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kelrob:
Thanks i will go see a doctor today.... I am just pained right now not even cos of what people re saying, but because all these started in the church while i was worshiping.

for those that do not believe, I pray dat when you truly need help God will send you guys an helper and not someone who will mock your situation. Amen.

Bros, don't be angry with them. They're doing their father’s work. As you get deep with God, you will understand better.

Sir, I also had an encounter with Christ during a 7 days programme in our Church. The title of the Programme is simply Holy Spirit.

What I experience During and after the programme was much more than you experienced.

But I'll share with you one of the things I experienced. I started dreaming....... I rarely remember my dreams before then. I'm not just dreaming, I was interpreting my dreams. I've dreamt Close to 500 dreams and visions and interpreted more than that.

And I've seen close to 100 manifestation of my dreams and visions. And my sister told me of one 2days ago.

Sir,what you are feeling is one of the manifestation of the Holy Spirit. Do not panic. He will reveal what it means to you.

Read His words, ensure you don't do anything that will makes it to depart from you. Continue your service to Him.

meeky007:
dats d best comment i've ever had

But cant u change dat ur name(luvmejeje)to something meaningful/reasonable

Hehehe! Nairaland no kill person. I've been using this monicker since 2012. It's not my personal name. It's a monicker that means love me gently.

Emeskhalifa:
Here is too open for me to discuss my life , but what u said is helping me connect some dots....

You are welcome.

adepeter26:
How do you know you ve the holy spirit? You've been dodging this question sweetheart

As I earlier said, it's going to be part of my testimony if God permits me. I'll definitely share it but when is what I don't know. I promised to copy you all.

paxonel, 5. Yes, and i said sound of the trumpet is like a parable in the context of that scripture which literally means to call or gather people into Christianity worldwide by preaching, not necessarily using trumpet.
Have you ever read another sound of the trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:52?
That one is a different kind of call entirely in the context of that scripture.
Non of these sound of the trumpets was used to represent rapture as asserted by today christians.
I will suggest that in your spare time, go back and read the book of Matthew and take it down to revelation, it will help you have a full understanding what the whole new testament is all about

As I earlier said, I'm happy you're an entertainer. Please strictly face your entertainment Bussiness. Don't venture into church business o.

Martinez19:
nonsense, that novel was more interesting and it aroused your interest but when it came to the bible, you only had a sense of duty. The reason why you found bible boring instead of a novel is the same reason why some students know almost all the players in big football teams rather than their books. One appeals to their interest but the other does not.

You have to stop being a sheeple, your prayers are working in the realm of your delusion and against petty things which are natural but not fully understood by you. Your prayers are fervent and seem to working against spirit spouse, failure at the edge and so called spiritual attacks which your religious leaders have made up for you but this your prayers can't cure malaria, raise the dead, restore an amputee or even protect you. Prayer had never been known to heal cancer. You have to wake up.

The Devil is a liar. Sir, the Bible contained innumerable riches, wisdom and knowledge of God. You can't finish exploring it till you leave this earth.

The reason I was sleeping is because the devil know I'll be a thorn to his side if I discovered what were contained in there. The reason I was struggling was because I thought the words were story. But it was not stories, it was spirit and for me to understand it, I need the Holy Spirit.

The biggest mistake is to read the Bible without the Holy Spirit. You will continue sleeping like me.

SSBN:
You guys are NUTS !!!

Supported. Hehehe, don't mind them. They've not seen life. Their parents are still feeding them.

Bros, don't stop that prayer. If possible, Increase the alacrity of your prayer. You will talk from morning to night foam will not come out but during prayer it will start coming out. Unacceptable.

It's not only prayer, when I was still an upcoming Christian, I won't be able to finish reading a chapter in a Bible without falling asleep but I can sit down to read 1000 pages of a novel in a day. Is that ordinary?

hahn:
Come back to Christ to do what? Pay tithe? Enrich a pastorpreneur? Live in fear of and imaginary god's wrath? Make enemies of my family members because they are supposed to be against my progress? Blame the devil for my problems? Come to nairaland and defend my imagination like an e-diot? Make sense of a book that is full of crap?

For what exactly?

I was once like you. Life will teach you otherwise. It's well.

hahn:
Come back to Christ to do what? Pay tithe? Enrich a pastorpreneur? Live in fear of and imaginary god's wrath? Make enemies of my family members because they are supposed to be against my progress? Blame the devil for my problems? Come to nairaland and defend my imagination like an e-diot? Make sense of a book that is full of crap?

For what exactly?

I was once like you. It's well.

adepeter26:
Lol. OK then.

Meet you in hell for who's right & wrong

You will meet yourselves in hell if you all refuse to repent.

I'll not be part of you IJN.

analice107:
My... I remember when i first got here. lol.

Seun's Christianity bashing thread was the first thread that welcome to this section. I was so furious that he was abusing his position.

adepeter26:
How did you arrive at this conclusion?
If I may ask,
- do have that faith?
- do you have that spirit of god?

Have at the back of your mind that some atheists here belong to one of the Abrahamic religion in the past eg HardMirror, Akintom, Myself, Hahn, obinna58, HCPaul, dalaman etc. Infact, many defended the Bible, preached the word of God both offline and online.

Really? All these mischievous people were once a Christian? I too was once like them sha but I wasn't bad like them.

There's still hope that you'll all come back to Christ.

adepeter26:
So sayeth the Bible.

Na you Sabi. Don't worry when someone else who has the basic understanding of the Bible ask the same question I'll answer it.

obinna58:
Are you saying that "I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth" is going to take faith and the spirit of God to understand?
Many atheists here were once a devoted Christians, it's ain't gonna be easy using their brain.

I'm not not explaining that verse alone, I'm also going deeper into terrains that's beyond your reasoning. But I'll leave you with a verse that encompass what I've been saying..
1st Cor 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

adepeter26:
Did I state going to church as a yardstick for been a devoted Christian.?

I said I was a devoted Christian which spans through every activity men of god do.
I communicated with god and god communicating me but came to realise I was hallucinating all alone.
I had deep relationship with God not knowing I was all alone.
I prayed to god not knowing I was talking to myself and making noise.
I went to attended church and its programmes.
I spoke in tongues not knowing I was deceiving myself and audience by saying nonsense.
I preached the word of god not knowing I was been close-minded.


I ask again, what are the criteria for understanding the Bíble?

You see what I'm saying. You don't know Him.

Don't worry, if God permits me I'll share my personal encounter with Christ with you all as a testimony.

Welcome to religion section. You will get use to their negative attitude.

obinna58:

you av been having the conversation b4, are u stylishly taking ur heels

I'm not stylishly running. I just realized it's going to be counterproductive. The book of revelation takes faith and the spirit of God to understand which Atheist don't believe in.

adepeter26:
Haaaa. Which kan excuse come bẹ Dis? Book of révélation too big for a non-Christian?

May I remind you of the fact that (in time past), I was a devoted Christian for 22years. All my life, I thought the Bible was right and without errors until I started to read again with an open mind, relating events together.

Do you wanna tell me you understand the Bible more than I do just because you label yourself a christian currently? If yes, what are the criteria used to understand the Bible?

Sir, I'm once a Christian like you. I was born into church. I've never missed a Sunday service. I was going to church and I was doubting Him until I've a personal encounter with Him Last year.

Going to church everyday of your life doesn't Mara. It's knowing Him that matters.

adepeter26:
Supposing this is a Bible study class, you done fall hands.

Which kan wàhálà come bẹ Dis naw...

Abeg hopefulLandlord, describe this kind of discussion....

She just terminated the class

The book of revelation is too big for a non-Christian. It's not meant for Atheist. Emabinu jor.

adepeter26:
Now it's no longer verse 2 but verse 1? Funny you.
I like your style. You quote the part that best explain your point ignoring the other.

Im still with you sha.

You failed to complete verse 1.
Anyways, To ya verse one, standing at the four corners doing what? According to the Bible, holding the wind? (lol) holding the wind indeed.
Angels now hold air

Standing and holding doesn't mean same thing but in this context, what were the angels doing?
And please, I like the way you're taking the words of the Bible literal by citing distinctive difference between holding and standing. Kindly be fair pls, does that verse of the Bible dismiss the fact that it was referring to a flat earth (FOUR CORNERS)?

I'm happy you just exposed my eyes to another flaw in the Bible. (can wind be held)? Or what message was the Bible passing across by using the FOUR ANGELS, FOUR CORNERS ?

Abeg I'm waiting for proper interpretation.

I'm sorry I can't have this conversation with a guy who don't believe in God talkless of an angel holding a wind.

A Christian should please quote me.

chemystery:
And how does that stop the earth from having four corners like my bedroom?

If you would like to know, my bed is located at the western path of my bedroom

I'm beginning to see I'll have to go into another round of explanation. Cc adepeter26

This is what the OP wrote:

THE ANGELS OF GOD ARE HOLDING THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH

This is what the Bible said:

1.Then I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth
My question to both of you is, does standing and holding means the same to you?

chemystery:
But you ain't seeing the 7.175 billion people that are not Rastafarian?

Go on, keep luring gullible ones to the broad way that leads to destruction.

The greater burden still lies on the Rastafarians in converting 2.2billion people who's chosen the broad way

Goodluck and wish me Goodluck too.

adepeter26:
Rev 7:1

1.Then I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds so they did not blow on the earth or the sea, or even on any tree.

2.And I saw another angel coming up from the east, carrying the seal of the living God. And he shouted to those four angels, who had been given power to harm land and sea,

Read verse 2 emphasis on East. If you Still have any question let me know.

chemystery:
How many did you see that have not known about Jah Rastafari or come to His knowledge?

I'm seeing 600,000 Rastafaris we still have to convince about Christ. That's still alot.

Hmmmmm.... . OP you will a very powerful vessel in the hands of God. But only if you get close to Him.

The devil knows you will be a powerful vessel in the hands of God and if you don't decide to live a life of holiness and obedience to God, the devil will continue having an upper hand over you.

I'm only seeing 5 billions people that have not yet known about Christ or come to His knowledge

Paxonel

8.what is the name of my church? I belong to the kingdom of God. Catholic, Protestants, winners, redeem, deeper life, alladura, cele, .
So long it is church.
I'm not a pastor, I'm entertainer, don't want to mention

I'm so happy that you don't belong to any church. I'm also happy you're just an entertainer. May God bless your entertainment ministry.

paxonel
3. Few people among his disciples saw him after he resurrected. Therefore, the saying that few people will enter the kingdom of God has come to pass. that few christians has grown to what is known as the biggest religion today, after 2000 years.
Now,google it!
What religion of the world has the highest adherents?
Now doubt, Christianity!
Hence,the parable of the mustard seed has come to pass.right now, all tribes of the earth are mourning. Do you know what it means to be born and groomed in a religion only to realize someday that, that religion is not the way?
Jesus says I am the way..
Just like moses lifted up the serpant in the wilderness, so shall the son of man(Christianity) be lifted.
Because Jesus founded the Christian faith.
Without faith, it is impossible to please God.
So, when Jesus was saying all tribes of the earth shall see him, he literally and prophetically meant all tribes of the earth shall hear about Christianity, today very few nations have not heard about Christianity.

I still have a lot of questions. You said Few people among his disciples saw him after he resurrected. Therefore, the saying that few people will enter the kingdom of God has come to pass

1. The Bible verse you're trying to quote is Many are called but few are choosen. But Jesus said all the tribes of the earth will see him coming. So where was it quoted in the Bible that Jesus called many after he resurrected but it's only few that responded?

2. The disciples were the only people that saw him, does that mean it will be only the disciples that will enter the kingdom of God?

You also said that few christians has grown to what is known as the biggest religion today, after 2000 years.
Now,google it!
What religion of the world has the highest adherents?
Now doubt, Christianity!
Hence,the parable of the mustard seed has come to pass.right now, all tribes of the earth are mourning.

3. But Jesus said His elect will be gathered together, have Christians gathered together?

4. But you said few will be choosen, but we are having billions and billions of Christians?

You also said, when Jesus was saying all tribes of the earth shall see him, he literally and prophetically meant all tribes of the earth shall hear about Christianity, today very few nations have not heard about Christianity.

5. But Jesus, He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. You didn't address this question o.

JMAN05:
The angel is not the one said to bear the "record", but John. This is a record of the saying that John received thru this revelation. Verse 2 is describing John, not the timing of what he wrote.



Yes, verse 1 shows he was speaking of what will happen in the furure. However, I see no support for your last statement.



Verse 1 is describing the revelation. There isn't any mystery there.

Okayyyyy. .. .. . Let us read together from verse 1 using NKJV.

The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave Him to show His Servants
Emphasis on Him and His. It was capitalized. Which means Him and His was referring to Christ. Let us remove Him and His and replace it with His name.

The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave Jesus to show Jesus's servants (christians through John) - things which must take place. And He(Jesus) sent it and signified it by His(Jesus's) Angels to His (Jesus's) servant John who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw.

To buttress my point that John didn't see only see what will happen but also what had happened, Jesus himself said in revelation 1:19

Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are and the things which will take place after this

Let me correct myself. Jesus reveal to John what has happened, what's happening and what will happen.

adepeter26:
Do spheres have corners?
Does an oval shape object have for corners?

Locate the corners pls

Before answering your question quote the scripture where you got it from?

Olodo calling Christians Olodo. So the angels holding the four corner of the earth equate the earth is flat.

paxonel:
No! He was not lying, he was saying something entirely different from what we current day Christians think as rapture.
Questions we should ask when reading scriptures like these are :
1.To whom was Jesus talking to?
Ans:To his disciples who were not yet Christians because the kingdom of God was not established on earth as at that time.
2.when did he made the statement?
Ans:shortly before he was crucified, before the kingdom was established.
3.What was he talking about?
Ans:He was specifically talking about his crucifixion and resurrection which is actually his power and glory signifying the kingdom of God here on earth(THE WORD CLOUDS SIGNIFIES THE CLORY OF GOD HERE ON EARTH WHICH IS THIS SAME CHRISTIANITY ESTABLISHED BY JESUS THE DAY HE RESURECTED, NOT RAPTURE!!)
Remember he was making this statements shorty before he was crucified. And that crucifixion brought salvation which is the Christian religion we are practicing today.
Do you now see the correlation?
If you think properly you will understand.
Unfortunately, we Africans don't think.
Anything we pastor talk for church na we dey swallow, so te our neck don hook
Anyways
.

Okayyyyy.. .. .. .. I've more questions.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Appearance of Christ in heaven means the resurrection of Christ and the kingdom of God signify the practice of Christianity.

1. But what does Jesus mean when he said, all the tribes of the earth shall see the son of man coming?

2. When Jesus died and resurrected was it recorded anywhere in the Bible that all the tribe of the earth saw him?

3. Who were the people that saw him?

4. If the disciples were not yet a Christian what were they?

5. Define Christianity?


31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


6. When Jesus resurrected, was it recorded in the Bible that there was a great sound of trumpet?

7. If the practice of Christianity signify that rapture have taken place, how come we are not yet gathered in one place?

8. What's the name of your church?