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johnydon22:
oga repent. Stop wishing ill on people. Jesus would not do that.

It's so galling to see someone so assiduously wish people who have done him no harm so much ill. Abi johny you steal im girlfriend? LMAO!

hupernikao:
- You are still mentioning manipulation but disagree with non free will. Manipulation is same as taking away free will. A will manipulated is no more free. Such freedom is in perception.

- Well, there is no dressing here, i only give you the Bible story. Joseph story is enough to clear this issue here, but i know you have your own hold and reasons but the scripture is clear.

God didnt manipulate Joseph brothers, even Jacob, even Pharaoh, even Potiphar and his wife etc. They are man's circumstances. Even Joseph was never manipulated yet God's will was fulfilled.

He doesnt need to manipulate to achieve is will, that is why he is God. That is what a god should be able to do. A God that needs manipulation to achieve things is no more a God but an impostor.

You know you arent considering the whole story of the bible, the reason you are coming to this conclusion. But i am pointing you to the fact that the death of Jesus was seen in the whole story of the Bible. In Abel, Joseph, Israelite, David.. You have to read and understand the whole message to get to an arrival point.


- Please do this.
Can you explain briefly what you think he could do to save himself within the situation?

People manipulate other people all the time, would you say they have lost their free will?

I am considering the whole bible that is why I am coming to that conclusion. Every bit of the bible stories indicate that your god supposedly orchestrates everything for his own ends. Typical example is the place you quote about Joseph. He says god made a bad situation to turn out for good, that is manipulation. Pharaoh was manipulated into hardening his heart. Job story is a story of manipulation. David was manipulated into numbering Israel. Ahab's death is a tale of manipulation. Israel's enemies were manipulated into attacking Israel as punishment from god for their sins. Almost every part of the bible attests to your god's penchant for manipulation. It even says god will cause people to be deluded so that they can be destroyed in the last days in the NT.

Kobojunkie:
I believe the dictionary definition below should work.

And why does she have less status?

Dtruthspeaker:
The more accurate question is WHEN DID DAVID BEGIN TO SUFFER from his error and sin.

Answer: when he disobeyed the Statutes of The Lord and kept not the Commandments, WHICH HE KNEW TO OBEY AND UPHOLD.

Thus, his troubles began after he left his wife Mi'chal at home, had sex with other women (1 Samuel 21:5) and took him Abigail, Jezreel etc as wives.

For exactly as Abraham, Solomon, Saul and co, God left him.

Which is why you see him Crying Out a lot in Psalms "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, ...? Psalm 22,

"How long wilt thou forget me, O Lord? Forever? How long wilt thou hide thy face from me? Psalm 13: Psalm 10, Psalm 6, Psalm 77 take note of verse 10, and other Psalms.

Which is why he severally Cried and Warns, Keep The Commandments and Obey The Statutes of God.

For he knew his sufferings came upon him BECAUSE he disobeyed.

However, this experience happens ONLY to those who Truly Love.God and kept His Laws.

Any who who has not experienced this, IS NOT A CHILD OF GOD and thus, they are dead already and therefore God, in His Goodness, does not let further afflictions fall on them.

Which is why I call on all to keep The Law, (Commandments and Statutes) for they would indeed convert your soul, if indeed you want to Truly love God. Psalm 19:7. "The Law of The Lord is Perfect, Converting the soul:.."

So David is in hell?

Kobojunkie:
The Old Covenant Law of Moses, which predates Abraham, stipulates that God is against Adultery which in this case simply means sex outside of a marriage relationship.

Yes, Abraham was from a time before this, however, let's for the same of this assume we can judge him by that standard/law.

Abraham, as it turns out, was married to Hagar - Genesis 16 vs 3 - and Keturah - Genesis 25 vs 1. So, they were not "side chicks" ,instead they were lesser wives or even what some translations consider slave wives.

What is the definition of concubine?

BossJamal:
Nice one. Hope u ate d car keys too?

Yeah that one is long term dessert. LoL

hupernikao:
You are still mixing this up.

First
You cant claim to have given freewill when you can stop a will. To stop man's decision in its self is selfishness and not freewill, In that decision of freewill is God's love shown. manipulating your will simply means, do my own will: this is the root of all selfishness and evil.

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Second
You need to check what i wrote earlier, that prophecies arent finality. The doctrine of finality wasnt taught in the scripture, including predestination as finality. For all man's decision, God always provide a way out for him to do rightly, same for the Jews who killed him. This is the reason you had some Jews believed, some didnt and killed him. The same message was given to them all. They made a choice to reject it, not God.

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Lastly
God isnt sueing or punishing anyone. It is in that act of man killing Christ that he brought salvation to the very man.

I am sure you know about Joseph story. It simple exemplified the suffering of Christ in man's hand yet saved man.

God still worked through the choices of Joseph's brothers, who decided to suffer him, even to kill him, yet God still work through their evil to bring salvation to his Brother in Egypt. It was Joseph who suffered that end up becoming their salvation from famine. I really hope you get this.


Read Joseph final verdict below.

Gen 50
KJV 20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

NIV 20 You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.

That is what you saw in Abel/Cain, in Joseph/His brothers, in David/Saul, in Jesus/Jews. It is the same story. That is, man's opposition will always stand in the way of God's will, yet same God will still make salvation available for the evil man.

If the men had not killed him would his plan have been fulfilled? Why didn't he save himself when he had the chance to?

Look you can dress it up anyway you like but the story is just what it is. A story of a god who manipulates people for his own ends.

hupernikao:
Either manipulate or control, they are siblings. Manipulation is a act of deceitfully making a gain on someone by controlling their decision even though they have their will, yet their decisions were altered by the manipulator.

Howbeit, my point is this, Prophecies (of which you based your explanations) arent manipulations, they are foresight. They are expo into the future of a man's decision or an events. Prophecies is not about what God will make happen but what God want to make happen and likewise what man's decision is in the events. If its prophesied that you will be a missioner in future, that is not a cast a stone decision, your daily will and decision will still determine if that will be fulfilled in you. You can decided to end up as a banker, and even oppose missioner.

You must see this two elements well in prophecy.
- God's plan
- Man's will and decision

Hence, all you have been pointing to are man's decision spoken ahead of time about the son of God to come.

In the bible days, especially in OT, you can blame all things on God, but there are more lights today, even human knowledge abound today to let you know that man can make decision, carry out things without even knowing or accepting God, nor believe he exists. That is how man was made.

So, putting all you see in scriptures as God's actions is reading the text today (2021) with the available knowledge of 2000 years ago.

Man's decision to kill someone who already knew before hand that they want to kill him and played into their hand is what if not manipulation. Someone wants to do something harmful to you but instead of stopping it you allow it happen so that you can sue them is manipulation.

uthlaw:
you wan fight me Ni?

No be you bring fight com? I dey on my own jeje, you com bring your mouth.

uthlaw:
why you change mouth!

Change mouth where? E bi like say something dey worry you for early morning.

uthlaw:
na you mumu pass!

Are you even reasoning at all? Why would you marry someone you can't trust? Also if the babe actual cheated why would he marry her either. Try dey use your brain small na.

andronite:
HI guys,

My friend who is a US citizen, single, no kids, no wife, and has been working in the US for close to 10 years. Things have gone well and he was planning to settle down this August. So he came to Nigeria about one and half years ago to do introduction and engage his high school sweetheart. Note, this is also when they officially / seriously started dating . All has been well, and the both of them, their families were preparing for the wedding in August. However, last week he just discovered that his fiancee recently went to visit her ex boyfriend. When he confronted her, she said she went because she was bored, and she refused afterwards to change her phone number (he wanted to stop them communicating), saying she didn't sleep with her ex, and she only went for a hangout in his house.

My friend has cancelled the wedding as we speak, and everybody is begging him to re-consider. Between, the lady's age is within the range of 33 to 36. And my guy is between 37 to 40. He is confused as we speak, because he is taking a hard line on the issue, he doesn't want to start his marriage life on a wrong foundation. At the same time, he is feeling hurt because of her unseriousness.

What should he do?

Your friend can't trust his fiancee so there is no point in continuing. He will always see something to be suspicious of.

basilico:
Her ex-husband is the one saying she and Joe met before 1975( when he divorced Jill) infact before 1972 (when Joe's 1st wife died).

Compare that situation to that of Stormy who sues people so that she can go public with stories of a night spent
Utterly despicable flesh peddler.

Bwahahahahaha! Either you are exceptionally tone deaf or you so much delight in self deception but damn you are out of this world. LMFAO! OMFD!

Lunch! Hot Amala with chunky okro soup, just the way I like it!

basilico:
I have neither confirmed nor denied.
I am doubtful about the whole story. Dems like smearing their opponents. Ask Sheriff Arpaio but they cover their actions ala Bill Clinton for example.

Oh yeah sure. You are doubtful about Stormy but you are so sure about Jill. Double standard much?

basilico:
Stormy Daniels lawyer, Michael Avenatti is facing 175 years in prison. How should anybody believe her , she only had a photo with Trump at Mar r Lago , only one, And she could have heard from others about the shape of his instrument.
Nothing else, no texts, no emails, Only one photo.
She waited near elections to smear him.

The funny thing is that she sued Trump and lost.She was ordered to pay him with costs.

Who else sleeps ( if it ever happened) with a flesh peddler and gets paid by her?

And just to add Trump is not the moral role model for you and your kids, everyone knows that.

So you denied what was actually factual but you have the gall to point fingers now? LMFAO!

basilico:
The media tries to make Biden a couple with no blemish.We all know about Donald, owning the pageant franchise requires great self control and being rich many ladies will throw themselves at him.

As for Jill, even Reuters lies about when they met. Why would they lie? What other lies have they spread

Wait, did you not loudly deny the Stormy Daniels revelations?

basilico:
Media lies. Former Jill husband says Jill met Joe earlier than 1975.



In a new interview, Stevenson revealed
that although people believe that Jill and
Joe met on a blind date, they actually
began their romance while she was still
married to Stevenson and while Joe was
still married to his late first wife as he
worked on his campaign for the U.S.
senate. Stevenson said that a friend of
Jill's told him that she and Joe were
getting too close not long after she turned
down the chance to meet Bruce
Springsteen because of a favor she owed
Joe.

Pot calling kettle black. Where was your outrage when Donald Trump's affairs while stilled married to Melania were uncovered?

basilico:
Who was cheating on her hubby before marrying Joe. Very good morals
And now is his handler, for its said Joe just grins throughout not knowing where he is .
He forgot he was in Europe for 8 days, saying he was there for 13 days.

Wow look who is talking about morals.

benalvino2:
This guy does not understand when someone is metaphorically speaking. Lmao,disgrace.

The same screen grab show that I said blacks don't vote Republicans... If I am speaking literally you will say I am lying because Candace Owen voted for trump, Ben Carson voted for trump.

How does it make sense to speak of what other people said and attribute it to me when you have no idea my position on the matter? Goes to show you have nothing but deception to bolster your arguments.

Instead of screen grabbing partial nonsense, why not post a link? Na hand pull rope dem dey take start your brain?

Tdotbluejays1:
Why do you like to lie? Do you earn 10 cents per lie or what?

LMFAO! It's like dietary supplement for them, lying from the moment they wake up.

benalvino2:
I am still trying to put this in your head. I don't know who will help crack your head open.

Why did Joe Biden say if blacks don't vote for him they ain't black? Because blacks don't vote Republicans, they don't join the republican party, if they don't vote Republican and join republican party, how can they be senators? Can't you use reasoning for once?

You said it's systematic racism because white Republicans don't support blacks, so what racism system is it for blacks not supporting Republicans?

See the definition of systematic racism:
Institutional racism, also known as systemic racism, is a form of racism that is embedded through laws and regulations within society or an organization. It can lead to such issues as discrimination in criminal justice, employment, housing, health care, political power, and education, among other issues. Institutional racism has harmful effects on people, especially on students in school where it is prominent.

Tell me which laws and regulations that is keeping blacks from becoming senators in rge Republican party or which laws keeping them from joining the republican party?

Oga, use your reasoning.

Hello dumbo am I Joe Biden?

Did you see it written clearly that it causes issues with obtaining political power? You can read but can't put your brain to work in understanding what you have read.

benalvino2:
What did I say that's a lie?
Could you answer a simple question? Systematic racism, give me an example of one in modern day America.

The picture below is your disgraceful answer. You answered a question with a question and I kindly tell you why you don't see much blacks in the republican party. Because people LIKE again LIKE you call them unlce Tom and sellouts. I did not say You call them uncle Tom and sellouts. This is why I feel you don't understand much you see on this thread.

Here is your bald faced lie:

benalvino2:
I never made such assertions. Blacks don't vote Republicans and they don't identify as republicans so they don't run for Republican office.

You confidently lied since you are a numbskull. You could have just checked before replying but since your brain isn't working you put your mouth into gear without thinking.

Once again show me a place I said blacks are sellouts for voting Republican but sure you can't find such a place because once again you gave freely indulged your fantasies.

Now it's clear you don't even know the meaning of systematic racism. Go find out what it means before you type rubbish.

hammer3x:
PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME ACCIDENTALLY.


DO WE CALL THEM CRIMINALS?



IF CHIDINMA KILLED USIFO, THEN IT IS ACCIDENTAL DUE TO THE DRUGZ.





NOW, THE POLICE AND USIFO FAMILY CAN TRY TO MANIPULATE THE EVIDENCE AND HER CONFESSION TO INCRIMINATE CHIDINMA.


THEY ALREADY ALLOWED THE PRESS TAKE HER ORIGINAL CONFESSION OF WHAT HAPPENED, ANY CHANGES IN CUSTODY WILL BE UNDER DURESS OR UNDUE INFLUENCE.



IT WONT COUNT.

Gosh you are dumber than a bag of hammers.

benalvino2:
I never made such assertions. Blacks don't vote Republicans and they don't identify as republicans so they don't run for Republican office. It's common sense, if you don't buy the ticket you don't win the lottery.

I made it clear people like you call them sellouts and uncle Tom if they join or vote Republicans.

I asked you to talk of one systematic racism that keeps blacks from succeeding and you came up with the bullshit that blacks are not in senate.

You can't answer that question. If you say Republicans don't vote for blacks because they are racist would have made more sense. We are talking about systematic racism here.

When you learn what systematic racism is then we call continue... As of now you just disgraced yourself

You are the one disgracing yourself since you can't hear how dumb you sound. Tim Scott is a black Senate Republican but since you can't be bothered to activate the grey matter in that nut case you call a head you defaulted to lies and misinformation.

Meanwhile show me where I have called blacks sellout for voting Republican.

Look at who is trying to educate me on systematic racism while at the same time acknowledging that Republicans don't favour black candidates. Do you even hear yourself? LMAO!

benalvino2:
You are not making sense at all.
Read what I said then look at the nonsense you replied with

The nonsense is coming loud and clear from you. You just admitted that white Republican voters will not vote for black Republican candidates and you are still asking where is the systematic racism. Check the nutcase you call a head if it is still carrying a functional brain.

benalvino2:
Your premise is wrong. Blacks don't vote republicans, they identify as dems so you don't expect them to fill the republican party. People like you have made it a crime for them to be a republican not to talk about taking up a republican office.

You showed nothing. You did not answer the question.

LoL you just proved my case. So if blacks don't vote Republican then whites won't vote for a black Republican candidate. Bwahahahahaha!

basilico:
Just to help you further

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

An Emergency Use
Authorization (EUA) is a
mechanism to facilitate the
availability and use of medical
countermeasures, including
vaccines, during public health
emergencies, such as the current
COVID-19 pandemic.
Under an
EUA, FDA may allow the use of
unapproved medical products,
or unapproved uses of approved
medical products in an
emergency to diagnose, treat, or
prevent serious or life-
threatening diseases or
conditions when certain
statutory criteria have been
met, including that there are no
adequate, approved, and
available alternatives.



@bolded You think the Pharma industry had any reason to promote any cheap drug worth pennies that has high promises of combating covid-19? Say hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin.

That would be a good reason to exaggerate corona virus deaths and downplay any drug effective in combating covid-19. Worldwide not just Lisbon.

Here we go, back to another conspiracy.

basilico:
I've given my opinion on why I think there was need to sexx up the corona cases.

P/S. ..Next time don't report me to teacher.

You are a known purveyor of false information and misinformation, no need to report you to anyone.

benalvino2:
And that's not the question you were asked. Provide any systematic racism keeping blacks from any office or succeeding is the question


If democrats are not brainwashing blacks there would be many because there were black Republicans in government before there were black dems in government.

So stop calling any black who run as a GOP uncle Tom's and seller if you want to see more of them. No one is stopping them but people like you.

I am showing you a prime example of a barrier that blacks are still encountering in politics.

I didn't ask about government in general I specified the Senate and furthermore Republicans.

benalvino2:
He says the literature was wrong. That's admission to your claim That he puts up false information.

Here's your answer straight from the horse's mouth:

basilico:
The information is not yet proven false, underlie that with my last post above And I lay my case why the deaths from covid-19 are sexxed up.

benalvino2:
Aslo, if it's not by merit then she for take first, and first for take 3rd or she won't even be there. The best 3 is what you saw on the podium and she is the 3rd best out of the 3. It's merit.

And what has that got to do with anything you are saying?