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OLAADEGBU: Science procedures does not interpret. Scientists are the ones who interpret the present with what has happened in the past. Those with Christian worldview interpret it according to the creation event and those who are have evolutionist worldview interpret it accordingly.



You should not just swallow whatever interpretation of the data given. You should ask whether the data is derived from empirical, observational science or an interpretation of past events?



You are mixing observational science and historical science together.

Even a kid wouldn't post such mediocre arguement.

Please give one "Christian Scientific Worldview" or "Interpretation" that proves that ancient Dinosaur fossils are less than the 6000 years of your biblical creation.

PastorOluT: What am i saying and what are u saying, what is the assumption i am talking about? The assumption is that they believe we ought to have known some things and not assuming something that is not to be.

This excuse of "the assumption that we have known some things" doesn't even answer the question on difference between Jesus' 21 ancestors from Solomon in Matt 1 and his 41 ancestors from Nathan in Lk 3.

Let's see.
Imagine, if there was nothing at all. No humans, Planets, Space-Time, nothing.
What do you think would exist? Let's call it Vacuum or Nothing-ness.

Now, the fabric of that same Vacuum is nothingness; no light, no elemental universe.

That Nothing-ness was also super condensed to Infinity because that's all the fabric available in the absence of anything.
This Nothing-ness is also condensed energy to Infinity of Vacuum and so eventually becomes ruptured due to its randomness.
That randomness is what is available in the absence of order.
This rupture is what science theorizes as Big Bang.

OLAADEGBU: All radiometric dating methods use scientific procedures in the present to interpret what has happened in the past. The procedures used are not what I'm questioning, it's the interpretation of the past event that scientists make is what determines what age they will come up with.

The question you should ask yourself is, which worldview does science support?

Oh, you think Scientists are just one block of people somewhere that just put their heads together and decide to misinterpret findings? Very funny.
Scientists are some of the most independent individuals who also want to outdo each other by debunking each others' findings.

Every discovery is tested, re-tested, verified and re-verified by independent bodies over an extensive period before its even called a Hypothesis, let alone a Law for application.

There isn't any "worldview" here. There is only proof or fable.

PastorOluT: This doesn't in anyway negate what I said earlier, truth be told there appear to be contradictions in the bible 'cos somethings are lost in history and many assumptions from the writers.

Remember they were writing to a different audience from us, n many of them never even knew their writings will be read by people who never had fore knowledge of some things, thus the assumptions.

Finally someone is really thinking.
Anyway, you must have been thought in school that "Science is Discovery". Science never assumes it knows until it investigates, documents, tests and verifies again independently. At that point it becomes authoritative proof.

OLAADEGBU: Dating methods may be scientific but human beings still have to interprete the data according to their presuppositions. Carbon dating strongly supports a young earth.

I can see you don't know much about dating. Do more research, read more to know.
Am sure you don't even know that Egypt is in its 7th Millenium (7,000 years) of history. Older than bible creation - maybe Egypt was not part of "creation".

PastorOluT: I believe u understand what lineage means, is Solomon not the son of David who is in the lineage of Jesus. Do u know Solomon was named also named Jedidah? So Nathan could also be one of his name. There are many examples like that in the bible, especially when u are going thru their geanologies n not just this alone.

Do u also know that Saul did not change his name to Paul as many believed, the Greek name for Saul is Paul. So if u do not know before u will think little things like this are contradictions 'cos they are not explained. Know for sure these letters were written to people of old who easily understood this things n there was no reasons for further explanations.

Hahaha. Better look for good excuses.

Matt 1; There are only 26 ancestors to Jesus. From Solomon down, the names are of different individuals.
Lk 3; There are 41 ancestors to Jesus. At every stage the individuals are different from that of Matt 1.

OLAADEGBU: What's your evidence that it is 35,000 years old? It is your choice to believe a lie from the pit of hell.

That is scientific ingenuity at work.
Methods like Radio-active Dating, Dendrochronological Dating, and Radiograghic Dating are used. These are very reliable methods used by archaeologists the world over.

You can choose to hold on to your biblical fables while the truth about mans' existence on earth is unravelled by science.

Image123: You talk too much for a male. Try and reread what i said and then comment.

I've not uttered a word, just written enlightenment to you.
You study too little for a man.
Next time gather enough info before rushing to post what you think might be evidence.

OLAADEGBU: Don't learn lies learn the truth and it will set you free indeed.

All you are doing is trying to convince yourself that the Straw you are hanging on to isn't eroded.
Go and read about giant Mamoth carcasses exhumed from snow in Siberia. The 35,000 years age alone tells you that the bible story of creation which is about 6000 year ago is false.
Wake up to reality not lies ok.

PastorOluT: The problem with u guys is thinking some twisted articles u read online made u geniuses, so from the bible there are contradictions in the genealogy of Jesus?

Look, if you have a point to make please make it and stop making noise.
What article online? Is your bible online? We are talking what is written in your bible you are talking online!
Solomon, the ancestor of Jesus according to Matt 1 and Nathan, the ancestor of Jesus accoording to Lk 3 are they the same person? Or has your own bible corrected that false information.

PastorOluT: The genealogy of Jesus

What about the geneology of Jesus? Is it missing in your bible?

Image123: A young evangelical atheist on the loose. Stop stating those things you read on the web as fact as if saying so makes it so. Basic sedimentology and fossil correlation show indications of several global floods. Also, throw those figures in the trash can where they belong, thanks.

An EVANGELIST WANNA-BE who sticks with christian propaganda as thought him by defenders of their source of economic strength and power - Religion.
Believe me, you know NOTHING about "sedimentology". You are a lay-man.

Where is your proof that a flood previously covered the ancient Pyramids which are older than your Noah's flood?

To enlighten you, have you heard of Dried-up rivers or Lakes? These are regions that became dry as a result of Desertification and Droughts.
Again, ancient Volcanic activities have been recorded to have dried waters up. These account for the sediments you now claim as evidence. Pls read more.

Am sure you didn't know there was an ICE AGE, which had also melted, covering large regions. Glacial Outbursts, Ocean Surge and Tsunami have all taken place previously and not found to have covered the earth.

Am very sure you are not even aware of 35,000 year old Mamoths found in Siberia or fossils of Prehistoric Trees older than 200,000,000 years. All these are far older than your biblical creation story which dates the world at 6,000 years.

Do well to prove to us that a World-Wide water covered the Earth in 2350BC or there about.
I can't understand why you guys are so resistant to superior information and arguement.

alexleo: Not really because I was told but I ve proved the bible over and over in my life. In my family too and around me. That's why I strongly believe it. Cheers.

Others who don't believe it or even have anything to do with it have also proved its irrelevance to their lives and families.

malvisguy212: so if I give you fact now, you will believe in the imaginary being? Hypocrite.thank you for your time.

Listen, once FACTS are provided, it ceases to be "imaginary" but real.
Check dictionary meaning of Hypocrite, its something else!

PastorOluT: Ur interpretation, even some u quoted was pure misquotation

Pls point them, enlighten me.

alexleo: I wasn't making my point to convince you but to state the biblical standard about what you raised. We are two parallel lines that can never meet. I dont care about being on the same boat with an atheist on issues about God. I cannot reason like an atheists. Whatever i am reasoning about God must not be outside the bible. One or two persons may have benefited out there and thats okay for me than keeping quiet for your lies to confuse them.

N.B Pls I dont feel bad at all with any of you even though we dont agree. I enjoyed the whole chatting. If you bring up another interesting point i ll still make input from my biblical background. So keep a free heart o. I like you guys. I really do. Cheers.

That's the problem. No body said you should reason like an atheist. No one said you should be on the same boat either. All we are saying is that you reason with your educated brain, considering the FACTUAL EVIDENCES provided for you so far.
You have all along believed things you were told without asking questions that's why its hard now.

I have tried, just wish you could really see bro.

malvisguy212: let me tell you the truth, no amoung of fact I will give to you on nairaland that will convince you to believe,the only way is for you to ask him to revealed Himself to you.

No, if you give me FACTS i will not be able to refute it, thats why its called FACT - verifiable evidence. All you have been telling me is your emotions.
I can't ask an imaginary being to "reveal himself".

PastorOluT: Even from ur post there is logical conclusion as to all those beliefs claims, so ur conclusion is sentimental my brother.

There is a fine line between LOGIC and SENTIMENTS.
Read the earlier posts where I gave FACTS and LOGIC not sentiments.

I gave example of the different diverse christian
doctrines, understandings, teachings and beliefs, all declaring to have been inspired by same Holy Spirit.
I gave several erroneous bible passages, proving that even the accepted christian manual cannot be trusted as truth.

Place verifiable facts here pls.

alexleo: That's your research and we don't need your research. What we ll take is what the bible said. Keep your false research to yourself.

And who says the bible is a standard?
Same way its his research, your Jewish bible is also some peoples' traditional research so keep it to yourself.

malvisguy212: liveair, weah96,Zikdik. I know you guys are harden athiest, but I want you guys to know somtin........the mind I have I believe non of you guys have it, what i'v done since when I was a kid, it will only take a decade for someone to do it,not that I kill someone ooo,but when I was like you guys,were I get mind enter non of you can do it. But today , by his grace am save, am now a new man, by God grace am what I am today.

Am glad you decided to change for the better. You should be proud of yourself 'cos you did it for yourself.

Weah96: Which days are you talking about? Were 500 yr old men walking around in Egypt 5000 years ago? Or did this long life only apply to the chosen ones?

Excellent question.

malvisguy212: you an atheist, I don't need to convince you to believe, I will just let you know somtin......you can't compare those days and nowadays,in those days man live longer 500years upward,but today you don't see that happen nowadays,do you?


As that of the root of jesus,that is the mistake of men,man is not perfect, ok, example now, the book I type for you in my first post, that was isaiah chapter 6, isaiah saw an angel he thought he saw God, that was his mistake, one thing for sure ALL CHRISTIAN KNOWS THAT JESUS IS FROM THE ROOT OF DAVID.

Malvisguy212, the aim of these posts is to prove to you (not convince you) that the fundamental book of christian instruction and which the christian faith is based on is UNRELIABLE and just fable.

You don't need to convince me. If you've got FACTS, let the facts speak and I will believe.

Again, as for Isaiah, you can't use the erroneous bible to prove that the same bible is the truth. Illogical!

malvisguy212: can you quote the verse that is error?

I will give a few.
Genesis 7:11, 7:22, 7:13;
Noah's Arc was only about the size of a football field yet the over 6,000,000 (x2 for pairs) land animals species were said to have been crammed in that ridiculous space with 3 decks - ridiculous.
Genesis 7:19;
The flood was said to cover the highest mountain top on earth. At that altitude the air is Thin and unbreathable, did they wear O2 masks?

Mattew 1:1-16
This account says Jesus descended from David's son Solomon.
Luke 3:23-31
This account says Jesus descended from Nathan.
Which one is it?

Mk 13:30 , Lk 9:27
Those passages make it clear that Jesus informed his followers to get set since his return will come before they are all dead. This never happened.

Vinx4Christ: bro this clearly shows you are part of the ten class who don't understand the scriptures (the word of GOD)

Oh, you are a member of the class that believes the error-filled bible is truth! Sorry!

Vinx4Christ: ......


Becos Christ is the truth, the life and the way

Says who?

Fascinating! And some folks will keep ignoring these details.

Vinx4Christ: Jehovah through Jesus Christ our Lord..... Jesus love u dearly

Why should it be him and not Allah and Mohammed or even Amadioha?

malvisguy212: I reply you first post, I don't know how the post lost,all the same sha.

All what you type are the philosophy of men, tryin hard to hide the truth, this is the simple truth, believe or not, like it or hate it, one thin is certain, you will face judgment. Thank you.

Pls post it again if it has facts.
Isn't it obvious that objective research and studies expose the truth instead of hiding it like Religion does?
Judgement? You should be scared 'cos if there were Gods, you would face many judgements and Hells from them diversely.

Vinx4Christ: Bro. I pray GOD will open ur heart to understand. Come to think of it,,, You will do urself a lot of good saving thy Lord (genuinely) than living outside God ..... Pls think wisely

Which of the Gods?

alexleo: This is more of your theory and its meaningLess to me. My guide is the bible and I ve experienced the reality of the bible ssverally.you can Keep your theories to yoursself and those who care.

See how macof's post seems meaningless to you? Exactly same way is your biblical theory MEANINGLESS to others like him.
Your guide - the bible, is flawed in many areas.
Others also claim reality and experiences of different understandings too.
You can also be told, KEEP YOUR RELIGION TO YOURSELF AND THOSE WHO CARE FOR FABLES.

PastorOluT: And what's ur conclusion after all ur findings?

Conclusion is there in my earlier post you quoted. Its obvious.