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Empiree: This kind of situations make people lose faith. Remember Europe used to be religious Christians (devout and practicing) but they are now "Christians" but in reality, they are essentially atheists after two wars (ww1 and 2). It was like Christians vs Christians and folks started questioning where is God.

Similarly, what's gong on in the middle east is pretty much the same thing with variation. I am afraid that atheism will emerge in the ME or people will just be "Muslims" but no sign of practicing in them. Right now, is like back to square one. Imagine preaching to convince a none Muslim for the last 10 years all through AQDA brouhaha and the person was getting close to becoming a Muslim and then it's isis. This non-Muslim asks is this Islam you want me to embrace?. This sounds like a perfect excuse in akhira because this non Muslim sees nothing but fitna coming from the Ummah we so much admire and he or she is confused.

I honestly wanted to refrain from blame game but cant resist. Who are the people behind these atrocities and what do they want?. In my opinion, apart from what tbaba posted up there, which perfectly describes the current situation, it is important to also note that I personally blame Ulama of the Sunni especially. I asked this question on youtube why all these outcries about isis? why didnt ulama condemn western power for empowering, proving weapons, money and strategy for those people; calling them moderate group, free syrian army, freedom fighters and everything now blown out of proportion and we screaming?. Why didnt Ulama around the world and especially those in the west condemn western politicians for arming these mujirimun?. Ulama of the Sunni supported whatever the West support. They against whatever the west again. This is real problem. If they had publicly condemned the west for supplying these criminals, non-Muslims would see things differently by now.

The same forces who rendered EU godless are still at work. In 2011, i used to be on FBook publicly denouncing support for the rebel by govt around the world. Some sisters from TN argued with me that Qaddafi was bad and he should be eradicated. I said no problem but when the rebels turn against you later, please dont start screaming terrorists. Exactly what happened when they killed ambassador Stephen. Truth be told, here on NL same thing happened few months ago when some brothers said nothing wrong with the West providing Syrian opposition weapons. I pretty much silent on the thread. Are we this shortsighted that we cant see isis coming?. I condemned uprising against Assad in the beginning when i saw western influence. But lots of people including respected Sheiks and those in the US, were talking about Assad is evil. No denying that but here we are today because of our foolishness. It's still silly for Muslims to form coalition with the west against isis. Both sides are not worthy of thanks. I cried waking up this morning thinking about current situation. And the media pretend as if muslims are not suffering from Western foreign policy and isis. They mostly focus on Christians persecution. Portraying these criminals as Sunnis. They are pure criminals. Olohun lo ma da ejo afeyin peran.

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tbaba12345, this is what a honest post looks like. Not your copy and pastes from dubious muslim speakers.

Empiree: This kind of situations make people lose faith. Remember Europe used to be religious Christians (devout and practicing) but they are now "Christians" but in reality, they are essentially atheists after two wars (ww1 and 2). It was like Christians vs Christians and folks started questioning where is God.

Similarly, what's gong on in the middle east is pretty much the same thing with variation. I am afraid that atheism will emerge in the ME or people will just be "Muslims" but no sign of practicing in them. Right now, is like back to square one. Imagine preaching to convince a none Muslim for the last 10 years all through AQDA brouhaha and the person was getting close to becoming a Muslim and then it's isis. This non-Muslim asks is this Islam you want me to embrace?. This sounds like a perfect excuse in akhira because this non Muslim sees nothing but fitna coming from the Ummah we so much admire and he or she is confused.

I honestly wanted to refrain from blame game but cant resist. Who are the people behind these atrocities and what do they want?. In my opinion, apart from what tbaba posted up there, which perfectly describes the current situation, it is important to also note that I personally blame Ulama of the Sunni especially. I asked this question on youtube why all these outcries about isis? why didnt ulama condemn western power for empowering, proving weapons, money and strategy for those people; calling them moderate group, free syrian army, freedom fighters and everything now blown out of proportion and we screaming?. Why didnt Ulama around the world and especially those in the west condemn western politicians for arming these mujirimun?. Ulama of the Sunni supported whatever the West support. They against whatever the west again. This is real problem. If they had publicly condemned the west for supplying these criminals, non-Muslims would see things differently by now.

The same forces who rendered EU godless are still at work. In 2011, i used to be on FBook publicly denouncing support for the rebel by govt around the world. Some sisters from TN argued with me that Qaddafi was bad and he should be eradicated. I said no problem but when the rebels turn against you later, please dont start screaming terrorists. Exactly what happened when they killed ambassador Stephen. Truth be told, here on NL same thing happened few months ago when some brothers said nothing wrong with the West providing Syrian opposition weapons. I pretty much silent on the thread. Are we this shortsighted that we cant see isis coming?. I condemned uprising against Assad in the beginning when i saw western influence. But lots of people including respected Sheiks and those in the US, were talking about Assad is evil. No denying that but here we are today because of our foolishness. It's still silly for Muslims to form coalition with the west against isis. Both sides are not worthy of thanks. I cried waking up this morning thinking about current situation. And the media pretend as if muslims are not suffering from Western foreign policy and isis. They mostly focus on Christians persecution. Portraying these criminals as Sunnis. They are pure criminals. Olohun lo ma da ejo afeyin peran.

https://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140824164559/r2d/images/4/43/I_WANT_THAT_BUMPER_STICKER_AT_THE_END_176474f9633be79c51334b632a8836d5.jpg



Well said. Well said.

For the first time, I agree with you

arsenalwenger: It is unacceptable to critcize the religion of peace. If you criticise the religion of peace in pakistan or saudi arabia, you might be hanged.

Check out any thread on religious intolerance.....the very loud muslims on this section are very quiet- either that or they ban such threads


proof is in the pudding

Empiree: hey brother, I really don't care if you did something. I don't and I don't think any Muslim here treat you criminally. and I don't care if you have 1000 usernames. nor do I take you seriously here. I just consider here for me as pastime. I have absolutely nothing negative about you other than we discuss a topic and we agree or disagree. that's it. I don't take anything personal here. okay?

Yawn

Keep lying to yourself

The Qatar women's basketball team forfeited their Asian Games group match against Mongolia after being denied permission to wear the hijab.


A Games spokeswoman said the players had been asked to remove the Islamic head scarf before the game but refused.
"As far as I know, it's an issue of the International Basketball Federation, not the Asian Games," she added.

World basketball regulations list headgear and hair accessories among the items that are prohibited on court.

Qatari player Amal Mohamed A Mohamed said they had been assured before they travelled to the Games in Incheon, South Korea, they would be able to wear the hijab and warned that her team would continue to boycott matches if the rule remained unchanged.
"We were told that we would be able to participate in matches by wearing a hijab," she said. "However, the organisers of the Asian Games said to us that players with the hijab cannot play today's match.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/basketball/29342986

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Please, derail the thread some more.

usba: How is our multiple personality disordered individual doing?

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Resorting to abuse when the religion is challenged.


So sad

usba: but you did something wrong, you are not perfect, it takes nothing from you to apologize when you are wrong, it is all part of being human.

I did nothing wrong. I was innocent and was treated like a criminal.

baba11: ..Firstly,we need to ask:Who is her friends?Who does she love to be associated to??Which associations does she associated toetc...if the above questions' answers are muslims,she is bounded to marry muslims otherwise she'll marry christians..to change this trends,we have to make them believe in US..also,they need to improve on their faith positively!!!..if they marry christians,who'll marry our muslims brothers...[size=14pt]remember,a worst muslim is much better than a best kufr..[/size]

greetings: I don't believe he is sweet talking, or seeking discord among muslims.
I believe he is simply stating his opinion based on his experience.

Meanwhile, i do believe that some muslimahs do it on purpose, to avoid some religious obligations or whatever their reasons are. I knew one that usually says she has to marry a non muslim o, cause she cant fast. So you can imagine how something so trivial can instigate this. These happens because of lack of understanding or in some cases lack of acceptance of the religion to begin with.

Thank you, sister!


He probably shares some distrust towards non-muslims.

usermane: I thought agnostism is the border line between theism and atheism. This is my view, supported by Oxford Advanced Learner 's Dictionary(6th Edition).
An atheist is convince that there is no god but an agnostic is still yet to reach conclusion on the existence of God.

Both atheists and agnostics do not believe in God. They both do not have any positive feeling towards God

Empiree: oh pls. And can you tell me something about mysterious relationship between you and the big man, usermane?.

No relationship. Nothing there. Yo just cant accept that there are liberal muslims.

usba: 100 years? . . . have tried writing an apology letter to the moderator?

apologise to a tyrannical megalomaniac?

usermane: Understandable, i don't believe that any true religion of God will condone misorgyny or slavery. The problem could be in the interpretation. Although you are right, the three Abrahamic religion so far sanctioned slavery. But then one cannot conclude this is the reality especially if you see that religion came to us after several modifications by earlier generations.

Also, the absence of evidence isnt the evidence for absence. As you said, you haven't found adequate proof for God 's existence but i suppose that should lead you to agnostism and not really atheism. Right?

An agnostic is also an atheist

usermane: To solve any problem, the factors contributing to it must be listed. That was simply what i did in the other thread.

It is time agent provocateurs are ignored. That way, they 'll eventually get tired of their childish games. Hacking my posts is a proof of inability to contend with my arguement or criticism.

Some muslims truly live in fear. I made a simple comment about my experience with my muslim girlfriend and Empiree started accusing me of wanting to sow discord amongst muslim. I just pity the guy.....so he is that afraid of my comments or intentions...


"The guilty run when no one chaseth"

Empiree: Stop sweet-talking things. You are only seeking discord among muslims

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As rightly said by me

MacCantStopMe: Dont mind him. He is a typical conservative muslim that feels uncomfortable when his religion is questioned. Dark sarcasm, insults towards non-muslims, threats of banning and banning are his only methods of dealing with criticism.


Thank God we have better muslims than this....

snubish: this is actually front page material.

For those asking if Islam is the only right path. The answer is 'no'. It is there in the article. Must the op open your head to explain to you. Is it fair that someone who has sincerely done good and sacrificed all their life suffer in hell in the hereafter. One of Allah's names is 'The Just', His judgment will be just.

So then, being a muslim is not necessary! Thanks


Salaam

Thank you, usermane, for your insight. I will share my personal experience


I hope I am allowed to share my experience in this topic.



I am a non-muslim who was almost engaged to a muslim lady. There are many reasons why a muslim lady will go outside her religion to find a non-muslim partner



1) A perception of freedom
Some muslim men are a bit patriarchal and controllling because of their religion. My muslim partner is a fashion designer and she was discouraged by her fellow muslims (especially the males). With fashion, you have to be a bit edgy and also there are a lot of gays in her profession. She was good at it. I supported her even though I have zero interest in the runway.
My muslim girlfriend is a devout muslim. She prayed and fasted but people felt that she was not a "real muslim" because she worked with gays and scantily dressed women at times. She is not gay and she has never worn short sleeved dress or scanty dress since I have known her


2) Western/Secular influence
My muslim girlfriend is a women's right and human rights advocate. She believed in freedom of religion and association. She lived and worked in London with hindus, buddhists, sikhs and christians- why could she not be with any of them? Some have been her best friends since childhood. She also never believed that a muslim woman must wear hijab or burkha. She always wore long sleeved dresses. She dressed conservatively but never wore the hijab/burkha.



It is not that all muslim men are controlling. There are many good muslim men. It is just that when a woman unfortunately grows with some muslim men who try to suppress them, they look for love without suppression elsewhere

Also, some women are naturally inquisitive. I have had a muslima consistently question me about my atheism.




So, in summary, it is only a minority of muslim women that date outside their religion and so, please do not take it as if I am saying that muslim men generally need to be better. I am just talking about some small issue


Salaam

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There is only person here that is behaving unruly.

-insulting atheists
-derailing the thread by posting irrelevant things


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Back to the topic, I hope the muslim councillor gets to a safe place. It is shameful that her opposition cold not peacefully debate their grievances with her

BossTtdiamonds: Why deviate from the concept of the thread...
No one resort to insult you..yet you're talkin' your anger out on everyone... *your sarcasm states tis*..

My question to you is why are you intolerant when posed with questions that concerns your religion..

Dont mind him. He is a typical conservative muslim that feels uncomfortable when his religion is questioned. Dark sarcasm, insults towards non-muslims, threats of banning and banning are his only methods of dealing with criticism.


Thank God we have better muslims than this....

Empiree: can you at least sincerely learn Islam, open your chest, listen, and humble your soul instead of trolling and seeking attention. Fair enough?

lol.....you of all people? Do you even know islam?

Empiree: "Iraq had zero Alqaeda influence or presence prior to the 2003 invasion. The status of Christians was good, they weren’t a persecuted minority, whereas today the situation is a catastrophe. The pastors, Christian writers and officials who supported and prayed for that war are implicated in the destruction of Iraq and the creation of ISIS."

My guy, please be a little more objective in your statements


You are right in stating that America are implicated in the rise of terrorism in Iraq. However how bad Saddam was, Iraq was never a terrorist state until America invaded and destroyed whatever structure they had there.


You are wrong to claim that christians were not a persecuted minority in Iraq (pre-American invasion). That is a very very very big lie.


Also, ISIS can be blamed on two things

1) American foreign policy
2) Extremist islam


Dont forget number 2)

Emonkey1: @bold; yeah me too

Better think twice about the statements you agree with

MacCantStopMe: Yet again, Tbaba copies and pastes from another dubious muslim speaker.

1) Please, note the bold part of his essay where he says "I feel sorry that women in this culture are denied the opportunity to be assessed at least as men are, not by their upper thighs." Can you see how this muslim speaker stereotypes the whole western culture as a culture that assesses women by their upper thighs? Is that how Nancy Pelosi, Michelle Obama Oprah Winfrey etc made it to the top?

tbaba1234: I am sorry to have to bring myself to the level of commenting on something so grotesque and vulgar. I apologize in advance to my readers for failing to fight the the urge to do so, but 20 million views in 48 hours and trending on all social networks compels a comment not just about this rubbish but about the greater cultural context that glamorizes and rewards it.

I feel sorry that women in this culture are denied the opportunity to be assessed at least as men are, not by their upper thighs.

The refrain of the music video is "ladies, go to work." Shaking their booties that is. Not go to work as doctors or engineers or teachers or mechanics or CEO's, no as booty shakers. Clearly not for their own satisfaction or for the satisfaction of other women, but plainly for the sarisfaction of men - the wrong kind of men. If that is not self-objectification, I don't know what is.

The biggest joke on women is when men no longer have to directly objectify women but instead, applaud women "liberating" themselves (wink, wink) by objectifying themselves all on their own, just ask Mario Lopez "who's not complaining." There's a bit of an outcry by feminists when Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams do it to women? No problem, get women -Jenny and Iggy - to do it to themselves. Same difference but now it's "liberation." Nice work maledom, bet you're laughing all the way to the bank.

Meanwhile, let's enjoy the refrain of Western society led by its "feminists" lamenting the poor woman in a hijab for wearing a little too much.

- Ahmed Rehab

Yet again, Tbaba copies and pastes from another dubious muslim speaker.



1) Please, note the bold part of his essay where he says "I feel sorry that women in this culture are denied the opportunity to be assessed at least as men are, not by their upper thighs." Can you see how this muslim speaker stereotypes the whole western culture as a culture that assesses women by their upper thighs? Is that how Nancy Pelosi, Michelle Obama Oprah Winfrey etc made it to the top?


2) Also note how the muslim speaker talks as if western people in America do not criticise the music videos. Note that he mentions the Iggy Azelea ft Jennifer Lopez music video. Unfortunately for this muslim speaker, his ignorance has exposed him. Just a simple google search shows that many of the music fans (of Jennifer Lopez and Iggy) in America criticised the same video for its lack of sense and "overse.xualization".
http://www.gigwise.com/news/94419/fans-react-angrily-at-j-lo-and-iggy-azaleas-booty-video



3) And as usual, the muslim speaker focuses on one of the Abrahamic religion's usual targets- western feminism. I dont know who told him that feminism is all about the booty. maybe he should learn American history and see how feminism got women into places of position in top companies and politics. The muslim speaker should stop reading Arabic history and learn American history before he criticises the culture.


4) While the muslim speaker has every right to talk about this issue (objectification of women in western culture), I feel that he also has the duty to speak about it in an unbiased way. If an honest person were to talk about this issue, the person would balance the discussion by pointing to the numerous examples of music videos done by women and men in America which glorified women and not objectified them. The honest person would also seek not to talk about the issue as if it is widely accepted by the whole majority of the culture or majority of feminists.


5) While the muslim speaker has every right to talk about the issue, I would prefer him to talk about the more important issue of oppression of women in islamic countries rather than criticising a music video in a country he fails woefully to understand. The very western culture he criticises has produced greater and more educated women than his islamic one from islamic countries that he is biased towards.

AbdH: Taaa, that you are an unrelenting troll is not an abuse but a fact.

It is funny how some people learnt the word "troll" on nairaland.

You are free to view my last 30 comments (on any of my usernames) on the islam and check for insults, abuse or misstatement of facts.

Then compare the last 5 comments about me from you and your ilk.

ayinba1: It was a similtude, I meant no abuse. Pardon me if it came across that way.

It was an analogy- a very insulting one.

Take your fake apology away. If I didnt comment and point out that it was abusive, you wouldnt know? mtchew

Rilwayne001: I don't even know what to call you again
You seriously obsessed with us here
18monikerz tan...Smh

You and your fellow logic haters cant quite seem to understand the problem here.


Your hatred for me and the truth about your religion does not allow you guys to see what is in front of you

AbdH: Mr Logicboy - Chief troll of Nairaland.

AbdH: That guy is a case.

Empiree: Again? The man is sick in the head

ayinba1: Let us hope that someday his similitude would be that of one who spends a long time in the company of the perfume seller and begins to smell good. Because, if this guy never smells good, it means unfortunately that the stink is from deep inside. May Allah have mercy on him and give him this unique gift of true guidance.

The one thing I respect Tbaba12345 for is that he doesnt engage in personal abuse like this. I'm surprised that the chief muslim troll, vedaxcool hasnt joined you guys...



In the words of Vedaxcool, "haters, I am winning"