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First I want to thank you OP for the effort you and others are meking to dialogue with people who are waging wars against the TRUTH just because of the the "implication" of accepting IT. EVOLUTION THEORY, being the most impotant tool used by Atheist to explain the existence of different life forms on earth, is NOTHING BUT A FALLACIOUS THEORY. I nearly contempleted such a FALLACY untill I read through the source below. If you want to see how FALLACIOUS AND IMPOSSIBLE it is for EVOLUTION, especialy of man, to be true, PLEASE take your time to read the source below, honestly,it is lengthy, but it is HIGHLY INFORMATIVE.
READ http://www.ldolphin.org/wmwilliams.html

9jadelta: rabbish

Is that all you can say before runnig away, without answering any of his questions? The TITLE of this thread (Why Atheist "RUNAWAY" From This Thread?)is becoming more OBVIOUS to me.

Kay 17: 1. God is a necessary being

2. If God exists, he necessarily exists

3. God is a Supernatural Cause.

4. Causes can be Natural.

5. A cause is either supernatural or natural.

6. A cause is not necessarily Supernatural.

7. Therefore God is not necessary and hence can not exist.

What a "TRUNCATED SENCELESS LOGIC". Let me give you a similar analogy of what you posted, and I will see what you can make out of it.
1. ALCOHOL is a necessary liquid.
2. If ALCOHOL exist, it necessarily exist.
3. ALCOHOL is an artificial liquid.
4. Liquids can be natural.
5. A Liquid can be artificial or natural.
6. A Liquid is not necessarity artificial.
7. Therefore ALCOHOL is not necessary and hence can not exist.
The loophole in you logic is in the CONCLUTION that if something is not necessary, hence, it can not exist. If this is true, then why is it that "byproducts of metabolism"(which are no more necessary) still exist?

DatNiggaAk: The government should grant the Ombatse Militia amnesty.
If boko haram can be granted amnesty, they equally deserve it too.
Boko haram kills soldiers, Ombatse Militia has not killed soldiers
boko haram kills prison wardens, Ombatse Militia has not killed prison wardens
boko haram bombs churches,UN buildings, markets, Ombatse Militia does not bomb anywhere
boko haram opens fire on civilians in public, Ombatse Militia only kills fulani herdsmen and niger/chadian mercenaries
boko haram kills policemen, Ombatse Militia kills policemen.
Unless GEJ wants them to join boko haram in wanton killings, they should be granted amnesty now or recruited by GEJ to fight boko haram since they are not affected by bullets and have managed to repel fulani herdsmen who are on a reign of terror in the middle belt.
Because they are not from the core north does not mean they should be discriminated against.

With this, where do we stop in granting AMNESTY, if this is right, then THE SO CALLED AMNESTY should be granted to all PRISONERS who commited less crimes and consequently anyone will become FREE to kill his or her neighbor and be rewarded with AMNESTY. HOUNESTLY, there is a PROBLEM with our VERSION OF AMNESTY,if it becomes "AN AMNESTY FOR ALL"

Paschal007: See how catholics are foaming in the mouth cus a woman was allegedly made a priest. Freakin' misogynists...

And What makes you think she became a CATHOLIC PRIEST just by calling some people to lay their hands on her and waist some precious time? DO YOU THINK IT IS THAT EASY TO BECOME A CATHOLIC PRIEST? Just as anyone can wake up on a sunday morning and declear his/herself A BISHOP in other Christian Denominations.

yugotee: Rosemarie Smead was ordained by the dissident group Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests Saturday 27th April 2013 at a Louisville church.

This is the first of such ordination in Louisville by the Women Priests group, which has been holding those services around the world. Smead's service took place in a Protestant sanctuary, St. Andrew's United Church of Christ on Saturday.

So, If you are a Roman Catholic, would you support a female priest? For more details and comments visit http://yugotee..com/2013/04/us-woman-rosemarie-smead-ordained.html

WHAT A WAIST OF TIME!

baynix: Somebody posted this on my Facebook:

I used to be Agnostic... But today i turned to an Atheist! I took my 3rd Jamb Last saturday... And the God who i had so served diligently, gave me 156. Not that i didnt study for the exam, or something but i dont just know what happened. The little faith i used to have in the existence of God, ended this morning after i saw that result! From now henceforth, no more Church services, no more 'our father', no more 'Hail mary'. From today henceforth i'll live as a free man bonded to no fairytale called 'Religion'!

- Chijioke Eze

His Fellow Atheists.. The Ministry Is Moving!!

Okay nah, I will see how this decision will help him/her pass the next JAMB; See my friend let me tell you, everybody must not be a gradguate of a university to make it in life, so this is not the end of the world possibly this is the worst thing that has happened in his or her life.

zilon12: @ least because of science, you now know a little about dark matter and rotation of the earth

I wonder if the bible would have ever revealed that to you

so this is how you cowardly avoided answering the simple question, atleast you should have HONOUREBLY said that you dont know. So you have known now that "all that happens in life are not physical and humans are not behind everything". okay I will ask you another question, I hope this time you will become man enough and answer the simple question. Now those things that happen which no human is behind, eg THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH, WHO IS BEHIND THEM? PLEASE be man enough.

Chris†Kid:
Gay Anglican Bishops are better than pedophilé catholic priests

WHY must you draw the Catholic church into this. I thought this thread was created for Anglicans to explain somethings for the op, so why will "A HEAVLY DARKENED POT" point accusing fingers on "a lightly stained kettle" calling it BLACK. WHY?

NL member: Happy birthday Smartiegirl (I saw your birthday cake on your profile).
The answer to answer your question is no, Jesus was never a teenager.
Jesus was never a teenager because he never existed, there was never any person like Jesus Christ son of god or prophet of god or whatever. He just never existed, he was a made up character.
There is not one single historical record that talks about the person of Jesus Christ, no historical account, no biography, no evidence to support the stories of his existence. Nothing.
The only historian whose books contained mention of Jesus was Josephus flavius and it has long been proven that the information in his books about Jesus Christ are fraudulent and were added to those books centuries after his (Josephus') death.

Proved by who? Enemies of Christianity. Why is it that everything written by the Great Jewish Historian "Josephus Flavius" about the Jews and their Antiquities, were accepted by all to be true and authentic EXCEPT his Testimony about Jesus. WHY? IS THIS NOT DELIBRATLY MASTERMINDED BY THE ENEMIES OF OUR SALVATION.

Smartie gurl: Just wanna knw what his teenage life was all about.......

Then go and read "Jesus of Nazareth": The Infancy Narratives by Pope Benedict XVI

zilon12: I've come to terms with the fact that God doesnt exist. All that happens in life is just physical and there is always somebody human behind it.


Most christian keep using God to achieve their personal desires because in Africa, majority still believe in God

I want to stop pretending

As you can see brother Zilon12, in nairaland, EVERYBODY is FREE to THINK WHATEVER HE/SHE LIKES, but in reality, NOBODY is FREE to FORCE me to take WHATEVER HE THINKS as TRUTH. You said that "All that happens in life is just physical" and "there is always somebody human behind it." So you want me to belive that this statement is correct? okay, let me ask you 2 question which I just hope you will answer, What is physical about "The Dark Matter" and how is someone "human" behind its existence, or behind the ROTATION OF THE EARTH?

Smartie gurl: You guys better say something......why was it not stated in the Bible? Dnt just view and go away....

Na waaho! na fight? must every viewer comment, I see, maybe this is your first thread on nairaland, consequently your are begging for comment. People will comment in a thread they found educative.By the way, I have given you 2, I hope that makes you happy.

Smartie gurl: I have been wondering if Jesus was ever a teenager.......from what i learnt, after the age of 12 he was never mentioned until the age of 30.......my question is.......did he not pass the phase of a teenager? If yes explain and if no why? Hope to get a meaningful explanation from you all. Thanks!

Please use your head, PLEASE. So simply because it is not stated in the bible, you then think that Jesus became 30years after his 12th year. please MAKE USE OF THE HEAD THAT GOD GAVE YOU, except you creatad this thread to make some JOKES.

Logicboy03: Great.....

*eating popcorn and awaiting enigma's possible comment*





#preemptive butthurt

This your popcorn noh de finish, when will you start eating beta food?

Thank you for this wonderful thread. I hope it makes it to the front page. Yes I will not forget to pray for you. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit AMEN, God Almighty please bless this Child of yours *doublecee* grant him the grace to love and serve You in truth and in spirit, in the end may You reward him with eternal life AMEN.In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit AMEN. Remain BLESSED OP.

Chukskalidon: Hail Mary, full of grace, the lord is thee, Blessed are u among women and Blessed is the fruit thy womb Jesus.
What would u say to the holy mother? Would u join d bible to call her blessed or would join d devil to tremble at her feet?

okay you want to know what I will say, no problem. TO THE MOTHER OF GOD I say, OH! SWEET MOTHER, OH! LOVELY MOTHER, OH! MY QUEEN, OH! MY LADY, OH! MY LOVE, OH! SWEETEST VIRGIN, OH! MOTHER OF DIVINE LOVE, OH! VIRGIN MOST PURE, OH! HEALTH OF THE SICK, I love you. please op let me know if you want more.

#Strictlymi# I just want to salute your POWER OF CREATIVITY. HONSTLY I am YET to see a thread as UNIQUE as this on NAIRALAND RELIGIOUS SECTION.

Boomark: Do you need to tell him that?

Tell him to also prove from the bible that catholics decided what went into it(bible).

YOU must have posted this by mistake otherwise something must be wrong somewhere.

chukwudi44: I had often wonder why st Anthony was so blessed.God really used him to perform the strangest of miracles.one of the most famous been his preaching to the fishes at the river in Rimini.

His canonisation only took 9 months the shortest in the history of the church.Some had even argued he had performed more miracles posthumously than when he was alive.

St pio the first priest to get the stigmata was another great saint and alongside Pope JP2,mother theresa,and kolbe the greatest saints of the twentieth century.

I am HAPPY NOW that you have started including KOLBE in your list. As a matter of FACT this is the BEST LIST OF SAINTS I have seen on NAIRALAND.

Sal C: I think saint Pio had similar gifts

Yes, But no One has MANIFESTED similar gift like KOLBE except Christ who is his MODEL.

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chukwudi44: I know about maximillian kolbe and his sacrifice but am particular about how spiritually gifted st Anthony was.

He had the gift of healing,prophesy,speaking in tongues,levitation,bilocation among others.He is one of the most spiritually endowed people to have ever lived

That is true, He is also a Doctor of the Church and also one the most popular catholic saints. But many other saints have these gifts that he had, on the other hand I will show you something new, I mean a gift which no other saint had the oppurtunity to manifest(even if they had it), except KOLBE. My own saint has the Gift of what I call "The Divine MORE GREATER LOVE", I know you may not have heard of that before, Okay let me explain. In John15:13 Christ said:"Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends". Now if Christ could Call "dieing for your friend" Greater Love, what will you call dieing for a "Stranger", I mean dieing for someone who is not your friend, me I call that "A MORE GREATER LOVE". He did this in imitation of JESUS CHRIST who Displayed the "GREATEST LOVE EVER" by dieing for we CONDEMED SINNERS. Christ talked about "Greater Love", Kolbe manifested "A MORE Greater Love" while that of Christ is and will forever remain GREATEST. No other siant had the OPPURTUNITY to manifest such "A MORE GREATER LOVE". Please if anyone knows another Saint I will be happy to know.

sojics: For me I don't think it is proper to confess your sins to God through a priest, though I am not a catholic, I confess my own sins to the Almighty God direct.

That is for you, but as you can see from above, the bible didn't condemn confession as many protestants claim, but rather, it SUPPORTS it.

chukwudi44: I really love st Anthony of padua as well.That guy was really endowed with so many spiritual gifts.

You are saying this because you don't know the marty of Auschwitz SAINT Maximilian Mary Kolbe. That's my favorite Saint.

Goshen360: There's nothing wrong calling spiritual authority 'father'. Don't people call their biological father, 'father'? There's also a context of 'spiritual' father. I did expound on this in the past, last month or so, if I could still find that thread, I will post it. Christ never meant don't call 'spiritual' authorities 'father'.

Goshen360 Honestly, you are sounding Catholic this afternoon. let just wait until frosbel and his brothers see this your COMMENT, because I will "bet" they DISAGREE with you.

Matthew 23:9, "And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in Heaven." Notice, however, that this makes no distinction between spiritual fathers, which is what our priests are to us, and biological fathers. In other words, if you interpret this passage to say, absolutely, that no man is to be called father, you cannot distinguish between calling a priest, father, and calling the man who is married to your mother, father.

But, is that actually what this passage is saying? Or is Jesus warning us against trying to usurp the fatherhood of God? Which, in many ways, is what the Pharisees and Scribes were doing. They wanted all attention focused on them...they were leaving God, the Father, out of the equation. Which is why Jesus goes on to call them hypocrites, liars, and whitewashed tombs.

If you interpret this passage from Matthew 23 as an absolute ban against calling anyone your spiritual father, then there are some problems for you in the rest of Scripture. For example, Jesus, in the story of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16, has the rich man referring to Abraham as "father" several times. Paul, in Romans chapter 4, refers to Abraham as the "father" of the uncircumcised, the Gentiles. That's referring to spiritual fatherhood, not biological fatherhood.

In Acts 7:1-2, the first Christian martyr, Stephen, referred to the Jewish authorities and elders who were about to stone him as brothers and "fathers," as does Paul in Acts, chapter 22. This is referring to spiritual fatherhood. So, if you interpret Matthew 23 as saying we cannot call anyone our spiritual father, then you have a problem with Jesus, Paul, Stephen, and the Holy Spirit...they must have all gotten it wrong.

It is okay to call priests "father", just as it was okay for Jesus and Paul to call Abraham "father" and for Stephen and Paul to call the Jewish elders "father." As long as we remember that our true Father is God the Father and that all aspects of fatherhood, biological and spiritual, are derived from Him. And as long as we do not allow anyone else to usurp that role in any way, shape, or form, as the Pharisees and Scribes were prone to do.

Source http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/apologetics/two_minute

Well, the quick answer is because that's the way God wants us to do it. In James 5:16, God, through Sacred Scripture, commands us to "confess our sins to one another." Notice, Scripture does not say confess your sins straight to God and only to God...it says confess your sins to one another.

In Matthew, chapter 9, verse 6, Jesus tells us that He was given authority on earth to forgive sins. And then Scripture proceeds to tell us, in verse 8, that this authority was given to "men"...plural.

In John 20, verses 21-23, what is the 1st thing Jesus says to the gathered disciples on the night of His resurrection? "Jesus said to them, 'Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.'" How did the Father send Jesus? Well, we just saw in Mt 9 that the Father sent Jesus with the authority on earth to forgive sins. Now, Jesus sends out His disciples as the Father has sent Him...so, what authority must Jesus be sending His disciples out with? The authority on earth to forgive sins. And, just in case they didn't get it, verses 22-23 say this, "And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.'"

Why would Jesus give the Apostles the power to forgive or to retain sins if He wasn't expecting folks to confess their sins to them? And how could they forgive or retain sins if no one was confessing their sins to them?

The Bible tells us to confess our sins to one another. It also tells us that God gave men the authority on Earth to forgive sins. Jesus sends out His disciples with the authority on earth to forgive sins. When Catholics confess our sins to a priest, we are simply following the plan laid down by Jesus Christ. He forgives sins through the priest...it is God's power, but He exercises that power through the ministry of the priest.

italo: All these things you are doing, Jesus never did. Yet you blame others for doing things that Jesus never did. That is hypocrisy.

I SAID that these people are HYPOCRITES, but some people thought I was JOKING.

Jesus HONOURED Mary more than we Catholic Can EVER DO. At the wedding in Cana. John2:1-12. To show you how Jesus respects and honours His (parent) Mary and to show you how important Mary is to Him, Jesus granted her request, even though (according to Christ) "THE TIME APPOINTED BY GOD HAS NOT COME". This is "GREAT HONOUR". In fact, this is "THE GREATEST HONOUR" ever given to a creature. Does'nt it beat your imagination how Jesus could have granted such a request that is not in accordance with the appointed time chosen by God, even when He said He came to earth to do God's will. I tell you the truth. Jesus would not have granted that request if it was made by anyone else be it Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Elijah, even Angel Gabrieal, reason being that it is not yet the time appointed by God. But guess what?. He granted the request of the Humble Virgin Mary to show her some Honour and Respect because she is His BELOVED MOTHER and He is her BELOVED SON. This is exactly the reason why we Catholics honour her.

Nosu: @Roland: these are philosophy and emotional talk. U don't use emotion or human philosophy to interpret the scriptures.

Pls answer dis 2 simple questions

1. Where is it written in the scripture that christians should honour MAry.

2. Did the disciples honour mary before and after the death of Jesus.

See, Jesus, himself did not even mention Mary while he was teaching the disciple and the multitude. his concern was the father,the kingdom and the unsaved world. She was just a privilege woman

Now let me answer your Question with all sincerity.There is no place it was litelarly stated that "we should accord "special" honour to Mary". On the other hand I will show you 4 places where Mary was honoured in the bible. (1). (Luke1:28)Here mary was honoured (HAILED) by God through Angel Gabrieal (2). (Luke1:42)Here mary was honoured (DECLERED BLESSED) by the Holy Spirit SPEAKING through Elizabeth (3).(Luke11:28) by Jesus Christ Himself (since Mary is amongs those who heard Gods word and obayed it) ***(4).(Luke11:27) A woman honoured Mary by declering her blessed (for bearing the womb that bore Christ). And for your 2nd question (Did the disciples honour mary before and after the death of Jesus). With all sincerity the answer to your question is "YES"! are you surprised? Now go back and look at that woman in no4 above, or rather let me help you (4).(Luke11:27) A woman honoure Mary by declearing or according blessings to her (for bearing the womb that bore Christ, in other words, for being the mother of Christ. Which is exactly the reason why we Catholics honour her). Now look closely at this woman. This woman is not a Jewish UNBELIVER otherwise she would not have made such a wonderful statement about "THE WOMB THAT BORE" Christ. Guess what?. For her to have made such a wonderful statement she must have Believed in Christ and being a follower of Christ, she is a "DISCIPLE". (Probably one of the unnamed 72 disciples of Christ). This is sincerity. Now Guess what *Nosu*? It is now your turn to show how sincrere you are by answering my own question with all SINCERITY. Now answer, [Q1] Show me a place in the bible where it is literaly state " Thou shall not accord any single honour or respect to that poor woman called Mary because the Almighty God has used her and dumped her and therefore she deserves no single respect or honour whatsoever from any living thing". [Q2] Show me one place (remember I gave you 4) in the bible where " Mary was Dishonoured, Disrespected, Disgraced , Sidelined, Insulted, Molested and Abused" by Jesus or any of His Disciples. PLEASE, I want you to give me these two bible SOURCES. HONESTLY if you DON'T HAVE THEM, YOU HAVE NO POINT WHATSOEVER TO PROVE ON THIS THREAD. Goodluck in your search.

frosbel: Not all will turn from idols to serve GOD , for those who will , we keep on preaching the gospel which is through ONLY Jesus Christ, no Mary or dead saints or the pope etc.

How I wish you have read and Understood 1 Corinthians10:16-17 and 1 Corinthians11:17-34, you would have known the GRAVITY of your BLASPHAMY and the EXTENT you went in DENIYING BIBLICAL TRUTHS.

italo: Jesus saves through his Church.

The funny thing is that the more I investigate, the more I realize how true the Church is...especially when I investigate your posts and find out how far envious and bitter people will go to unjustly discredit the Church with lies and half-truths.

That is on simple truth these Anti-Catholics don't undestand. The MORE I see their INABILITY to NAME a "BETTER CHURCH" the more I become STRONGLY CONVICED that The Catholic Church is THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE CHURCH, founded by Christ.