share a country with people you will always do better than in every aspect thereby provoking their envy and hatred and also confusion in not letting you form your country. There is no greater curse than that.

If we are suffering from a disease, you guys are the disease.

Salom

LaudableXX:


You don't have time to waste with me, yet you jump up every second to quote my posts, and indulge in name calling and insults? Very funny.

You earlier said : "lagos was more than just an FCT. It had and still has our biggest and most functional sea port and airport,...."

Then you made another post claiming that Onne "port was not operating on the level of Apapa due to FGs neglect and now the FG wants to correct that."

You even posted links from 3 different articles to support your point, about how poorly Onne functioned in your view. I had to cite an article to show you that Onne was in fact bigger in size than Apapa, and also had capacity to handle large shipping volumes, which is what has led the federal government/NPA to upgrade the port and increase its handling facilities. Now, if you want to split hairs further and engage in petty name calling, you are free to do so. Continue with your rants....

There is nothing i wont see here. So if you are asked why apapa has more traffic than Onne, you would say its simply preference of importers.

Do you know Onne port wasnt a multipurpose port before?

Do you know it was fully concessioned to Intel?

Do you know that the charges in Onne Port are much more expensive? and who do you thank for that, the importers i guess

The article you cited from the nation clearly showed the FGs plans for the port.

The article clearly stated that the MD of NPA clearly wanted to reposition the port as a hub of trade in west africa and you are still arguing.

Do you know that calabar port is one of the only ports in the world to be located on the convex side of a channel thereby causing silt deposition and needing constant dredging?

Am sure you dont care to know. you just copied an article from the nation and as far as you are concerned, Onne was always as good as apapa and calabar could also handle apapa's traffic.

Dont worry very soon, Onne would be fully functional and attract more ships, Ibaka is coming on board in a few years time. Cross river state government is dredging calabar seaport and you will see the impact on it on the local economy of those states.

As for the argument of why apapa port has more vessel traffic, please kindly open a topic for it and see your views get debunked. The thread has totally derailed and died.

LaudableXX:


You keep proving my assertions, right. Didn't I tell you earlier, that you and your people are quick to insult others who do not share your views? You either label them Afonja, or accuse them of hating Igbos, or allege that they suffer from Igbophobia. So far, you have not disappointed me. You have done almost all the above, even after I categorically told you in an earlier post that I do not come from the Southwest. How pathetic.

The same way your darling yorubas insult everyone on this forum that doesnt agree with them and on every other social media platform

horsepower101:


Just don't bother explaining to him. His myopic anti-Igbo mind has been made up.

Dont mind the human being.

See him yapping about why we arent using calabar and onne sea ports. Who told him we dont use them? and who told him igbos are not in droves in those regions?

He keeps denying he is yoruba but from his political views and statements and even level of exposure, his ethnicity and bias is clear for everyone to see.

LaudableXX:


Your problem is that you cannot be bothered to do research or read comprehensively. There are several articles about Onne port on the internet, and I have various colleagues whose organisations transact business daily at Onne port. In fact, my former clients are still based at Onne port and that area is well known.

You are upset and hysterical, because the myopic perspective you have been trying to paint about your people, is not gaining traction. Now, because I did not buy into your flawed perspective, you started ranting about 'hating Igbos." Very funny! Such juvenile drivel should not be coming from the keyboard of a man like you.

But I am not surprised, because that is how you and your people stoop so low, when others fail to buy into their viewpoint. i will not stoop to your level by engaging in name-calling. Insults are becoming your trademark, so you can indulge in them to your heart's content.

At least you have now accepted that Onne sea port is functional, which was a far cry from what you said before.



Finally, you said you are an avid reader of NL politics section. Ok, how many of my posts have you read on NL? And in how many of them did I say that I hated Igbos? Tell everyone....

Tell me where i ever said that those ports werent used.

I always called Apapa port the largest and most reliable port not the ONLY port. I never called apapa the only port.

Dont tell me abt your friend in Onne port. I also have friends working in Intels Ltd who work at Onne. So i have more info abt those ports than you do.

Does the article ever state that Onne was ever more reliable than Apapa. Is it not now that customs and FG are trying to market and invest greatly while encouraging people to utilize it.

In case you dont know, igbos still utilize it and most importantly, there are igbos in Onne because of the port activity and also igbos in PH and calabar. So what exactly are you driving at with this port issue.

You claimed igbos are just trooping to lagos after it being FCT while there are other ports. So should igbos use apapa without using Onne or vice versa?

Are they not free to use all? So what are you yapping about, igbos are in those towns but there are clearly far more investment attractions in lagos for just one city thats why more people troop over there. Is that simple logic hard for you to understand.

Guy i dont have time to waste with you again. Enjoy your bias and bubble.

LaudableXX:


Like I said earlier, it appears you are strongly averse to the truth. And you love jumping from pillar to post, citing unrelated examples as an excuse to digress from the topic, and twist the subject. How did this topic suddenly turn round to focus upon "the number of luxury ferraris and lamborghinis i have seen, i cant count the number of young comfortable millionaires under 40 in lagos or is it the corporate managerial class in lagos or the businessmen building wonderful structures across lagos...??" Who asked you? You like to major in the unimportant, and elevate irrational points into highly elevated works.

The reason why immigrants founded America, Australia etc are wide and multi-faceted. So by flinging them around on this thread, it shows you are just digressing in a bid to confuse the relevant issues.

Who is asking Igbos not to go to Port-harcourt, Calabar, Uyo, Warri, Benin, kano, kaduna?? Why are you just ranting out of context? Why are you so pained??

And sorry to disappoint you, Onne port is highly functional. Those articles you cited are totally outdated.



Finally you claimed: "You are clearly biased and you are desperately trying to paint igbo migration to lagos as a form of desperate refugee movement but you see nothing wrong with Yoruba, Edo and other tribes migration. Yet you still stubbornly want to paint the SE as poor and later you will claim you are not biased...."

Your allegations are downright pathetic. So by clearly expressing a view founded on facts, you claim I am biased? So you want me to quarrel with the Yoruba and Edo, in a bid to please you? Didn't I say it earlier that your attitude is typical of the way your people behave, when others do not share their point of view?

You get rattled, lash out at them, call them uncomplimentary names, and accuse them of hating the Igbo. Why am I not surprised by your rants?

Am so happy you posted that link about onne port.

What does the article say?

Didnt you read where she said the investments in it would make it a major hub for market activities in the SE?

Are you not seeing that the FG is now trying to shift the balance from Apapa to the SS.
When was the article released? Was it not yesterday?

When were the to-do dates of the major reforms to be done on the port, is it not this year and even still ongoing.

So Onne getting a facelift and a revamp now means that it should have been as good and reliable as Apapa all this while.

Let the FG complete it, let Ibaka seaport and calabar seaports dredging and expansion be completed and see if the migratory patterns of the igbo wont follow the same route.

The article just buried your point. With your hand you have shown that the port was not operating on the level of Apapa due to FGs neglect and now the FG wants to correct that. the article is even a confirmation of all the links i sent earlier. As you said the links were outdated as they showed the as-is but your article shows the to-be.

If you are asking why am pained, i will tell you.

I am pained because i am clearly arguing with a tribal bigot who is trying to cloak it with calmness and sophistry.

Guy i have read your posts on other threads and i am 100% correct if i say that you hate igbos.

You talk about attitudes we show when we are shown facts but you forget to see that my attitude towards you is clearly justified owing to the fact that am an avid reader of NL politics section and i know the active posters and their viewpoints ranging from the hateful to the neutral.

There is no reason on earth why i should even be civil with you, am just doing it so others will read and debunk all the nonsense myths you guys continually push here.

LaudableXX:


Like I said earlier, it appears you are strongly averse to the truth. And you love jumping from pillar to post, citing unrelated examples as an excuse to digress from the topic, and twist the subject. How did this topic suddenly turn round to focus upon "the number of luxury ferraris and lamborghinis i have seen, i cant count the number of young comfortable millionaires under 40 in lagos or is it the corporate managerial class in lagos or the businessmen building wonderful structures across lagos...??" Who asked you? You like to major in the unimportant, and elevate irrational points into highly elevated works.

The reason why immigrants founded America, Australia etc are wide and multi-faceted. So by flinging them around on this thread, it shows you are just digressing in a bid to confuse the relevant issues.

Who is asking Igbos not to go to Port-harcourt, Calabar, Uyo, Warri, Benin, kano, kaduna?? Why are you just ranting out of context? Why are you so pained??

And sorry to disappoint you, Onne port is highly functional. Those articles you cited are totally outdated.



Finally you claimed: "You are clearly biased and you are desperately trying to paint igbo migration to lagos as a form of desperate refugee movement but you see nothing wrong with Yoruba, Edo and other tribes migration. Yet you still stubbornly want to paint the SE as poor and later you will claim you are not biased...."

Your allegations are downright pathetic. So by clearly expressing a view founded on facts, you claim I am biased? So you want me to quarrel with the Yoruba and Edo, in a bid to please you? Didn't I say it earlier that your attitude is typical of the way your people behave, when others do not share their point of view?

You get rattled, lash out at them, call them uncomplimentary names, and accuse them of hating the Igbo. Why am I not surprised by your rants?

Are you this dull or what ?

Cant you relate my statement on luxury cars to the fact that there is a thriving upper class in lagos that is highly prosperous. Or do you want me to count the luxury cars i have seen. For the fact that you cant even see the relationship btw that statement and prosperity in lagos just shows that you are thinking in a purely robotic manner.

Should i break this thing down for you into tiny bits? I really dont understand. If you are asking why i am pained, its because i have to deal with intellectually dishonest people like you who know exactly what am talking about but want to shove their half baked theories down others throat.
The summary of the luxury cars statement just shows that poverty can exist side by side in any city or political entity. A very simple concept which you refuse to accept now because it doesnt suit the desired goal you want to prove.

The migration to australia and usa was as a result of multi faceted reasons which even helps disprove your horrible logic that states that
" massive migration shouldnt occur with economic prosperity".

LaudableXX:



You know your problem? Even if the truth came and hit you right on the head, you would still refuse to acknowledge it. Instead of sticking to the topic, you digress and cite examples that are not related to the topic, or try to throw up analogies that are poorly linked to the subject.

There are several reasons why people from Kano, Rivers and Ogun migrate to a city like Lagos. But delving into those reasons, would derail this thread. You were the one who turned the thread into an 'Igbo migration vs Yoruba migration' issue, and sought strenuously to ascribe the reasons for such Yoruba migration to "federal presence, FCT status, infrastructure," theory, and responses were made to show you that was not the case, and the reasons for Yoruba migration were far more complex than that. I do not know why you want me to keep repeating myself.

Each group migrates from one region to another for a variety of reasons. Like I said earlier, the reasons for migration among the Yoruba people included education, social kinship networks, trade, marital ties, etc. Don't forget that the old Western regional government, offered free education at almost all levels, during the 50s and 60s. Many parents sent their wards from rural areas to commercial towns, to acquire an education.

You are good at ascribing wrong insinuations and motives to others, which they have not expressed. Now you are claiming that I am 'surprised, that people from a region would migrate to lagos when other regions are also doing it?' Chai! I have never expressed surprise that people migrate, afterall migration has been going on for centuries. My only surprise were the reasons you gave, as being responsible for the migration of different groups to Lagos. You initially went all out to ascribe migration by both Yoruba and Igbo groups, to the same reasons! And that was an error! Now, do I have to break this down into monosyllables, in order for you to understand it?

If you want to hold a debate whether economic prosperity and economic viability can co-exist with poverty and unemployment, please open your own thread and debate it over there.... Splitting hairs over an issue, may be your forte but it is a vocation that bores me.

Am sorry to say but you are clearly a liar. And you know what pathological liars do? They pin it others and even start believing their lies.

You asked a question about why people migrate out of the east to lagos and i simply tried to show you that the answer is not far from you.

You kept on bringing old stereotypes that have been over flogged on NL of how igbos just rush to lagos with no means of survival and tried to simplify the reason for that. For you igbo migration is as a result of lack of economic prosperity and viability in the SE but migration from kano, edo and ogun state is more complex i guess.


If i call you biased you will say am making an assumption.

So you realize there are several reasons why people from Kano and Rivers migrate to lagos and you dont want to attribute it to lack in their own case but for igbos it must be lack and poverty in the SE. Because your initial question of why igbos migrate when there is prosperity in the SE makes the assumption that if prosperity exists somewhere then outward migration to areas of more prosperity shouldnt exist.



I have used examples of chinese and indian migration to show that you cant paint a whole place black because there is actually a better place but you are still adamant and you even call it a poorly linked analogy. I gave you examples of people being unemployed in lagos and even seeking greener pastures abroad as proof that even when there is prosperity somewhere it still cant get to every single person but you are still purposely ignoring it and calling it a poorly linked analogy. Something that doesnt take a five year old 5 minutes to understand and correlate.

I have tried to be civil with you but you are no different from the other uncouth afonjas on this thread and on NL who go about yapping IPOB yoots and Igbos and yeasterners, you just try to be more civil and calm but i see the stubborness behind all that and most importantly i see that your ideology and political view of the igbos is as crass, parochial, hateful, myopic and tribalistic as any other anti-igbo person on NL.

For petes sake, i have read your posts on various threads and your single agenda on NL seems to be to paint igbos and all their experiences in a negative light. Why am i even bothering with you as if i can reach a conclusion.

You even ignored the links i sent to you to show why apapa is more active than Onne and calabar port. Why wont you ignore it when its sweeter to believe that igbos are purposely ignoring sth in their backyard and being architects of their own misfortune. If you had read those links then there would be no need to even argue about why lagos should always receive more migration from the federation as a whole

You love your lies and your belief and you hold it dear to you so please keep it close to your heart cause am not even trying to make you see your error again, when lies have built ones sense of identity and self righteousness then they may serve a purpose in that persons life, a purpose which i wont want to thwart.


Well done.

LaudableXX:


Nobody is forcing his preconceived beliefs on you, as a fact. You are the one doing so, by trying to wave away salient points that have been made, and pushing one narrative across as the sole perspective that everyone should accept.



Lagosians troop out of Lagos to USA and Canada, for a host of reasons. It would be wrong to ascribe just one factor, to the purpose for their migration. Meanwhile, that is what you have been doing - by pushing forward your sole "federal presence, FCT status, better infrastructure, seaport etc," theory. There are huge reasons for high unemployment rate within the country, and not just Lagos. Delving into those reasons, would derail this thread.

And as far as one-sided perspectives are concerned, you have an honorary degree in that aspect, sir. I leave the floor to you. You cannot know my view of the Southeast, as I have never used the words "barren empty land" to describe your region. So why are you trying to spin a false narrative about my view of the SE?

As for the bolded, i never said it just one factor that caused international migration. I know so many people that migrated for so many reasons other than economic prosperity. But i also know so many more that wanted to migrate for better job opportunities and a higher standard of living. Does the fact that they migrated from lagos undermine the prosperity of the town?

LaudableXX:


Nobody is forcing his preconceived beliefs on you, as a fact. You are the one doing so, by trying to wave away salient points that have been made, and pushing one narrative across as the sole perspective that everyone should accept.



Lagosians troop out of Lagos to USA and Canada, for a host of reasons. It would be wrong to ascribe just one factor, to the purpose for their migration. Meanwhile, that is what you have been doing - by pushing forward your sole "federal presence, FCT status, better infrastructure, seaport etc," theory. There are huge reasons for high unemployment rate within the country, and not just Lagos. Delving into those reasons, would derail this thread.

And as far as one-sided perspectives are concerned, you have an honorary degree in that aspect, sir. I leave the floor to you. You cannot know my view of the Southeast, as I have never used the words "barren empty land" to describe your region. So why are you trying to spin a false narrative about my view of the SE?

As for the bolded, you are the one with the pure one sided perspective.

If your perspective wasnt one sided, why are you surprised that people from a region would migrate to lagos when other regions are also doing it. Why do people from rich states like Rivers, kano and even ogun state migrate to lagos? Does their migration undermine prosperity existent in their state or does it just simply show that the opportunities are not sufficient for them.

Is it english that is the problem here?

Lets do basic semantics here

If i state that economic prosperity and economic viability exists somewhere does it also equally mean that poverty and unemployment cant exist there?

LaudableXX:


My stance? And what is my stance? Is it because I have chosen to set the records straight, each time your people decide to make sweeping generalisations or try to distort the truth? Please go back and do a content analysis of all my posts on NL. And you would see that your claims are unfounded.

Prosperity in Enugu, Onitsha, Nnewi etc has not stopped your folks from migrating to Lagos, and the sad thing is that most of the migrants are not solely businessmen seeking to expand their businesses, or acquire new merchandise. The businessmen are much fewer than the youths. Many of the youths are those who feel there is no opportunity within their region and are trying to escape a life of poverty.

For the bolded, i can say the same for the youths from kano, edo, ondo and every state that has immigrants to lagos.

Does that mean that prosperity or economic viability doesnt exist in those states?

LaudableXX:


You ascribed everybody's migration to Lagos, (including both Yoruba & Igbo) as due to federal presence & infrastructure, present in that city. Go back and check through, all your posts. You even said that was the reason why Yorubas also migrated to Lagos. I had to respond, to let you know that the reasons for Yoruba migration were different.

You still find it hard to understand that a host of other reasons mentioned earlier, which predate the colonial period, have influenced patterns of migration among Yoruba people, till date. You keep harping on 'federal presence, seaports, FCT status, infrastructure etc', like a parrot, refusing to recognise that these factors account for a minimal influence, on Yorubas migration pattern. If you cannot free your mind, how can I help you to see the truth?

From the colonial period till now, other types of infrastructure have been developed in many cities across Nigeria. Akwa Ibom now boasts of world class stadiums and entertainment centres, even better than Lagos. Yet your people still flock to Lagos daily, 27 years after it stopped being a federal capital.

Onne sea port covers an area of 2,538.115 hectares and has one of the biggest harbour mobile cranes in Africa (Liebherr 600), in addition to accounting for over 65% of export cargo through Nigerian sea ports, yet your people still flock to Lagos daily, 27 years after it stopped being a federal capital.

Port Harcourt International airport is the third largest airport in Nigeria, located in Omagwa in Port Harcourt, and it handled just over 1.2 million passengers in 2009, yet your people still flock to Lagos daily, 27 years after it stopped being a federal capital. We understand that Lagos is a magnet for your brethren....

Oga i dont have strength for this back and forth. Read my posts again and see if i ever singled out federal presence as the only reason for migration to lagos or the major reason. There is a difference between only and major.

Oga, go to Onne and you will see tons of igbos there.

You claim to have interacted with so many people but i seriously doubt.

Go to port harcourt and see the large population of igbos there.

Igbos were in akwa ibom trading way even before Akpabios transformation so is it now that there wont be igbos there.

All the states you mentioned have large populations of igbos but not as much as lagos because of technical issues.

Please read the links below and see if Onne port and calabar port can handle the traffic that lagos ports handle and whose fault that is. Is it the igbo traders that should build the ports?

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/09/eastern-ports-lying-fallow/

https://www.nairaland.com/2651102/why-rivers-state-sea-port/2

http://shipsandports.com.ng/calabar-port-not-functioning-sited-wrong-place-suleiman/

The way you said my people still flocked to lagos daily, please is there a problem with that.

If there are opportunities for business and corporate jobs in lagos, shouldnt igbos go there?

If there are opportunities for retail and agriculture in the north, shouldnt igbos be there?

If there are opportunities all around the country, there is nothing that should stop people from taking it, after all its their country

There are numerous billionaires in nigeria that are still taking advantages of new industries, is that a crime?

That Dangote has diversified into the petrochemical industry, does it mean that the cement industry wasnt prosperous?

You are just blabbing and making no sense, i have given you examples and shown you that their is prosperity in the east but it can never be enough just like you still have massive poverty in lagos does it mean there is no prosperity in lagos.

You are clearly biased and you are desperately trying to paint igbo migration to lagos as a form of desperate refugee movement but you see nothing wrong with Yoruba, Edo and other tribes migration.

You are even talking about infrastructure in other places and am telling you that based on the migratory aspect of human behaviour, Igbos have behaved predictably by taking all opportunities both home and abroad. Even where there is no infrastructure, igbos go to trade and make a good living for themselves in unsaturated markets then you are now surprised that they move to lagos.

Go to Abuja, Port harcourt, Calabar, Uyo, Warri, Benin, kano, kaduna and every nigerian town and see if you wont see igbo business men there. From an international perspective, go to every continent and see if you wont see the chinese doing business there, does it mean that their country is poor.

When Great britain wa the biggest and richest empire in the world, britons still migrated and formed many new world countries like canada,usa,australia and the likes, did that change the fact that britain was a world power then.

How does migration undermine prosperity?

I gave you an example that you dont want to factor in. I gave an example of how lagosians migrate in droves to various countries, does their migration undermine the amount of prosperity in lagos.

Only in VI,lagos, i cant count the number of luxury ferraris and lamborghinis i have seen, i cant count the number of young comfortable millionaires under 40 in lagos or is it the corporate managerial class in lagos or the businessmen building wonderful structures across lagos. All the forms of prosperity in lagos cannot remove the fact of poverty in the city and no matter how widespread opportunities are in lagos, lagosians are still leaving the country just for the simple fact that opportunities in an undeveloped country like nigeria cannot go round adequately to every ambitious youth.

Yet you still stubbornly want to paint the SE as poor and later you will claim you are not biased.

And you are talking of freeing my mind, i gave you a more robust explanation in an article on lagos migration patterns. if you had read it you still wont be stubbornly persisting. The article clearly factors precolonial migration and other forms of migration from trade amongst yorubas and even coastal and fishing activity but the article also clearly explained the importance of the federal presence and corporate presence in lagos and how it affected immigration from all corners of the country and you still want to be blind to it.
http://www.republic.com.ng/junejuly-2017/capitalism-central/

Let me ask you, has migration from other SW states to lagos stopped since Abuja was made capital? If the answer is no, please why is there a problem if igbo migration to lagos doesnt stop.

LaudableXX:


How did I reach that conclusion? From interacting with various ethnic groups, in different parts of Nigeria, and living among various communities in diverse sections of the country. In southern Nigeria, where did the issue of crackdown against Igbos arise, except after the military coup, prior to the civil war and during the civil war? I do not want to digress like you are fond of doing, but this attempt to pain Igbos as saints, and every other ethnic group as sinners, isn't going to work.

You have just played the victim card like your people are fond of doing. By making reference to social media, you forgot to note that anyone can do a content analysis of posts made on social media to see where the trading of insults began. If you have the time (which unfortunately I do not), you are free to scroll through all the posts and threads on Nairaland, to see where the exchange of insults began. Your people are often the agent provocateurs and when others give them a taste of their own medicine, they start wailing....

Just because I have stated the facts, you are now claiming I am anti-Igbo? Really? Why am I not surprised? Anyone who does not share the perspective of your group, is either labelled an Afonja, or tagged as anti-Igbo or regarded as Igbophobic. Typical!

Oga stop pretending, I have read your posts on other threads and i know your stance towards igbos.

There is no victim card here, somethings are just facts that have to be stated.

If you claim you have lived amongst various nigerian communities, why would you wonder if there is prosperity or economic viability in the SE. Based on the questions you asked and your posts am sure you are of the opinion that there is no prosperity in Enugu or Onitsha.

I dont have a problem with your stance, but its better we clarify it so we dont waste our time going on in circles.

Man sees what he wants to see

Can we peacefully end the argument and close the thread as it has no purpose again.

LaudableXX:


Nobody denies that wholesale businesses do not exist in the Southeast. In fact, if you dig deep, you would discover that quite a number of those businesses, were started from Lagos or the southwestern region by your Igbo people, before they chose to expand into the Southeast. Emzor Pharmaceuticals is one. Genesis Deluxe Cinemas & Hotels is another, just like Nestoil etc. But the reasons for many of your people's exodus into Lagos, is hardly to expand existing businesses in the Southeast. Try and be truthful for once.

Many of the youths who disembark from luxurious buses as they migrate daily into Lagos and other Southwestern commercial towns lack jobs, or even businesses. Some even lack accommodation. They simply see Lagos as an El Dorado, where they think their fortunes will be made, once they alight at the motorparks. Their exodus into Lagos has been well-documented over the years.

The proportion of Igbo businessmen who come to Lagos to expand their business, are much fewer than the proportion of unemployed Igbo youths, who stream into Lagos trying to get a hustle to improve their fortunes. Too many of them will tell you, that there is nothing for them in the Southeast. And if they don't come to Lagos, they cannot make progress.

You are talking about wholesale businesses starting in lagos and moving to the east. While i am telling you that there are situations where the opposite is the case. There are many spare parts dealerships that started in the east and was utilizing lagos as the port and eventually they spread to lagos.

You clearly dont know anything about the east thats why you make such claims.

You cant be urging me to be truthful when you are trying to force your preconceived belief as fact. You are not part of the igbo social or cultural circle so you clearly dont know how things operate. Are there not major markets in the east? Where do they import from please?

Am not arguing about the fact that many igbos come into lagos from the east with nothing or even proper accomodation. I am only debating the fact that you think that is a sign of extreme poverty over there but you dont see it as a sign of extreme poverty when one migrates from Akure or benin.

And as you claimed you interviewed some that claimed without lagos there is no progress, i will tell you as you told me earlier when i metioned people migrating from Ibadan "Do not generalize". Or are you a reporter who goes to GIGM park everyday to interview all the people alighting from the east to know the reasons why they came.

Your claim or question earlier was this ; " If the SE is prosperous and economically viable, why do Igbos troop to other parts of the country including the SW"

Well let me use an example to buttress my point ; " If India was economically buoyant and prosperous, why do indians troop to the western world everyday?" I can also ask the same for China

I explained to you earlier but you purposely glossed over the facts, i repeat again " There is prosperity and economic viability in the SE but the equivalent in lagos surpasses it"

To use your logic: "If lagos claims to have one of the highest GDPs in africa and claims to be buoyant and very prosperous, why are lagosians trooping out everyday to the USA and Canada claiming there is nothing for them in Lagos? Why is there a high unemployment rate in lagos?"

If there are so many unemployed people in lagos and so many poor people, does it negate the fact that lagos is actually a land of great business prosperity? Wont it be foolish for people to look at reality from a one sided perspective?

The view you guys have of the SE is very skewed. You guys think that the SE is just a barren empty land aany thing going on there is as a result of people who bring money made from outside the SE.

Let me summarize once more; There are so many businesses that are thriving in the SE, so may opportunities, so much prosperity but like every other nigerian state including lagos, it cant be enough for all. People in the oil producing towns still look for greener pasture elsewhere, people in lagos still migrate out of nigeria(since lagos almost offers the best opportunities in nigeria).

Is this seriously hard to grasp?

Why dont you assume that all the immigrants from Kano are in lagos because there are no opportunities and prosperity in kano.

LaudableXX:


For your Igbo people, the fact that Lagos was an FCT with infrastructure, was the main reason they migrated to Lagos, according to you. But for the Yoruba people, the FCT status of Lagos and its infrastructure was NOT the sole reason they migrated to Lagos. In fact, it was quite minimal. Migration patterns among the Yorubas predated federal status, and had to do with trade, social kinships, education, community relationships, marital ties etc, right from pre-colonial times. There are studies and evidence that support this fact. You are free to continue clutching at straws, by ascribing everybody's movt to federal presence which ended in Lagos, over 27 years ago....

When did i ascribe everybodys migration as a result of federal presence?

Go back and reread my post, i admitted other factors of migration and also included the federal effect. WHy is that hard to understand?

And if you say the FCT status ended 27 years ago, sorry but the effects dont end that easily. Families had been groomed already in the town and they got accustomed to the lifestyle of the town. Even if the progenitors of these families could have migrated to the new FCT as a result of work directives, nothing assures you that the mature children of such families will followsuit.

Even if Abuja is no longer the FCT, there are people that will never leave, the population wont automatically go down.

And lagos was more than just an FCT. It had and still has our biggest and most functional sea port and airport, it was home to tons of foreign businesses that were eventually nationalized. It has built a vibrant entertainment sector and even boasts good sport facilities and many other things that ensure continous economic activity. So why would the population dwindle.

LaudableXX:


Violent altercation, is not the same as trading insults. Your people are known for dishing out insults, derogatory epithets and uncomplimentary remarks, about the indigenes of the lands they settle in. Their defamatory remarks insult the sensibilities of their hosts, and this is a well known fact. Out of the over 250 ethnic groups in Nigeria, the Igbos are well known for doing this. The only thing is that while the Yoruba or Edo respond to your people's nasty remarks with similar putdowns, the Hausas, Fulanis etc would rather respond with their fists and daggers. The Igbos insult other ethnic groups, but when those groups react or retaliate, they cry blue murder. Don't try to switch the truth.

I gave you an example of 3 yorubas i knew that moved from Ibadan and you asked how i can generalize from 3 people.

Please i want to ask as per the bolded, how did you reach that conclusion?

You want to use NL as an example, should we start trying to dig up facts to prove which tribe started insulting each other here or on other social media platforms.

Am sorry man, i cant take your bold baseless assertion as truth, its just purely subjective.

Let me tell you something about the hausa fulanis that you dont seem to know.

Hausas migrate to places and forget their ancestry, they give birth to multiple kids that eventually dont bother about their prior state of origin and its only a matter of time before they start clashing with locals over issues like religion and other petty skirmishes. These things blow out into full scale crises.

It has happened in Plateau, Kaduna, Kano, Niger etc. They also insult their hosts and call them ARNE and infidels and all sorts.

If you ask me where the proof of the pudding is, i will simply list all the religious and ethnic crisis that happened in the north and middle belt that involved hausas against indigenous people.

But for your claim about the igbos, your greatest proof would be social media of which we cant properly trace who started dishing out insults there.

You said the yorubas and edos just respond with similar put downs, what about the IJAWS, Ikwerres, Efik, Ibibios, Urhobos, Angas, Berom and every tribe we live amongst, do they also have the yoruba-edo habit of using similar putdowns? So in all the decades of living with southern tribes after the war, there has been no case of a violent crackdown against the igbos from these tribes and you want me to take your claims seriously.

You are the person trying to switch the truth because you already have a preconceived notion which is clearly anti-igbo. You try to spin all your so called facts and even minimize glaring ones to reach your desired conclusion.

LaudableXX:


Hello, again you have tried to twist the facts to fit your flawed perspective when it comes to the Yorubas. Just because you know 3 Yoruba people who migrated to Lagos in search of better opportunities because it was a federal capital, does not mean that a majority of Yorubas did so for the same reason.

My aim of citing the article was to show you that intra-ethnic trade existed among the Yoruba sub-groups, right from time immemorial. And the content and research carried out in that article is still relevant till today. Yorubas did not migrate to Lagos or any busy city within the sub-region, simply because of 'federal presence or infrastructures, of former FCT status' like the Igbos did. Their reasons for migration were far more complex than that, and it began centuries before Lagos became a federal capital, and it is still continuing till date, for the same reasons! How is that so difficult to understand? If you are splitting hairs just because I did not cite an article showing how Yorubas migrated to Ibadan, for the purpose of education, don't worry, there are several examples on the internet. Just Google it. Or do you expect me to spoon-feed you with info, every step of the way?

With regards to Ibadan, I am still talking about what happens within that city, in the present dispensation. In fact Ogun state and Ibadan have far more new industries opening up within their territories, than Lagos does. So should those areas offer more 'opportunities' for their fellow Yoruba counterparts? With a population of over 3 million, Ibadan is the third most populous city in Nigeria after Lagos and Kano; it is also the country's largest city by geographical area.

At the time of Nigeria's independence in 1960, Ibadan was the largest and most populous city in the country, and the second most populous in Africa, after Cairo. Ibadan was the centre of administration of the old Western Region, since the days of the British colonial rule. The principal inhabitants of the city were (and are still) the Yorubas, as well as various communities from other parts of the country.

So the subject under discussion is NOT about the infrastructure in Lagos. The subject is the reasons why non-Lagosian Yorubas migrated - i.e. non-Lagosian Yorubas migrated to Lagos and other large towns in the Southwestern region, for the purposes of trade, social kinships, education, marital ties etc, and not solely because of the infrastructure in Lagos. And that migration started from pre-colonial times and has gone on till today.

Port-harcourt also has infrastructure, an international airport and seaports. If presence of infrastructure was the sole reason for migration, why aren't there more Yorubas in Port-harcourt, than in Ibadan?

Making claims doesnt make them true.

I know 3 yorubas from ibadan, thats right

I know more than 50 that didnt grow up in lagos but came after tertiary education to land a job. Is there anything strange there.

Could this be another source of argument? Do you want to honestly deny that a sizeable chunk of yorubas in lagos are there because of corporate and business opportunities as a result of FGs investment?

If you are arguing whether a majority of yorubas did so for the same reason, then please kindly explain why Oshogbo doesnt have the same yoruba population strength as lagos or even Ado-Ekiti. From your logic, they were all trading together and migrating together, so why did most settle in lagos?

Kindly read the article here and see the summarized history of migration into lagos

http://www.republic.com.ng/junejuly-2017/capitalism-central/

I never denied the fact that there were indigenous people in lagos or the fact there were migration waves into lagos even before independence, i only explained that the unusual population ratio is as a result of greater opportunities due to federal presence.

Go to abuja and see how many yorubas are there. Why are there more yorubas in abuja than in makurdi, why are there more yorubas in kano and kaduna than in kebbi. Are you trying to re explain human migrational behaviour.

Think of a state being the FCT, then think of over 250 parastatals and MDAs within that state, think of all the foreign companies that choose to do business there, think of all the shipping companies in the state. Then honestly tell me that employment opportunities in lagos hasnt been greater than other SW states.

I dont know why you are trying to minimize the federal effect on lagos. If lagos has a population of over 10 million yorubas, please how can you tell me that you cant see the elephant in the room.

I dont think there is any disagreement here between us on this issue, you cite other factors that caused migration which i accepted but dont minimize the effect of the federal govt.

Strikethem:
No, post more. Yoruba insult igbo at every turn, where is the statistics to that. This one too has started their normal victim cry after he has been defeated. Victim criers.

You are a nonentity my friend.

You were waiting for your brother to come and give a lengthy rebuttal of my points, something you are intellectually incapable of.

Well i also responded to his rebuttal but reading is your problem, you have your ewedu mind set in stone. I cant help you with that.

You are asking for proof that yorubas insult igbos online and offline. Continue waiting for proof the way you were waiting for my grammatical correction.

Stupid useless dirty afonja.

I hope sey the OWAMBE don start for your side

IDIOT

As for your claim about igbos boasting about how prosperous their region is, you dont insult someone and dont expect the person to respond.

The feud between igbos and yorubas has gone on way before the lagos issue came up. You claim that we insult the sensibilities of our host. I just laugh.

In all the places we live in Nigeria, the only places we have gone into any violent altercation with the natives has been in the north and in those cases(plateau, kaduna) we were actually fighting on the side of the true locals against intolerant invaders. We have fought alongside the berom against the fulani in jos, all religious crisis that have ever gone on in kaduna, we have also fought alongside the natives against invaders.

As for every other place, tell me where we have ever invaded or forcefully taken anything that didnt belong to us.

The hausas have created strife every single place they have lived in from Ile-Ife down to Sagamu and even the core north. Yet you claim hausas go about without boasting about their region. Well they dont have to boast since they will turn yours into theirs.

Yorubas insult igbos at every turn then get surprised when we retaliate. Then they start demanding respect from the igbos, even those that arent indigenous to lagos will start demanding it.

Well this is my last post on this thread.

LaudableXX:




I talked about buying and selling, because you had made an allusion to it in one of your previous posts. You chaps are quick to claim that those who do not leave their region to migrate elsewhere in pursuit of business, are lazy. My reference to trade, was to point out the fact that non-migration is not a sign of laziness, like you people claim. Those who provide solutions within their enclave and get paid for it, do not need to move from place to place in order to make a living.



My post was NOT about Facebook or Zuckerberg. For your information, Facebook was started in 2004 by Mark Zuckerberg, Eduardo Saverin, Andrew McCollum, Dustin Moskovitz, and Chris Hughes in the USA. They did not set up physical presence in other countries, until they had become quite successful in the West. In fact, Facebook's first African office was set up in Johannesburg in 2015, more than 11 years after the social media platform became successful. Facebook's success was not dependent on the founders migrating physically from America to set up a building or shop in another country. Ironically, they only moved into other countries, after they had become quite successful within those new territories, and seen the numbers of users emanating from there. At this present moment, Facebook does NOT have an office in Nigeria, but it has had thousands of users on its platform for years, who live within Nigeria. Yes or No? In fact, over 11 million Nigerians are on Facebook, as at 2013 forming one of Facebook's largest user base in sub-saharan Africa.

Not all tech giants need to migrate across borders physically, in order to gain new markets or become successful. Thanks to the internet.

Now, I did not tell any Nigerian not to move about in his own country. Where exactly did I do that? I merely sought to know the reason why your people move into other parts of the country, if your own region is so prosperous, economically viable and so full of potential. There is a difference between seeking to know the purpose or cause of an event, and asking people to stop carrying out such an event. So please do not tell lies. You are an adult, and you should not be found spinning webs of falsehood.



Lagos was NOT Nigeria's first capital. I have clearly shown you the other places that served as the nation's first capital. Calabar was the nation's first capital before Lagos. And even in Lagos, the federal capital was restricted to Lagos Island, Apapa and a few other areas. Yaba, Ikeja, Maryland, Palmgrove, Ogudu Ilupeju were parts of old Western region.

Now whatever position, your Southeastern people decide to put themselves in, is really not the topic under discussion. A lot of other ethnic groups migrate across Nigeria for various purposes. I even think the Northerners are the greatest migrants in Nigeria.

Coming to your claim about migration. Let me state some facts for you in case you never knew. There are wholesale businesses ran by the igbos in lagos are extensions of the ones in the East. There are people that have a loyal market in the east but import through lagos and after years of success there eventually extend to lagos to set up shop. There are quite a number of businesses like that. In extending to lagos, they still need the services of their subordinates in the east, so some of the business migrants you see in lagos are coming to extend already existing businesses.

As for my region being prosperous, yes it is prosperous but lagos has more opportunities and is more prosperous, thats is not sth to hide. I can say the same thing for any other region or state. And if you are claiming that you are not telling anybody to stay in his region and not migrate, why are you surprised that somebody who prospers in the east is migrating to lagos.

Which type of logic is that, for the fact that you have free rights of movement, why wont you take risks and expand. People are not leaving the east because they are suffering there, no, quite far from it, they are leaving because they love the adventure, love to take risks and there is always more to be made. Simple.

If people migrate from akure to lagos this year, is it because akure has turned into an IDP or because they can make more in lagos. Does it automatically mean that akure is not viable or economically prosperous because more people seek greener pasture in lagos.

For your claim about buying and selling, i gave an example of manufacturers in Aba and nnewi that dont have to leave there. You just ignored it and assumed everybody in the east is into retail business. The manufacturers are ok there doing their type of business and the distributors of those products are the ones that have to move around. Igbos are involved in all forms of businesses in the east and not all of them involve migration but i guess you see what you want to see.

I will say it for you to hear " My region is prosperous, economically viable and full of wealth but Lagos state is even more economically viable and prosperous than my region and every other state in nigeria including the SW states and fortunately lagos is in my country and i alongside millions of igbos can move there". If you think because someones state is a stone throw away from lagos then he has a right to migrate there and question people who come from afar as if they are refugees, why doesnt that SW immigrant stay back home in his town and LGA.

The question about why igbos travel to lagos when the east is prosperous can also be answered by any yoruba person or even nigerian who lives in lagos and is not from the SW

In all these you are not considering the fact that one of the largest markets in west africa is onitsha main market, you are not considering that nnewi as a town is one of the only indigenous manufacturing towns in the country. Am sure you have seen articles on all that.

LaudableXX:


No sir, you are the one that still keeps trying to deviate from the topic by clutching at straws. I guess it is due to your poor understanding of the subject. You claim that Yorubas migrated in droves to Lagos in the '60s, yet you are attributing it solely to the fact that it was because Lagos was a former FCT. That is a sweeping generalisation. First, the proportion of Yorubas who migrated in the '60s, actually migrated to Ibadan, and not Lagos, due to the pursuit of higher education. Don't forget that the oldest university in Nigeria was first opened in Ibadan, in 1948.

Let me respond to this one. I didnt deny the existence of indigenous people in Lagos. I am also a student of history and i know the Aworis and Eguns had been in lagos ever since. But you if you are a student of history, you will also know that the most populous town in the SW in the last 200 years wasnt lagos, there were bubbling towns like Oyo Ile(capital of the old OYO empire), Ijebu etc. No one is also denying the fact that indigenous yorubas traded amongst themselves, even northerners did that nd had cities like Kano, Zazzau, Daura etc. But imagine stating that the overwhelming northern population in Abuja for example is still as a result of centuries old trade instead of citing federal example.

I am not minimizing the impact of trade in lagos settlements, but do you want to tell me that those who settled in lagos in the 60s from the SW hinterlands are responsible for all the yoruba population of lagos? Were there not later migrations in the following decades? Can you deny the fact that lagos is the most developed SW state when it comes to infrastructure and that is as a result of its former FCT status.
I dont see how you can deny that fact. If it was left for normal trade between yorubas without lagos being the FCT then lagos wont harbor this population. The fact is that what you guys seek for in lagos, every other person nation wide seeks for the same thing which is more opportunities.

Let me say something and you can quote me " Lagos is more developed than any city in nigeria and provides much more opportunities than any geopolitical zone". This is as a result of the failure of the nigerian FG to industrialize and tap into all the potentials of the regions and states. Why are you surprised that people are migrating within their country to the place with the best opportunities. This doesnt mean there is abject poverty everywhere, or that every other state is an IDP. You guys always make it look as if igbos moving to lagos or other states is as a result of abject poverty or war in the SE but the state of the nation. I asked that question about lagos to point to the fact that Swners are no strangers to seeking greener pastures.

LaudableXX:



The population of Yoruba folks who came to Lagos, was far less than those who went to Ibadan for business or education, and to cement family ties. Many indigenous Lagosians are not so bothered by their Yoruba kith and kin coming from other parts of the Southwest to join them in Lagos, they are only bothered about getting their due respect from all and sundry.

At the bolded above, you picked up an old article about yoruba migration and you are still telling me that the population of yorubas going to ibadan is more. I hope you are not referring to the present. I know up to 3 yorubas that moved from Ibadan to lagos for better opportunities. And am very sure hundreds of thousands of them troop to lagos for better opportunities. All ofthem i interact with ccomplain abt traffic in the town and how Ibadan is more peaceful, the same things many nigerians complain about. But they have no choice, if they want to work in many corporate firms and be exposed to better opportunities then lagos is the place to come to. The same for those in Ilorin, Ado-Ekiti, osogbo and the likes. Most yorubas i know here were not even born in lagos, they came to seek greener pasture the same way Emeka did, the same way Nosa did and even the same way Musa did.

Many more are still looking for more opportunities here because it clearly provides more. So i find it strange that someone that migrates from a 150km distance to lagos feels he has the audacity to ask someone that migrated from 600km to lagos why he/she came when the person asking didnt sit back home. The yorubas in the SW are doing what the igbos are doing in terms of migration to lagos and other big cities.

So i dont know how your write up about people migrating more to Ibadan for schooling is relevant in this 2018 when lagos provides educational opportunities and also business, entertainment opportunities.

Strikethem:
Oga prof, this epistle holds no ground. We your loyal students are patiently waiting for your correction. Don't disgrace your professorship.

Me correct you, continue waiting.

Do you want to reach the conclusion that i dont know the answer? Please reach the conclusion and laugh with your low life AFONJAs

But i will never correct an animal like you. Come and force correction from me. You just know how to be posting pics up and down, settle down and understand semantics you wont, read and understand logic, you won't read.

Any reasonable person that reads all our posts on this thread will definitely know who is better read and understands english more. As for correction go and ask your useless suffersticated afonja brethren.

Shameless he-goat

If you like, dont prepare for your weekend OWAMBE, continue waiting for correction.

ANIMAL

Cooly100:


Smashing...when all you do is to talk out of point...You are utterly childish...

You talked about erosion region, we posted pics, so you can compare...the two regions. You lost.

You talked about dirty...we posted statement from UN and other agencies...You lost.

You talked about cannibals...we posted pic of your 21st century images with maximum cruelty...You lost.

Now, ogbeni, could you explain how you have smashed any heads...?

Dont mind the idiots quoting themselves. It sucks to be them. It really sucks.

Strikethem:
Prof, no change goal post na. Correct your students, we are waiting. E pain the imp.

This guy has no shame.

So you think in my life i will correct you.

Stupidity just like madness is felt mostly by the well wishers of the victim. You dont even feel embarrassed for posting 3 grammatical errors and you are posting meme pictures.

AFONJA get shame small.

AFONJA get sense small

It will help your life

See them

Lazy jobless AFONJA illiterates jumping around and quoting themselves to feel special.

Una no get argument again.

The other idiot was commenting on a grammatical error with grammatical errors and also telling me to show him the correction with grammatical errors.

Please go and drink shekpe this night and prepare for your usual lazy weekend.

Cowardly, useless, dirty, bastard children of oduduwa

Strikethem:
You are just disgracing yourself. You think you know, the correct him. Else, you are just disgracing yourself. Okay, let's agree it's wrong, now do the correction. We ate waiting professor

With this bolded, you just proved you are an idiot. A first class AFONJA idiot.

You think i will waste my time and correct you. Take it that i dont know the correction, thats your own goddamn business.

I should help your life and correct you.

Go and ask your suffersticated AFONJA father that voted Buhari in this last election.

Useless animal

Killimadu1:


Its afternoon here, Its fun smashing all these flat heads. Nedu is angry and crying everywhere, the shameless mofo is even denying his name. Lmaooooo

In your mind you think you are smashing us.

The thread has so derailed. You people should have proved how you are indigenes of lagos first. You cant prove it then you are now bringing up stale topics which only show how useless you guys are.

AFONJA you no get shame.