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Workch:
So in your book:

Lack of belief does not mean "disbelief"?

Let's know where your problem lies 😂

No it doesn't.

Maynman:
So if an atheist say he doesn’t believe in gods it is the same as saying no gods exist?

Let's watch his amazing semantic gymnastics. LoLz.

Workch:
You are running from pillar to post

LWKMD! Let's see your other semantic gymnastic feat of contorting lack of belief into disbelief.

The same person that says "I don't believe" is not the same as "I neither believe nor disbelieve" wants to equate lack of belief with disbelieve. Chai! English don suffer. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

Workch:
Atheism is disbelieve in god.
Bring the picture again.

Are you just living in denial?

This is the picture you posted.
Right side theism, which means believing in God.
Left side, atheism, which means disbelieving God.


The picture is compelling one to either believe or not believe. Which is flawed. I'm not part of anything in that picture and you need to reset your brain to know that people like us exist

Show me where on the picture it says disbelieve. The one in denial here is you. You are looking at A and calling it Z. LMFAO!

Dude I never said you are part of the picture, I used it to illustrate my point of view. So that's why you are knocking your head on it because you think I am saying you have to choose one of them? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! LWKMD!

Workch:
it's two, look it.

The four choices are either to believe or disbelieve.

Why can't you see it? 😂

Where on the picture does it say disbelieve?

How is 4 choices a dichotomy? And does it say these are the only choices in the whole universe? LoLz.

triplechoice:
I'm not sure about this .You were evading my questions .

Please show me again where you responded.. I have not seen it. . Maybe you modified your comments to do so . We all do that sometimes so I may have missed it because of that . But I will check .



You below .





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You didn't quote me to say the above so I didn't see it . Is not everything I have read . Of course I would have seen it later but for now no. It's only in the other thread I saw you discuss it with workch, and once or twice in the past you said the same.

Even at that can you explain what you were trying to do with what I reproduce for you above. It's you .
I don't think you would be doing that for any reason since you are leaning towards the same thing .

Check your mentions or go back through the thread you'll see it.

You literally responded to the comment in which I said I was moving towards ignosticism. So you didn't read it before you responded?

I was responding to a particular person not the OP. If you want to get the sense of what I was responding to read that post but basically I was responding to this: "Yet another person wearing a label he cannot differentiate from other labels." Has nothing to do with misunderstanding the agnostic position or mocking it.

Workch:
You have two choices. Either you eat an apple every day, or you get sick and need to see the doctor. Of course, this isn't actually true. These are not the only two options you have, but such is the fallacy of the false dichotomy.

Your picture is giving me two choices, it's either I believe or not. Of course this is wrong, I can decide not to believe or disbelieve.

You can go back and look at the piture again.

LMAO! There are 4 segments in my picture so tell me again how it is a dichotomy. Bwahahahaha!

triplechoice:
No ,you are getting this wrong .

I said ,I expected you to understand the agnostic position better since the subset ,agnostic atheist is not far from it .

Ok

What is agnostic atheist ?

You once said you are leaning towards that and you cant do so without some understanding of it .

And if you understand it ,why joining others in the mockery instead of explaining it they way you understand it . You may know it better than the rest of us

I literally responded to you with what an agnostic atheist is, why asking the same question again?

Tell me how I do not understand the agnostic position or how I am mocking it. Quote what I said that indicates any of the things you are saying.

Dude I said I am an agnostic atheist, I also said I am moving towards ignosticism. I literally said it in this thread and you can't even quote me right? SMH.

triplechoice:
Agnostic atheist ,not agnostic .

triplechoice:
I expected you to understand the agnostic position better ,but you seem not to at all .

Can you quote where I said anything about the agnostic position in order for you to infer I misunderstood it?

triplechoice:
Oh Reed

I remember you once said you are an agnostic atheist .

What does that even mean?

can you explain in simple terms ?

I expected you to understand the agnostic position better ,but you seem not to at all .
I may be wrong though , hence I want you to explain agnostic atheism .

Quote where I said anything about the agnostic position.

triplechoice:
Not the same . Very surprised by this comment of yours . I should be the one laughing at you .

'Neither ,nor' ,means nothing there .

"Neither John nor Peter is here" ,
equals certainty ,meaning they are definitely not here.

' I don't believe John or Peter is here ' is not certainty . It's possible they might be around .

The key thing here is, 'believe' preceeded by the coordinating conjunction ,'neither ,nor ' which is complete negation of what comes after .

So tell me now ,how is it exactly the same ?




A theist can equally bring exactly the same laughable argument you just brought in to dismiss agnosticism . And they too have done something similar in another thread.

It's certainly not possible for both of you viewing it from the opposite end to have the same perspective

So something is definitely wrong.

And what could that be ?

You are both commiting the mistake of trying to interprete agnosticism strictly from your respective position without making the attempt, even for once , to place yourselves in the position of the agnostic, at the middle , in order to understand how exactly it feels to be one .

Agnosticism is a state of mind and for you to make complete sense of it ,you will need to suspend temporary how you currently think and then try to assume the position to function from that state

That's the only way ,Nothing else would do . Mockery and blind arguments won't help at all. Such antics is symptomatic of someone who is afraid of letting go of what they hold on to as truth .


Reading about it is also not enough . You need to take action and demonstrate it for yourselves .

If you are very critical and continue to be critical of agnosticism ,then it's evidence enough, you don't yet understand it just like theist who also cannot make sense of atheism ,wondering why anyone refuses to believe in a god .It doesn't make sense to them and that's why they call you devil worshippers and confused people.

They just cant just bring themselves to think from your position . If they do so ,then the deconversion process begins . That's all it works .

I can boast of this ,the day you make sense of agnosticism is the day atheism loses its meaning for you .



Don't use your knowledge and experience of atheism or theism to interprete agnosticism and think you will get it .

Learn what it's separately ,if not , you will fail woefully like an ignorant person trying to use their knowledge and experience of English pronunciation to try to pronounce words in French simply because he sees that both language shares exactly the same phonetic symbols . He won't get it at first , and will ridicule himself in the presence of those who know the correct pronunciation .



It's hugely disappointing to read some comments, not to talk of the craziness alongside it from some persons .

LMFAO!

triplechoice:
Where did I say it's an attack?

Show me. You want to push it to me That is what I try to point out
I think you quoted the wrong person . Check again

LoLz. You responded to me first dude. Abeg rest.

Workch:
do even know what a false dichotomy is?

😂😂😂

Educate me. LoLz.

triplechoice:
I'm not to answer for theist . I did what you should done yourself like I have done before now .

You are making it seem I'm the one making the god claims despite what I explained.

Please don't do this .

LoLz! I am not sure why my response is being seen as an attack. Of course I know you are not the one making the claims.

Negroid001:
Read what accompanied the original post. Ain't replying Athiests and religious extremists.
If you know all, keep it to yourself. Ain't trying to prove I'm smarter than anyone. You don't believe in a higher intelligence? Good for you. Keep it to yourself.

Said earlier my mind is open like a sponge. And i will always correct myself.
Someone said my views were more of Deism, i said fine, that is what it is.

What are ya'll trying to brew up again?

I didn't even respond to you so what are you on about?

Workch:
the picture is a false dichotomy. It's no that straight forward

How are 4 sections a dichotomy? LMFAO!

triplechoice:
The word,. God or "creator",are descriptive terms which some theist are using to describe what they conclude is responsible for the world we live in .

Others have concluded differently .

For those ones , the universe itself. is its own "creator" .nothing external..

Buddism is one religion holding on to that . They don't believe an external being is responsible for our world .

So no coherent non-ambiguous answer.

Workch:
lol 🤣

So why are you talking about pictures that you showed me?

To show you how simple it is and how you keep fucking up something so simple. Even now you cannot show where I said I disbelieve not even in that simple picture but you keep saying I disbelieve. You are so obstinately wrong it is sad. LoLz.

Workch:
I put to you that you are confused, LordReed.

You really do not know that you think. The last time we had this conversation, you agreed that you were an igtheist and not I'm seeing agnostic atheist.

What's actually your position? 🤣

Dude quote where I said I am an igtheist. LMFAO!

Workch:
It's equivalent.

The is a house, inside of this house is the believe, outside of it is disbelieve, there are places that cannot be regard as inside of the house like within the wall, in the roof (technically), an ant some within the spaces of the roof is roofing sheet is neithet inside or outside.

Lumping all parts of the house as inside of the house is a false dichotomy and it's flawed

LMFAO! I lumped all parts of the house as inside the house because I said the rat is not inside the house and it's not outside the house? Bwahahahahaha! OMFD!

Workch:
You showed me a picture to disbelieve just like theists show me the bible to believe 😅😅

Point out in the picture where it says disbelieve.

Workch:
I have dude, there's no point going back and forth.
You are an agnostic atheist, it's easy to understand what that means and to know that it's different from pure agnosticism.

Yes very easy, I even showed you a picture but you kept getting it wrong.

Workch:
Really, you think I think that Pascal's wager is valid?

Is that what you could comprehend from that?

Damn 😂😂

And if you think anything I said is equivalent to Pascal's wager then you definitely need tweaks to your reasoning.

Workch:
I don't need to quote, you an agnostic atheist.

You can figure it out yourself 😂

I sure can, I just don't think you are willing to figure it out.

Workch:
This is a Pascal's wager, if we follow your logic.

Pascal's wager lumps all religion together. He argued that it's better to believe in God because you will have nothing to lose if God does not exist.

Pascal's argument is a typical example of a false dichotomy and its as flawed as your argument because he refused to see the difference options. You cannot lump all the house together just the way pascal lumped all religions together.

You will be reaching a very illogical conclusion of you do that, you will never see the true picture.

If you think Pascal's wager is valid then you have crippled yourself intellectually.

Workch:
Also maybe you can't understand simple English to know that an agnostic atheist is different from an agnostic.

The difference is that, both do not claim to know if a god exist or not, but agnostic atheists go further to take a position by disbelieving it. Agnostic do not disbelieve or believe it either.

I have tried explaining this to you and even a primary two student would have gotten it. 😂😂😂

This is the same you who cannot quote where I said I disbelieve. Bwahahahahaha!

And just like I predicted banging his head on atheist. LMFAO!

Workch:
So if the rat is not outside of the house, does that automatically means that the rat is inside the house?

Now put it together, is the rat outside or inside the house? The rat is not outside or inside the house. It's just a nonsensical semantic dribble.

Workch:
Yes, atleast we have evidence of rats living inside a wall, there's no evidence for atheism 🤣🤣🤣

Lol 😅😅😅😅

Ah yes the famous DSTV channel, off TV. LMFAO!

Workch:
If you are an atheist, our position is not the same.

Why is that hard for you to grasp?

Maybe because you can't understand English when I say I am an AGNOSTIC atheist who holds the exact same position as you. I know you are going to bang your head on the atheist part and ignore the agnostic part while accusing me of cherry picking. Bwahahahahaha!

Workch:
another whataboutism fallacy 😂

Atheists eat fallacies like food just like theists when they meet a superior argument.

LoLz! As superior as a rat running inside walls. Bwahahahahaha!

Workch:
Bros, atheism is not scientific.
Science works with evidence and not with disbelieve like atheism does.

It's simple, and I have proven that. No atheist has provided any evidence and we are in the 17th page of this thread 😂

I asked you asimple question: what am I supposed to prove if my position and yours are exactly the same. You still can't answer it because that will also show you are on a pointless semantic ramble.

Workch:
It's false dichotomy.

You are only working with two option of either believe or disbelieve.
You are incapable of comprehending the fact that some people called agnostics don't fall into these two categories.

You have to reset your brain to admit it 😂

LoLz. You that can't admit simple glaring mistakes? Bwahahahahaha!