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krazydave: @ Liveair, apatheist and other athiests......

Just what exactly are you tying to prove?... That the universe mysteriously formed itself, or that your the final stage of a rats/monkeys metamorphosis

'Cos your not dead to experience the other side or 'cos you haven't caught a glimpse of it doesn't mean it's not there.

Remeber, just 'cos a man is blind does not end the existence of activities around him.....

I'm not trying to convert you in any way(thou i wish i could) but if you've made your choice, make sure it's right both in your eyes and heart.....
#Time_Is_running_Out!!

Not trying to prove anything, just letting you know that you happen to be a xtian cos you were born into a xtian home.
You may as well have been kidnapping girls in Chibok by now for Allah if born into a family in Borno.
If your God created humans then accept he must have been imperfect to create some people with congenital deformities.
As we speak, Space telescopes are gathering pictures of new galaxies being formed by spontaneous processes.

Yes, people have spoken of their NEAR DEATH experiences. It turns out that those who are non xtians said they saw themselves in a peaceful, serene place with loved ones. Those who were xtians either saw a terrible place of torture or a place of peace and tranquility. This means that the MIND is very Powerful!

Now, the only proof of your Jewish God and the story of his power are in no verifiable material except His own Jewish history book which cannot be INDEPENDENTLY verified.

You need to READ!

If you know the size of our Solar System, the sizes of the Galaxies and beyond, with the billions of Stars and earth-like planets, you'll know that If there was a God, He would be too big for any Religion let alone fighting the Egyptians or Philistines and boasting all over the place!

krazydave: so, your trying to tell me that you always been an Atheist?..... From the very first day you were given birth too??
Something must have triggered your unbelif...... Challenge me if i'm wrong!

Krazydave, are you aware that you were born without any religion or belief in any god?
Please prove to us that you were born with a religion.

Esiri111: I believe in the Bible because GOD is the author(He wrote it through men) and in GOD because of His handwork not just because I was told. And I know you know that I have nothing to loose believing in GOD but a lot to gain as I'm on the safe side of life, but you....,

also I know none of you athiests have studied even ¼ of the Bible and you can bear me witness to that.
Again,
Can you tell me 10 good things your athiesm has done for you, I'll have (and can tell you if I got time) 100 good things Christianity (and not religion) has done for me.

Since you know the bible, lets have a little quiz!
Lets start with a very easy, well known issue;
Which of David's sons is Jesus' ancestor?

krazydave: Hmm... Very nice.

@Liveair.... I can coherently tell you that i am a true christian that is prepared for "the shocking discovery of No Heaven"
but,
are you however, prepared for the shocking discovery of a possible Heaven??

Sorry but which heaven?
That of the Muslim Allah, Egyptian pharoahs, Krishna's or which?
Actually, you should be prepared to get exceptionally tortured in Allah's hell for having worshipped His enemy elohim.

Esiri Esiri Esiri...how many times have i called you?
If you know HALF of what these Atheists know about Christianity, Bible or Religion in general you would drop that your bible and start LIVING YOUR LIFE!

Its already been said that RELIGION IS THE OPIUM OF THE MASSES.
When faced with a situation NOT YET understood, it is attributed to 'God'.
Be sure that your God hasn't been proved to exist let alone have answers to issues.
How many times have you prayed for Safety, Provision, Success, etc and got them pronto?
Isn't it clearly suspicious that there is always an EXCUSE for unanswered prayers.
People have been killed in churches (God's Presence). Church buildings have collapsed, killing worshippers, yet he didnt save them!
If save fate awaits both believers and the heathen then what value does piety offer?
It only makes people FEEL good, having the thought that their is a god in control.
With the level of Failed biblical promises of Divine protection, be prepared also for a shocking discovery of no heaven.
Take your destiny in your hands!

EvilBrain1: The US and Canada are not doing badly because they are wealthy first world nations where post people have access to advanced healthcare and public safety measures are strictly enforced. It has nothing to do with Jesus.

And I only included UAE because you asked about it. Plus even if you added Muslims, it wouldn't help your case because the countries with the greatest numbers of Muslims are almost invariably third world shîtholes. The percentage Muslim population of Denmark and Japan is negligible and there are no predominantly Muslim countries with comparably low infant mortality figures so the Muslims would just drag down your numbers and make things worse for you.

Even if you could prove that the countries in the picture I posted were cherry-picked (and you can't because they weren't), you'd still not have any evidence that prayer works. All you have is a bunch of anecdotes, and anecdotes are basically worthless as evidence.

Hmmn, i see your case.
But what are the figures for UAE, Saudi arabia, Oman, Israel, Uk and Russia? Dont worry, am not Muslim. Why cant we say US and Canada with good figures have good economies and healthcare cos of Prayer?

Apatheist: Do you think heaven and hell do not change with time?
After the tower of babel incident, God moved heaven so people won't find it.

In that case He'll need to move it yet again as man has taken travel to space.

Because people have different imaginations and ideas of what it should be. Vision indeed.

Hahaha...can't laugh enough.
If its true then Amaechi has had his way once more, though he would've preferred Wike to run, just to disgracefully humble him with the results.

donroxy: This is simply myopia you are displayin here !


The same Nigerian Army fighting Bokoharam is the same Army giving Bokoharam intelligence

Recently in the news , a man who is ring leader of Civilian JTF was found to be supplying Bokoharam with Intelligence .........

Which Prayer , when some cabals aint ready to holistically fight against bokoharam !

Nonetheless, My Prayer has always been on my own personal issues

No matter how much you prayed for Nigeria or your friend if we aint ready to make Nigeria work it will never work thy kingdom come !

Heaven help those who are ready to help themselves !

See how you are going round in circles!
So the infilterators are making your god powerless to act? How many are they to stop your God from answering the prayers of millions of christians (His own) praying for an end to all this?
Isn't it incumbent on your God to destroys all perpetuators, including infilterators so as to protect the christians?
You have ended up making your God seem confused as to what to do just because there are insiders!
Clearly, isn't the myopia in you?

donroxy: Mine is 99% !
The remaining 1% is simply for caution !


Tis not about mere praying :

it is about working hard by doing the right thing @ the right time in the right place ......

Prayer only bring you closer to your luck , help with influences beyond your realm ..... 75% of the Job would be done by you !!


After prayer bring your luck/dream to you , u take it up from there and grasp it with both hands using ur brain else ...... na only smell u go dey smell am, u no go fit lick am verily sef u go fit smell am again !

Haven't you ever prayed for peace in Nigeria or for safe return of the Chibok girls? Was it part of your 99% or 1%?

Kyase: u talk am all

Am sure if it was 100% there wouldn't be any hesitation in marking God.
Is this another scare tactic?

EvilBrain: Okay then:

Country | Infant Mortality Rate | Percentage Christians
United States | 5.4/1000 | 73%
Canada | 5.22/1000 | 67.3%
UAE | 6.86/1000 | 9%
And for good measure:
Nigeria | 96.14/1000 (Shame on us!!!) | 50.8%

There is absolutely no correlation between percentage of Christians and infant mortality or any other health index. The statistics clearly show that all those prayers make no appreciable difference. Sorry, but my point stands.

The sauce of the infant mortality data is from the UN World Population Prospects Report from 2010 via Wikipedia. The percentage of christians figures are from the CIA world factbook. The 50.8% number for Nigeria is of course suspect since we don't include ethnicity and religion in our censuses, but the other three are rock solid. You can double check if you don't believe.

Sorry for bursting your bubble.

Clearly, the US and Canada as you have stated are not doing badly considering their sizes and population with repect to other nations listed.
UAE cannot be sampled with christianity. The issue here is Percentage of answered prayer, Islam inclusive. UAE should be sampled WRT Islam.
No, i really have no bubble to burst. You clearly dont know my position.

EvilBrain1: You atheists should shut up abeg! Prayer works dammit, and I have the statistics to prove it!

https://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/wwjtd/files/2014/06/UYCsGTT-1024x1024.jpg

Oh, wait... never mind.

No...No...No, i beg to disagree!
This data cannot be said to be fair. It would seem that your data carefully avoided countries like US, Canada, UAE, etc. To be fair, sample more randomly picked countries in different areas of the globe with sizable population and lets scrutinize.

Jackeeh: I suppose you're Nigerian? Good. Let's assume I give you a book written in mandarin. Will u understand what u see? You won't even be able to read let alone understand. And you may need help i.e in form of an interpreter. In like manner, I don't expect a natural man to understand the things of the spirit. The next time you want to read the Bible, humbly ask the Holy Spirit to interpret. He will. He does it all the time. Then you will know that the Bible isn't contradictory

To start with, do you know how many denominations of christianity there are? All claiming to have divine interpretation of the same bible, yet all different in teaching.
The bible is written in PLAIN ENGLISH, ok.
For starters, you dont need prayers to help you understand some things like the difference between Jesus' geneology as detailed in Matt 1 and that of Lk 3. Is he a decendant of Solomon or Nathan?
By the time you have studied it well please reply? Pls pray very well for revelation.

Apatheist: If you tithe your prayers will be answered.
If they still aren't answered you need to sow a seed!

But not all churches are like that you know.

Leetunechi: Little explanation

if a child wrong his parents..certain punishment may like to follow due to the gravity of wrong the child did/commited.
And also if the child humble himself to ask for the parents forgiveness,the parents on their side may forgive and also drop the punishment which was meant for the child


now God is our heavenly father,he forgives whenever we take time to ask for his forgiveness..and i was made to understand that,despite God can forgive our sins..we must suffer the punishment which he maped out for that particular person.

So here is my question


why shd we still suffer the punishment despite being forgiven in the first place ??

And what is the essence of the forgiveness when we are likely to suffer for the same sin/sins

I need answers please

The bible is full of Contradictions, Errors and Half-truths. An average christian has his/her own understanding and interpretation yet will claim that the Spirit of God has revealed so to him/her.

Apatheist: They forgot to tithe, that's why.

Tithe?
What has tithe got to do with anything!

[quote author=m-ployer]100%.

There is no such thing as unanswered prayer, Its probably not prayer. If it qualifies as prayer it must be answered. Even 'no' is an answer and always with a positive result.[/quote]Meaning that God may have said "NO" to the prayers of the faithful in Nigeria against boko haram killings?
I thought Jesus said "whatever you ask in my name shall be granted you by the Father"

[quote author=$wtme]Father forgive liveair 4 he knows not what he's saying.[/quote]Hahaha. I expected better from a smart lady who knows the bible well.
How about the Hundreds that have been killed in the PRESENCE of your God in CHURCHES by boko haram. I guess your God has a reason too, even though it could be assumed that not all of them will make heaven; meaning that your God has a reason for some of his worshippers going to hell too! Wake up dear!

[quote author=$wtme]I can see most of u guys don't believe in God but I do n will always.

I av gone thru a whole lot from ghastly motor accident to operations to spiritual attacks all this times I prayed n I ask God y me but it took me yrs to discover y-I'm a living testimony, my story gives ppl who're going thru trying times strenght n hope

Our country is going thru trials now but we will definitely overcome n it will surely make us stronger.

Remember without test there's no testimony!!!![/quote]You see, your story is exactly the average story of ANYONE on earth, Muslim, Atheist, Hindu, Pagan, etc.
You simply ascribe all that happens to your God. If its good-its Gods faithfulness, If its bad-God must have a reason.

Scyllapatron: The most high FSM is with me, i fear no evil.

So can i then conclude that FSM is your God?

rationalmind: lol, all muslims from different continents and countries cannot be lying about their several experiences which reinforced their belief that Allah is the one and only true God and that Allah will roast all christians in hell for not accepting Mohammed as a true messenger of God

Very hilarious.

ENIMONEY: u keep assuming!!! I don't believe muslims are spell bound or something! Most religion serves one God in different ways! I am just trying to tell you how I serve my own God and how my own God works. Am not saying my religion is the best or anytin! But in my religion, when the anointing falls, it is electrifying and we fall, but the anointing is intelligent! You get? That's all.

Hahaha...You are wise to have limited it to 'your own God', and that you don't claim that yours is the best.
Actually i wasn't assuming, thats the position of christians generally.

Scyllapatron: nothing is predestined, decisions + actions = outcome. in essence, we create our own reality. as for religion, god and prayer all na wash.

Hmm, do not provoke the wrath of God!

ENIMONEY: u just spoke my mind! So all christians from diff countries and continents are lying? Are hypnotized

Yes! Same way Adolf Hitler keep Germans spell-bound.
Same way you are totally convinced that billions of Muslims worldwide are spell-bound.
Same way most christians are convinced that all non christians are all spell-bound by the devil.
Am sure if you were born in the UAE, by now you'll be equally telling all christians to shut-up, that only Allah is God.
You really need to start asking questions and seeing the bigger picture dear!

ENIMONEY: you are getting it wrong! Urinating I don't knw about bt vomitting is neccessary when u have some spiritual tins in ur body! You have to expel demonic stuff u might have eaten! Btw the holy spirit will not come and close ur body for you, that's the work of ushers.

Am sure you got my point which simply is;
If the anointing is intelligent as you said, why does that intelligence end with just the camera crew?
Why desnt the 'intelligent' anointing show that intelligence in decency and propriety?
Anointing should act such as to prevent women exposing their bodies, etc, knowing that ushers are not 100% prepared.
Anointing should prevent people falling and stampeding others at crusade grounds.
Anointing should not allow people fall hard against church furniture.
You are making an excuse for the anointing!

mumumugu: How i go mark God exam?

No, you cant mark God, you are only counting His faithfulness and His benefits for all to see.

Mad Cow: Lol..

Pride?! Arrogance?!! Worldliness?!! inside a Rolls Royce?!


What better way to remind me of an awesome God than inside a Maybach or Rolls Royce?!

Anyways, thats why I stopped praying and became a Mad Cow.

But it says, 'seek ye first the kingdom of God and all things shall be added unto you'!

[quote author=$wtme]yes I av n not just once. ..[/quote]Really? So why the increasing bombings?
Why pray even more than once to God who already knows all? Does He forget?

Apatheist: Clearly your prayers haven't been answered.
Is it because you didn't "have enough faith"?

Infact, you spoke for me here!