Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 5:37pm On May 13, 2023 |
ValeeLove: what would you expect her to say? I mean she says she loves you. Isn't that enough? How would she show this criteria? Give me an example. What is the point of these line of questions? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 5:36pm On May 13, 2023 |
ValeeLove: does he really need to? I mean it's there in your dictionary. So, evidence? What kind? Yes since there may be some discrepancy in what humans are calling a god, I'd like to hear from the horse's mouth. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 5:20pm On May 13, 2023 |
ValeeLove: "tentatively sit down without putting all my weight on it IN CASE IT FAILS". Truth is we use blind faith daily without even knowing. But I get your point. Well good for you if you use blind faith, I strive not to, including for gods and spirits. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 5:19pm On May 13, 2023 |
ValeeLove: you'd know it is spiritual cos it will be real but cannot be understood by your natural mind. That does not help me understand anything about what you are saying. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 3:25pm On May 13, 2023 |
ValeeLove: how would you examine the chair? Check to see the legs are complete, straight, with no cracks and flat on the ground. Shake the chair to establish it is sturdy. Next put a hand on the seat and press down to ascertain it can support weight. Then finally tentatively sit down without putting all my weight on it in case it fails. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 3:22pm On May 13, 2023 |
ValeeLove: so if a lady told you she loved you, how would you know she was telling the truth? She will first tell me what she means by that and then she will show that she fulfills the criteria of what she is saying. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 3:16pm On May 13, 2023 |
ValeeLove: yes, because that experience is spiritual. What evidence will he have to show you to convince you that he was God (the creator of the universe), if you're actually being sincere? So how would I know the experience is spiritual when I don't know what spiritual is? First he would have to tell me what a god is and how he fulfills the criteria before showing me evidence that matches the criteria. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 10:14am On May 13, 2023 |
ValeeLove: so you've never been scammed before? You've never sat on a chair without checking if it was strong enough to carry you? I have been scammed before and it was because I believed the scammer instead of checking. The times I do check a scammer's claims I didn't fall for the scam. If I was going to sit on a chair I have never sat on before of course I am going to check it can carry my weight or that it is stable enough to sit on. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 12:29am On May 13, 2023 |
ValeeLove: my earlier quote should have actually been "you don't know all you believe", I'm sorry, I edited it. But it's also true, if it wasn't how come people make mistakes and fall into wrong relationships they believed in so much. Face facts, we can't do without blind belief. You didn't see the 8 planets with your tangible eyes and you didn't use the phone for a long period of time to ascertain if it was healthy before you agreed to buy it:; IT WAS MERE BLIND BELIEF. You think checking the specs of the phone and the Samsung phone health app is blind belief? You have a strange definition of blind belief. People fall into scams and other stuff they should have checked well because they want to believe. I don't see that as a good recommendation for living by beliefs. Why should I live by beliefs when I can live by knowing and investigating? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 12:25am On May 13, 2023 |
ValeeLove: so if God appeared to you physically of sort, and introduced himself as God, would you believe? Remember even at that state there is no scientific evidence to back you up, cos cameras can't catch it and recorders can't get the audio. So would you? No. The god still needs to show evidence that he is who he says. Cameras can't catch what I am seeing with my eyes? Why? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 11:08pm On May 12, 2023 |
ValeeLove: let's be frank, you don't believe everything you know, you know right? How do you know there are 8 planets, for instance? You haven't seen them before, have you? But you believed anyway. You don't know everything you believe. How did you know the phone you purchased from the store was authentic? You hadn't used it before for a long period of time, had you? You still believed. Now check this, there is a being existing outside this physical realm and to know him all you have to do is believe him. If you could blindly believe like in those 2 examples I gave, and how you do in your daily life, you definately can believe in a deity that created all things, who's sign of existence exists around you daily. Of course I don't believe everything I know, it's a foolish person who believes everything. Which is one of the reasons I don't find belief to be particularly useful. It is a placeholder for unproven things and often the gateway for scams. I know there are planets, the 8 that are considered so in this solar system and many others elsewhere because there is evidence. I know the phone I purchased is genuine because I examined it before I bought it. As you can see I did not blindly believe in the 2 examples you gave so I will also not blindly believe in your god concept. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 10:41pm On May 12, 2023 |
ValeeLove: fine. That's fair. So let's start from here, why don't you believe in the spirit realm, despite things you've heard? Because I have no evidence necessary to know that such a thing exists. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 4:02pm On May 12, 2023 |
ValeeLove: so there's a problem right here because we know God is a spirit and therefore His existence cannot be proven through physical means. We don't know any such thing. You can claim you know but such a claim does not extend to us. Claims about the nature of the god you are trying to portray as existing are just part of the things we don't believe. |
Christianity Etc › Re: When A Trans Person Murders Christian Schoolchildren by LordReed(m): 3:39pm On May 12, 2023 |
OLAADEGBU: Bombs are to be blamed not suicide bombers - LordReed reasoning  Sure, if it would lead to less bombs and less suiciders. Unlike you thoughts and prayers crew who are satisfied with sticking a thumb up your arses and calling it a day. |
Christianity Etc › Re: When A Trans Person Murders Christian Schoolchildren by LordReed(m): 3:36pm On May 12, 2023 |
KnownUnknown: You are wasting your time with this dude. He can’t even recognize the inherent racism is the nonsensical cartoons he posts because he is just parroting American right wing talking points without thinking. They deny reality while trying to drag you into a conversation to validate their delusions. Christianity and white supremacy are entwined in conservative circles and mindless people like Olaadegbu would sing hallelujah while their christian brethren marches them into gas chambers. This is good christian Tucker Carlson from one of his cartoons:
According to the Times, Carlson wrote in the message: "A couple of weeks ago, I was watching video of people fighting on the street in Washington. A group of Trump guys surrounded an Antifa kid and started pounding the living s**t out of him. It was three against one, at least. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It's not how white men fight. Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they'd hit him harder, kill him. I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it." Stop spoiling my fun! LMAO! I know he is just parroting nonsense, that's his MO but I do have fun holding up a mirror so he can see his nonsense reflected. Sometimes I see the wheels turning in his head though. |
Christianity Etc › Re: When A Trans Person Murders Christian Schoolchildren by LordReed(m): 1:29pm On May 12, 2023 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: When A Trans Person Murders Christian Schoolchildren by LordReed(m): 11:11am On May 12, 2023 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by LordReed(m): 10:27am On May 12, 2023 |
FreeSpirited: Things unseen are greater, more, and profound than things you can ever see .
When your eyes is opened, I speak the truth, By God you will know faith is greater than any REASON u can get..... .. Even science was revealed. Anything not revealed will never see the light in the physical realm. It's the reason u shouldnt despise knowledge gotten from revelation. . There are different levels to knowing, different levels to revelation, And are different kind of knowledge. Seek the greatest Knowledge Not the deception from devil himself Imagine equating science to God....u people are lost.... The low level Satanic angel if served can dymistify science in minutes, let alone God... . You people think too much of ursef Abi the grand purpose of life is science Abi? Smh Actually, you rather sound like you are full of yourself. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists This Message Is For You Guys. by LordReed(m): 10:04am On May 12, 2023 |
ValeeLove: WHAT WILL IT TAKE YOU TO BELIEVE THAT GOD TRULY EXISTS? I TRULY WANT TO KNOW. First I don't see the point of belief. If something exists then it is better to know that it does exist than to believe it does. With that in mind, anything that will ascertain to me and impart to me the knowledge that the god exists. Such things as we usually use to ascertain that a human is actual would constitute the prepondance of what would bring me to acceptance. |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Woman Photographs Something Amazing From An Airplane In The Middle Of A Storm by LordReed(m): 9:52am On May 12, 2023 |
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Education › Re: Zulu Maiden Flashes Her Panties While Celebrating On Graduation Stage by LordReed(m): 9:37am On May 12, 2023 |
Yugoslavia247: Some people think a culture is weird because it is not theirs. Same people practice Female genital mutilation. Deadly Tribal marks 😹. Then u open ya mouth to say shit
Some people will just talk like some people above me.
This is SA cultural dance.
It is a daily phenomenon there.
If displaying her culture makes perverts have erection then it is no more a case of mental illness but urgent spiritual deliverance under cele brooms Outrage sells, even if it is for inconsequential or silly things. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by LordReed(m): 9:33am On May 12, 2023 |
FreeSpirited: You dey mind them... All those baby philosophers that devil has blocked their spiritual eyesight. . Philosophy and science is the most useless and limited way of knowing God. Fooolish immortals thinking they are wise... . Science is just an infinitesimal fraction of knowledge in the grand scheme of knowing, gotten through the senses and revealed by certain low cadre angels in many cases..... . Some of this ignorant boys don't even know science has its realm in the low level of the spiritual...but they will come here to spew jargons and philosophy they don't even have idea. And believe is the ultimate knowledge.....lost souls. .. What you guys need is humility....and acceptance of the limitation of Man...that's the first step to knowledge. (Anyway, I was like that before. His eyes will open someday) We accept that we are limited, on the other hand people like you claim esoteric knowledge so between us who is the humble one? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Debunking Christianity Series: An Essay On The True Nature Of Good And Evil by LordReed(m): 9:29am On May 12, 2023 |
kkins25: Good and Evil are opposing sides of an ideological concept; however, not many acknowledge their biological nature. For instance, the dominant religions of the earth, that is, the branches of Judaism, or rather, Abrahamism, do not acknowledge the evolutionary nature of good and evil. Many argue that Good and Evil are absolute but, they deliberately or ignorantly abolish the visible contortions of the concepts throughout history and from civilization to civilization.
Together, good and evil can be fused into 'morality,' a subject so malleable that on one side of the earth, the death of Russian civilians are welcomed with jubilation, thus good. On other parts of the earth, the cold bodies of Ukrainians, thrown into mass graves are a mighty cause for celebration. But, to fully comprehend what morality is, we must seek out Dr. Strange to guide us back in time. We must journey back into the fabrics of the cosmos, and descend down into earth so young, YHWH, the Christian's supreme deity, could move to and fro as he pleased. But, before we enjoy the remarkable view of the earth; the green shades; the high mountains; the wars; the victories; and the wonderful tales it holds, lets us warp further through the curvature of time and space. A time when the solar system was without form, and the universe was nothing larger than a basketball and governed by one rule--and one rule alone, "The Theory of Everything."
The mechanics of the universe are not our current concern, but, bear in mind, that we shall form a court in the future where we humans shall judge the Gods, angels, demons, and every creature that played a role in the creation of the cosmos as claimed by some. The bone we must chew on is that which challenges the creation of good and evil. The question we must ask is...
WHO CAME FIRST, GOD OR GOOD AND EVIL? Yes, you might think me a madman and I urge you to not. Instead, think of me as a little child who knows nothing but is tasked to know as much as he can if he cannot learn everything. At first glance, we might want to wear the shoes of DJ Khaled and yell, "God Did." I would love to believe that was the case, however, the logos, the cosmic force behind the creation of ALL, rages at ideas and cheap remarks like "God did."
God, according to common definitions, is the grand master of creation. The potter who out of nothing made the cosmos as it was, and as it is. I do not intend to also question the character of God, but, allow me to ask, Is it possible for God to be good and evil? Remember, unlike God, Good or Evil are ideological concepts that may or may not require the shelter of the mind. Therefore, we must ask ourselves,
1) What makes God good? 2) For one to be evil, the definition of evil must be understood, and the same for the perpetrator of evil and the victim of evil. This means Good and Evil must be absolute and remain the same whether the cosmos, universe, God, or humans exist. 3) God couldn't have created good or evil because they are not things. Even if he did, then they wouldn't be absolute. Let me explain, supposing you take three people; one is color blind, the other cannot see the color blue, and the last is with vision intact. To the color blind person, a sunflower will not be of yellow color; to the second, the sunflower would also not be of the yellow color; but the last person will confirm the yellowness o the sunflower.
Let us assume the color of the sunflower is absolute, it means, it will remain yellow, even if all three people argue that it isn't yellow. Now, let us draw our attention back to the defendant, God.
If God defines what is Good or Evil, how do we know God isn't color-blind, and giving us a construed version of good and evil? In other words, can we trust God, to define the terms of good and evil? Surely not!
You might argue that since God is the creator, then, he is the creator of good and evil. But, that assumes there is also one God. How about there were 2000 Gods? Can one God be good to another God, or can God-A call God-B evil? What is the importance of this argument? This further necessitates why God must be summoned to the pulpit and must stand trial.
You should and must consider, if you have any iota of truth in you, that if we leave God to define the rules, then how can we tell we haven't been enslaved by God? Could this be why he didn't want Adam to take from the Tree of Good and Evil? Did Adam truly commit any crime? How can any crime be committed when there are no rules defined? Even so, why should Adam be convicted of a crime when he was no different from a 2-year-old baby who didn't know left from right?
Now for the deal breaker...
4) If God created Good and Evil, then God himself didn't know Good and evil until it was created. It's either He didn't create it or he did. If he did then we can deduce that God is subject to his own creation which is good. Since he cannot do Evil, then he set a limit on himself and is subject to that limit. Did God create Good and Evil, or did they Create God? Excellent. |
Christianity Etc › Re: When A Trans Person Murders Christian Schoolchildren by LordReed(m): 9:00am On May 12, 2023 |
OLAADEGBU: All Demon-crats are mentally ill criminals.  LMAO! E pain am! Bwahahahahaha! |
Christianity Etc › Re: What God Cannot Do by LordReed(m): 8:38am On May 12, 2023 |
TheSourcerer: Exactly nothing changes about "Him" don't you find this skin crawling? Except the god changes when they need him to. LoLz. That unchanging bs is cover for those things they don't want changed. |
Christianity Etc › Re: When A Trans Person Murders Christian Schoolchildren by LordReed(m): 8:36am On May 12, 2023 |
OLAADEGBU: Criminals should not have access to guns but how are you going to stop them, gun control?  LMAO! @ the equating of gun control to communist dictatorship. I guess Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the whole of Europe are all under communist dictatorship. Bwahahahahaha! |
Christianity Etc › Re: When A Trans Person Murders Christian Schoolchildren by LordReed(m): 8:33am On May 12, 2023 |
OLAADEGBU: Criminals should not have access to guns but how are you going to stop them, gun control?  Are mentally ill people criminals? |
Christianity Etc › Re: When A Trans Person Murders Christian Schoolchildren by LordReed(m): 5:36am On May 12, 2023 |
OLAADEGBU: I knew you will blame it on the gun instead of the shooter. Yet you think everyone should have access to guns. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What God Cannot Do by LordReed(m): 5:34am On May 12, 2023 |
MightySparrow: God the creator is definite no need for renewal. You may not understand Him. Nothing changes about Him. Link 1 article. |
Christianity Etc › Re: When A Trans Person Murders Christian Schoolchildren by LordReed(m): 10:38pm On May 11, 2023 |
OLAADEGBU: Did you see Obiden shooting his foot?  Nope, I saw you shotgun yours to pieces. LMAO! |
Christianity Etc › Re: What God Cannot Do by LordReed(m): 8:26pm On May 11, 2023 |
MightySparrow: You don't seem to get my last post. I said cast some doubts not debunk. However, let them be analysing the new evidences. No knowledge of science is final. One breakthrough leads to another question. No research is ever, forever true. Tell me one. I did get your point and I told you I can't find the doubt. Can you link 1 article? Science has never declared itself one and done like religion does, why do you expect it to be? |
Health › Re: Baby Born From Three People's DNA In UK First by LordReed(m): 6:14pm On May 11, 2023 |
MrBrownJay1: bro imagine the future, where people can choose whatever DNA that comes to their mind?! imagine people that can decide that their child should have DNA of the top people out there...DNA of Messi/CR7/Lebron, sir Lewis Hamiltom, or even DNA of MJ, Prince, Jay Z, Beyonce for their future children, where is the limit to this madness of messing with DNA and choosing for aestethics what your future child should be?
you think Africans would choose to have BLACK children (instead of Lightskin), if they could choose complexion of their children? you think Africans would choose to have children with nappy hair (instead of straight hair), if they could choose hair of their children? you think people would choose to have dumb kids if they could choose the intelligence of their children? you think people would choose to have short/fat children, if they could choose the outlook of their kids? The fact is it is inevitable if the techniques are perfected and show no deleterious signs. And also if the techniques are affordable enough the way IVF or plastic surgery is affordable. We are going to need regulation no matter what. |