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Buytruth:
Who's really delayed or hindered the Lord Jesus Christ the world Messiah and the Kingdom of God to come since 2,022 years ago.
In Daniel 7:13-14, 18, 22, 27. Says, I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
In Revelation 11:15. Says, And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Understand what's delayed and hindered the Lord Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God to come in this website.
https://apostleakf.site/donation

Jesus just stopped to give his horse food and water. He is coming soon™. LMFAO!

TenQ:
It is good you are exposing your fears:
You are afraid that that I want to use mathematical concepts to prove that higher dimensions actually exist!?

Therefore, you have shut down your reasoning faculties so that you'll not be proved wrong! Pity you?

Just place yourself in the 2D space and check your arguments: everyone in 3D space will laugh at your "educated ignorance"!

My goal:
To actually make you think before leaping!

LoLz. My fear? You are signalling as clearly as a traffic sign.

It is because my thinking faculties are working that I can see thorough your insipid attempt.

LMAO! What argument have I made that I need to check in 2D space? You've started dreaming again.

My thinking runs circles around you 20 times before breakfast.

TenQ:
My Questions were simple philosophical questions based on the thought scenarios I've painted. Did you see Jesus or God or Spirit in the Question? (Those may eventually come out but certainly not at this stage). I wonder what is scaring you with the questions?

Question:
1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?
2. What kind of experiments would you advise scientists in the 2D world conduct to prove the existence of the 3D space?
3. Let's assume that by some Stroke of massive intelligence, scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, would this knowledge be adequate in the 3D space?
4. We know that a person in a higher dimension can interact with those in the lower dimensions: is the converse possible?

LoLz. Where did I mention Jesus or god? You know what you are doing so keep trying to lie to yourself. Trying to use hypothetical mathematical concepts to prove that higher dimensions actually exist just shows how much you just want to believe, not that they actually point to any real thing.

TenQ:
Proving that you didn't even read a thing.


No one has argued reality or otherwise!
You have been given p
PHILOSOPHICAL questions to ponder on!

LoLz. Why lie to yourself? Your very first question is asking us to find it reasonable that higher dimensions exist or you don't understand what you wrote?

TenQ:
Spatial dimensions are axes of space that we can move through like the x, y, and z axis that we can move through.

Let's go on a journey of dimensions by imagining a 3D space (as we are familiar with it).

Existence in Zero Dimension:
Zero Dimension is just an infinitesimally small point within a 3D space. A person within a zero Dimensional space is static and he would believe he's alone in the whole universe. Words like velocity, distance, Area, Volume or Space would be nonsensical to him.

Existence in One Dimension:
One Dimension is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of zero dimensions in a straight line. A person within a one dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the X or y or z directions as these are meaningless to him. Measurements of distance, speed make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or space. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 1D.
A paradox:
even when he is seen from the 3D space as alined in x or y or xz directions, it is oblivious to him.

Existence in Two Dimensions:
A Two Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of one dimensions in a straight line stacked on upon the other. A person within a Two dimensional space within a 3D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 3D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xy or yz or xz planes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of area or volume or height. You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 2D.
Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed loop, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the loop without breaking the loop.
Of course, those of us who live within the 3D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 3rd dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Existence in Three Dimensions:
A Three Dimensional space is an assembly of infinitely large numbers of Two dimensions stacked on upon the other. A person within a Three dimensional space within a 4D space is unaware of the fact that he's in a 4D space. It is impossible for him to know if he's in the xyza or xyzb or xyzd volumes as these are meaningless to him.
Measurements of area or volume or height, displacement, velocity, volume, area density make sense to him, however, he cannot comprehend the meaning of anything outside the 3D.

Just as the person in the 1D or 2D space, You will find it difficult to convince him that it is possible to have a higher dimension than 3D.

Paradox:
When an object is placed in a closed volume, he believes that it is scientifically impossible to bring out the object from within the volume without breaking the volume.
Of course, those who live within the 4D space will laugh at his folly. When such a feat is done before him by someone in the 4th dimension, he concludes that it must be a miracle

Christians have always spoken about God, Angels, Demons and the Spiritual Realm which in this case is at dimensions higher than 3 dimensions. We cannot tell if their dimensions is the 4th or 5th or 6th....1000th.
Atheists understandably think that any dimension higher than 3D is a figment of imagination.

Note:
Time is NOT a dimension: time is a measure of intervals between events in 1D, 2D, 3D , 4D space


Question:
1. Is it reasonable to conclude unequivocally that higher dimensions than 3D do NOT exist in the Universe?
2. What kind of experiments would you advise scientists in the 2D world conduct to prove the existence of the 3D space?
3. Let's assume that by some Stroke of massive intelligence, scientists in the 2D space have perfect scientific knowledge of their space, would this knowledge be adequate in the 3D space?
4. We know that a person in a higher dimension can interact with those in the lower dimensions: is the converse possible?

Classic example of taking what is supposed to be hypothetical and believing it is real.

Jackanda1:
I understand what you are saying completely, but thats not the case.

There are certain things i understand now, that led to creating this thread; things that can never make me consider atheism again.

I am not saying you need to be an atheist but you are trying to get something that may be as ephemeral as an emotional high. Perhaps you should look for other ways to satisfy what you think is a spiritual need, something as simple as mindfulness meditation or just praise and worship with music in your privacy.

Dtruthspeaker:
You are the one who is unreasonable and even right now you are proving it.

LoLz. No, you.

Jackanda1:
You would understand my story if you check some of my posts.

I was a born again christian before declaring myself an atheist after readng comments and debates from atheist years ago.

I can remember askng for help about my faith on this forum, but all the advice didn't change anything. My heart had gone too far.

I later got into sexual sin and blasphemy. I didn't say any ill against the holy spirit, but God, Jesus, church, Bible and pastors.

I have had some bad experience that convinced me about the existence of God.

But here are my problems:

1. The bible, which i was the best thing in the world back then, is now a mere story book when i read it. No light atall.

2. Lack of interest in the things of GOD; church, Bible, etc

3. My repentance isn't sincere. No matter hard i try, i don't feel true remorse for my sins.

4. I don't have any faith. I dont even know what faith means anymore.

5. No sin conviction. Sin isn't a big deal anymore.

6. Prayin seems like talking to myself.

I'm i beyond repentance?

Have you thought that perhaps you are trying to get back something that is not real? Like trying to feel an emotional high all over again,

Dtruthspeaker:
First, my response was towards the op and not you. Secondly, it is known you are an evil thing and that when you see that all your evil arguments are batted aside, the next thing you will do is to insult God (blaspheme) like the true Satan indwelled you are.

Thus, you already know that all your falls and lying arguments and twistings will not work with me hence your inability to reasonably argue with me, unlike others who do not catch your evil doublespeak and word play.

You are not reasonable. LoLz.

Dtruthspeaker:
Are you yourself not good and evil?

Or for more accuracy, are you yourself not capable of doing both good and evil?

LoLz. Not interested in hashing out anything with you, you are incapable of being reasonable.

triplechoice:
Myths are not annoying. It's the attitude of those who take them literal these days that is annoying.

The ancients who created the myths never meant for them to be taken literally


Myths were employed by our primitive forbears either to indirectly inculcate certain cultural values in the minds of children before they become adults, or used as stopgap explanation for natural phenomenon

Origin myths, for instance, were meant to teach that the world has a beginning.

In the sciences, we have 'myths' too. Scientists would sometimes come up with some explanation, which are not fully supported by facts, to temporarily explain a certain happening pending the time it would be fully understood and a more rational explanation provided



So, the focus when it comes to mythical stories should be on the lessons behind them or what they're meant for, and not just the surface meaning alone, if not ,we miss the point and end up not being different from those who take such fictional tale as true narrative of what actually happened in the past.


Modified. The 'myths' in the two popular Abrahamic religion ,Islam and Christianity are a misinterpretation of the mythical stories in Judaism. So one cannot really take them as myths in the true sense of the word

I agree. Sometimes we confuse these stories for real life to our own detriment.

HappyPagan:
Na myth be this?

Some people no dey understand English for early morning. LMFAO!

bobestman:
Lol. That flood stories happened. A man and his family were the survivors. They later populated the earth and many migrated to form their own land or countries. This is why all have a story to tell about it. It can not just pop up that way. The stories might not look the same but they are all telling you about the flood. Go and do yours right. You are not talking to a dummy

So if I show you a story that has none of the elements you mention what would it mean to you?

bobestman:
Go and research it yourself. In all continent their is always a story of a flood in which a man and his family survived. It is not just a bible story. It is real!

It has been researched and it is not the case. Flood stories are as diverse as the cultures they come from, not one monolithic story that all of them share. Perhaps you should do your own research and stop regurgitating what some Christian apologist said.

bobestman:
Go and research it yourself. In all continent their is always a story of a flood in which a man and his family survived. It is not just a bible story. It is real!

True in every continent there are flood stories because in every continent there are large bodies of water capable of flooding so flood stories is not surprising. What would have been surprising is if all the flood stories are the same but they are not. Some cultures do not even have one, Japan for instance has no major flood story. Some do not contain gods. Some do not have a boat(s).

Dtruthspeaker:
First, your example is real living for we can reasonable foresee that your illustration is exactly how we shall describe that thing we call death.

Secondly, your responses are never honest. You are always laying a trap and it is a mistake for anyone to think that your response is honest and bonafide.

Thus, knowing you have something evil and sinister in mind whenever you speak, I pretty would not say much unless and until your mind (whether evil or otherwise) is revealed. Your evil mind and fame goes before you, so no one can assume or presume that your words are honest and bonafide.

My example wasn't about death but there is no use talking about it to you, that'll be an obvious waste of time.

jaephoenix:
Lol. A Christian archeologist digging up a 2 million year old Homo Erectus must really be confused. How can he reconcile that with his bible

They make it work for them, believing that evolution is an expression of their god's power and the bible is not quite literal.

Dtruthspeaker:
This does not make sense nor is it connected to my response, for first, I knowingly went to bed in my house at night

There is a big disconnection here for going by your illustration, It is either I wake up in my house or I wake up in the place which we already know before I slept that we call death.

Thus, you have moved post from understanding that the “spiritual” is just spiritual and not born out of curiosity or consciousness.

It is exactly as being under water is different from being above ground. 2 different worlds which you will know only when you get there.

I clearly wrote EXAMPLE, meant for illustrative purposes and not real life.

There is no disconnect, you simply do not what to answer in a straightforward manner. That I guess is my mistake in asking people like you questions, hoping you can have an honest conversation.

ChizzyBuna:
werey no go christ emBassy healing school
werey no go holy mountain go pray and fast for days
Him leave 9ja fake men of God, run go meet oyinbo the gods of science

werey don go uk hospital go collect better treatment
come dey say "pastor oyedepo spoke to my life"

i just pity the foolish members that cant afford to go to u.k for serious treatment
na annointing oil and church bangle sure for them

LMFAO! Na wetin these people no go gree understand, all this faith talk na for mouth. Na when dem jam big rock dem go no say water don pass garri. Bwahahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:
Because "need" is not a thing borne out of "curiosity" nor "consciousness"

Example: you slept in your bed last night peacefully, with no hint of danger or alarm. You wake up in the morning but your not in your bed nor are you in your house. In fact you are in a place you do not know or recognize. Finally, you see someone enter the space you are in and you do not know or recognize this person. The person says "do you have any questions?" What will be your response?

SeniorMan715:
Is it that you can't reason or you lack of comprehension, i thought you wanted to learn but no you just want to argue blindly. have a nice day.

LMAO! Simple question na im dey make you vex? Abeg park well. Bwahahahahaha!

SeniorMan715:
When birds wake up in the morning, they often chirp for a while and then fly off in search of food. In the evening, they return to their roosts, chirp a little more, and go to sleep. In certain seasons they mate, lay eggs, and raise their young. Other animals follow a similarly predictable pattern. We humans are different. True, we eat, sleep, and reproduce, but most of us are not content with just those things. We want to know why we are here. We seek meaning in our lives. We also desire a hope for the future. These deeper needs point to a quality that is unique to humankind​spirituality, or the need and capacity for spiritual things.

Telling me stories doesn't answer the question of how you know. Imagine you went to a fisherman to tell you how to catch fish and instead he starts telling you a story of his children eating fish. That's the equivalent of what you are doing.

SeniorMan715:
God created the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them.” Since God is a spirit, this refers, not to any physical likeness, but to a resemblance based on qualities held in common. Like his Creator, the first man, Adam, could value and display such qualities as unselfish love, kindness, compassion, justice, and self-control. He was also endowed with a conscience, an inner moral sense, to guide his use of free will in harmony with God’s laws. These characteristics made him different from the animal creation and uniquely equipped him to carry out his Creator’s will.
We thus realize that our life has meaning only to the extent that we do his will. Doing God’s will provides purpose in life, an aspect of our spiritual need that is as vital as our physical need for food, God’s will invigorated us, bringing us refreshment and satisfaction.

My question was about how you know.

It never was.

SeniorMan715:
* The existence of an orderly universe containing life points
to a Creator.
* As humans, we have an innate desire to understand the meaning and purpose of life, a type of hunger that can remain after our physical needs have been met. This is called “spiritual need,” which includes the desire to know and worship God. This spiritual need not only gives evidence that God exists but also indicates that he is a loving Creator who wants us to satisfy that need.

How do you know it is a “spiritual need” instead of just a result of our intense curiosity borne out of our consciousness?

Corridon:
Sorry Daddy. We are still waiting for your robust reply till date.

That will never come, forget it.

LoLz. As I saw this topic on FP I just knew it was jesusjnr2020, the mouthpiece of the god. Bwahahahahaha!

SojWORLDWIDE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLjMB7Bnvn8

A viral video emerged from the social media where an Apostle identified as Kassy Chukwu of Peniel International Church preaching from the Pulpit told his church members that the President-Elect, Asiwaju Bola Ahmed TINUBU ought to have been poisoned by his wife because he was too old to be the president of Nigeria, SOJ WORLDWIDE reported.

"How wish Jagaban wife poisoned Jagaban we for no dey do all these thing we dey do so, I no say make Im wife poison am o, I no say make she no still poison am.  Old man cannot lead us, old man cannot lead us."


He added that if the woman added small poison, Jagaban would not have witnessed the primary election.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRq0HF1NcLA

https://www.sojworldnews.com/big-story-tinubu-should-have-been-poisned-by-his-wife-apostle-kassy-chuckwu-video-plus-full-details/

This one wan trend. Na DSS go con carry you, your eye go clear.

Bullhari:
https://punchng.com/breaking-nigerian-actor-saint-obi-dies-after-protracted-illness/

Death of an era. Valar Morghulis. RIP.

ValeeLove:
you see, that's the problem. You can't believe what you don't know, so how do you ascertain he isn't a scammer. You claim you can't be scammed, but even the best of us can be. We only trust because we have to, not because we are a 100 % sure. This is where faith in God comes in; the Bible says he that comes to God must believe he exists and is a rewarder of those who deligently seek him. Bro, to KNOW God, you must first BELIEVE.

Kindly point out where I claimed I can't be scammed.

ValeeLove:
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1. To prove to you that you can actually believe in something you don't know.
2. Emotion and intellect is one of the ways of convincing an atheist that another civilization exists outside the physical. This is because the soul (mind) is a connection between the physical and spiritual realms. So if I ask you a question concerning emotions and thoughts and you can't explain them, it will serve as a semi-proof that the spirit world actually exists. You get what I'm saying? You see images in your head everyday, from what you've seen and what you haven't seen, how can you explain that? The spirit realm has something to do with it. You feel things, joy, fear, sadness; there are so strong and yet are not physical, cannot be seen. Can you explain that? The spirit realm has something to do with them.

The images I see "in my head" are function of my brain operation, it doesn't require "spirt realm" to explain. The emotions I feel are operations of the various organs and secretions they produce, also doesn't require "spirit realm" explanation. If you were hoping to use those as a reason to believe in something I don't know then you have been mistaken.

Femi8586:
Why would Elon Musk appoint a well known leftist?
Someone who is known for censorship, shadow banning and promotion of woke agenda of lgbdjtnsq+ people..

Twitter must not fall into the hands of those leftists again

LMAO. You guys are still not getting it that Elon is on a money making mission.