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I'm not getting the outrage.

Still not getting it. I know folks are having PTSD flash backs to the start of last season but deep breaths people. Deep breaths!

Hopefully, Zidane doesn't try to be stubborn and makes appropriate strategic, technical, and personnel changes.

-Lord

ClintonNzedimma:
Bros their career never end, in life you cannot have it all, Ronaldo has never won a treble, but Messi will never win a trophy for Argentina. I agree with you on that

Maybe you're not understanding my point. My issue, and I suspect it's the same with most Ronaldo fans and neutrals, is that after you guys have propped up Messi to be this larger-than-life figure that can do everything; you guys are now backtracking after the serial disappointments in continental Europe of late and South America throughout his senior career, that people are expecting too much from him.

No one stipulated those expectations but his stans. At the start, Ronaldo was the unlucky one. After the 2004 Euros loss and the end of their golden era; it was assumed he wouldn't ever win a NT trophy for a country that never had one. Messi was the one who had favor, came from a traditional football powerhouse that almost always had an exciting roster even in off-years & have a winning culture.

It was expected, not theorized, that an international trophy was par for the course. Eight or so international tourneys and four finals later with one of the most lethal attacks in Argentine history, no NT trophy and we're just supposed to overlook it because the player in question is Messi. And this isn't an isolated instance. Barcelona hasn't fared better in the UCL after Xavi and Iniesta left either; because a certain talisman who his fans place on the GOAT list can't act/play like a GOAT contender when the occasion calls for it.

The incensing part is how hardcore Messi stans then resort to downplaying others' efforts and propping inanities like an MVP award or goals scored against Malaga to cover up his failings like they do not understand the gravity of being a GOAT contender. How far up your a$$ do you have to be to say that Messi is better than CR7, Pele, or Maradona when he can't inspire a forward line comprising himself, Higuain, Di Maria, Aguero, and Lavezzi (and later Dybala) all proven winners and at their prime to an international trophy over several competitions.

Dude is a fraud. If another GOAT contender also had to lead a similar attacking lineup and didn't win one trophy, I'd call him a fraud too.

-Lord

ClintonNzedimma:
[s]
Messi has never under delivered bro, Where was Ronaldo 2009-15? Answer the question, now Ronaldo is dominating, so we should forget Messi was once the Boss abi? Trust me Messi will win another UCL titles and, Ronaldo too.... who does it first, we don't know. Messi is better than Maradona, he doesn't need drug to perform. Concerning Messi inspiring his teammates, Messi is definitely not captain material I agree. This argument of him leaving Barca is just stupid, if he wins copa America next year , they will say he should still leave Barca. Can you name me one player that has Outshined Messi in Argentina in the past 10 years. While you Ronaldo fans has witnessed back to back UCL, I will witnessed 2 trebles. 91 goals a year and consecutive finals that he lost, even Buffon is still looking for UCL trophy.[/s]

So you're trying to tell me that in 2010, you Messi fans predicted Messi would not have won a national team trophy at the age of 33?

Or you don't know the meaning of underdeliver? Go use a dictionary. Come back when you have a concrete point to make.

-Lord

Mcleo007:
[s]


Have you asked yourself why coaches or opposing teams rarely talk about stopping Penaldo? The reason is simple; stop the person (s) responsible for feeding him and he's off. Now, how do you consider someone who gets stopped by the mere fact of killing his supply source a greater player to someone who gets a cage built around him to render him quiet?

Penaldo played in 6 UCL finals and was unarguably ineffective in no less than 3 of them. He played 3 finals for his national team and was ineffective in all three. That is 9 finals which is one less as Messi with 8. While Penaldo won most of the finals with his team, he can't be said to be the reason they won.This brings me to my point that logically, it takes a team to win trophies. Messi could have won at least 2 of the finals being ineffective while his team mates made his absence count bailing him just as your man has enjoyed over the years.

In a nutshell, they're both great players. But the argument that one is a system player and a bottler only holds ground in the heart of clownish fans, especially Nigerians and EPL fans. And it's worse when you're both a Nigerian and supporter of the EPL. Illogical things find their way with those lot. [/s]

Yet Messi has been made to disappear in 3 consecutive UCL tourneys while Ronaldo has won 3 UCLs and 2 NL trophies in the last 5 years.

Nobody talks about stopping CR7 because he is the best positional player to ever play the game and needs just one opening to decide a tie. Even when he isn't with the ball, he drags players away, which is what allowed Guedes to have the opening to score the UEFA NL winner. Playing against CR7 is accepting you are a goal down.

Try again, you've just crapped your pants!

-Lord

ClintonNzedimma:
If you look at Messi and Ronaldo and still don't get that the Moral of the story is that Life is turn by turn, then you are in for a long thing

Fair enough. During Messi's turn, you guys sh*t on CR7 and other greats nonstop.

Now it's not his turn, don't act surprised that he's having a taste of the medicine you guys concocted, refined, and manufactured in Camp Nou.

-Lord

Kimbeast:
[s]
Argentina where trophyless for 30 years in both competitions Copa/world cup and then are suddenly playing 4 or 5 finals during the peak years of one player, yes, it's a massive improvement. if you're trophyless for 30 years and people still rate you as world class/tier 1 team despite beng nowhere for so long just because you have certain player, that's actually the biggest compliment you can give to Messi and the funny thing is, you aren't even aware of that.[/s]

They are still trophyless! Nearly cannot kill a bird.

-Lord

Kimbeast:
It takes some real mental gymnastics to try and act as if Ronaldo has had some legendary international career. Never have I watched him at an international tournament and thought this guy is one of the best of all time.

That's because you are part of the Indomie generation. In 2004 when Messi was still in La Masia, a certain prodigy lit up the Euros 2004 tournament. 5 Balon D'Ors and 2 NT later, dude in comfortably perching in the GOAT list; while your MCM is on the verge of his 3rd international retirement.

Since you've decided to be unfortunate in life, you better run back to whatever hole you crawled from.

-Lord

ClintonNzedimma:
Let's be objective and logical, has Ronaldo achieved more than Messi in the national team? YES. Does it mean Ronaldo is better player than Messi. NO.
We Barcelona fans must first recognize what we are arguing, we don't have to downplay Ronaldo's achievement but you Ronaldo fans must be stupid to call Messi an international Failure. As for me, I choose Messi anytime. Ronaldo is good oh I swear...Ororo number 1, I would put him in my team anytime any day, but since I started watching football, I have never seen any player like Messi, I am being honest, I would still tell God the same thing on Judgement day

The issue is that some of the folks in your camp are still stuck in the past like Knicks fans.

Once upon a time, a cheap shot against Ronaldo when he still had just the one CL from his Manchester days was that he mostly only performed against small teams. After the 3-Peat, that's no longer the case.

Once upon a time, at Messi's peak the running bet was how soon he'd be able to eclipse Maradona; and since CR7 had just one Balon D'Or then and it didn't seem like the Messi-Iniesta-Xavi trident would slow anytime soon; Messi stans quickly elevated their MCM to GOAT status; conveniently disregarding CR7's outerworldly performances. Today after the 4-in-5 CL wins, Balon D'Or rack ups, NT glory, and age-agnostic performances, anyone who doesn't place CR7 in a top 3/5 GOAT list is either uninformed or mischievous.

Many Messi fans have their heads still stuck in 2010-2012. They'd rather our current timeline loops continuously over that three year period only. Today you have most people even Messi fans saying they'd rather have CR7 take a last minute spot kick or have him in their team. In 2011, many of the same folks didn't think he was worthy enough to step into the Barca first 11 despite being a Balon D'Or winner.

1. Many Messi fans don't want to accept that neutrals have grown accustomed to seeing CR7 overperform in the last 5 years, while Messi has in the same time simply not lived up to the lofty ideals extoled by his proponents.
2. Many Messi fans don't want to accept that neutrals have grown used to seeing Messi dribbling and scoring in a Barca shirt. It looked nice and novel in 2010. Now it's same old, same old. Yes you can dribble, cutbacks seem to always find you, you can score 50 goals; but against elite competition in Europe or at the NT level; are you able to by grinta take the team past the finish line?
3. Many Messi fans don't want to accept that Messi isn't competing with legends, he is contending with other GOAT candidates. When your competition is CR7, Maradona, Pele, Cryuff, and Zidane; dribbling a mid-level table player worth 1/50th of your going price doesn't move the needle however eye-catching it appears to be. It's the legacy; the performances that make people go who else but him in situations where others fold and crumble under pressure.

Messi was "apparently" supposed to make Maradona look ordinary. And now he can't win a COPA. A f*cking Copa America, while playing for Argentina. Are you guys trying to say if you put either of CR7, Maradona, Pele, Cryuff, or Zidane in each of the four Argentine final team Messi has played in, they'd not win even one of the finals whether by hook or by crook? Or that Messi who goes missing in the knockout stages with Argentina of all countries would somehow excel in the Portugal team CR7 has won with or the Dutch team Cryuff had exploits with?

You guys need to look in the f*cking mirror and realize you guys oversold on Messi and he underdelivered! All the other GOAT candidates worked hard at their craft, paid their dues, and ascended to GOAT status by sheer will and immense resolve.

No one ever looked at a 19-yr old Zidane, CR7, Cryuff, or Maradona and went off with the idea that they'd be the yardstick for others to compare. Even Pele after his exploits in his first WC win wasn't touted because no one at the time expected or believed he could achieve what he eventually did. Yet later on he defined what it meant to be a Great.

But a 19-yr old Messi was signed and delivered as the one to eclipse all the other greats.

Now that he's not being able to match the unholy targets you guys set for him yourselves, you expect those of who are fans of other greats and neutrals to give him a break?

WHY?

Shebi he can do everything? Let him playmake, pre-assist, assist, and score his way to a basic COPA America win. Don't tell us now that he's playing with a poor support cast. If he's supposed to be better than Maradona or CR7 he should be able to win with that poor support cast which curiously have an attack that has won everything there is to win in club football. How he intends to do it, we don't GAF! Just do it!

If Messi can't inspire Higuain or Aguero to a COPA Final win, I don't see how he'll be able to inspire an Eder or Guedes to a Euros win.

That's why we have been asking him to leave Catalonia. Because we know yes, he'd score goals, he'd dribble; but when the stakes are raised Oga will go missing and blame everyone even the pitch. And then even the small cover of Barcelona's system he's hiding under will blow out wide open with a stench like a blooming Rafflesia arnoldii flower.

-Lord

TLona1:
And what efforts did Ronaldo make in Euro 2016 final?

Enough to support Portugal to their first international trophy!

-Lord

Miremoses1:
he will play in his prefered postion(on the left) in a 4-3-3 then play a free role or in the hole (doubt he will thrive in these two formations)in a 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2 formation..

He is quality but we'll see how well he's used. The season can't start soon enough.

-Lord

TLona1:
This was the same way Messi led Argentina to the Copa America final against USA by scoring a brace.

...And then failed to win the trophy! Keep making my points for me.

-Lord

Miremoses1:
Marca: Zidane will make the team's playing style a priority above any name. He will go for a 4-3-3, 4-4-2 or a 4-2-3-. Zizou will make Real Madrid's playing style more vertical with the new signings, specially Hazard and Jovic.

Where is Hazard likely to play in said formation?

-Lord

tesppidd:
[s]I don't answer your questions, you answer mine;

How many times has he been adjudged the bestbplayer at a competition?

Any iidiot can sleep in the box to score goals.

We are talking about individual performance for national team abi?

Messi has been the best player at 3 out of 6 tournaments he's participated in, yet you call him a system player.

How many has Ronaldo won?

Answer, don't massturbate. [/s]

tesppidd:
[s]What If despite his hattrick versus Switzerland and being anonymous in the final, Guedes and Silva failed to show up and they lost?

Would Lord Adam call him an international flop?

I wanna know.[/s]

tesppidd:
[s]What If he did all that (goals and assists) and then Eder did not score in the final and his team members lost to France?

Would you call him an international flop or not?

Answer. [/s]

Dude I'm allergic to your immeasurable level of stup*dity. If stup*dity had a standard scale, they'd have to make a custom scale for you.

I'm as serious as cancer. There is no way I can even pretend to take you serious after that statement. If you don't have shame, me, I have shame. I cannot dance on the street with a mad person and then start trying to convince people that the mad person has moves. That'd be the equivalent of still trying to respond to you.

Even whatever you worship will not forgive me for continuing to debate you after he has in his infinite kindness revealed to me that you're irredeemably senseless. I have 70 or so years to live, replying you is the worst possible way to use that scarce time.

Like damn! I finally see an instance of stup*dity that'd make an amoeba (without a functioning neurological system) blush. In fact, you're a critical risk to the mental health of anyone around you.

-Lord

TLona1:
They don come again.

Players will only be remembered by what they did on the picth not by some unnecessary gesticulation on the coaching line.

If Ronaldo led Portugal to the Euro and Nations league glory, where are the individuals awards to show for it?

Yes and Ronaldo had the most goals and assists in the team for the 2016 Euros and booked the team a place in the final of the Nations League with a superb hattrick.

That's how he led Portugal to the Euro and Nations League glory; by not just what he did on the pitch but also what he did off it.

-Lord

tesppidd:
[s]He would.

Not because he cares about Ronaldo or Fraud Adam.

But because he wants his team members to have a feel.


But I tell you about the primandona Ronaldo the world knows.


Ronaldo would trade a million team trophies for the World Cup Golden ball.
He always wants them all to himself![/s]

Please, you guys should come carry this mental patient!

That completely buffoonic statement in bold is my cue to realize you were dropped too many times on your head as a child for you to ever be able to reason like a homo sapien. You're definitely a special kind of stup*d. Like your stup*dity has to hurt physically.

I mean I've refrained from taking personal shots so far, but I owe it to the universe to at the very least try to remind you of how catastrophically low your IQ is; because I can swear I'm not the first person to tell you same.

Just look at the nonsense you're spouting on a public forum.

-Lord

tesppidd:
[s]He didnt score knock out goals,

Yet he was named the best player at the world cup 2014 by people who know their football a million times over you.

Yet he was named the beat player at the Copa 2015 by a panel which knows their football a million times over some Lord Adam.

Yet even as a teenager he was brilliant enough to be named the best player at the under 20 world cup by people who know their football a million times over some Lord Adam.

How does a system player so this?
How does a system player do this?

Do you really know what system means?

Answer, while I drop my new rhyme;

Lord Adam.
Fraud Adam[/s].

Try again. You've failed again for the umpteenth time to make sense.

If you think an MVP award is more important than a goal or trophy, I don't know why you guys were complaining about Higuain.

I'm perfectly fine with Messi winning MVPs and Ronaldo winning trophies. I know the one Messi prefers, but let me pretend you and him are on the same that MVP awards are better than trophies.

Maybe that was why he was blaming the pitch!

-Lord

tesppidd:
[s]Rubbish again.

Are you this addicted to spewing rubbish?

Like I said goals are just a portion of performance.

The question cannot be "How many times have Eder or Guedes carried Ronaldo across the line by scoring?

The question is;
How many tournaments has Ronaldo won the golden ball as evidence of his excellence?

Oya Name!

Hiding behind team mates.

Second question;

Would you recognise "sense" even if it was disguised as
a sexy lady smiling and waving at you in the street corner?[/s]

I asked you a question: Answer it.

How many trophies has Messi won without goals?

Goals are not simply a portion of performance; they're the end-point and reason for a performance.

As for the question about excellence, CR7 did his part for the team to win the tourney; he had the most goals for his team in both tournaments he won. That is his job; and he damn well excelled at it.

You can continue propping up whatever means more to you, even if it's pre-assists, dude ain't complaining about his two trophies.

-Lord

TLona1:
When you say a player led his team to glory, the player should have individual honours and stats to show for it.

Euro 2016, Greizman was the MVP while Eder scored the goal that made Portugal win the competition while Ronaldo was on the bench.

UEFA nations league 2019, Bernado Silva was the MVP, Guedes scored the only goal that made Portugal win the competition.

For Argentina, Messi was the best player in World Cup 2014, Copa America 2015 and 2016.

One has individual awards that show that he's really tried for his team while the other has been tagging along since time immemorial.

If Messi doesn't win anything in the Argentine national team, history will have it that he was unlucky with Argentina!

Deal with it!

So Messi would not exchange his three MVPs for one international trophy?

Ronaldo played his part, scored in the knockout stages, provided leadership both on and off the pitch; and had two crowning achievements. There's not a single bone in his body that'd exchange both trophies for an MVP award in every competition.

-Lord

tesppidd:
[s]Lol

That's all they talk about;

Goals.

Even a 6 year old football fan knows performance goes beyond goals.

Name 1 competition were Ronaldo was the player of the tournament.

Name just one.

I won't stop bursting your bubble.

He hides behind the team, when he's been shiit in every final he's played.[/s]

So how many trophies has Messi won without goals again?

You no fit get sense for this life again, wallahi!

-Lord

nihilistjnr:
Ronaldo scored important knockout goals for Portugal and won two trophies for them

Messi gba penalty lo throwing

Omo iya teacher

Don't mind them. Dude scores knockout goals only in 2007 and 2016; almost 10 years apart; and the linguistically-challenged cule wants to share "accolades", despite playing in more competitions, with a shorter tournament, with a traditional heavyweight team.

Messi scores a knockout goal enroute to two of the four finals he's been in playing for ARGENTINA. CR7 scores in knockout goals enroute to all three finals he's been in playing for PORTUGAL.

And these same people have no shame. When I call him a system player, one would be foaming in the mouth.

-Lord

tesppidd:
Hmm

Lame response.

Very lame response.


If a player has got all those accolade for his second team and you still label him a system player,

Then using your head isn't quite something you'd be remembered for when you're gone.

It's lame to you because you have no concrete response.

You're asking me to be impressed that the best player in the joint-best team on the continent who has the most caps as an attacker has the highest goal tally? How old do you think I am?

If Ronaldo was German or French and he hadn't won a trophy, he'd still get called out; because he would be playing in a traditional heavyweight national team. Teams that expect to win every competition they participate in. That's Argentina; whether you like to hear it or not.

Now you expect a reasonable person to accept that a person who scored 50 goals in a season that wrapped up like one month ago, somehow only scored a penalty in this COPA; and said person is not a system player?

A player who apparently can do everything in a barca shirt, but couldn't score a goal or assist one in four finals in a national team that's the joint-best in his native continent?

That is the very definition of a system player.

-Lord

tesppidd:
Ruling out my texts doesn't add credibility to your trash you're spewing.


And don't deviate.

We were talking about the phrase "system player"

I blot out text that don't make an ounce of sense.

tesppidd:
[s]For the fact that your MCM hid behind team performance and won a trophy NOT THE WORLD CUP does not make him the next best thing to bursting a nut.

Records and accolades prove that Messi is still individually better than Ronaldo at National Team.

You just cannot be the best player at 3 global competitions;

1.The FIFA world cup
2.The Copa America
3.The Under 20 world cup

And still be called a system player.

It's criminal to hide behind unscrupulous elements on the net and make some seemingly drug-inspired comments and be forming Lord.



Who does that?

If your name is not Lord?[/s]

Like this one.

You know you're in a bend when you have nothing else concrete to say but to rehash failed arguments and start trifling about my nick. My sign off is literally five letters and a punctuation; that should be the least of your concerns.

You should be more concerned about trying to use your brain, because you've consistently failed to do so so far.

-Lord

tesppidd:
Rubbish Rubbish Rubbish

In very simple terms;

A system player is a player who does not play well outside his main team.

PLAYER wey nor fit shine for another team!


Looking at Messi's performances in any Argentine shirt You would be very dubious and mischievous to label him a system player.

Because he has not win won world cup or the copa makes him a system player?

Guy you better check yasef.

Stop spreading devilish narratives.

Yes.

Precisely how many goals did Messi score in this COPA fresh out of a 50 goal Barcelona season?

How many goals did he score in the knockout stages of that 2014 FIFA WC you guys like to trumpet?

This is an Argentina team that Aguero and Higuain have 0.4+ average; and you're making it seem like he's playing for Ecuador. Only Brazil equals Argentina's standing in South America; so how is it surprising that their best player has a 0.5 average playing against competition they're unarguably better than.

And how does that stop him from being a system player who only has exploits in his club playing a specific system. If he has made exploits in his NT, he'd have had at least one trophy.

You guys need to stop smoking expired crack.

Messi is a system player!

-Lord

Mcleo007:
Great players complement each other, and greatness is not limited by systemic balance. The perfect example of your illustration here is S. Busquets who has declined since the exit of Xavi/Iniesta (you can also see that in the NT). Their absence does not take away the fact he is a great player, but they complimented him to achieve collective success in the middle of the park. They bossed game after game and brought out the best in each other.

You cant categorically say that Messi has declined since they both left(Xavi/Iniesta). On the individual front, he has been the same consistent player, but on the collective, he has achieved less especially on the big stage, which shows that it takes more than individual talent to win trophies. We saw it in the UCL for Madrid; when CR7 is having a bad game, the likes of G. Bale and co rise to the occasion. In the end, the team wins and the star player gets the individual accolade. It was the same when we still had Xaviesta, Pedro R and co.

No single player can win a game by himself; that BS was propagated by the press and fans. CR7 played with a great support cast in all the teams he has played in. His is, feed him the ball and he would score. He is a positional player that is guaranteed to deliver if every factor is available. Messi, on the other hand, is a far more technical and adaptive player. To call him a system player is to make light of his immense talent and loyalty to the club that made him. Reaching 3 back to back majjor finals is no small feat. Winning them all goes beyond just one player.

Finally, I asked an anti-Messi friend of mine who he considered the greater(est) CB between Pique/Ramos and P. Maldini. Without thhinking twice, he said Maldini. Then I reminded him, Maldini was a one-club man, won 5 UCLs and a number of domestic titles but never won a thing with the National team. The other two on the other hand won it all at both club and national level.

Since they left he has choked in 3 successive UCLs and you say he is the same consistent player. The only thing he's been consistent at, is showing he is a fraud.

And to your Maldini question, Maldini is not on the GOAT list; Messi is. You're comparing apples to oranges. The job of the defender is to stop goals from getting in; so even if they do their job; they can still go out through penalties. The job of an attacker is to score or facilitate a goal, so even if you concede, you outscore and win.

Seeing how much you guys extol Messi, anyone who didn't know better would think he could waltz into the pitch, pick the ball from the half-way line and dribble into the net in every game. The question is why hasn't he done so even once in four finals.

And Ramos is a more rounded defender than Maldini. I'd rather have Ramos in my team than Maldini.

-Lord

tesppidd:
[s]It is inevitable when people reason tru their anuses shiit comes along with every output they give.

How can someone have these records;

1. Highest goals in Argentine football.
2. Highest assists in Argentine football.
3. Best player at World Cup 2014.
4. Best player at Copa America 2015.
5. Highest hattricks in Argentine football.
6. Highest man of the match of the awards in Argentine football.
7. Highest goals for Argentina in world cup qualifying.
8. Highest goals for Argentina in copa america qualifying.
9.World cup finalist.
10.Three time copa america finalist.
11.Under 20 world cup trophy.
12.Olympic gold.

Yes he didn't win any senior trophy.

But how can you call such a player a system player

A system player!

Do you know what that even means?[/s]

Because in the land of the blind, a one-eyed man is king!

Dude is the third most capped player playing as an attacker. If he scored any less we'd be calling him a disappointment not a system player, after all Crespo has a better average.

Dude should score a goal or one of his famed hattricks, or the dribble a whole field to score in a match that'd win him a NT trophy. Maradona is a bigger Argentine player than Messi to Argentines for that exact reason.

Messi is a system player. Choke on it if you want. That's not the only thing you like to choke on!

-Lord

tesppidd:
[s]Even The Pope could lose his cool sometimes.
No human is a saint, including Messi.

In football, the most accurate way of measuring indiscipline and bad behavior is by the cards.

Messi has 2 red cards, Ronaldo has over 11 red cards.
Messi has about 77 yellows, Ronaldo has over 120.

Even with what we see on TV week in week out, they are miles apart in terms of self disciple and good conduct.

Messi ain't no saint, but he's nothing like Neymar and Ronaldo.

Relax dia.


P.S.

Ronaldo needs to play in a world cup final and win a golden ball.
He needs to make an impact at the great FIFA World Cup, and not some continental championship!!.

Even Ronaldo's Euro 2016 trophy did nothing to change the GOAT status.

Messi, Maradona and Pele it remains.[/s]

Dude wake up; it isn't 2012 anymore.

Stop rehashing sh*t that have no place in 2019.

Your MCM for heaven's sake was blaming the pitch for his poor performance in a glorified AFCON. That's comical and shameful.

-Lord

tesppidd:
[s]Oga

If you genuinely think that Mesi has not been superb playing for Argentina then your delusion and hatred is incurable.
The fact he's not won any of 3 finals does not mean that he has not been excellent.
Like it or not Messi has been Argentina's best player since Maradona.

You praise Ronaldo to high heavens playing for Portugal;
Despite that he played and got to the final at Euro 2016 and basically 'missed' the final.
Messi played to the final and lost on penalties.

Meaning that both players had no impact on the finals they played,; yet based on these 2 situations you declare Ronaldo excellent for Portugal and Messi flop for Argentina.

Oga this logic stinks!


On the other hand, playing with superb midfielders is playing with superb midfielders.

If you like play with Xavi and Iniesta for 1 million years
Or
Play with Scholes and Giggs, and switch to Modric and Kroos.
You are still needing midfield geniuses to excel.

System player kor system player ni.


We speak about the best player. When you people don't know what to say again you be coming with different adjectives.

System player
Complete player
Better Athlete
Better Motivator
Bla bla bla

Na wa ooh.
Abeg nor mention me again

I nor fit argue today.[/s]

What has his "superb playing" won him in the Argentine NT?

You Messi fans like to pretend you don't understand English. System player does not mean he can't kick the ball. It means he needs a specific system to make exploits. That's why he can score 50 goals in a Barca shirt, but one penalty in an Argentine shirt.

It's a very simple sturv!

That's why we call him a fraud or scammer. Because anyone who watches him only in a Barca shirt would not realize that 97+% of the footballing world do not play that system. He only thrives in that system, and goes missing when he steps out of that system. That's the definition of fraud.

9 coaches; not a single trophy; playing in a heavyweight footballing nation; and shame no dey catch you?

-Lord

tesppidd:
The world has witnessed some super midfield duos of;

Deco and Ronaldinho Gaucho
Modric and Tony Kroos
Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs
Lampard and Michael Essien
Makalele and Zinedene Zidane
Pogba and Andreas Pirlo
Alonso and Mesuit Ozil
Ribery and Arjen Robben
Kaka and Clarance Seedorf


But for some wierd reasons, over the years a group of football experts still want we football novices to agree that only Xavi and Iniesta can make a footballer win 4 ballon dors in a row and score 91 goals in a calendar year.

Oga when that footballer is Messi, then a legendary midfield can push a great high up the all time list.

Ronaldo also played with two of those pairs you mentioned and no one discounts their efforts.

Let's not pretend like if Messi played in the Spanish NT, he wouldn't have broken WC records?

Without Xavi and Iniesta, Messi's peak would not have been that illustrious. As we've seen since they left and when Messi plays internationally. Messi is a system player. The only system player in the top 5 or even 10 GOAT list.

-Lord

adisaaowala:


Nihilist, these people have suffered enough in your hands na

CR7 fans who want to rip Messi and his stans ad infinitum have my blessing. If you think otherwise, you must not have been online from 2010 to 2012 when Messi fans went full-on psycho on CR7 and his fans.

Like then Messi was on track to win like 2 COPA, 1 WC, 1 Confederations cup at least with Barca looking like they could dominate forever.

To see all that fizzle into a mirage and see CR7 against all odds equal the Balon D'Or gap and eclipse him on International trophies is a sight to behold. Especially with Messi fans now humble, making excuses for their MCM, and forcibly acknowledging that Messi can't have it all.

I see this as a who laughs last, laughs the best kinda situation. KARMA for all the st*pid sh*t Messi stans have said in years past.

PS: As for the just-concluded CONMEBOL competition, it's a disgrace; and Messi has the right to react however he likes. He just needs to be cool with the repercussions. Buffon said similar.

If same sh*t had happened to CR7, I know we his fans would have doxxed the ref of the Brazil match and some would have sent death threats. Our blood dey hot.

The problem is that Messi fans are in a fix, because they're usually the ones who are the behavioral police talking about how Messi is humble, how anyone complaining is a sore loser, and all the other amateurish BS.

Neymar said same thing about refereeing, got 3 match CL ban and no Messi fan was saying then that Neymar had a point. But now that Messi has said same, we all are supposed to suspend the "good behavior" yardstick they've trumpeted for over a decade, and make an exception. Just like how they said it wasn't proper for Cristiano to call himself the best ever; then Messi poses with a goat and there goes the humility tag suspension again.

-Lord

Here for Mertens. Go get that WC and Balon D'Or.

-Lord

Regardless of whatever happens in this match, the first sentence Amaju should tell Rohr is "You're fired."

-Lord

Cules what's the new excuse?

Because e don pass pity, na shame remain for Messi.

See the fraud wen una b dey prop up for Balon D'Or?

-Lord