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ijawkid: Kneeling before a bible is wrong!!!........kneeling before marys image is utter wrong too.......they are all wrong.......let us desist from such jejune and idolatrous practices...........smh!!!!..........

Your Protestant brother said that "Kneeling" before a bible, is not Wrong but rather, it is a Posture or Position for Prayer. Personaly, I think he makes sence. Don't you think he is Right?

oyestephen: The only key to making heaven is being born again, not being a protestant or being a catholic.
2. God is against use of images or bowing to any thing, we are only to bow in reverence to our lord jesus christ, and not his image.
3. We shouldn't classify a denomination as all protestants. There are many other churches which were founded and still remain in the knowledge of christ, but being a church member won't take anyone to heaven but by being born again
4. Its no surprise that there are 'fake' pastors around, the bible said some will come with false doctrines even among the circumscied, so brother, if there is a fake that means there is an original. The key is not to be distracted, and testing all spirits with the word of God. The idea of bowing down to the bible is not in the bible itself. As for the bible being a mediator, hmmm that is also not in my bible.

I think you are correct in all you said exccept in No 2. God is not against the use of image, otherwise He would not have ordered the use of the image of a serpent to heal the islealites, or the use of the image of the Cherubins on the Ark of Covenant. What He is against is Idolatry ie the worship of image as in the case of the Golden Calf. God can't be against the use of image and come back to order its use. But it is obvious He is against idolatry since He has not ordered it to be practiced but have punished those who practiced it in the past.

Ubenedictus: the thing is, protestants make catholics defend their practice every week on nl. Let penticostals do same.

EXACTLY the reason why I created this thread. And so far, they have proved to be COWARDS, by accepting the Fact they rejected in the past. I just have one final simple question and Please I need an answer. [Q] Is it possible that a Protestant who pray before a Holy Book (Bible) can be criticising a Catholic who pray before a Holy Image (Statue of Christ) and not be a BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRITE?.

[quote authaor=plaetton]You greatly disappoint me.
How does Obama and American children compare as an analogy to the Pope and his priests.
American kids do not represent and are not answerable to Obama on personal conduct.

All catholic Priests represent the the holy see, and by extension, the pope.
They are answerable to the pope.

The Pope is both the author and custodian of catholic doctrine: doctrines that are supposed to promote and regulate moral behaviour.
So, if the catholic priests are molesting children as some sort of perverse rite of passage, then the entire catholic doctrine, and the Pope that oversees it, are directly responsible for the moral malaise.[/quote]My friend keep Quiet. This shows that you don't know anything about the Catholic Church. The Pope has no business with any priest whatsoever, and no priest own any allegiance to the Pope, exccept the ones ordained in the diocese of Rome where the Pope is the Bishop. This is one of the many things you outsiders don't know about the Catholic Church, and you come here to talk Authoritatively as if you have a pHD in Cannon Law. Now let me school you little in Cannon Law. Every Catholic Diocesian Priest, on the day of his ordination, makes a promise of obedience to his Local Ordinary, ie his Bishop and his successor, and not to the Pope. So the Pope has no right "Cannonicaly" to call that priest to order or excommunicate him, but his Bishop can easily do both just with the snap of his fingers. It is only a priest ordained in the diocese of Rome (where the Pope is the Bishop), that he has the Cannonical right to decipline. Consequently, it is only the Bishop of a Diocese, who trained and elevated a priest to the Sacrament of Holy Orders, can "indirectly" be held responsible for the crime commited by the priest. Not and NEVER a Cardinal of any Congregation, talkless of the Pope. He is neither Directly nor Indirectly connected to these crimes, So you see the Pope is protected from every side. Know this today, The Catholic Church is the Oldest and the Most Organised Institution on Earth. With more than 2,000years of Experience, do you think any Man born of a Woman, can Outshine this "OLD LADY" in WISDOM?. Don't mind what the media is feeding you with. All they want is to make some money with something New (News). Since the Catholic Church in imitation of her Founder Jesus Christ, has remained silent, without litigating against, tonnes of false informations being carried by the media, these people keep making their money Big.

nokia3310: Well, personally as an atheist or rather an agnostic i don't think i am smarter than religious folks, but one thing i know for sure is that i'm more sincere than ALL theist, at least for accepting that the religion I've practiced all my life is fundamentally wrong, rather than to continue to defend the indefensible.

You don't even know the one you belong to. Atheist or Agnostics?

Evil Brain: He was aware of many of the cases of child abuse. He was fully aware that many, it any at all had not been reported to the relevant authorities and he did nothing to make sure the authorities were informed and justice was served. I'm not suggesting should have reported them personally, but he could have taken steps to make sure it was done. A simple letter asking the relevant church agencies to look into it would have sufficed. Or he could have demanded that all such cases referred to him have been reviewed by local authorities first. He was a very powerful man in the vatican even at that time, there were plenty of things he could do, instead he did nothing. In fact he even argued against defrocking a confirmed pedo priest because it would have hurt the church's reputation, exactly the same kind of behaviour that the bishops were engaged in.

I find it funny that both you and the church are using the exact same tactic that american crime families and the Italian Mafia have been using to protect their senior members. "The individual bishops were responsible", "the don knew nothing about the drug dealing". You conveniently forget that the Catholic Church is a monolithic organisation and that all those bishops are representatives of and directly answerable to Rome. That tactic didn't work for the Gambino crime family and it won't work for the Catholic church.



Think about what you are saying. If you find out that the company you work for has been repeatedly committing money laundering, are you going to say "its not my job, so I'm not going to report it"? Benedict was a senior member of the church. Since few or none of the priests referred to him were in prison or under trial; he must have known that the cases weren't being reported. He would have known about all the priests who had been moved from the jurisdictions where the r@pes occured. He was fully aware of the the cover-up and he did nothing. Obstruction of justice is a crime. If you are aware of an on-going crime, and you do nothing to stop it, and make no attempt to report it, for twenty-one whole years, then you are also guilty.

The best you can argue is that the pope was a mere accomplice rather than a main participant in the cover-up. Regardless of which he is, he still deserves to be arrested and tried. Church's reputation be d@mned.

You are saying all these just for two reasons [1.] Honestly, You don't really know the size of the Catholic Church. [2.]You are trying to link everything to the Poor 85yeas Old Man "POPE BENEDICT XVI" simply because he made it to the "Chair of Peter". Why can't you link this to another Cardinal who is occupying that office now. I tell you the truth, if another Cardinal other than Ratzinger(BENEDICT) had made it to the Papacy, you will link it up to him but not to Ratzinger. This explains the reason, why you people have already started afresh looking for "WHAT TO LINK UP" for the New POPE Still yet to be ELECTED. What you have done now is synonymous to blaiming Goodluck Ebere Jonathan for every Pencil stolen in any of the classrooms in the Hundreds of Thousands of Nursery, Primary and Secondary Schools scattered throughout the fedration.

Evil Brain: A lot of butthurt Catholics blindly defending mother church. But no matter how much you shout, you cant change the facts.

1. There is a pervasive culture of child abuse and molestation within the Catholic church. This is a fact.

2. There has been a systematic cover-up of these abuses. They would catch their priests raping kids and turn a blind eye. When the heat from the community gets too much, they would often move such priests to different countries to protect them from the law. In many cases, these confirmed ped0philes continued having access to children in their new jobs even though the church authorities knew what they'd been up to. The church has been shown to resort to bullying tactics and intense pressure to silence victims and has settled hundreds of cases out of court by paying money to buy silence. The catholic church has always been more concerned with its reputation than the welfare of these poor children. When you. catch someone abusing his position to r@pe children, the first thing you should do is call the police and get the pervert arrested so he cant harm any more children. Instead, the church has always chosen to protect the r@pists and even helped them get access to more fresh young meat. This is a fact!

3. Joseph Ratzinger was the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith before he became pope and was thus directly responsible for dealing with child molestation cases. As such, he is answerable for any and all cover ups at the level of the Vatican for the over two decades he was there. This is a fact.

Helping to cover up thousands of ràpes is just as much a crime as commiting the rápes yourself. This was not a one-time mistake, It was a systematic campaign of obstruction of justice. Their actions gave many pedöphile priests the confidence to continue their horrible acts upon innocent children. In some some cases, priests who'd already been accused were allowed to ràpe again. This scale of criminal behavior cannot be allowed to go unpunished. Some people have to go to prison for this. And pope Benedict is the most obvious of them.

Long story short, Catholic priests have long been ràping children, and the church has been actively shielding them from justice. no matter what they have done in the past, they are now an international organized crime syndicate, a worldwide child molestation ring. And they should be treated the same as all other criminal organisations.

End of story.

Okay, thank you for the information. May God bless you. Please Ubenedictus I hope this is what you meant by charity? That this guy will spread all these lies against the Catholic Church and I will let him go free, and shouldn't rebuke him, sometimes using harsh words as John the Baptist and Christ used on the Pharises and the Scribes who are blasphamers. Please Brother if I am wrong please let me know. I know the Cans of Worms I would have Opened on this guys head this early morning for spreading these lies if not for your Kindly Correction. But before I go, let me highlight the following Points: [1].Honestly, it is from this guy[EVIL BRAIN] that I read for the very first time that Catholic priest are going about Ra.ping women and Children. I have heard of few priests commiting sins agains the 6th commandment but not ra.pe which involves force and demands that a priest will leave the parish house(which they don't share with anyone except few worker who in most cases are 99.9% male who are old enough to work) and visit a neigbour only to ra.pe his wife and children. [2]. It is not possible for a priest to ra.pe a woman in the parish house since any woman who trespassed the visitor restricted boundry(mostly at the sitting room) and followed a priest right into his room must have concented. On the other hand the parish house is not the best place for a priest to ra.pe a woman because of the shameful, humiliting result it will have on the priest if the woman was REALLY RA.PED, you know what I mean. [3].The other option is in a hotel room and I don't see how a woman who follow a priest into a such a place will call what happened there a ra.pe. [4].Besides, priests are public figures, they are easily identified by their parishoners no matter how they disguise, no matter where they go, even in the house of prosti.tutes. They will see a parishoner there. So it is not easy for priests to commit any sex.ual sin and easily cover it up from the public, takless of the thousands you said they have ra.ped probably in their homes since a priest won't be ra.ping someone in a hotel room and neithe is the parish the best place to ra.pe "if it involves REAL RA.PING". So I dont know where this story of priests "Ra.ping thousands" is coming from today if it is not from your "TRUELY" EVIL BRAIN. Brother Ubenedictus please forgive me for using that word "TRUELY". I just can't avoid it, since I think it is more charitable than the one I have use in the past.

Ubenedictus: take am easy oh! Oga evilbrain go vex oh!
Now seriously, more charity on thread, even though the love accusing anything catholic, we shuld prove them wrong charitably.

HONESTLY, I just wanted to say "if he gets angry let him go and hugg TRANSF....." Okay Senior brother, if not for you, I would have completed that statement and would have added more, so that next time he will not copy and paste anything here. NO problem, "CORRECTION ACCEPTED".

chukwudi44: @evil brain

So the best way for a pope with diplomatic immunity from arrest and prosecution to evade arrest is to resign and give up his immunity? Do you reason @ all? Your hatred for the catholic church has beclouded your sense of reasoning!!!

You go about googling links to substantiate your fantasies and will readily jump @ any one you think is close to that without even bothering to digest the contents!!!

Ohoooom! you are still talking about "REASONING" when the "EVIL BRAIN" is ROTTEN with "EVIL THOUGHTS".

tobechi20: I dnt totaly belive pope benedict resignd önly because of old age. There is more to it. After pope john paul was much older than him

This is one problem with Anti-Catholics. They never get their facts right. Pope John Paul II died at the age of 85. Pope Benedict renounce being the Pope this year at the age of 85years

Evil Brain: You are assuming that people care more about the church than they do about protecting children from habitual ped0philes, which is far from certain.

Child molesters are a special class of criminal. People will forgive almost anything, but when it comes to grown men doing dirty things to defenseless children a kind of red mist descends in front of their eyes.

And we're not talking about one or two kids here. They've been literally thousands or cases, not including those who haven't come forward. Thousands of cases, over several decades occurring all around the world.

Are you really sure people are going to be so eager to defend a bunch of child molesters or the corrupt organisation that facilitates r@pes and protect r@pists?

I wouldn't be so confident.

It is just now that I looked at your name "EVIL BRAIN" what else do you espect from "SUCH A BRAIN"

Evil Brain: Its easier to arrest and prosecute Benedict because before he became pope, he was the head of the organisation directly responsible for dealing with child r@pe cases. To get the next pope, they'll have to start building another case against him from scratch. Plus the church can choose a pope that has few or no direct links to the cover-ups. Changing the pope is the best move the church can make right now. It doesn't solve the problem completely, but it buys them plenty of time, and reduces the likely damage to the church.



All you need is a pair of handcuffs and a small jail cell. What's hard about that?

Just a pair of handcuffs and a small jail cell? You need more than that to arrest an area boy in warri talkless of To forcefuly arrest THE 5th MOST POWERFUL HUMAN BEING ON EARTH. Please what planet did you come from?

Richfella: I think this is absolute bulllshit because it DOESN'T add up. The article said church property will be confiscated and his successor prosecuted. His resignation then changes nothing.

In my humble opinion, e go hard to arrest pope o. E go hard.

Please help me to ask him just one Question. Who can arrest THE MOST HUMBLE but on the other hand, THE 5th MOST POWERFUL MAN ON EARTH. [If you like google it]. Just try it and THIS WORLD WILL END SOONER THAN YOU THINK.

Evil Brain: It seems that the mainstream press is deliberately turning a blind eye to this story. The news has been out for at least a few days and CNN, FOX and co are systematically ignoring it.

I guess Catholics in positions of power are still doing their best to protect mother church. Which is exactly what got them into this mess in the first place.

My friend, this is to prove to you that it is all LIES. Tell me any bad news about The Catholic Church that these secular media like FOX, CNN and Aljazeera will delay to broadcast to the entire planet using their powerful satelite communiction technology?

Evil Brain: Apparently the European Union is finally willing to take action against the Vatican and its leadership on charges of criminal conspiracy for its systematic cover-ups of child molestation by its members and its protection of ped0phile priests.

The catholic church has long behaved like a criminal organisation. Its leaders have a culture of r@ping and abusing children. The church leadership then covers these abuses up by pressuring victims and their families, by attempting to discredit those who come forward, by moving the priests around to avoid prosecution, and offering cash settlements when cornered in court.

Regardless of anything else they do or did in the past, the catholic church is now essentially an international child molestation ring. They are an organised crime syndicate just like the Italian Mafia, except that the Mafia don’t r@pe children.

Prosecutors have long turned a blind eye to their crimes likely because of the church's influence in government and law enforcement, but it seem that their luck has finally run out.

For more coverage: http://www.salem-news.com/articles/february122013/pope-resigns.php
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/8314813/Retired-pope-immune-from-abuse-probes

My friend tell us something new about The Catholic Church "THE BRIDIAL SPOUSE OF CHRIST" All these is nothing when compaired with what was said against Christ.

Joagbaje: They don't have to do that to the bible it's a show of reverence even though its wrong . It's based on the pastor little understanding to display sacredness of the holy bible . That is not idolatory. The posture of kneeling down is not Idol worship either. It's only one of the gestures or positions in prayers. Jesus knelt down ,Paul' knelt down.. You don't labell every church by the practice of just one church. If you're not comfortable with a church system simply walk into another. But don't criticize

The TRUTH is begining to come out, and one of my objective of creating this thread is being fulfiled. Please NOTE the following STAEMENTS: [1]."It is a SHOW of REVERENCE". [2]."THAT is NOT IDOLATORY". [3]."The posture of KNEELING is NOT IDOLATORY". [4]."It is only ONE of the GESTURES or POSITIONS in PRAYER". On the other hand, I want you to know that I am glad to hear these words coming from a Non-Catholic. But we Catholics have been making EXACTLY the SAME STATEMENT over and over again, thousands upon thousands of time in the past, in defence of our "GESTURE or POSITION" of prayer but you Penticostals won't admit the TRUTH. I will bet my head that you protestants won't use these words if this thread is about "Catholics praying before a statue". Unfortunately, now I INVENTED a "LITERARY WORK" that will Perfectly, TURN THE TABLE AROUND, consequently, putting we Catholics on the offensive and you Protestants on the DEFENSIVE, guess what you used to defend yourself? "THE EXACT WORDS OF THE CATHOLICS" that you REJECTED countless number of times in the past. Therefore this is begging for the simple question, Is ANTI-CATHOLIC PROTESTANISM not the HIGHEST LEVEL of BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRISY in CHRISTENDOM?

Ubenedictus: Dear brothers and sisters! In today’s liturgy the Gospel according to Luke presents the account of the calling of the first disciples. This version is original with respect to the other 2 synoptic Gospels, Matthew and Mark (Matthew 4:18-22; Mark 1:16-20). The call, in fact, is preceded by Jesus’ teaching of the crowds and of a miraculous catch of fish, accomplished by the Lord’s will (Luke 5:1-6). While the crowd gathers on the shore of the Lake of Genesaret to listen to Jesus he sees Simon who is discouraged because he had not caught anything all night. First he asks Simon if he might get into the boat to preach to the people a little ways from the shore; then when he finishes preaching he commands him to set out into the lake with his companions and cast out the nets (5:5). Simon obeys and they catch a great quantity of fish. In this way the evangelist makes us see how the first disciples followed Jesus, entrusting themselves to him, basing themselves on his word, which is also accompanied by wondrous signs. Let us observe that before this sign, Simon speaks to Jesus calling him “Master” (5:5), while afterward he calls him “Lord” (5:7). It is the pedagogy of God’s call, which is not much concerned with the qualities of the elect but with their faith, like that of Simon, who says: “At your word I will cast out the nets” (5:5). The image of the catch of fish points to the mission of the Church. St. Augustine comments on this: “Twice the disciples fish at the Lord’s command: once before the passions and once after the resurrection. In both cases we find a figure of the whole Church: the Church as she is now and as she will be after the resurrection of the dead. Now she contains a multitude impossible to count, including the good and the bad together; after the resurrection she will only contain the good” (Sermon 248, 1). Peter’s experience, certainly singular, is also representative of the call of every apostle of the Gospel, who must never be discouraged in proclaiming Christ to all men, to the ends of the earth. But the text of today’s Gospel also brings us to reflect on the vocation to the priesthood and the consecrated. It is the work of God. Man is not the author of his own vocation, but he replies to the divine proposal; and human weakness must not trouble us if God calls. We must have confidence in his strength, which acts precisely in our poverty; we must more and more place our trust in the power of his mercy, which transforms and renews. Dear brothers and sisters, may this Word of God revive in us too and in our Christian communities the courage, the confidence and the zeal to proclaim and witness to the Gospel. Failures and difficulties must not lead to discouragement: we are expected to cast out the nets with faith, the Lord does the rest. Let us trust in the intercession of the Virgin Mary, Queen of the Apostles. Quite aware of her littleness, she responds to the Lord’s call with total trust: “Here I am.” With her maternal aid let us renew our openness to follow Jesus, Master and Lord.

Thats wonderful. I wonder why pure Gospel teaching like this never made it to the front page. If it is a story of a pastor stealing or being hanged or any useless story about one useless musician or actress it will be forwarded to the front page.

Where are the vibrant penticostals protestants of Nairaland. Come and defend your faith. All you were taught is to attack and attack, come do some defending let me see how good you are with that.

penzino: u better shut up if u have notin reasonable to say. Am not a Catholic buh I know a little about d Catholic faith. Mary is not worshiped buh Honoured... Plss look for methylated spirit to wash ur brain, u need it

It is Very good that this is coming from a Non-Catholic. We have said this thousands of time but they won't listen. Maybe when they hear it from non-catholic sources they will belive.

inspiredbyGOD:.:
What sort of double standard hypocrisy is this?
You do the same thing with images of Mary and Jesus. Heck you even pray to Mary and make her out as the mediator between man and God. Just live and let live, you are no better than them.

Okay, now instead of you to blame Penticostal protestants for their Idolatry, you are blaming the Catholic Church. Who is now the hypocrite?.

GiantParrot: Thanks, Rather than spend a lot of time here discussing the many points I had raised (some of which have been better understood now), I prefer to take a look at the websites Mr. Italo had suggested for answers. Take care.

That's PERFECT.

onatisi: they may be trying to show respect to the word of God .

By kneeling to the bible(an object), by praying to it, by worshipping it and by using it as a mediator between them and God. This is more than respect.

There is this Penticostal Protestant Church located in one warehouse in my street. They use to hold their service every Sundays, Wednesdays and Fridays. On Sundays they have there full service which starts by 8am and ends by 5pm. On Wednesdays they have their bible study/bible Worship Service. On Fridays they have their Night Vigil, which is a noisy demon casting and binding/deliverance Service. On these Fridays, I sleep by 6pm so that by 12mid Night the deliverance will begin I must have had enough rest. Most of the times, I don't care about what these people do in their Church, but last wednesday I decided to watch what was going on in this penticostal Church. Because I was there on time, Standing at my vantage point, I was amased at what I saw. Just before the bible study they had their Bible Worship. The Pastor ordered them to Pray "WHILE KNEELING BEFORE THEIR BIBLES". For 20minutes these penticostals were pouring out incomprehensible incantations and libations like SoBoriCoSanDaya! ShinTaraBaShinTaraBa! MaSeriCotarabababa......!.I was wondering why these Penticostal were KNEELING and PRAYING to there bibles. Then I remembered what God Said in Exodus20:4-5 "Do not make for yourselves images of anything(objects) in heaven or on earth.... 5 Do not bow down(or KNEEL) to any Idol(object) or worship(pray) to it. And these penticostals protestants were KNEELING and PRAYING to their bibles. Is this not IDOL WORSHIPPING?. The worst is yet to come. After those incantations, the Pastor asked them to use their bible as A POINT OF CONTACT(means of mediation) to God and ask for whatever they want from God. Honestly, at this point, I can't withstand it any longer so I left. How can people who call themselves Christians use an OBJECT as a point of contact or means of mediation to God? when my bible tells me that "Jesus Christ is our only mediator" and consequently, the only point of contact between Divinity and Humanity. PLEASE can any Penticostal Protestant who has ever knelt before his/her bible to pray prove to me that he/she has not practised Idolatry. Also can any Penticostal answer the following questions [1].Where is it in the bible that Christians should kneel and pray to (or before) their bible or scripture book? [2].Where is it in the bible that christians should use the bible or scroll as a point of contact or means of mediation between humanity and God. Finally can you prove to me that any Penticostal Protestant who kneels before his/her bible and prays before it is not an idol worshipper and I will prove to you that you don't have a bible talkless of knowing the meaning of [EXODUS20:4-5]. Thanks.

olivegirl: I know you will like this.

The Design and the Designer

'Lift your eyes and look to the heavens...' Isaiah 40:26 NIV

Wernher von Braun, the first director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Centre, who's known as 'the father of the American space programme,' stated in a published article in May 1974: 'One cannot be exposed to the law and order of the universe without concluding that there must be a design and purpose behind it all...The better we understand the intricacies of the universe...the more reason we have found to marvel at the inherent design upon which it is based...

To be forced to believe only one conclusion - that everything in the universe happened by chance - would violate the very objectivity of science itself...What random process could produce the brains of a man or the system of the human eye?...They [evolutionists] challenge science to prove the existence of God. But must we really light a candle to see the sun?...


They say they cannot visualise a designer. Well, can a physicist visualise an electron? What strange rationale makes some physicists accept the inconceivable electron as real, while refusing to accept the reality of a designer on the ground that they cannot conceive Him?'


This devotional you are reading was not the result of an explosion in a printing press. No, if there's a book, then there must be a publisher. If there's a building, then there must be an architect and builder. If there's a work of art, then there must be an artist. 'Lift your eyes and look to the heavens: Who created all these? He who brings out the starry host one by one, and calls them each by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing.'

Jonah 1-4, Matt 14:1-12, Ps 141, Pr 4:18-19

Do you think all these wonderful true fact will be able to convince these Damed souls who willingly Chose to be damed. It is only God's intervention through prayer that can save them. Some of them can qoute these bible more than you do.

[quote author=frosbel]

Boomark: Why would you dig a grave and ask my friend to enter? Infact you don vex me.

If you are angry, you know the best thing to do now. I mean THE TRANSFORMER.

viruz007: Someone mentioned earlier that there are many ways to get to Jesus and one of them is through Mary. R u people so shallow or narrow minded to spew out this particular line?

I hate arguing or insulting people when it comes to discussions about God and the word but you people have take it one step too far. John 14:6 says " Jesus answered, I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me."

John also writes in 1 John 2:1, " My dear children i write to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the father in our defense- Jesus Christ, the righteous one. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only ours but also for the sins of the whole world"

I have forgotten the passage that says whatever you ask in my name shall be given to you. Mary's name was never mentioned please. You want your prayers answered dial JESUS straight up and he'll go present them before God. I have always prayed in Jesus name and have always had results so i stand tio be corrected that Mary is a way to Jesus because your inferring total crap. She was a mortal, she was married and had children shikena.

my 2 cents #NuffSaid

First let me thank you, for saying that you stand to be corrected "that Mary is a way to Jesus". This shows that you are not as proud as that Crap that called himself truthislight. Secondly, let me tell you that you need to read peoples comment very well and understand it before you start ranting. Thirdly, the comment stated that Mary is one of, and ofcause the most effective way to get to Jesus while Jesus is the ONLY way to God. But in your ranting you make it appear as if the poster commented that Mary is the Only way to God thereby sidlining Jesus. Haven clearified your misunderstanding of that comment, let me correct you as you requested. The statement stated that "Mary is one of the ways and also "THE MOST EFFCTIVE WAY" to get to Jesus". Now let me ask you, Which way did Andrew and another disciple of John the Baptist follow to get to know that Jesus is the Lamb of God in John1:35-39? Was it not through John the Baptist, How did the Simon get to know the Messiah in john1:40-44? Was it not through his brother Andrew? How did Nathanael get to know Jesus John1:45-51? Was it not through Philip, how did the ethiopian enouch get to know Jesus? was it not through Philip? how did the paralyic man in Luke5:17-26 get to know Jesus's healing Power? Was it not through the help of his friends who were moblie? I won't talk about how Titus, Timothy and Philemon use Paul as their way to know Christ . Okay cheak this out, how did the servants at the wedding of Cana get to Know Jesus and became Highly privilaged to recive the first Miracle of Jesus "EVEN WHEN IT IS NOT YET THE TIME" in John2:1-12? Was it not through Mary. Futhemore how did Lovethywilbedon get to know Jesus for the very first time? Was it not through her/his mother who is a devote Catholic? How did Lovethywilbedon get to know Jesus as effective as she/he knows Him today? Is it not through Marys Motherly intecession? If you want to know how this happened ask my brothers Italo, Udenedictus, Chukwudi44 etc and my Sister Holyvirgin. Now on how Mary is the Most Effective way, please read John2:1-12 Note that Jesus went ahead to grant His Mothers request even when it is not yet the time appointed by God. Do you think that Jesus will perform that miracle "when it is not yet the time appointed by God" if those servants had gone to Him through john the baptist, Andrew, Philip, Paul, the friend of the paralytic, talkless of the mother of Lovethywilbedon, Knowing that "IT IS NOT YET THE TIME" for miracle. But Just with MARY alone, that heavenly PROTOCOL of "WAITING TILL GOD'S TIME" aka "God's time is the best", was totaly USELESS. And so SWEET WINE began to flow like water. I hope you are begining to understand how SCRITURALY EFFECTIVE she is, more than the rest of the ways to Jesus Put together. OH! You Protestants are Greatly UNDER ESTIMATING the power that Poor Humble Lady. You people don't know the level of Immunity she is enjoying for being the mother of Jesus. The MOTHER just makes a request and the SON obidiently carries it out in other not to disobay the FATHER who gave the LAW that children should OBAY their Father and Mother. PLEASE don't misunderstand me. Tell me of a request that Mary made that Jesus did not latter grant EVEN WHEN IT IS NOT YET THE TIME. As for mary having other children, I have just one question for you. James and his brothers Joseph, Simon and judas(almost all being apostles) who where mentioned as the brothers of Jesus, in Matt13. Do you think that the eldest amongst these men should be a Teenage boy of say 16,17or18years? Please just answer [YES]the eldest is a teenager or [NO]the eldest is not a teenager. PLEASE Just answer this question Correctly then I will prove to you that Mary had no other Child exccept Jesus.

italo: Thanks a lot for the compliments. I'm really humbled. I have been thinking and praying about the issue of discerning my vocation (whether to be a priest or not). I still can't say I've found a clear answer. Sometimes, I think I'm meant for the priesthood, other times, I think I am meant to serve God as a lay person but in a very profound way. God needs men to rise up and be priests but God also needs the lay people as the foot soldiers that will take the gospel to other people in our everyday lives like in our neighbourhoods, in schools, at work places, in the markets etc...these are areas where priests can't easily and effectively reach in today's world. I think that the highest state of being in this world is being a Catholic religious (priest, sister, brother etc) - giving up your life and all the worldly pleasures it offers and doing so for the love of Jesus. However, I think the role of laymen in the life of the Church is often underestimated and even neglected. There is so much that lay people can and should be doing that they are not even aware of...especially in this part of the world. We seem to have abandoned evangelization to the priests alone...and obviously it shouldn't be so. How many lay people sing Catholic songs, write good Catholic books, organize Catholic contemporary events etc. Many of us think our duty is just to go to mass and receive the sacraments. Many people have been misled to believe that only the religious are expected to be holy. We need lay people to tell the world that all are called to be holy...and they can do this by the way they live their lives in the midst of a society that's gone crazy and evil. If a priest says it is wrong to have premarital sex, there's the tendency for people to think "its easy for you to say." But if a lay person says it and practises it in the midst of his friends, it has the power to inspire them in a totally different way. So I sometimes think this is the hole I am called to fill. I am planning to hold Catholic events and also other contemporary means to evengelize Nigerian Catholics first, lapsed and fallen away Catholics and then non-Catholics. I hope my plans sail through this year. This is not to say that I have ruled out becoming a priest. Perhaps you can help by saying a prayer for me.

Pardon me for this epistle, but before I go, I have to say this. I have learnt so much from some other faithful Catholics on nairaland. Chukwudi44 has inspired me to learn more of Church history, Ubenedictus opens my eyes to some parts of scripture I never knew existed, Rich4God strikes my as someone who has just put his trust in the Church even in cases where he hardly understands and your very self... I learn quite a lot about using logic and tact to defend the Catholic faith from you. You guys...and some others also inspire me a lot.

I am LOVETHYWILBEDON and I APPROVE THE CONTENT OF THE ABOVE QOUTED COMMENT, most especialy on the work of the LAY APOSTOLATE. HONESTLY, If you listen to Ewtn Satelite Radio or Watch Ewtn Satelite television you will see where some lay men and women are more effective than many of our Priests in terms of Evangelism and Catholic Apologetics. These are the fruits of the Vatican II Council documents on the New Evangelisation. It is true that All Catholics, Priests, Religious and Laity are called to evangelise but the descernment of our vocation to priesthood, religious life or lay apostolate demands alot of prayer just as you mentioned. After the The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and The Silent Adoration of Jesus in The Most Holy Eucharist, another great prayer that I have discovered that helps alot in discernment is the Meditative Praying of the Holy Rosary. Ofcause I know you and other faithful Catholics are aware of this Great Prayer but many catholics take this Prayer for granted. I personaly have recived from God, two Great Miraculous answers to my prayer through this prayer. Unfortunately this prayer is the Most Criticised Prayer, just because the name of Mary, "The BELOVED MOTHER OF JESUS" was mentioned in it. As for the work you mentioned, Great amount of Scriptural with ADVANCED Catechetical work is still needed to be done on Nigerian Catholics so the woun't fall pray to these "tithe seeking", "New age" Penticostals. Honestly, when I see your works of Catholic Apologetics and that of Udenedictus with that of those you mentioned, not excluding Holyvirgin, I am encouraged that God is raising fierce Sergents that will replace the Great Generals of the Church Militant on earth in the nearest future. To you and to all faithful Catholics on Nairaland I say Grátia Dómini nostri Iesu Christi, et Cáritas Dei, et Communicátio Sancti Spíritus sit cum Ómnibus vobis.

truthislight: This were direct questions to RCC, even if you should direct him to your websight, you should atleast attempt the questions he had asked.

Cant others learn from it?

Peace.

I tell you that you are not here to learn anything about the Catholic catholic, considering the fact that you have condemed these wonderful sites even without visiting them. And I know you will never visit them less they dilute you anti-catholic mentality.

truthislight: So in other words, you dont have answers to his questions?

Why are you directing him to a dogmatic one way traffic site?

Why not have a two way discussion with him here?
Na wao!

My friend, get sitted. This shows the level of Pride in you. So you want to tell me that you didn't learn everything you have in your half empty skull from somewhere or someone. Here in Nairaland, we tackle one issue in one thread and a standard smart phone can handle a maximum of 5000 characters. With the number of questions being raise here *italo* will need a minimum of 15threads which will take at least 4 weeks to answer subsequent questions from each thread. Just because you are jobless you think he has that time. So what is wrong in direct him to an Authentic Cathtolic website where he will get the answers to his questions and also learn about the true teachings of the Catholic Church rather than the BLASPHAMOUS POISENOUS POLLUTIONS you PROTESTANTS are spreading on Nairaland against the Catholic Church. By the way, which church do you attend?, you pride yourself as a Christian and arrogance made you think you can answer every question about christianity. Okay, If you are not a COW.ARD just declear with PRIDE in your next post, "that you have the answers to ever question about Christianity", so that I will ask you just few Questions that you can't answer as long as you remain a human being living on this planet called Earth.