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FxMasterz:
That's an inference and not an insult.

This is because you can't tell me you didn't find anything in those places except you want to lie to yourself.

If anyone tells me that my Christianity is self deceit, I'll simply prove to that person that it's not. I won't see that as an insult

An inference you made without any evidence since my only response was a question so who is deceiving themselves? You obviously. You deceived yourself so thoroughly you started making up excuses that the government was suppressing a video. Big time self deceit.

FxMasterz:
I didn't insult you. Point out my insult.

What is the statement: "Then your Atheism is obviously self deceit"?

FxMasterz:
And you found nothing when you visited? Then your Atheism is obviously self deceit. Or what made you ignore the things you saw?

LoLz. So now it's on to insults? It's ok, I think you need time to calm down, something is obviously getting to you.

Emusan:
Definitely!



This is very funny

You forgot that these cells are unconscious living cells? But see them acting intelligently.

How does the egg know that sperm cell is around before releasing the chemical?

Sure the egg releases a chemical but the sperm cell knows exactly where it's going and what to do. As this process takes place at the far end of the fallopian tube.

It's not the chemical released by the egg that taught the sperm cell how to swim or inform the sperm cells how to increase its speed.

They are not acting, they are reacting. There is no intelligence to their reactions, they simply following chemical trails and reacting according to the chemical nature of their structures.

Neither the ovum or the sperm know anything they are simply work according to how they are put together. The ovum releases a chemical as soon as it enters the fallopian tube and protein receptor on the sperm are triggered by the chemical causing the sperm to follow the trail based on the concentration of chemicals in its environment.

I don't need this long story, as this doesn't address my point.

It addresses your point completely since you seem to be arguing against the chemical nature of DNA and its interactions.

The fusion of the 22 autosomes and X-Y chromosome where each chromosome knows exactly which one to align and fuse with is my point.

Which is a chemical reaction. The molecules making up the DNA bind with molecules from another set of DNA. There is no code or instructions beyond what those reactions cause.

They fused (or going by word "interact" with each other.

If not a goat won't give birth to abnormal foetus when a man slept with it.



Yes! The instructions in their DNA are not compatible. Reason abnormal foetus will be delivered. But embryo will form.

A human sperm will not fertile goat ovum naturally. No foetus will be formed.

The very DNA sequences is the instructions which tell each DNA how many times to replicate and when to stop replicating. All these instructions are programmed into the DNA.

So when a goat and human DNA come together the instructions will be distorted.

Remember, if this are just ordinary chemical reaction carried out by unconscious living cells there will always be a problem.

They are only called instructions and code to simplify their interaction when presenting to laymen, the passage i quoted shows the more technical way of describing it. The reaction of DNA follows the chemical composition of the genes forming the DNA. Human chromosome and goat chromosome cannot fuse because the chemical make-up are not compatible.

You don't even need lab to know a human sperm cell can fertilised goat egg but the outcome will be very terrible.

You do need a lab because that is the only way to rearrange the DNA sequences so that they are compatible, this does not happen naturally.

They do!

because you just agreed above that egg releases a chemical which the sperm cell will decode.

Is that not sending and receiving signal?

Apologies, I meant to write instructions not signals.

FxMasterz:
I'm not saying you should believe the story. I'm only saying that you shouldn't dismiss it as false just because it's not available online.

If you need any evidence of God's miracles, visit those places you were directed to.

Then why did you mention the story?

Who told you I haven't?

Emusan:
Chemical structure don't receive instructions or send either.

No, chemical structures do not send or receive instructions.

Yes! They don't ATTRACT to each other because of chemicals but follow the instructions sent to them.

They totally do.

Sperm cells, bacteria and other microscopic organisms use varying concentrations of chemicals in their environment -- concentration gradients -- to approach or avoid something in a process called chemotaxis. Egg cells release an attractant chemical, which lures the sperm. The researchers studied this action in Ascidia -- sea squirts, brainless tubular creatures, which are only mobile as larvae.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/11/181115104608.htm

DNA don't react with each other but fused and a new code is generated that caused effect we see.

I gave you example of human and goat.

If it's just ordinary chemical reaction, then when a human sperm come in contact with a goat, it should have produced perfect structure.

DNA is short for D eoxyribo N ucleic Acid clearly indicating it is a chemical structure. And the the thing you are calling code is just how it reacts to other chemicals based on the arrangement of the protein molecules,

Read more:
The chemical DNA was first discovered in 1869, but its role in genetic inheritance was not demonstrated until 1943. In 1953 James Watson and Francis Crick, aided by the work of biophysicists Rosalind Franklin and Maurice Wilkins, determined that the structure of DNA is a double-helix polymer, a spiral consisting of two DNA strands wound around each other. The breakthrough led to significant advances in scientists’ understanding of DNA replication and hereditary control of cellular activities.

Each strand of a DNA molecule is composed of a long chain of monomer nucleotides. The nucleotides of DNA consist of a deoxyribose sugar molecule to which is attached a phosphate group and one of four nitrogenous bases: two purines (adenine and guanine) and two pyrimidines (cytosine and thymine). The nucleotides are joined together by covalent bonds between the phosphate of one nucleotide and the sugar of the next, forming a phosphate-sugar backbone from which the nitrogenous bases protrude. One strand is held to another by hydrogen bonds between the bases; the sequencing of this bonding is specific—i.e., adenine bonds only with thymine, and cytosine only with guanine.

The configuration of the DNA molecule is highly stable, allowing it to act as a template for the replication of new DNA molecules, as well as for the production (transcription) of the related RNA (ribonucleic acid) molecule. A segment of DNA that codes for the cell’s synthesis of a specific protein is called a gene.

DNA replicates by separating into two single strands, each of which serves as a template for a new strand. The new strands are copied by the same principle of hydrogen-bond pairing between bases that exists in the double helix. Two new double-stranded molecules of DNA are produced, each containing one of the original strands and one new strand. This “semiconservative” replication is the key to the stable inheritance of genetic traits.
https://www.britannica.com/science/DNA


BTW the reason a human sperm will not interact with a goat's ovum is because the DNA sequences are incompatible with one another thus they cannot react in the manner that will cause an embryo to form. Maybe in a lab you can cause it to happen but it won't naturally.

What is the origin of the instructions cells received to build a structure?

They do not send or receive signals remember.

FxMasterz:
Before it can get online, the Egyptians are the ones who'll post it. Since the internet was still at its developing stage at the time of the incident, coupled with government suppression and the anti-christian stance of the populace, it's easy to conceal the evidence.

So how are we supposed to believe a story you can provide no evidence for?

FxMasterz:
I told you how the story was attacked by then by Egyptian authorities.

How does that affect the evidence for the story?

Cookoo alarm sounding.

FxMasterz:
The story about the baby fish was not part of the discussion. I told that story to prove that things get buried. You're now telling me to find evidence for something I told you i searched all over but couldn't find online. Meanwhile I read the story in 92

Ask elders around you, he said no. I guess he doesn't have elders. Create a front page worthy Nairaland thread on it and ask for elderly inputs, he said no.

You guys should let
me be.

I am not referring to that story. I am referring to the Egyptian story. Where is the evidence for the story?

FxMasterz:
Yeah it was a video broadcast. I thought you were referring to some YouTube video Documentary.

Regarding evidence, read what I discussed with maynman.

It's funny how when ever we get to evidence the story starts twisting and turning to no avail. You are the one who brought the story but you want us to go find the evidence. For the story you told, we should find the evidence for you. SMH.

Dunionk30:
I'm sure if you were an Atheist Turned to Christian ,by now you would have had someone mention he or she wants to help you.

But quite funny, No Atheist not even a single one that might have read your Matter have offered to talk about help here ..Chai! Does it means that Atheist does not help one another?

U are on your own Oooo, Be like say Atheist are all heartless. .Maybe they sent you a message off here...

The OP literally said all he wants is words of encouragement, why are you wailing more than the bereaved?

KnownUnknown:
One of the insidious attributes of religion is that it increases the propensity of people to believe bullshit.

Religious indoctrination obviously damages people’s capacity to reason clearly but how will they realize it when they are swimming in bullshit and calling it pristine waters.

E.g. If you have been reared to believe that some god wants your “tithes”, you will believe the two bit conman standing in front you and pilfering your pocket is a “man of god” and not an obvious scammer.

And you are taught to not question him as he lives a life style more lavish than even he dreamed of.

FxMasterz:
Tell me how you fast checked the rebuttal. Everything that writer claimed up there to refute the story can be concocted by anyone. Just tell me how you fast checked it.

Secondly i.never mentioned any video documentary. I said there was a broadcast.

If you say he concocted it then provide the evidence. We can't find any evidence to support your story so why should we believe it?

Reread what you wrote:
There was a documentary aired in Egypt some years back about a woman who was killed by her husband for converting to Christianity. The woman was buried, and her 2 children buried alive in the same grave with her. One was a baby. The documentary aired how the children survived the ordeal. The elder child narrated how someone in white would come visiting them and see to it that they feed. The broadcaster in her hijab while casting the news shed tears as she said 'Only Jesus can do this.'

Kindly tell me how this does not indicate it was a video broadcast.

FRANCISTOWN:
4. Let's assume now that I'm very stupid to believe that the boy was really reinvigorated by some supernatural power. Why not take this supernatural power to the morgues and registered mortuaries or is your god shy?

5. Pastors are dying and bishops are being killed by kidnappers, people who are faithfool to your God are dying, he refused to save TB Joshua yet he raised a "Yahoo" boy.

Your god must be interested in the Yahoo that the boy is doing. Maybe he brings a fat offering into the church

The god works in mysterious ways (read that as this is all bullshit). LMAO!

FxMasterz:
The Egyptian story was not proven to be a hoax, the writer made a statement and you believed it because it resonated well with you.

He didn't find anything on the internet about it, so he concluded it never happened. That's laughable.

I read about a baby fish caught by Russian navigators in 1992 during the gulf war. I read it myself and followed the news myself in 1992.

A human baby covered with scales was caught in the sea. The Russians brought it ashore and wanted to take it inland to some labs but the baby fish spoke to them in Russian and warned them to return him into the sea immediately. He threatened to level the whole of Russia if they fail to do so. They returned him quickly out of fear. The image of the baby fish is still live in my memory as I type. Meanwhile, I've searched all over the internet to refresh my memory of that event. The news is nowhere to be found. ChatGPT told me it never happened. I would have believed if I had not read the news myself. You can keep deceiving yourself until you know that you'll be allowed to see only what the mainstream media and governments want you to see.

CC: maynman

Did you note this part:

As to where the story came from, while a number of the forwards identify as the writer of the e-mail a woman whose husband is a Christian pastor who runs a Muslim outreach program in the U.S. (and therefore as the one both providing and vouching for the story), some of the earliest versions that bear her name led off with this now-elided paragraph:

I don't want to wait until our next newsletter to get this story out to you. It begins as a tragedy but ends as an incredible miracle. Victor received this by email a few days ago (5/20/04), and talked with family in Egypt to confirm the details that were given there on the news.

A careful reading of that preface provides the information that the putative author did not pen the written account now so often attributed to her — the piece was instead something her husband received from an unnamed source.

You claimed there is a video documentary of these series so how come it is no where to be found?

LMAO! You sound like one of those people who believe that the Russians dug a hole to hell. The story is they dug a hole so deep and when they lowered mics into it they could here screaming of people in torment.

You tell stories with no way for fact check and when we refuse to believe such stories you get angry. Well you really can't fault us when you can't provide the evidence to back up your tales.

FxMasterz:
I don't have a flair for worldly entertainments and pleasures, so I don't have the names of celebrities off hand. But a simple Google query should give you tons of answers. Recently, a celebrity said she was born blind and was eventually healed by the Lord Jesus after her parents committed themselves to prayers. I didn't watch the YouTube video because such miracles don't surprise me. Right here on Nairaland you'll find a lot of testimonies. There's a current testimony on Nairaland of a Yahoo boy who died and met Jesus, and was instructed to go preach the gospel. I didn't watch the YouTube too. Whenever I hear of Jesus performing miracles, I don't get curious because I've seen a lot of them. I just know it's one of those things Jesus does.

There was a documentary aired in Egypt some years back about a woman who was killed by her husband for converting to Christianity. The woman was buried, and her 2 children buried alive in the same grave with her. One was a baby. The documentary aired how the children survived the ordeal. The elder child narrated how someone in white would come visiting them and see to it that they feed. The broadcaster in her hijab while casting the news shed tears as she said 'Only Jesus can do this.'

Look, I don't want any unfruitful discussion with atheists. To me, they deliberately close their eyes and shut their senses away from reality in order to pursue some personal interests fueled by pride. I don't think I have to bother myself about such people.

How on Earth can any sane human being look around him after growing through many vivid spiritual and physical experiences, and confidently say there's no God? Whatever befalls such a person in the hereafter is a just retribution.

So we are just to believe any testimony without fact checking them? Like this your Egyptian story which was proved to be hoax, you mean we should have just accepted it as true even though it is actually false?

FxMasterz:
There are celebrities who have testified of miracles, each time they do, you call them liars.

Meanwhile, all those whom you mentioned up there are still serving God till today, but you're there using their headaches to determine the potency of Panadol.

I don't have time to be discussing and dragging unnecessary arguments. If you don't believe in God, then keep on to that. Don't disturb me with unnecessary questions.

I've come a long way already. I made the necessary sacrifices to seek God until I found Him. If you can't make the same sacrifices but chose to keep wallowing in self deceit, why should I be bothered? I can only tell you the truth as I've experienced it. If you say it's a lie, hold on to your own truth while I hold on to mine.

Can you name 5 celebrities who aren't pastors or ministers of the gospel in some way that have testified of miracles?

Emusan:
Smile....
From cell to chemical

Meanwhile, it's beyond just that.



If AN INTELLIGENT HUMAN puts Hydrogen and oxygen together under a SELECTIVE conditions (i.e in the laboratory). Don't forget that part.

Chimpanzee can't put Hydrogen and Oxygen together and in their habitation and get water.

Human sperm fertilising female goat egg won't come out in a reasonable structure even both are cells (or chemical reaction according to you).

You know why? because the instructions in their DNA to form goat or human are different.



That means you don't know what you're talking about. The instructions needed are already stored in the DNA.

The 22 female autosomes perfectly aligned with the male 22 autosomes.

Then the X - Y chromosome which is responsible for sex will do the same without missing it.

After this alignment is when fusion takes place where a new code will form that will build what is us.

Try to watch some "conception to birth" videos to understand this miracle especially one by Alexander Tsiaras

You can start from this thread

I am not sure what you are trying to contest here. Is it that you don't think living cells are chemical structures or that the gametes are "attracted" to one another because of chemicals or that DNA is a chemical structure that reacts with other chemical structures to produce the effects which we see. Which of these are you contesting?

FxMasterz:
Check everywhere including Nairaland. Jesus healing and performing miracles Is not a new phenomenon to anybody.

If you refuse to believe, then keep on diisbeliving. I won't answer unnecessary questions.

LoLz.

Emusan:
Gametes don't fuse but the chromosomes do.

So how can each chromosome locate and align with exact other chromosome, if not because it was designed that way?



I love this point, so if there's no conscious decision. How can this tiny tiny cells know exactly what to do in other to build what is us?



Good which means this unconscious living cells know exactly what to do without any external input. How come?

Because they chemical based and by the nature of our physical universe these chemical reactions follow a pattern without the need for any conscious intervention. If you put hydrogen and oxygen together you will get water, you don't need to instruct the atoms on what to do. Similarly the gametes will pair up because the underlying chemical reactions pave the way or are in effect, no instructions needed.

Emusan:
I mean the fusion that took place, who decided it?

You mean the fusion of the gametes? Aside from the decision to mate there is no other conscious decision being made.

By the foetus itself.



I know, but the foetus carries out the task.

Yeah, all living cells do that.

Emusan:
So who decided this VERY CONSIDERABLE infusion of energy?

I don't understand this question.

The only thing from the mother is the basic nutrients, the embryo comes prepared itself.

Basic nutrients convert into energy. And as basic as they are they are considerable, ask any pregnant woman.

thesicilian:
Lol
That is one of the idiosyncrasies of the Christian faith. But I think it boils down more to personal hypocrisies really. I personally would not ask for nor be too eager to accept help from someone whose belief systems are polar opposites of mine. Mostly because one day I may be obligated to return the favour in a manner that may not conform to my beliefs.

What business do you have with anyone who has made up his mind that everything you stand for is pure foolishness?

How does loving someone or letting them having something to take care of their needs go against your beliefs?

PARADIZEPRIEST:
COVER YA NOSE FOR 20MINUTES AND DONT BREATH GOD'S INVISIBLE AIR.
ONLY A FOOOOOL THINKS THERE IS NO GOD

How do you know it's your god that made the air?

Redoilbeta:
Hello, Does ones Personal Decision being an Atheist, Free thinker / Humanist Warrants family and Friends Withdrawing there Assistance / Help and Supports?

They said, I stopped believing in the god that Provides for them to assist me,then I should go and seek help from atheistism I Practised now.

I Practiced Christianity before, Now I'm an Atheist. Pls. The reason I Changed to be an Atheist is not the main reason for this thread.
I'm not the first and I'm not going to be the last, It happens. reasons best known to Individuals.

There are situations Atheists turned to Christians, Muslims,... Muslims Converts to Christianity. Christians Changed to Muslims, Babalawo/ Ogboni Fraters Becomes a Strong Evangelist / Pastors.. Everyone with his Personal Reasons. Not on here to Judge.

My Questions is that why must family and friends became so Annoyed, took it Personal To withdraw all there Help, Sack Me from Work,insults,Bully me.

Where are the Atheist in this Forum Pls. I need your Encouragement and Words.

They do it to coerce you back to their faith. In this part of the world its best to keep your nonbelief till you can stand on your own to avoid stuff like this.

If you can move out of that environment and start where you are not known.

A life well lived is the best revenge.

FxMasterz:
There's no anointing or power from any god as far as Christians are concerned. Yeah, they manifest power but they're inferior.

The anointing and power of God comes with visible evidences.

So where is the evidence of the millions you claimed have been healed? I asked for just a portion and you are yet to produce even that.

jaephoenix:
People believe in anything. Sometimes it clashes with their profession. I don't know how they handle it. I also wonder how an archaeologist or paleontologist believe in any god. Must be confusing for them cos their work relies on evolution and eschews creationism

Someone of them reconcile it by saying the god must have used evolution as the method of producing the diversity we see. The god was still the one that started life according to such beliefs.

CondenseMilk:
the size of the sperm cell that form you is approximately 50 micrometer

Likewise the egg it fertilized has a diameter of about 20mm.

But look at how big and heavy you are today with all the thousands of body parts.




Think about this !

After a very considerable infusion of energy. I hope you don't think an embryo just grows without help and resources from the mother.