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Willzz:
I believe every man has within him the life force of God but its all about been conscious of such life. You know, you are the first christain I have met on nairaland who did not use insults to drive home her points.
We all are entitle to our different opinions, there will be no need to keep running this rat race.
Enjoy your night My Lady

Thank you Sir, and do enjoy your night too.

Willzz:
Ma, if man had the God-consciousness before the fall, he wouldn't have eating from the tree of knowledge because been God-conscious comes with the knowledge to tell good from bad.
I also disagree with you ma about man eating from the tree of life before his supposed fall because a single taste would have made him immortal which was wat the gods never wanted.
Anyways, I really appreciate you for taking out some minutes out of your busy schedule to reply to my posts, I have learnt a few things, I'm grateful

I'll appreciate you quoting Biblical verses to back your claim.

But to let you know that when Adam ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil he lost God-conciousness . Gen 2:17 says

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Death was the judgement of their disobedience. If they were not already exhibiting God-conciousness, He wouldn't have given them the options. He wouldn't have tested them.

Eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil doesn't mean man will not know the difference between good and evil.

It only means man forfeit his right to eat the tree of life and thereby live forever.

Willzz:
Ma, from your reply above concerning God sending man away because he has become of them simply means God never created man to be awaken to the God-conciousness but to be ignorant of his true nature which is the God life.
Perhaps, that is why some christain sects believe the serpent came to set man free from yahweh

You missed the other part of the quote which is :
lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever

But before this Adam has been eating of this tree of life. Adam has been awaken to the God-conciousness before His disobedience .
God didn't sent Adam out of Eden because they have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But they were sent out because He didn't want them to eat of the tree of life again which they were eating before. Gen 2:16
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Including the tree of life. They were eating already from the tree of life. They were already God like. Their disobedience made them lose their right.

Willzz:
With all due respect ma, how was man suppose to know eating the fruit would be bad when he had no knowledge of good and evil before then?

Beautiful question with a direct answer.

God told them. It was a test. It was a simple instruction.
I have gotten another revelation. Thanks for asking me this question .

Do you know eating of tree of the knowledge of good and evil is not the sin they committed. It was because they simply didn't hearken to the voice of God.

What do I mean? Gen 3:23 says

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever

Emphasis on the man has become as one of us. But that was God's purpose from the beginning. He created man in His own image.

This show the tree of the knowledge of good and evil wasn't the sin. The sin was them failing the test. The sin was the sin of disobedience.

I don't know if I'm making sense?

JMAN05:
See what notable scholars say about that phrase:

Barne's Note says:

"And the things which shall be hereafter - The Greek phrase rendered "hereafter" - μετὰ ταῦτα meta tauta - means "after these things"; that is, he was to make a correct representation of the things which then were, and then to record what would occur "after these things:" to wit, of the images, symbols, and truths, which would be disclosed to him after what he had already seen. The expression refers to future times. He does not say for how long a time; but the revelations which were to be made referred to events which were to occur beyond those which were then taking place."


Jamieson-Fausset-Brown commentary:

"things which are—"the things which thou hast seen" are those narrated in this chapter (compare Re 1:11). "The things which are" imply the present state of things in the churches when John was writing, as represented in the second and third chapters. "The things which shall be hereafter," the things symbolically represented concerning the future history of the fourth through twenty-second chapters. Alford translates, "What things they signify"; but the antithesis of the next clause forbids this, "the things which shall be hereafter," Greek, "which are about to come to pass." The plural (Greek) "are," instead of the usual Greek construction singular, is owing to churches and persons being meant by things" in the clause, "the things which are."



You just showed you misunderstood that verse two also.

The witness John bore was the scenes that were disclosed to him in the vision of which he penned down. Not the record of the history of God or Jesus entire existence. My goodness! You don't understand this? Habah!

See a scholars comment on that too:

Barnes' Note: "
Who bare record of the word of God - Who bore witness to, or testified of ἐμαρτύρησεν emarturēsen the Word of God. He regarded himself merely as a "witness" of what he had seen, and claimed only to make a fair and faithful "record" of it. "This is the disciple which "testifieth" (ὁ μαρτυρῶν ho marturōn) of these things, and wrote these things," John 21:24. "And he that saw it bare record" - μεμαρτύρηκε memarturēke John 19:35. Compare also the following places, where the apostle uses the same word of himself: 1 John 1:2; 1 John 4:14."




I hope this is not a revelation from the holy spirit, because I wouldn't have you insult God by spewing rubbish about His spirit. Don't dare your maker.

Let me help you, for its glaring that you keep missing the point.

Let's use your illustration, if am present when the will was written, can I be a witness? Yes. In this case, John saw when the prophesy was shown him thru a revelation/vision before he wrote it. can't he be a witness?

I hate it when people quote Scholars. Quote the Bible. If you're sure of yourself quote the Bible.

I've quoted several Bible verses to back up what I said. Quote yours. Don't quote people because you're not sure those people are in heaven.

Please don't bring your so called holy spirit here. Don't make the holy spirit a liar by your inability to understand simple phrase. Or perhaps, you do have a demonic spirit that wants you to buttress lies as if it is truth.

Due to this conversation, I've gotten a personal revelation. So I thank you.

I tend not to discuss spirituality with people who can't see beyond their nose.

And when next you quote me, quote the Bible. If not don't bother.

Oga, My Lord and savior resurrected the 3rd day and He lives forever.

1st Cor 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

AnonyNymous:
This led me to 'tasting' so many religions but still not finding my answers. And here I am today.

Wow! I've once being your shoe but I only limited myself to 2 religions . Growing up I've followed a friend to a mosque to pray. I've gone to different churches but I knew something was still missing till I discovered it.

The only thing I'll advise you is to ask God to reveal himself to you if He is real. It's a short prayer.

God don't care.

AnonyNymous:
Thank you for replying. A question I have for you now is, what evidence do you have that those two people were sent by the creator of the universe? What evidence do you have that Moses was 'sent' by the one who formed existence billions of years ago, and what evidence do you have that Jesus is his son?

Remember, if the bible is your only source of proof, then your belief is akin to other religions, in the sense that they also have their holy books, compiled by humans who claim to be divinely inspired. From their holy books they were also able to draw out figures who they believe were sent by the creator of the universe.

Beautiful question. Someone else has asked this question. And my answer simply is because I've had an encounter with Christ.

Sir, I can't logically prove it because it's beyond human reasoning. It's beyond the reasoning of the natural man.

ftechclass:
5) Luvmijeje (Fallacymijeje)
HopefulLandlord padi.

This babe funny die. She is trying on NL just say ehh, *mouth sealed*

I like her for something, she wisely give-up

All these unconstitutional and unorganized group of people again.

adepeter26:
Confusion in the atmosphere

Hahahahahaha.

Go and sit down.

An2elect2:
Don't judge what most religious men term "evil" on the surface. When something is hated with no better reason than appealing to man's emotional sense its best you look at it again.

This sect that is termed "evil" is the foundation of Protestantism. It is what Martin Luther preached, what the "prince of preachers" Charles Spurgeon preached, what Paul the apostle preached.

I tell you the doctrines they preached were not taken lightly by men who had only an outward form of religion. It is like that now.

The truth is always hated by the majority. So it is now. The reformed doctrines TULIP give God all the glory and acknowledge a call to holiness but only by God's grace.

See the way she's praising men.

Doctrines are rules of men. They're not laws of God. They will not get you to heaven.

How are you sure Martin Luther is in Heaven?

Ecc 11:9 says

I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill

Madame, Ask the Holspirit to speak to you. Stop carrying your church on your head.

Do you know God said if you're not baptized with water and the Holy Spirit you cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Did God say with church doctrines?

AnonyNymous:
-he knew this confusion would arise if he tried to send the definition of sin through humans. He knew that different definitions would arise (I.e, different religions, different holy books) due to OMNISCIENCE

-he has been watching these events unfold (due to OMNIPRESENCE)

-he is capable of stopping the confusion as regards to the meaning of sin, and unify all religions in the clearest way possible, such that there will be only one religion - the truth (due to OMNIPOTENCE)

Why then, does he allow the confusion on earth as to what is right and what is wrong to go on?

Genesis 2:16-17

16 But the Lord God warned him, “You may freely eat the fruit of every tree in the garden— 17 except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.”

Sir, this is the first commandments God gave to man. I'll use the above test to answer the questions you raised.

Why does God allowed confusion on earth as to what's right and wrong?

Answer: Because God is not an Authur of confusion. Men created problem for themselves because of their disobedience.

Why did He send definition of sin through humans?

Answer: These men are not just human but they are Prophet of God and the Son of God. And who are they? Moses and Jesus respectively.

he is capable of stopping the confusion as regards to the meaning of sin, and unify all religions in the clearest way possible.

Answer: After the confusion caused by the hands of men due to their disobedience God sent His son Christ to stop the confusion caused by men. Mark 16:15-16 says
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Sir, God is not the authur of confusion.

AnonyNymous:
Please oblige me and reply to the concerns I raised. They're not intended to mock your beliefs in any way. Who knows, you could be 'saving a soul'. But apart from that I would really like to know the Christian point of view on the op.

You spoke well. I promised to respond to your concerns later in the day.

AnonyNymous:
I suggest you read further and thoroughly digest my points. Sin, according to the Bible is clearly written. Sin, according to the Quran is clearly written. Sin, according to the Torah is clearly written. However, each of these definitions of sin are different. Also, each of these definitions of sin were brought to us by humans who all claim to be divinely inspired by the same God. So, on what basis do you think your definition of sin is the correct one? If you say

-because you 'feel it in your heart'

-because of faith

-because of personal experience

Then you are no different from the bushman who slaughters his fellow humans in sacrifice. Or the suicide bomber who kills for his God. Why? Because according to his religion's definition of sin, those actions are not bad. And he is convinced for the same reason you are:

-he feels it in his heart

-he has faith that he's doing the right thing

-he believes that he has had a personal encounter with God, just as you believe you have.

So then comes my question. If there is a supernatural God existing beyond the confines of space and time who is omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient,

-he knew this confusion would arise if he tried to send the definition of sin through humans. He knew that different definitions would arise (I.e, different religions, different holy books) due to OMNISCIENCE

-he has been watching these events unfold (due to OMNIPRESENCE)

-he is capable of stopping the confusion as regards to the meaning of sin, and unify all religions in the clearest way possible, such that there will be only one religion - the truth (due to OMNIPOTENCE)

Why then, does he allow the confusion on earth as to what is right and what is wrong to go on?

So you are not even a Christian. Wrong thread.. .. .. Na that girl carry come here.

An2elect2:
Luvmijeje may the Lord rebuke you for accusing me of preaching what I've never preached.

Just because you don't know how God works, is not same for others.

You can keep trusting in your righteousness and falsely calling it the grace of God, I'll stick to Christ as my righteousness. No thanks.

Hehehe! Rebuke nko Rebuke ni!

Continue reading the Bible upside down and I promised to always shut down your erroneous teachings.

What's the name of your fake church or you're not proud of it?

Zandha:
So EVERYTHING, including evil is part of God's will and predetermined by him? So, what business does God have punishing evil people if everything has been predestined and has, in fact, ALREADY happened (since God isn't bound by time)? So some people are already destined for hell, and some others for heaven? Then what is the point of this whole show? To gratify your God's bestial and sadistic tendencies? What sort of a Psychopath do you worship? Isn't it better to accept that this God his false than believe in this kind of evil nonsense that renders everybody innocent and [color=darkgreen]UNACCOUNTABLE to their deeds[/color] since they're just automatons subject to God's whims and caprices?

Are you a Calvinist?

Thank you Sir for the questions. I'm tired of An2elect2's teachings.

She's indirectly doing the work of the devil because she's telling people not to bother living a life of righteousness.

By the way, An2elect2, what's the name of your church?

AnonyNymous, sin', on the other hand, isn't so clear. Our conscience is built upon by the morality of the society we live in. Which is why those who haven't been exposed to civilization can easily behead another human being as a sacrifice, and see absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Sin is not so clear. Is it not clearly written in the Bible?in case you missed it Genesis 9:6 said.

6 If anyone takes a human life, that person’s life will also be taken by human hands. For God made human beings[a] in his own image

JMAN05:
2. From what you have posted as regards the timing the prophesy covered - it says 'things which are(not which were), and things to happen after this'. Oga, it is saying things present and the things future. There is nothing, I mean noting that implies something prior to the timing of the prophecy.

'The things which are'

1.Has the serpent left the earth?

2.is he still not on the earth?

Now back to the first argument. I get tired easily of going back and forth but I don't why the Holy Spirit is not allowing me to let this argument slide away.

Revelation 1:8 Jesus

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Now my questions

1. Does the book of revelation contain the whole history of Christ?

2. Was John is the beginning with Christ?

3. If he wasn't why will he be bear the record of the word of God and the testimony of Christ.

To buttress my point Revelation 4:1 says

After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

This was the angel who bore the records of the words of God and the testimony of Christ.

To end this conversation John himself said in revelation 1:9 said.....
I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Oga, did you see witness the word of God? How can a man who wasn't in the beginning bear the witness of God.

Extras:

I just got this revelation now.. .. .. .. testament is reveal after the death of a testator.

For instance when a will also known as testament is being read by the Lawyer and as a friend of the family, you were there to listen to reading, can you be called a witness to the will?

NO, because you were not there when the will was being written.

analice107:
A friend of mine (She's late now) died becos she defied her mother and got married. These things seems strange, but they happen.

When we were kids, My friend's mother was one of those women you'd want to call "Strong". She had kids with three men, but she raised all of them by herself. She raised them like the rich would. sent them to good schools. Her kids were different from others.

She did all kinds of business to see her Children through school. Only one of her 9 Children is not a graduate. She did very well training her kids and they are doing very well, ONLY, the females who are the majority, don't marry.

She has just three sons, one is late too.

The first to marry was the fourth daughter. Her husband died mysteriously. No one suspected mama of course. But she confessed later to be responsible. To save her daughter from the wrath of her coven members, she killed her husband and left her with two little girls, who she helped care for.

The third daughter (The woman's first four children were all ladies) had become really born again in S.U. She knew what was going on by revelations, she met a Christian man, married and cut off completely from home. She was called all manner of names, she didn't care. she stayed away.

Their first daughter travelled home suddenly, and while there, their mother was poisoned. It was discovered that the Lady poisoned her own Mum. Why? She had tried everything to marry to no avail. A man will come, get her pregnant, but no marriage. Then she started enquiring because things weren't adding up.

She was told everywhere she went that, her mother made a deal with the underworld to give her kids the best in change for their perpetual Spinsterhood. She was told, except their mother dies, no lady in the family would marry.

Knowing her siblings won't believe her, she took it upon herself to kill their mum and rescue them all.

Now, it was discovered that the old woman was poisoned. Investigation was made, she was discovered, You can imagine what others did to her. The community banished her from ever coming back home until she appeases the gods.
Not long after that, the fourth daughter travelled overseas, met a Nigerian over there, married again. Pictures, videos of the events were sent home.

She got pregnant, then Hell was let loose again. Till today, she's not able to explain what happened, but she was arrested by the American police, and transported back to Nigeria.

She was heavily pregnant when she came home.

Time for delivery, she couldn't. Remember shd had married before and had two kids, but this time, she couldn't push a baby. Meanwhile Mama was around for a visit.

She went into comma. she was placed on life support. The doctors were trying to save one of them. In the process, the baby inside of her died.

As you can imagine, all manner of prayers was done. All manner of people were called to pray. One of the women called to pray Sees. She has the revelational gifts. So she saw wat was wrong.

She went to the house very early in the morning (Mama who came to care for her daughter was at home sleeping o) So, this prophetess went home, woke mama up in the presence of everyone, by this time, folks have traveled far and near to be close to the dying lady. So. she called Mama, she told mama the history of her life before everyone. Things no one else could possibly know. Her Children were shocked how the prophetess could know all that.

Mama, had no choice but to break down in tears confessing how a friend had cornered her into Witchcraft cult when she was still younger, to help her train her kids, only if she pays her dues.

She didn't want to kill any of them, so she made a deal that none of the daughters shd marry. It worked until Josephine her third daughter escaped into Christianity and married.

She was taken to the Hospital afterwards, she put water in her mouth, poured it her daughter, reverse the curse over her daughter, called her spirit back and demanded that she delivers. Like joke, that's exactly what happened.

Now, others knows who Mama is, they called back their senior sister and made peace.

They took Mama for deliverance. because she cried for help. But hmmm. was she really delivered?

The lady recovered from the comma, surgery was done. She lost the child, but survived. Her husband came back to Nigeria. They are fine, but cut off completely from Mama.

My friend who is or was, the fifth daughter, met a man, married had a daughter. When Obasanjo was President, he sent some Nurses over to the USA for an exchange programme which took place then. My friend was one of the Nurse sent.

On reaching America, while embarking from the plane, she started felling Headache. Headache became a thing of concern. Others were doing what they went there for, she was in the Hospital.

American doctors did all manner of Scans to check why she was having such headaches, they found nothing. They did M.R.I to ascertain what was wrong, nothing was found.

Confusion everywhere, she died in the hands of the Doctors. They were thrown into panic.

She was brought back and buried. Later, it was discovered Mama's members were still at it, because, although, she has confessed here, but didn't break her affinity to them.

So, yes, these things happen.

This is not Nollywood. it happen to people i know and are still alive.

It was this friend i followed to church her where i fell under anointing for the first time. She was the one i asked to teach me how to pray when i first got born again. She helped me through alot during my trial days. *wipestears*

But today, she has gone ahead of me.
RIP M.J.

Wow. Thank you ma for sharing this with us.

I think the Pastor is related to the bride. Because he really took this issue personally.

Sir, God's interested in His Children prospering in all ways... ... . Spiritually, physically and materially.

Yesterday, my pastor preached about spiritual prosperity and it was an eye opener. And today physical prosperity. Wednesday material prosperity.


But to answer your question, the first week of May and the topic was simply 'Obedience'

I will call upon the Lord,
Who's worthy worthy to be praised,
So shall I be saved from my enemies
Psalm 67:7

Pro 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it

Christian's Parents should train up their children to fear and love God. They should not train up rebellious children who will grow up and start raining online and offline insult on God and by this raining curses upon their lives.

Thank God for my mum(Iya deeperlife) for raising her children well. Though I've doubt as an adult but I've never open my mouth to rain insult on God.

IKC10:
My dear sister, you should know that someone who is already against the Word of God, will continue to see flaws in it. We need do more than just trying to share knowledge with them, we also need to keep praying for them in love

Yes ooo. We even raised it as a prayer point in Church yesterday. That God should turn every oppositions of the gospel to preachers of the gospel.

Twice I've voted 2 men who are incompetent and openly tribalistic as Presidents. Can we as a country ever get it right? Can Nigerians have a break?

kelrob:
Good day guys let me start by saying this.. I am not sick I have gone to see the doctor already.

Before I went to see the doctor this afternoon I prayed to God that he should speak to me cos part of me was scared due to what I was seeing on this thread and the research I made concerning parkiston like someone suggested, tho I still have my Faith and Love of God intact.

I know the ignorant ones won't believe what I am about to say.

After praying I decided to read my bible.

was about reading the book of Jobs when for some Unknown reason I switched to the book of judges. my plan was to.read two chapters and then I encountered Judges 6:23 while reading. which has settled it for me.


You see I was already thinking about if it was really a disease and death.

And so I called my friend (the one we prayed together) God bless her for me. I told her everything.

And she has made me understand some certain things, and she reminded me again what my mission on earth was.

Thank you guys. also I have seen someone like me too who has been in something similar and still in it.

here is the link
https://www.christianforums.com/threads/why-do-peoples-hand-shake-sometimes-when-the-holy-spirit-falls-on-them.7271006/

Eyahhh.. .. .. Atheists desist from doing your father's works. If something is beyond your reasoning, it's not a must you must comment.

You are tampering with something that has a far reaching consequences.

Recycling of thread. I don't envy Atheist's life o. You've ask these questions millions of time.

Thepasserby:
I have quite a lot to tell you about this. Please do send me a mail and we can discuss better... There are a lot of baby Christians and God-haters on nairaland who will not understand what I have to say. You can see my email in my signature.

Shalom.. .

Please share it with us here. You will be surprised there are a lot people you are and you will encourage with your words.

I read an online article recently that really blessed my life. Sir it was written when I was still in a diaper.

As someone else has said we must not be ignorant of the Devil's device. As a Christian we must be obedience to God's instructions and always ensure to ask Him before taking any step. Most importantly be prayerful.

A friend of mine who got married 2 years ago was told by God to have a quiet wedding but she has been dreaming of a big wedding all her life. So she couldn't resist not having a big wedding. Few months after she lost Her mother in an accident.

I didn't connect the dots till you raise this thread. Atheists will tell you it's life. But ma, as Christians we need to vigilant and obedient.