Follygunners:


Firstly... Boko-Haram is a national issue that needs to be dealt with as a nation NOT tribally or individually. It has nothing whatsoever to do with some unruly, savagery behaviors from SE folks.

You're very right! It's very myopic to be stereotypical and I'm not against whatever agitation from the SE. My problem is the chaos they create at their host come to the SW to create, Simple! You don't go to other pple's region and misbehave. They need to be grateful for the accommodation from the SW. Nobody goes to the SE with such attitude as, they're NEVER accommodating.

The 'Developer' name tag is more of a banter as they're delusional with their claims to develop the whole of Nigeria other than their own place. what an awkward ideology?

Please if you claim to be exposed and live in a cosmopolitan place like Minnesota, can you explain how Tunji is accomodating Emeka in his own country.

You guys really contradict yourselves, you have seen the advanced world and the ideologies behind progress and you suddenly turn into a village man when you think of your SW. Please according to modern standards, how are Igbos being disrespectful to people who accomodate them? And how do those people accomodate them?

If you are Yoruba and you are living in Lagos, please can you explain how the actions of millions of igbos is actually disrespectful to the cultural heritage of the SW. Has any cultural festival been stopped by Igbo youths? Has any monarch from Lagos been publicly insulted by Igbos?Has any public holiday or directive by the LASG been blatantly disregarded by any group of Igbos?How does the actions of the millions of igbos in lagos prevent just one yoruba man from living his life peacefully?

Fulani herdsmen sack villages, desecrate monuments, rape the elderly, slaughter the young and do all unimaginables. That my friend is disrespect to a community.

I still dont know how some one based in US can see the actions of Igbos as a whole in Lagos as being actually obstructive to the progress or growth of any Yoruba man. You insult them daily by calling them greedy, uncouth and when they retaliate you now want to switch standards. If an igbo man is insulted in his country, he shouldnt respond?

Coming to my other question,

Please explain how yorubas in lagos accomodated Igbos. Ok let me guess, by not lynching them and burning their shops and purposely segregating or discriminating them. How can an exposed person claim that being accomodating actually means "not being very hostile".

Ok you were not hostile to them when they came, did that determine what they could and would eventually do with their opportunities in Lagos? How can you claim to live in the advanced world and you actually think not being hostile is the equivalent to being accomodating?
And me saying yorubas are not hostile to Igbos is just my own view point, all the traders in major markets in lagos constantly face irregular taxation and bottlenecks by the Agberos.

Your thought process is like me telling a lady that packed into my neigborhood that i am actually accomodating her, and she asks how, then i eventually tell her that " i could have drugged, raped and molested you but i chose not to". In your thought process thats the equivalent of being accomodating. And in reality, the lady could have experienced those things elsewhere and the perpetrators could be tagged criminals but dont expect praise because you dont act like a criminal.

The annoying thing abt it is that the yorubas that tell you this are still migrants to Lagos, or are they from Ekiti and Lagos at the same ti

resurgentxtian4:


They can save millions of Christians if their secession plan works as the Muslim north will be forced to halt their violent march down south. But now with the confusion in the camp of the igbos as it pertains to the Biafra plan, all hope seems to be lost and millions of Christians have to choice but to escape Nigeria.

I hope I have enlightened you a little bit?

My friend i know you and your political views from this your handle to Alcatraz handle.

Why didnt you realize this before? Why were you so venomously and blindly hating on them?

Do you know why we seem disorganized? its because we have to fight off hate and suspicion from all angles from Ikwerres, Ijaws, Yorubas, Fulanis, Tivs. Does that seem fair to you?

If christians and northern minorities could rally round the right cause which we represent, dont you think a peaceful restructuring or secession would occur?

I might not like IPOB but instead of nigerians to have used it as an opportunity to renegotiate our unity and stance in this northern dominated country, all of you guys just reacted(like bulls that sight the color red) negatively to the igbos.

As some of my compatriots have said before; Nigerians are more anti-igbo than Pro Nigeria. Anything that you guys feel will favor Igbos, you vehemently kick against without thinking in the long term to see the benefits.
But we Igbos are and will always remain progressives who want to see prosperity and success in any endeavor of life(not minding the fact that we have corner-cutters amongst us), i can assure you that anything we proscribe or tilt to majorly will be better for any progressive nigerian.

The question is? Will you Nigerians ever look beyond your meaningless hate and envy of Igbos and actually see the big picture before you?

resurgentxtian4:
Anybody with half a brain will know that Nigeria is already gone and she will be an Islamic Republic in less than 30 years. All the indicators point to that direction and the very people that can save us (igbos) are too steeped in hate and disorganization to even be successful in their secession plans. As a Christian man of yoruba extraction, I have looked into the crystal ball and all I see is despair and agony for this country.

Accordingly, any sensible Christian youth who’s not married should endeavor to save money (no matter how excruciating that is in light of the meagre wages paid in Nigeria) to leave this country. I wouldn’t want my enemy to live in an Islamic nation. I am so sure in my analysis that I am not pained by Nigeria’s issue anymore. If you have noticed, upwardly mobile Christian youths are leaving Nigeria in droves and this is no coincidence. It is the culmination of what has been predicted a long time ago. I want Christians to please heed my advice and leave the country for the Islamic north to do what it feels like. Already, northerners don’t travel anywhere as they are comfortable with whatever level of poverty a fellow Muslim inflicts on them. They believe Nigeria is theirs and they have been on the ascendancy in this politics thing for a while.

Any sure young man should just try and save money to leave Nigeria. The only people I pity in all these are our southern girls who won’t see young men to marry them as most young men are fixated on traveling out of the country.

As for the eventual settlement of the issue of Nigeria, we shall settle it in the future (no matter where we are in the world). The north/muslims won’t have the last laugh on Nigeria’s issue.

Selah.

Please can you expantiate further on that statement. How can Igbos save us?

durangokid:
. If what you said is the truth why didn't the north and west allowed Igbos to go then and even now to avoid the Igbo domination, stupid bigot

Leave the bigots. Shameless people.

If this people are so bad for you why didnt they just bomb them to smithereens and leave them to go.

ecosanders:


How did they hate Igbo? This is a Man that practically raised Nzeogwu, before he discover the Igbo dominitary tendencies.

The Man simply say the truth, while the Igbos were heading top positions even in the North,how many Northerners enjoys the same privilege?

Give an Igbo an inch, and he will take a Mile, is that not what they are still doing now? Claiming Lagos as no man's land?

Even as we speak, Igbos are given appointments in other states, Lagos, Kaduna etc, how many Igbo states replicate the same gesture?

The last time a postal of a northerner Contesting for a position in Ebonyi goes round, we all know how the Igbos were cursing, and insulting all over the web....

Besides, as at the time Ahmadu Bello make the speech, we still operating regional system of government....

The igbos were not holding top positions in the north young man, the igbos held positions that required advanced education or skill which many northerners lacked at the time. Even today 2018, how many northerners in percentages can boast of proper tertiary education then imagine 1960. If the northern regional government needed technocrats then it was clear that they could get them from the south, which southerners were the most travelled and readily available for those jobs?

As it stands, the only state that has given an igbo man a govt appointment is Kaduna state which am not so sure of now. Please tell me where igbos are given appointments as state commisioners.

And as for your statement of give igbo an inch and he will take a mile only shows how backward you think.

Any business man that progresses must move from occupying an inch to a mile. If i have the freedom to live and do business in my country then dont complain that am taking a mile that am totally paying for. Is the igbo man forcing people out of their farmlands and slaughtering them, is the igbo man not paying for the land and shops he uses ?

You people will die of envy and will blame everything except your own laziness. How can somebody come from a region over 500 miles away, see a business opportunity in your backyard and become a millionaire in a decade and the only thing you do is to say he wants to dominate you.
Why are you pointing one finger at somebody when four are pointing back at you.

If you claim an igbo man living in your community peacefully who has never forced you out of your land is trying to dominate you then your worst enemy is not that igbo man but your LAZINESS and MYOPIA.

Nigeria is one country now, since 1970 we have been one country All human beings have the right to live and do business everywhere as long as they respect the state and federal laws governing that part of the country. All opportunities are open for everyone to enjoy and invest in. If someone is progressing in your own enclave while following the laws then look in the mirror my friend and stop complaining.

Just superb, perfect literature exposing a simple truth

AdaFonju:

That mentality is why Buhari is your president

Am sure you are from the Niger Delta thats why you sound like this.

In case you dont know, Garden City(Port harcourt) city plan and outline was drawn up and implemented by Michael Okpara, how many more PHCs and cities would have been setup in an independent Eastern region?

The choice to go with the east was never a lesser evil but a form of good which many myopic eastern minorities couldnt see because of fear of dominance.

Well i keep telling them till today that now they are being bleeped from both sides, northerners own your oil wells, yorubas dominate your oil industry and igbos dominate their markets and environs . What do they get in return?

Cant you people see that this is sarcasm.

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openmine:


Sorry Ohh How old U?
Cos if U are a fully grown man,i would be so disappointed!

Young man. Maybe you are new here but am an agnostic and this attitude you are seeing from Felixomor is very normal for christian apologists here.

He has danced and danced around with no point to make and has dodged all your questions. Its clearly proven that tithing is not scriptural.

I see you as an intellectually honest person, i just wish you would use your intellectual honesty to analyse the bible and your religion fully and see the conclusion you will reach.

terrezo2002:

Alright. We shall see then. It's just a matter of time. Cheers

Oh yes they shall see when the world comes to an end by september 23rd right?

If not then, it could be january 1st or
July 2018 or
december 2018 or
2019
2022
2024 for sure
2080 certainly
it could never be beyond 2100 ( thats after you are gone)
if its beyond then it wont surpass your grandkids generation

and so on and so forth

Christard

felixomor:


Enjoy your Atheistic idiocy

hahahaha
what a fool with his sidekick.

Batman and robin ( 4evergod and Felixomor)

This is the most dishonest thread ever.

Just what i expected from a christard.

So now the answer to your question isnt important is to now bring creationist trash about asteroids and origin of water.

Enjoy your dishonest party

Your magical answer hasnt come yet @OP

Please am waiting

I know your partner in crime is trying to derail the thread but just give the answer if there is any at all

bennyann:


Na that one go make you happy now

None of them stand alone. If Bible talk about grace and still talk about works, e mean say both go together.

But can you try tell me your mind on it, like when you were still a Christian. I mean give us your mind on it as though you're an intelligent Christian who understands the Bible.

For now act as a Christian for my sake

My dear Bennyann, i am just stating what am seeing.

As for my opinion on grace and works

The honest truth is that christianity starts from faith which leads to saving grace then as a christian you are meant to show good works and transform yourself to live a holy life by the help of the holy spirit. Your admittance into heaven is based on your works(not carnal works) but spirit inspired works. Your admittance is based on the holiness that has been nurtured into you due to your obedience to the spirits leading and conviction and most importantly grace.

To sum it up, christianity is about being saved from sin and being transformed to be a holy person so you can be deemed worthy of reunion with God.

Now the opinion up there is a honest opinion and summary of what the bible teaches if only it wasnt built on fantasy. If only it was real

The christards An2Elect and the OP Hier cant even get their stories straight.

They cant even agree on how one should be saved whether by grace alone, grace and works, works first then grace, grace first then works and grace

When you guys are done arguing with yourselves, continue threatening us with your fictitious god/hell

@OP

Did Charles Templeton also know nothing about god

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Templeton

I have been watching these two stupid christards Ebuka and butterfly running circles around Dalaman. Claiming they won an argument when they only use circular logic, i just didnt have time to answer them since.
In their minds, they won an argument when they are in a totally impossible position.

Let me summarize the stupid arguments you guys put up and show you how dumb you guys sound.

Scenario:

Me and KingEbuka know each other for a while. KingEbuka suddenly tells me that he is an american citizen. I then tell him that his belief that he is an american citizen is a man made idea and a lie.

KingEbuka says i should prove that his claim is a man made idea by giving him facts of how we formed that idea, when and where he formed it, and how he propagated it.

I dont have to bring evidence that KingEbukas idea is man made, i dont have to stress myself to provide facts that show how he formulated such a wonderful lie, that would be an utter waste of time. This is true because in life, one fact can disprove thousands and there is no need to stress oneself with running around circles when a single fact can prove everything you want.

The best way to win the argument, will be for me to challenge KingEbuka to bring his american passport or at least present proof that his american passport exists. Simple and case closed.

So coming to reality now. Butterflylion challenged Dalaman to present proof that god is a man made idea. This is very simple, the words "man-made idea" simply means an entity that can only be proven to exist in the minds of men and never ever outside the minds of man.

Is the sun such an entity?

Are rocks such an entity?

Is electricity such an entity?

Are the planets such entities?

The answer to all these is an emphatic NO

Because we can not just observe them visually but also test their efficacy. As Neil Degrasse Tyson wrote " The thing i love about science is that its true whether you believe it or not"

There are entities that are real whether we believe them or not. if we are lucky enough to develop devices to test and observe them then we would be able to observe them and believe in them

Now coming to god. Is there the possibility of an intelligent source of the universe? YES and YES again.

But you theists deifine god as a humanesque, personal, loving, judgemental creator who has chosen the jews as his people and has a son named Jesus who died for the sins of the world. Now this is more personal. You guys believe he (it definitely a he) is omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omnipresent and omniscient.

If you ask Dalaman to prove that the specific being described above is a man made idea, he only has to do one thing which is similar to me telling KingEbuka to present his american passport and that is - ask you to show him anywhere this being exists outside the mind of its worshipers.

This solves the case. Why should he start telling you the origin of your religion and start telling you about the formation of dogma and holy books, thats obviously a waste of time. For the fact that me and any christian alive will never have a real conversation alongside your Jesus or yahweh is enough proof.

I will leave you with an answer given by a quora contributor when asked by a christian how to prove that god is real to a friend.

" To start off proving god or jesus is real, first invite Jesus to dinner at my house then the conversation can begin".

Aaronsrod:


Not me. I've moved on since yesterday. My work here is done...

Yea right.

Well you mimicked a monster and now a real monster is here.

Religious section please welcome SonOfJesus - the latest fundamentalist, evangelical, bigoted soldier of christ.

Note: Aaronsrod you aint fooling me. I know its you behind the mask. Enjoy your ride

TheSonOfJesus:


check my profile, I'm a Christian fundamentalist tired of seeing atheists on this platform turn us into what they want us to be (Christian Deists) I'm tired of seeing my fellow Christians argue for the existence of a god without claims and doctrines, we have played their games for too long, enough of "Something cannot come from nothing" "universe has a cause", my father would not be proud of such, I want to preach Christianity alone and in its purest form, atheists are free to call it irrational, unreasonable etc but we preach the word, its left for the holy spirit to minister and do the remaining work


onto the other parts of your post

The one true God, Yahweh has sent his son and made it clear that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish

the fate that awaits Muslims, pagans, Hindus and other religion awaits you, eternal fire because you serve the devil

its you that can tell him to spare you, the bible made it clear that "he's faithful and just to forgive" if you ask for it

talk to my father today, tell him to come into your life and guide you, next minute might be too late

FEAR THE LORD and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man

So i would really burn in hell forever and ever.
Am so scared.


Please tell him to spare me

TheSonOfJesus:


No, who's Aaronsrod? I'm TheSonOfJesus

Aaron, oh Aaron

I thought i told you to stop mimicking these christards and their folly.

But in case you aint Aaron.

I have a small question

I am an agnostic, please whats my fate from your God?

Can you tell him to spare me a bit?

TheSonOfJesus:


we should always indoctrinate our children with Christianity and not spare the rod in the process if the child is being strong headed, we should beat Christianity into them as The Holy Bible said the kingdom of God is violent and the violent take it by force, no Christian wants his/her child to end up like you, Hellbound and blasphemous

I shall watch from heaven while you roast forever and I'll laugh gleefully at your predicament, you and your offsprings unless they repent and accept my father as their Lord and personal saviour

Aaronsrod is that you?

This smells like you

Aaronsrod:
Aww. Busted!!

Well, it was fun while it lasted...

Guy you are really a character.

A career in satire wont be a bad choice for you. I always noticed it sha.

The christards thought they had a zealous brother not knowing they were being made fun of.

Look at this one

just read the post below and laugh your belly out. Please is this guy for real?

Read this guys posts here and laugh your hearts out.

If this guy is a christian, then he is the worst fundamentalist you have seen, if he isnt then its the biggest joke ever

https://www.nairaland.com/aaronsrod/posts

You guys dont know Aaronsrod.

The guy is most likely an atheist who uses sarcasm to mock religion. I have been following this guy for a while

SmartyPants:


You do not belong in any intellectual forum. If you ask me for a source for any religious claim that i have made, i will not hesitate to provide it. Your only proof of your assertions is "any learned person that has studied religion will agree with this". Pure comedy!

Any where you go in the world, you will be ridiculed, in the company of intellectuals, for making such a ludicrous claim. As a matter of fact, if this was a discussion between only the two of us, i would immediately stop talking to you right there. However this is a forum so for the sake of the silent participants in this debate, i will suffer your unscientific and highly illogical approach.

1. You seem to be deliberately obtuse. I have pointed out to you repeatedly, that the name Christianity, came from men (Acts 11:26: The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.) yet you ask this[b] "Please show me any place in genesis chapter 1 to chapter 5 that talks about christianity or judaism"[/b]; Have you no ability to understand?

Religion, which i defined since the beginning of my thesis, is a set of rules for worship. In Genesis 2:15, God gives Adam and Eve the first set of instructions for worship. He continues to relate with man from that point on, through to Mathew, where He sends His son Jesus. This is the same God from Genesis to Revelation. There is nothing to argue about.

2. I should not argue your points on Hinduism since i have checked multiple sources and found nothing of what you said. I posted one of the sources for you. I then asked you for sources but you cannot provide even one. You are clearly not very well exposed to scientific methods. However, for the benefits of others, i will suffer your ways.

3. Even a surface perusal of your claims reveals how farcical your entire rejoinder is. "Early hindus faced persecution from their foes the northern indians". What a joke. Hinduism is defined everywhere i have searched, as not a particular religion, but the religious beliefs of the people of India as a whole. To claim that Hindus were persecuted by the people of Northern India is proof that you are either completely ignorant, or a typical half-baked self-imagined intellectual, a fraud at best. You think me saying i don't know much about Hinduism means i don't know anything about it, and you can therefore get a way with what you think are unnoticeable lies?

If anything at all, the invasion of the Northern Indians in the time period you make reference to, is what created the amalgamation of beliefs known as Hinduism today. What a fraud you are. I guess that is why you cannot offer any sources for your claims.

As for Mithraism:

Mithraism disappeared from overt practice after the Theodosian decree of 391 banned all pagan rites, and it apparently became extinct thereafter.

https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/link-suggestion/wpcd_2008-09_augmented/wp/m/Mithraic_Mysteries.htm

When Alexander the Great conquered the Persian empire about 330 bce, the old structure of society appears to have broken down completely, and about the worship of Mithra in Persia no more is heard.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Mithraism

It is difficult to trace when the cult of Mithras came to an end. Beck states that "Quite early in the [fourth] century the religion was as good as dead throughout the empire."10 Inscriptions from the 4th century are few. Clauss states that inscriptions show Mithras as one of the cults listed on inscriptions by pagan senators in Rome as part of the "pagan revival" among the elite.11 There is no evidence that the cult still existed in the 5th century.12

http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/mithras/display.php?page=main

Why does this little dimwit tempt me to answer him again.

If you like, redefine christianity to mean whatever you want.

In the garden of eden, the only rule was to dominate and multiply
In the exodus, hundreds of rules were given by Moses and that formed judaism
In the new testament, the sacrifice and commandments of Jesus make a new religion

So which one do you follow? Mr.SmartyPants
Please tell me the one you follow.

Look at this dumbass redefining christianity. Is that not the most dishonest thing ever? Wont your imaginary JESUS be ashamed of you

You say its the same god. Well according to the story is the same god but does worshipping the same god mean you have the same religion
Your religion is christianity you dimwit and it started 2000 years ago, why do you find that hard to understand. Whether you borrowed from judaism or not, it doesnt matter. What matters is that your mode of worship and the deities you worship(jesus,yahweh,holy spirit) were fully defined 2000 years ago.

Please mr.christian can we kindly go to a local jewish synagogue in jerusalem, lets see how well you will fit in.
And meanwhile, make sure you circumcise your male child 8 days after birth. And hannukah is coming so make sure you dont miss out.
Are you not ashamed of yourself? Saying because its hypothetically the same god then the practice doesnt matter
Let me bring a definition of religion for you

A "religion" is any cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, world views, texts, sanctified places, ethics, or organizations, that relate humanity to the supernatural or transcendental.

So claim judaism just to prove a point if you like. Claim that Pastor benny hinn and Rabbi Menachem are members of the same religion. Do whatever you want just to win a useless argument thats generally baseless.

I wont respond to your other useless conditions. I even gave you respect by arguing with your stupid 4 conditions that pulled from nowhere. You see that freethinker cares about your baseless conditions. Even in arguing with you, you still had to change the meaning of your first condition to suit your purposes

Enjoy your useless thread. Stupid religious bigot/dimwit. Continue lying for your christ