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@ Boomark.......................... My friend what is your PROBLEM. Which christian does not know the name of his/her Church. If you are truely a christian simply state the name of your church and let me and my brothers and sisters do the rest. You are beginig to make me suspect that you are a Moslem spying on Christian forum. Which ever one you are, simply make the name public and stop hiding behind the back drops of Nairaland. Is this too difficult, just state the NAME of you denomination and stop waisting our time because we are waiting for you and we have ALOT for you.

Boomark: idolatry is intoxicating this guy.

It has captured your 'medular oblongatar.'

SMMedular for you!!

My friend you have not even attempted any of my request and you have started attacking someone else. Is this a sign that you are ashamed of your potestant denomination?. Or are you a member of the NON-DENOMINATIONAL protestant denomination. Which ever one it is, we are waiting for you. Just make the name public and we will teach you the lesson of you life. And then show you that THE HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS, IS, AND WILL FOREVER REMAIN THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS CHRIST. You don't need to be afaid when your are "THE ORIGINAL" it is only when you are "fake"

ijawkid: Sorry to say this.....but u be MUMU....

Would you be happy if I called the scriptures ""SCROLLs"??....since the word Bible is your problem,let me start using the word SCROLLs....

All in an effort to keep engaging in idolatry you resort to childs play.....

Let me quote a scripture that showed Jesus quoted from the scriptures...or should I say Scroll??....because the same scroll Jesus read from we still read it....
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Luke 4:17

##New International Version (©1984)
The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to
him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is
written:


##New Living Translation (©2007)
The scroll of Isaiah the prophet was handed to
him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place
where this was written:
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Just like Jesus did I read from the scriptures.....I don't bow down to the scriptures nor pray through it........rather you are the ones who bow down to marys image and pray through her........blatant idolatry....

My friend you should'nt resort to using silly names on people just to make some cheap points. On the other hand let me test you level of SINCERITY if you can answer the following question CORRECTLY. [.....Question] WHO even gave these SCIPTURES or SCROLLS the very name ""BIBLE."" Is it the CATHOLICS or the PROTESTANTS/pentecostals?.

Boomark: I am not a protestant. Things i stand for are in those links i showed you. A protestant should be in a better position to state their advantages and disadvantages for you.

Why not view how catholics are believing in obvious lies formulated by satan. It you have truth in you you will drop every idol in your possession after reading them.

Boomark just look at how easily an suddenly you denied being a protestant, just because of a simple request for the remaining "95". Is this how you protestant behave?. Okay there is no problem, I will give you two options. ...........[1.] Just give me the remaining 95 differences between The Holy Roman Catholic Church and the the Protestant Churches so that I will fulfill my promise to you. ........[2.]Now I have decleared openly and publicly that I am proud to be a Catholic and I will say it again, I am proud to be a Catholic. Do you want to hear it one more time?. Okay I AM VERY PROUD TO BE A CATHOLIC. (If you want me to say it 10 more times just let me know imediately you have fulfille my request). Now if you are not ashamed of your Denomination, just state and declear its name publicly so that me and my brothers/sisters will open the remaining "Cans of Worms" on it. Maybe after todays lesson you will learn to keep QUIET when Catholics talk.

plappville: If you like hold history tightly to validate your belief that is you. What am saying is that, Christ Church was built on the very day The *Holy Spirit decended from heaven* The day know in the scripture as *PENTICOST* it did not say penticostal, protestant, catholic etc etc......but on the day of *PENTICOST* Christ church was born, not after.

Dear sister, plappville[f] you are very correct. The Church was born on the day of PENTECOST. But on that day she was born, she had no NAME. No child comes into the world bearing a name. Girl! did you come into this world bearing a name?. NO! but after some time you became known as Plappville[f] {and not ellivqqalq[m]}. That is exactly what happened to the ONE AND ONLY TRUE CHURCH FOUNDED BY CHRIST. She was born on the day of pentecost, but after some time she became known as THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH {and not protestant or penticostal church}. Sister, do you understand it now?. That is why I am still proud to be a Catholic. So you can help me to tell your protestant brothers to stop protestesting about a TRUE FACT that they cannot change.

@Todaynatoday....... Now Please NoteThe Following Seven Points. [1.] You Admitted that YOU HAVE NO POINT TO PROVE on this topic (because you have no concrete biblical sources to back up your claim). My friend, you are for once becoming SINCERE but it is TOO LATE. ...[2.] YES! everyone who heard and obayed Gods word and finally made it to heaven (All Angels and Saints) are honoured by the Catholic and some Anglican Churches because it is not easy to make heaven and most importantly, because these people haven passed through great tribulation and shared in Christ's sufferings while on earth, now in union with Christ in heaven, they share in His glory. This will includes you Todaynatoday. If you make it to heaven, you will be honoured, I pray that both of us will make heaven. (for more info read my reply to advocate666). ...[3.] Honouring Mary is important ( not compulsory) because it is good to give honour to whom honour is due and doing good things is necessary for my salvation. ...[4.] Your 2 bible verses are almost saying the same thing and in both cases Mary was included (because she also heard God's word and did God's will. Lk1:45) and this therefore indirectly proves my own point. ...[5.] However I will give you one more (now making it 5) bible verse where Mary was honoured. At the wedding in Cana. John2:1-12. To show you how Jesus respects and honours His (parent) Mary and to show you how important Mary is to Him, Jesus granted her request, even though (according to Christ) "THE TIME APPOINTED BY GOD HAS NOT COME". This is "GREAT HONOUR". In fact, this is "THE GREATEST HONOUR" ever given to a creature, because here God almost in a way "contradcited" Himself just to Obay or Please His BELOVED MOTHER Mary. Does'nt it beat your imagination how Jesus could have granted such a request that is not in accordance with the appointed time chosen by God, even when He said He came to earth to do God's will. I tell you the truth. Jesus would not have granted that request if it was made by anyone else be it Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, even Angel Gabrieal, reason being that it is not yet the time appointed by God. But guess what?. He granted the request of the Humble Virgin Mary to show her some Honour and Respect because she is His BELOVED MOTHER and He is her BELOVED SON. This is exactly the reason why we Catholics honour her. ...[6.] I think that with the help of God, I have tryed my very best to convince you that according simple Honour and Respect to Mary (The Mother of God) is not wrong but rather should be encourage. You are free to hold on to you opinion. I don't know why for the past 3 or 4 days, God singled you out of the whole members of Nairaland and dispersed almost every other person to prevent unecessary change of subject. Anyway I have done my work, let The Spirit of God do the rest. ...[7.] Finall I want to thank you for your wonderful contributions on this topic. Honestly, I must confess, you gave much research work and many sleepless night to the extent that I am awake upto 3:15am this morning of Thursday, 13th December 2012 typing a reply to you. Most importantly you made me learn more about the Sriptures and strengtened my faith in JESUS CHRIST our Lord and His One True Church [The Holy Roman Catholic Church]. Once again I say thank you Very Much, I hope to see you face to face in Heaven. REMAIN BLESSED......................................................................Your's Sister/Brother in Christ. LOVETHWILBEDON. ...............Signing Off................

(@ Boomark) ...........My Friend, stop dodging the simple request. Just give me the remaining "95" let me Dissect PROTESTANISM for you. (that is what you get for taking someone else's "Panadol")

Boomark: Ok o!

1 they use mary's image as prayer aid instead of the Holyspirit

2 they kneel and bow before images of unknown people who assign names to. Eg Jesus, Mary, Peter etc.

3 they ask saint Paul to intercede for them instead of the Holyspirit, ie praying in the spirit Rom 8:25-27.

4 they ask saint Matthew to pray for them.

5 they ask saint Banabbas to pray for them. The dead and spirit do not pray for man(no such commandment). Only man can pray for man and man pray to God.

So your turn to deliver 200. We are waiting...

Lovethywilbedon: Fxking2012 you are very funny. You must be a good comadian. So you want to tell us that all the History Books in all the Libraries and Bookshops all over the world were written by Catholics, and non was written by the Protestants or Penticostals, whichever one you prefer. PLEASE we Catholics will be DELIGHTED if you can tell us 5 DIFFERENCES between PROTESTANTS and PENTICOSTALS. Honestly, I personaly, will be hearing that for the very first time.

Lovethywilbedon: For "SURE" Just give me the "REASONABLE 5" and I will help you to "COMPLETE" yours to 200.

Is it that you don't understand simple English Language?. Go and re-read my privious post and try to understand it. Okay, let me help you. I said that you should give me "5 REASONABLE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN PROTESTANTS AND PENTICOSTALS" and I will help you to coplete the 100 you will give me about "The Catholic Church" to 200. That implies that, you have to give me your 100 First, then I will complete it to 200. Anyway you have managed to give [ many FAULSE and only one repeted TRUTH (of cause we ask the Angels and Saints who are Alife in Christ to pray for us. Rev5:7-8, Rev21:1-4. Rom15:30)] as your 5 (LIST not even a DIFFENCIATIVE COMPERISM and filled with Multiple Repetition). It is remaining 95, then I will complete it to 200. In case you think I am afraid of this "year long journey", just cheak out my [101-110] and tell me if any of them is Faulse or a Repetition. [101]. The Holy Roman Catholic was Founded by Christ though his Apostles and First Century Christians While for the Protestants any Seriously Hungry man can wake after a dream or a serious hangover and open his own "church" [102]. The Holy Roman Catholic is more than 2000 years Old While no single Protestant church is up to 500 years, "soo imature" (If you doubt it consult any history book, even the one written by fellow Protestants). [103] The Holy Roman Catholic Church has no denomination But the Protestants have more than 35,000 denominations and upto 6,000 "Non-denominatinal" denomination globally [104] The Holy Roman Catholic Church has one Pope while for the Protestants everybody becomes his own "pope" [105] The Priest of The Holy Roman Catholic don't marry While Protestant ministers can marry and divorce their wives at will, this Jesus strictly condemed in (Mt19:1-6). [106] All the Bishops of The Holy Roman Catholic Church are validly ordained by the Pope While for the Protestants any body can go to bed on Saturday only to wake up on Sunday morning and declear him/ herself a "bishop" [107] The Holy Roman Catholic Church makes use of the COMPLETE CANNON of the bible while the Protestants make use of the INCOMPLETE canno. [108] The Holy Roman Catholic Church Fix the date for all the FEAST celebrated in Christendom. Name them Christmas (which is around the corner), Palm Sunday, Good Friday, Easter, Pentecost, etc While the Protestants have nothing to fix but just to simply follow the whatever date we have fixed. (Now coming down to Nigeria)[109] Priests of The Holy Roman Catholic Church in Nigeria don't even preach about the Old Testament Tithes to there parishoners because God loves a cheerful giver who gives out of freewill and not out of compulsion, On the contrary Many, if not All Protestant ministers Enforce "Neak Breaking Tithes" on their followers simply because a single verse in the bible says that "a labourer deserves his wages" and they think it is refering to them. [110] Every Nigerian Priest of The Holy Roman Catholic Church drives whatever automobile given to him by his Bishop be it Camry or "KEKE" While on the other hand Nigerian Protestant ministers LIKES FLYING IN PRIVATE JETS. [111] The Holy Roman Catholic Churc...... infact if you will be couragious enough to give me your remaining "95" differences between The HRCC and the protestants (even though your First 5 are invalid, since they contained multiple repetitiom, and no diffrenciative comparism), I will complete it to 200 and then show you how The Holy Roman Catholc Church became "THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS CHRIST". Maybe some of you PROTESTANTS are begining to see for the First Time "WHY? I AM PROUD TO BE A CATHOLIC"

Honestly because of you INSINCERITY you have decided not to answer my question which is either "YES" or "NO" and nothing more. So far I have asked you 2 questions but you answered only 1. There is no problem, I have to keep to my promise but after this post I will not answer any of your questions untill you answer all my question the way I wanted it. Now I will show you what I call SINCERITY, even when It will make me lose some credit. With all SINCERITY The answer to you 1st question [where in the bible does it specifically say that we should accord "special" worship/honour to Mary.] is "NO" there is no place it was litelarly stated that "we should accord "special" honour to Mary". On the other hand I have priviously given you 3 [and now I will make it 4] places where Mary was honoured in the bible. Just read my privious post: (1). (Luke1:28) by God through Angel Gabrieal (2). (Luke1:42) by the Holy Spirit through Elizabeth (3).(Luke11:28) by Jesus Christ Himself (since Mary is amongs those who heard Gods word and obayed it) ***(4).(Luke11:27) A woman honoured Mary by declering her blessed (for bearing the womb that bore Christ). And for your 2nd question [and is there any record/biblical proof of early christians according worship/honour to her?] With all sincerity the answer to your question is "YES"! are you surprised? Now go back and look at that woman in no4 above, or rather let me help you (4).(Luke11:27) A woman honoure Mary by declearing or according blessings to her (for bearing the womb that bore Christ, in other words, for being the mother of Christ. Which is exactly the reason why we Catholics honour her). Now look closely at this woman. This woman is not a Moselm, a Buddist, or a Hinduist and neither is she a Jewish UNBELIVER otherwise she would not have made such a wonderful statement about Christ. Guess what?. For her to have made such a wonderful statement she must have Believed in Christ and being a follower of Christ, she is a CHRISTIAN. (Probably one of the unnamed 72 disciples of Christ). This is sincerity. Now Guess what Todaynatoday? It is now your turn to show how sincrere you are by answering my own question with all SINCERITY, though this time without yes or no since experience has taught me that you have GREAT PROBLEMS with that. Now answer, [Q1] Show me a place in the bible where it is literaly state " Thou shall not accord any single honour or respect to that poor woman called Mary because the Almighty God has used her and dumped her and therefore she deserves no single respect or honour whatsoever from any living thing". [Q2] Show me one place (remeber that in my case I gave you 4) in the bible where " Mary was Dishonoured, Disrespected, Disgraced , Sidelined, Insulted, Molested and Abused" by the early christians. PLEASE, I want you to give me these two bible SOURCES. HONESTLY if you DON'T HAVE THEM, YOU HAVE NO POINT WHATSOEVER TO PROVE ON THIS THREAD. Goodluck in your search.

Boomark: when you are done with 5, we will give you 100 DIFFERENCES BETWEEN CATHOLIC(MARYISM) AND PENTECOSTAL.

For "SURE" Just give me the "REASONABLE 5" and I will help you to "COMPLETE" yours to 200.

Todaynatoday: ^^^ you are the one acting deceitfully here. I already answered your question with my own question=> where in the bible does it specifically say that we should accord "special" worship/honour to Mary and is there any record/biblical proof of early christians according worship/honour to her?
Stop dodging the question; why can't you answer it if you are so sincere?
Mary has already been "honoured" enough since you say she has been honoured by God, why would she need mere humans to honour her if God Himself is already doing it?. She has fulfilled her purpose already; bringing Christ into the world as a man. This Christ is the one you should worship and not the vessel God used to bring Him. Anyway, my question still stands.

@ Todaynatoday I am begining to like you for you sincerity in accepting that THE ALMIGHTY GOD, [THE MOST HOLY TRINITY] THE CREATOR Of All Things Both Visible And Invisble HONORED a Poor, Humble, Young, Virgin called Mary. You know what?. I will give you 100% for that. But you need to be more sincere buy answering [YES] or [NO] to the last question I asked you and I PROMISE you that the next thing I will post here will contain (mark my words) "SINCERE Answers" to the last two questions you asked. Good Morning! and Remain Blessed! as I await you reply.

advocate666: Why are guys also not honouring Jizz-Us' grand parents? His grand mother who gave birth to the blessed immacuately conceptionned virgin must be a chosen and blessed one as well. All hail granny mary!

Thank you for you question. In the catholic church ADORATION/WORSHIP the first acts of the Virtue of Christian Religion is reserved to GOD [ THE MOST HOLY TRINITY] and GOD Alone. But for all the Saints in Heaven (of which Mary is the greatest of all of them) name them, Abraham, Isaac Jacob. Moses, Elaijha, David all the Prophes of Old, all the Patriach and Matriach of Old (including the people you mentioned, once they are in heaven) all Apostles and Martrys all holy men and women, are simply honoured. WHY? Because these people (so numerous to count) haven passed through great tribulations and haven washed their gament in the blood of the lamb, God "first" honoured them by accepting them into heaven and being united with the LAMB they share in his glory. And we on earth appreciate the exaplary life they lived while on earth by according them some honour and respect. This is all about giving honour to whom honour is due. Some of these protestant don't know they owe honour to Goodluck Ebere Jonathan, they are waiting until they see his name literaly stated in the bible. They don't know they owe honour and respect to our country Nigeria, simply because Nigeria is not in the bible. They don't know they owe honour to objects like the Nigerian Flag, the Nigerian Coat Of Arm or an object as simple as the Twenty Naira[N20] note, though some of know. What beats my imagination is how infuriated these people become when the see some sincere Christians like the Catholic and some Anglicans giving simple honour to the Blessed Virgin Mary, The GREATEST SAINT of ALL-(I mean)-TIME! The VIRGIN MOTHER of GOD THE SON JESUS CHRIST Who they all Worship and Adore. Honestly I see this as one of the Greatest act of hypocrisy in Christendom.

Todaynatoday: It's amazing, the length people would go to defend something that is obviously not true. @lovethywilbedon, just answer my simple question and stop twisting scriptures. Where in the bible does it specifically say we should accord "special" honour/worship to Mary?

@Todaynatoday I thought that you are sincere. So you can't answer the SIMPLE [YES] or [NO]?.

FXKing2012: History has been known to be twisted severally to suit the.interest of d writers. And protestant is not exactly thesame as pentecostal, pls go read d history books u so much blv in.

Fxking2012 you are very funny. You must be a good comadian. So you want to tell us that all the History Books in all the Libraries and Bookshops all over the world were written by Catholics, and non was written by the Protestants or Penticostals, whichever one you prefer. PLEASE we Catholics will be DELIGHTED if you can tell us 5 DIFFERENCES between PROTESTANTS and PENTICOSTALS. Honestly, I personaly, will be hearing that for the very first time.

Todaynatoday: @lovethywilbedon, I really do not know how you think. I showed you a verse where someone was praising Mary and Jesus rebuked the person saying "rather, blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it". What is so complex about the statement? okay take this scenario:
lovethywilbedon=> Hail Mary mother of Jesus, blessed art thou among women. Blessed are you for giving birth to the Christ.
Jesus Christ=> lovethywilbedon, that is not important. The important thing is for you to hear the word of God and do His will.

Thank you very much for your sincerity in answering that question. I just need you to be sincere [just] for once as I fulfil your request. Also I forgot to inform you, PLEASE try to choose your words properply because anything you "say" here will be used against you. That is the the reason why I prefer that you simply answer YES or NO. Now from one of your post you use the phrase"HAIL MARY" but you forgot that God was the first to HAIL Mary. Luke1:26-28 " In the sixth month of Elizabeth's pregnancy God sent the angel Gabriel to a town in Galilee.... 27) And THE WORD OF GOD WAS ADDRESSED to a young virgin,... HAIL MARY, FULL OF GRACE..... Did you hear that? God HAILED Mary!!!. May be this is not enough. Luke1:41-42 Elizabeth filled with "THE HOLY SPIRIT" said "BLESSED ARE YOU" among....... Did you here that?. The "HOLY SPIRIT" speaking though Elizabeth proclaimed Mary "BLESSED". Do you need more?. If you want to hear the one from JESUS CHRIST read my previous post. Now with all sincerity, when you HAIL someone or PROCLAIM someone BLESSED are you not HONOURING that person?. By your last post you answered YES!. Finally, if God HONOURED Mary,[ by HAILING her through Gabriel (Luke1:28)] and the Holy Spirit HONOURED Mary, [by proclaiming her BLESSED through Elizabeth (Luke 1:42)] and Jesus Christ Himself HONOURED Mary by declaring her BLESSED [for hearing the word of God and obaying it (Luke11:28)], Do You Think It Is Worng For Christians To Honour Mary?. Please be sincere just for once and for the good of both of us. Just answer [YES] or [NO].

FXKing2012: I think I'd rather stick to my bible rather than those books written by atheists and unbelievers.

plappville: I said back your claim with Scripture, what has that got to do with ur question if «bible is in the bible » another traditional♪♪♪ in display!

Honestly I don't know what is wrong with all PROTESTANTS. So you people can't differentiate between a BIBLICAL FACT and a HISTORICAL FACT. That something is not in the bible does not mean that it is not TRUE. Example1) 1+1=2 is it in the bibe? NO!. Is it true? YES!. Why?. Because it is a MATHEMATICAL FACT and not a biblical fact. Example2) World War 2 ended in 1945. TRUE or FAULSE ? TRUE!. Is it in the bible? NO!. Why? It is not a biblical fact, it is a HISTORICAL FACT. Example3) The earth is round. TRUE or FAULSE? TRUE!. Is it in the bible? NO. Why? Because it is a SCIENTIFIC FACT. One more example!! All Penticostal or rather Protestant churches started after M. Luther [ ie more than 1,500 years after The Holy Roman Catholic Church]. TRUE or FAULSE?. TRUE!. Is it in the bible?. NO!. Why? BECAUSE IT IS A HISTORICAL FACT and not a biblical fact. The Anglicans, the Moslems, even the Unbelivers know this and some sincere protestants anyway. As for you, You will get to know this any day you become a SINCERE PROTESTANT or you go and read your history nootbook and learn more H I S T O R I C A L F A C T S.

@ Todaynatoday. Thank you my brother in Christ for your nice post. But you still have not answered the simple question. So once again I ask you, By according or proclaiming someone BLESSED are you not HONOURING that person? PLEASE answer YES or NO and stop trying to dodge the simple question.

@ Todaynatoday Once again I say Thanks you very much, but this time, for contradicting yourself. In your first post you qouted Luke 11 v 28 saying "blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it" then in your second post you accepted that "Mary heard the word of God and obeyed it, which implies that she is blessed according Luke 11v28. Now wait, the bible verse you have qouated is saying that mary is BLESSED [because she heard the word of God and obayed it]. When you say that someone is BLESSED are you not Honouring that person?. Please answer YES or No.

[quote author=Todaynatoday]. THANK You my friend for the the underlined words, this show how some people understand the scriptures. AND YOU DONT THINK THAT MARY HEARD THE WORD OF GOD AND OBEYED IT?. Tell me also that "honuoring yor father and mother" is not necessary for your salvation.

Thank you very much. Ijawkid , But how come you dont see the word "PROTESTANTS" in the Bible or any where in the History of Mankind untill as late as 14th Century, ie during the time of Luther, this is 1,500 year after Christ.
_____________________________[/quote]Thank you very much. Ijawkid But how come you dont see the word "PROTESTANTS" in the Bible or any where in the History of Mankind untill as late as 14th Century, ie during the time of Luther, this is 1,500 year after Christ.

And you don't think that Jesus honoured His Father and His mother while on earth?.

ijawkid: I have a feeling and it seems its true that most of the atheists we have around were ex-catholics....

Just my observation......if I'm wrong abeg make ona correct me.......

Because the way they fly out to defend the catholic church stupefies me.......

Smh!!!!!......

Brother you are wrong, This is just in fulfilment of the word of Christ in the parable of the weeding feast that " unbelivers and task collectors will be welcomed into the kingdom and occupy the first seat while you sons of the kingdom will be cast out". They read the world history and accept the true facts before them but you protestants will always see the TRUTH and alway protest against it just like your father Luther. Since they see the truth about history and accept it while you keep protesting against it, dont you think that they are more closer to the kingdon then you are.

Today being 8th December, Catholics World wide celebrate the feast of Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and that reminds me of the question most of us who are catholic eventually get asked here on NairaLand, "Why do you catholics worship Mary?". More often than not the question is not a real question. It is a rhetorical question. A "rhetorical question" is a question whose purpose is not to seek an answer but rather to make a ( usually hostile) point. For example the expression "who do you think you are?" or"what do you think you know?" is in form of a question but it does not seek an answer. Instead it is meant as a rebuke. And so it is when we catholics get asked the "question" why do you whorship Mary?. We are usually aware that it is not a sincere question seeking a sincere answer. However, for those cases where an answer really is sought it results to the following answer "well, of course we don't whorship Mary since that would be a terrible sin. Whorship belongs to God alone. We do honor her though, after all, she is the mother of Jesus Christ. But let me ask you a question. Why In Your Church, Do You Not Honor Mary At All?. I mean "AT ALL". Doesn't Scripture say Every generation will call [Mary] blessed because God who is mighty has done great things for [her]? {Luke 1: 48-49}. It seems to me that we catholics are fulfilling scripture but that in your denomination you are not fulfilling or following it. So why don't you honor her "AT ALL"? Please don't try to digress, just answer the simple question. Why do you hate the mother of Jesus Christ soo much?. Why are you people soo irritated when ever her name is mentioned?. Why don't you honor her "At ALL" or atleast call her blessed as the Bible says?.

tobechi20 You appear to be sincere at the beginning of your post but at the tail end it became ovious you opened this thread to attack the catholic church. As for your question three things are necessary 1) The Sacred Scripture ie The Bible 2)The Sacred Tradition {handed down by the apostles down the ages from one generation to the next} 3)The Infallible Interpreting Authority. Striktlymi has explained NO1 & NO2 to a reasonable extent. Now You don't need to be a christian to understand that without NO 3 any Sturbon Hungry man can pick up NO 1 and give his own personal interpretation, and claim to be guided by The Holy Spirit, and how can you disprove his claim if his personal interpretation is perfectly in accordance with one or two verses in the Scripture. This is exactly what is happening in the penticostal or rather PROTESTANT churches world over. With more than 35,000 PROTESTANT Denominations and over 8,000 NON-DENOMIMATIONAL Denomination round the globe. ALL reading the SAME BIBLE. ALL guided by the SAME "HOLY SPIRIT",but ALL giving DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS and consequently DIFFRENT OPINION on issues like DIVORCE, ABORTION, HOMOSEXUALITY, GAY MARRIAGE, EUTHENESIA, WOMEN ORDINATION, CONTRACEPTION, EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS, to mention but a few. Yet, as I said ALL are guided by THE SAME "HOLY SPIRIT". Brother don't you think NO 3 (AN INFALLIBLE INTERPRETING AUTHORITY) is also very important or have you desided to close your eyes to the vissible reality. Maybe this is the fulfilment of CHRIST WORD that "They Will Look And Look But They Will Not See".

FXKing2012: The apostles were called Christians for the first time on the day of the penticost (Acts 2). This means that the first Christians were penticostal Christians.
So quit spreading the false notion that the first Christians were catholics.

Point of correction,all these religious shops, investments or establishments you call churchs are not formally called penticostals but rather PROTESTANTS and that is what they will always be. Just look at how you employed logic in PROTESTING about a historical fact that you cannot change. Even non christians and Anglicans knows that The HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH is the one and only Church founded by JESUS CHRIST. No other christian denomination can date as little as 5 centuries back. Please if you don't know the history of your estabishment go and ask your CEO.