That popular saying that a government is a reflection of the people that puts it in place always holds true....going by most of the response here not sure why we all wonder why Nigeria won't progress...too many on here this is a OBJ vs GEJ issue....OBJ was corrupt therefore it's okay for GEJ to be corrupt also....people are not focusing on the issues....are the issues raise in Obj's letter true? And did Gej's response actually address those issues?

I think that should be the focus of our discussion not who landed a blow better

For Me, I think Obsanjo was a disaster as leader but GEJ is even worst....unless we want to lie to ourselves corruption is the no 1 issue in Nigeria...and as disastrous as OBJ's regime was no sane person can tell me GEJ has done better in the fight against corruption

tpia@:


fees are added before you pay out the loan, this is in lieu of interest. I stand corrected if wrong.

i guess your decision would be do you charge dangote the fees but waive them for the widow.

right, but I was made to understand that from an islamic perspective both are the same...if it's tagged a loan then you can't charge interest.

I just think we should all understand the context...am sure there is a reason why the quoran does not what muslims to charge interest and I want to believe it's not just because the borrower might commit suicide if they can't pay the loan back.

abusumaya:
The Quran is clear about it.it did not say u can charge interest to the rich and do nt charge the poor.let me shed light on this a bit.
in non interest financing,when you go into an equity financing of dangote biz where u have a profit and loss sharing ratio, which is ethical..which means ur money and labour are involved in the biz, unlike charging interest which means whether the borrower makes profit or loss, he still pays the principal plus interest which is unethical..it causes such borrower depression and may lead to suicide.

Thanks for enlightment!

abusumaya:
u can enter into a profit and loss sharing deal with dangote or better still do not charge interest on the amount you are lending.however,for the widow,it is better if you gave her and not lend her,talk less of charging interest...the bible also forbids interest.

So again understand this not try to question ur faith or compare just want to know....so does the Quran highlight why I should not charge interest in a the dangote senerio? Because when I go through my bible it talk about not taking interest from the poor...but actually encourage charging interest in a business scenario.

Maybe to other faith this could be wrong...but am a believe of a saying in the bible that my people perish for lack of knowledge so I always want to know why I should or should not do something?

I am a Christian...so I just need some enlightenment here...when we say the Quran instructed us to stay away from usury, is there a context to this? And here is what I mean by this....if a widow comes to me for loan to feed her family vs dangote comes to me for a loan to build another cement factory....should I consider them both the same and just give the money without charging interest?

So let me get this, NLNG a company formed in 1989 with about 400 employees in Lagos a city of 15million people is moving it's headquarters to PH and all of a sudden the economy of Lagos will be crippled, am I missing something?

If most people on Nairaland is what Nigeria has to offer, it will never develop, it's not a curse, it's a fact, everybody seems to just think out of their behind

@obowunmi

I have no issues with your question and I think it's a fair question to ask, my problem is this, take this thread for example

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-713435.0.html

I can assure you if that thread were to be comparing Pastors with some other group it will make the front page.

I don't comment much on this site but I noticed on a daily basis there is something on the frontpage that attacks Christianity, Is this just because Christians in Nigeria are that bad? Is it because other religions are better and holier? Is it just because topics about Christianity draws a lot participation or is just down right bias on the part of the moderators?

K2:

If you are interested, I also reside in the US and working on behalf of a genuine seller that has been lifting for at least 20yrs. There's proof of past performance, POP, ATS etc that could be verified with NNPC. The seller is also issuing 2% performance bond (CIF). I am currently working on 2 deals. One is closing this week. There's also a TTO where the seller would assume all security and reassignment fee upfront. If interested let me know.

K2, am also inthe US and have a genuine buyer, the deal am working on presently the POP has been the roadblock, so if your seller can provide all you've listed lets get together offline to see if we can work something out. My email is in my profile.

ok guys, am a little new to this and I belong to the school of thought that anything crude oil is 419 but that change a few months a ago when a trusted friend introduced to a geniue buyer thats represents a refinery in the US who I have been working with for a couple of months now but most sellers out of Nigeria are complete frauds. So my question for any experienced person here that have represented a seller before is this, What is an acceptable procedure for CIF, at what stage should an SPA be signed?

I have this seller that seems to be ok but am about to walk away from the deal because they keep pushing for SPA to be signed before we can move forward yet they have not provided anything remotely close to POP, my simple analogy is though oil seems to be a seller's market but if you are going to ask someone for $300m you should be able to provide some proof of what you want to sell.

Kabarka and MadamL,

I must comend you guys for the ton of info you have giving on this thread, didn't know we still have good people left in this great country of ours.

@Kabaka,
I stumble upon this thread while trying to research about the pure water biz, if still possible can you send me the info you have shared with people.
email is homes4all@gmail.com

Thanks

kokoye:

To all who are pissed or frustrated because this is on the front page, no vex

I created this thread out of all sincerity - I do not frequent the Religion section so I dont know what's been flogged to death or not.

All I know is that I saw something that most pastors do not talk about on the pulpit and I decided to bring it on. . .is there anything wrong with that??

I came here to ask a simple question . . is that not what forums like this are for??

I do not care what makes the front page, but it seems that real estate is worth more than a plot on Victoria Island.

By the way, I still have not had one person answer my question

. .or else I wouldve asked a moderator to close the thread since the templars and the classicals are always at war here.

You are right forums like this is the right place to ask your kinda question and also the front page thing no vex me was just a honest observation(just like your question), the meat of my post was tithe(if you are a christian) is a personal thing, everybody should decide on what works for them.

Somebody just posted he does not pay it and God still bless him why try to convince that person otherwise, and for those who pay and God also bless them why try to convince them to stop.

ogajim:

Dude, you call God's Creations "dumb"? Maybe it explains your brand of Christianity.

FYI: Hits or contributions on any topic determines what page it is on, no admin is making adjustments to put Christians at war with one another, you need to check your self first brother man and see if you are on the right track

Shalom!

Ogajim, no vex I don't mean to abuse anyone, I just think as christians we should be carefully at what is happening around us, also am not a techy, I don't know what makes front page is automated my guess is that someone decides what topics make front page if thats not the case then I stand corrected.

But if you frequent NL don't you think this issue of tithe needs to be put to rest and let people just do what works for them?

This title thing again!!!!!!!! First some controversy loving, non christian administrator thought this over flogged topic should be on the front page. Dumb Christians who can't see beyond their nose takes the bate and continue to bash each other.

Guys why don't you all think about this seriously, there is already many threads about this issue of tithes on NL so why do any admin think kokoye's new thread needs to be on the front page, simple all the non Christians love to see you guys make a fool of yourselves.

This whole tithe thing is very simple, if you give your tithe faithfully regardless of how or where you pay it to and it works for you or at least you believe it works for you then please continue to do it and for those who don't tithe and have not seen any side effects to it then continue not to.

I mean for how long will you guys continue this am right you are wrong thing, Faith is a personal thing but all I see here are people who thinks people who don't believe what I believe are fools!!!!   The tithemongers  wants everybody to believe if you don't pay the devourer will come into your finances, the tithephobia wants everybody to believe tithe payers are mugus

Guys y'all should give it a rest and let people do whatever works for them, shikena!!!!

javalove:

I agree to an extent with the bolded. . .why?

Most of the crisis in nothern nigeria are baseless cos they result to killing innocent lives and sometimes even muslims that are not notherners (yes it happens!!!!!!!!!!!!!). . .This is not Islam. . .this is just the mindset and the kinds of heart the people in that region have. . . .And our media houses are not doing us any good by reporting most of the crisis as "religious". . .

Take for eg, Jos crisis. The media projected it as religious whereas the actual cause of the crisis was faceoff between the Hausa Fulaini and the Berom people. You choose to address them as Hausa/Fulani when you please, you address them as Muslims Islamists/Jihadists/Fundamentalists when you please. . .

Why havent there been a crisis in Lagos or Ibadan or Ilorin that have resulted in loss of lives? These crisis erupt from the same region all the time. Doesn't that tell you something, ? And i have lived in the north before, and I have seen how easy it is to gather a group of jobless youths to cause mayhem. . .


Please Islam is peace. . .dont judge the faith by a few ignorants. . .who sometimes go to crisis for selfish gains. . .

#Javalove. . .unless otherwise stated. . .!

So do you think christainity should be judged by the actions of this lady?

Thanks for all the info u've provided, My questions are how do you source for the cassava stems to plant and the animal dung in this case for a 3.4 hectares, how do you market and any ideas on other things to use the cassava for besides garri production. I am looking forword to the seminar in October.
Do you av any suggestions on how to find manual labor to clear the land as i want to start planting right away.

monopolist:

Motherless, Widows, Poor,Needy, Sick , Small and Medium Enterprises are all invited.

I really don't know the criteria used by the admins to place topics on the front page, as wonderful as NL is, I see this trend of putting controversial topics(especially about religion and mostly something that pitch christians against one another) on the front page and maybe it's just me but I really don't see how a lot of these topics are beneficial.

Admins,  I think NL should be a site to promote unity not more divide than we already have in Nigeria while I understand you can't or should not control topics people post on here I think you should do your own bit by not helping to but focus on controversial topics like this one, what can people possible gain by trying to compare the Pope to GOs except to try and prove which is Godly and which is not.

It's just best to leave some topics in their respective sections. Seun and other admins you guys are doing a wonderful job with this site but please try as much as possible to review topics you put on the front page to make sure they align with what you want this site to represent

Tudór:

Sorry I never called you names and its quite unfortunate that you think so.

I called your comment stupiid and frankly I stand by it.

Akingbola was never CEO of AIICO,AP or CHEVRON. Also, AIICO, AP or CHEVRON where never bailed out using taxpayers money due to the corrupt and unethical practices of the CEO as regards running the business.

So, shouldnt any comparism and akingbola name dropping as regards AP, AIICO be rightly labelled ''stupiid''

Tudor! Tudor!! Tudor!!! - You just have to be right abi, you know what I will let you decide on what is stupid on not, since you are too intelligent to understand my comments.

Tudór:

No offense but your comment is totally stupiid and under no circumstance will it hold any reason. Akingbola was never CEO OF AIICO or whatever so there was no basis for your tactless remark.

Madam Tudor, I know you really like people to think you are smart and thats ok, but I think you should take a little bit of time to read through and understand the reason behind a comment before throwing around words like stupid. So let me explain the reason for my comments to you maybe this time you will get it.

I asked a question if there is anybody in this forum who has lost money (deposit of any type not money you invested in shares) in Intercontinental and have not been able to collect, somebody now responded that he invested money in 2006 that is worth way less than that today and I was pointing out that his investment thing was not just because of Akingbola stealing money but a market wide thing, AIICO, AP, Mobil, Chervon stocks are all down significantly so is this because Akingbola and Ibru stole money or maybe it's also because all these CEOs were making bad decisions too like you suggested?

And it's so funny how you simply can not make your point without calling people names and yet you are the Mrs Perfect thats is always quick to condemn others.

Tudór:

I repeat, ''demons'' where responsible for intercontinental's downfall. Jokersheer stupidity and lame strawman argument. Was Akingbola the CEO of AIICO? By all means go hold the CEO in AIICO who made bad business decisions responsible as the fellow here has done with intercontinental bank.

lord Tudor, Ms Smarty pants, maybe if you can see beyond your nose and think a little b4 you start responding you might be able to make sensible comments. Go back and read the reason for my comment.

Gidtruth:

Yup you're right, this is definitely a very silly question. I invested 165,000 naira in 2006 and that same amount is worth less than 20,000 naira today thanks to the financial wizardry of Erastus Akingbola. And he ended up with multiple mansions in VI/Ikoyi and the bank business in which he sweet-talked me to invest ran up huge debts and losses.

Go figure!

I invested 500k in companies like AIICO,  CILEASING and the money is now worth about 100K, I guess Akingbola stole that too and part of that 400K I lost must have been donated to RCCG abi?

debosky, You about the only reasonable person on this thread in my opnion, for people like dayokanu and Tudor this thread is not about Akingbola being a thief, there main focus is RCCG and in hence Adeboye. Tudor supports her points with quotes from a bible she does not believe in, she knows what God wants and what he doesn't want yet she says that same God does not exist. Dayokanu just have a personal thing agains RCCG

So I think it's just a complete waste of time trying to argure with these guys.

Can I ask a rather silly question here,

Do we have anybody on this forum who has money deposited at Intercontinetal and Oceanic and have not been able to get their money out?

I keep hearing this Akingbola and Ibru stole people's deposit, do we have anyone here who have not been able to get their money out of these banks?

You know it's so funny how Akingbola is the culprit but RCCG and Pastor Adeboye are the guilty parties here, and also funny how Dayokanu, Tudor and their cohorts seems so comfortable quoting hearsay as if they are facts(lying) and yet they are very quick to condenm others.

You know the bible in Matt 7:3 have a good answer to most of you guys

3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Ask this man

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/07/16/segun.gele.nigeria.headgear/index.html?hpt=C2

I thought you are the advocate of intelligent conversation? Why is it you have to resort to name calling or always have some words to discribe people before you can make your point.

You are preaching to the choir here, you don't need to start a church but if you really want do something about these con men you refer to, this forum is not the right place because I can tell you the gullible christians you are trying to preach to are not here on forum.

So if you really want to make a difference go to streets of lagos and other cities in nigeria.

Also before you label people don't you think you should have more facts to back up your claim? So because Oyedepo has a gulfstream and his congregation is living in porverty(according to you and your cohorts) that makes him a con artist right?

@Tudor

I never said I wanted to help anybody, you the holier than thou that the needy have contacted to save them from con men called pastors hence my advise for you to start your own movement to help them. Put your name out there rather than hide behind a stupid id called Tudor.

Since you are smarter than most of the gullible christians in Nigeria that is been conned by these pastors please be bold enough to do something thangible about it under your own real name where the real audience that actually needs the education will get it from, not in a forum made up of 80% of people who don't even live in Nigeria

@Tudor,

I have asked you twice now, what efforts have you made or making to educate Nigerians? What have you done to better the life of anybody around you?

Again it's easy for some of you to hide behind a simple user name in a forum and call people you don't even know all sorts of names.

If you are as smart as you are trying to show on this forum why not go form your own movement to educate people. The irony I see in this thread is that most of the people that tries to sound smart and actually the dumbest including crptic and the other guy trying to defend these men.

Again it's simple if you don't like what is going on in the church in Nigeria DO SOMETHING THANGIBLE ABOUT IT OR JUST SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Tudor and company, since you guys are this smart, what are you doing about educating the gullible christians in Nigeria? Look it's one thing to hide behind your computer and blow out air it's another to actually do something about it.

Tudor, I know you sound like someone who do not believe in God, so what have you done to actually educate other people whatever it is you believe in besides sitting behind one faceless user id on NL

I don't agree with a lot of things men of God that I know personally does and it boils down to if it's something I can't change I find another church to attend simple.

A lot of us on here are very quick to judge these people despite the fact that all we know about them is what we read or hear in the news, I was one of the people who thought Pastor Adeboye don't need a jet even if he can afford one which I later found out the said jet was not his and not even the church's

Look again this is simple, all the men of God mentioned in this article trive because people go to their churches, if you guys ranting on this thread believes they are all phoneys then start your own real ministry and preach the truth. simple as ABC

To all those who think Pastors in Nigeria are rogues and christianity is for the dumb, this is thing is very simple form your own type of religion/way of life or whatever you might want to call it to teach people what you believe and while at it you should be able to attend to the needy in Nigeria and you know what I can assure you you will get followers. Infact Tudor already has followers because of this tread.

We don't need to fight about this!!!!!

Why are some people so quick to run their mouth anytime there is a topic about men of God. I believe in freedom of speech but I also believe in freedom of association, freedom of believe and I don't expect people to condenm me because of my believe, If I believe paying my title makes God bless me and it works for me why should that be anybody's problem.

Tudor and her cohorts, I think ignorance is the keyword for you guys and I know people like you likes to take paracetamol for other peopl's headache. if you so much believe in the taking care of the needy why not just form your own church or a ministry for whatever it is you belive in so you can attend to the needy, i mean it's a free world.

You know it's so easy for some of you people that have not achieve anything in life to hide behind the internet to say things about people who have actually done something. Faith is a personal thing, if you believe Oyedepo is fake don't go to his church, simple.

if it's that simple and most of you are as smart as you want the gullible christians to believe then go form your own ministry to preach and do whatever you think is right and lets see how many followers you will get.

Pls send your email and i can email u all the details, mine is wiglace@gmail.com. Thanks