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Almost impossible to get FOX without make-up, the girl is VAIN. But here she is. JK, resign yourself to destiny. You're still hankering after her.

UMA THURMAN (Still pretty)

nicollette sheridan (desperate housewives)

Maddonna

KIM CATRALL (S.EX and the CITY)

katie couric

kate hudson

juliette lewis

@Vesc
Noetic's okay. He can't separate the argument from the person, attacks both, gets a little carried away and turns rude and infantile. We can be hostile to whoever or whatever challenges deep or cherished beliefs. I used to get FURIOUS at people who talked what I perceived to be heresy. I hated them and wanted to shut other people's ears before they were corrupted by false doctrine.That was a while back. This is a discussion board and everyone conducted themselves with good manners. What's his excuse?

@myjoe
I have answered that question exhaustively and 'longly'. You say I gave just one 'credible' method lol, how many methods do you want and what might these methods be?

@JS
You refer to Matthew 7:13-14 
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

There are alternative gates through which people enter somewhere, one narrow and leads to life, one broad and leading to destruction. What do you think the narrow gate and the broad gate is? Just curious about what you think, given the entirety of His sermon there. What's the narrow gate that leads to life, and the broad gate that leads to destruction, and where exadtly are people 'entering' from those gates? Or perhaps the roads themselves are the destination? What did you mean when you quoted this verse, and what's spiritual right and wrong? I'm truly curious, not looking for an argument of any sort.

LOL. I'll look for those ladies without makeup. These are the ones I've found so far.

JESSICA SIMPSON
oops must reaaly be off now. Post others later jere.

Jessica Alba.

GISELLE BUNDCHEN. Looking like a nice-looking gal next door instead of the unearthly thing that graces runways, billboards and magazine covers

drew barrymore

CHRISTINA RICCI, Hollywood's Gothiest Goth gal.

KATHERINE HEIGL from Grey's Anatomy

CHER. If some of these look like mug shots, it's because they're criminals.

CALISTA FLOCKHART of the blowfish mouth from Brothers and Sisters.

charlize theron

ALICIA SILVERSTONE, who looks like a 'goddess' when they're done with her natural face.

barbara streisand

Ne-ee-xt is ANNA KOURNIKOVA

Next is America Ferrera, star of UGLY BETTY

You know you're certifiable. No way you don't.

I have a little while to post before I go out, so I thought I'd post PICTURES OF STARS WITH LITTLE OR NO MAKE UP. Yup. No glamour photography, no flattering lighting, no teams of makep and hair specialist. Just their faces, nekkid!

First is Maria Shriver, wife of Arnold Schwartzenegger.

Thesis lol.

JeSoul:
This is too kumbaya-ish. There are spiritual wrongs and rights Max. If not then Jesus would've said everyone would go to heaven. But He says "only few will find the right road".

I'm talking about the usual biblical/ doctrinal/ theological differences here, not 'spiritual right and wrong'. I'm sorry, I have no idea what that means. As for how I find my way on issues of the bible, doctrine,etc, that's something someone has asked in Myjoe's thread, and which I took the trouble to answer in two very long posts. It was relevant to the discussion on that thread. Here, not so much. If I have to answer that here, then so does everyone else. But then, I have answered that. Merely on another thread.

Is there really a point between a 'max' and a' Jesoul'? There's just whatever each person finds. There are no 'wrongs' or 'rights' there.

@ Krayola, I'm not labelling a person evil because I disgree with him. I disagree with people sometimes. From what someone did to what to have for dinner. How on earth does that make them evil? There are people I disagree theologically with. They're not evil, they're not right or wrong. I defined what I consider 'evil' itself to be. Whatever is opposed to what God clearly expresses that He wants. Another person may define evil as whatever God enjoys and approves. You started a thread asking what a person's opinion of Paul is. I gave mine. Anyone is welcome to state a case for him and clear him of these things. That would simply be great!

Anyone can issue an alternative opinion. Right or wrong, true or false, Paul's just one man in the long stream of men that have come before and after him. He's not God, except to those who mistake him for God and have wrapped their faith around him. He's simply unimportant. I'd state my case for or againt any man this thread had happened to be about: Mandela, Churchhill, Son of Sam, Ghandi, Charles Manson, George Russell, Ted Bundy, OJ, Einstein, Mohammed, Newton, Peter or Planck. Must be off.

Hey there, Myjoe.

Go and learn some manners, noetic. You're the only person here who truly needs to.

karo93:
@madmax_you have totaly finished paul(only God knows where you guys met)so i want you to list those things which paul taught wrongly for whilst i am not interested in defending your accusations against him,i believe that he neither taught in contrast to jesus nor was at war with the discipples.at worst his understanding of the gospel was different.

I've written enough about Paul. There's such a thing as finding out things for oneself.  But here's the thing. Paul has nothing to do with your salvation, so theological differences matter little. You can know him to be false and be Christ's. You can believe him to be true and still be Christ's. In some ways it does matter, but not where salvation is concerned.

Understand that we have free will. WE HAVE FREE WILL. God does not see the future, because there is no future, only possibilities. The choice of which school to go, the choice of which job to take, the choice of whom you marry; we constantly make choices, leaving one thing for another, and different futures result from the different choices we make. What God sees are ALL the choices there are, and every possible outcome there can be. I guess, that's seeing the future too.

Every single creature in heaven with God is there by choice. Every thing God made has a will that it expresses in its choices. Our will can thwart the wishes of God, and grieve Him, because our choice and the outcome of that choice was not what He intended. Notice how many times Christ says, Not my will but Your will be done? God will not stop any creature from expressing its will.     

God made a glorious, beautiful, powerful angelic being called 'Lucifer', which has something to do with  light, not darkness. He wasn't the only being of this kind God made, but like all God's creations he was fiercely loved and expected to be a certain way. But this creature chose, because it could, to express its own will in unlovely ways that are oppposed to who and what God is. It became something else: the devil.  Realise that the devil may not be evil in his own eyes. He may see himself as 'good' and what he does as 'right' according to his own ideas of right and wrong. It is only in relation to GOD's ideas of right and wrong that he is evil. That's the nature of evil, and that is how every evil creature is. That's how evil human beings are. They are opposed to what God stands for, but they will not see themselves as evil. What they do will be perfectly reasonable and just in their own eyes. Ask Hitler. Ask Stalin. Ask Papa Doc and Mao. They will go to their graves convinced of their greatness and their vision, the goodness and rightness of their actions, and despair that those lesser than they did not understand them.

There are people that God 'calls', though He calls us all. But let's use the accepted meaning and say, called for a particular purpose. Their origins  may be humble and rooted in God. And then something happens. The lure of power, vanity, pride, of self-worship and having a following, comes calling, and they become something else, something that God did not intend. And these people will not, of course, realise that they have changed. These are the very things that made the devil what it is, and they are the things that make evil people what they become, whatever their origins.  These are the things that the devil reportedly offered to Christ, like he offers it to us all. Christ said No. 

Some people think Paul infilterated the church to destroy it. It's a compelling argument, but it might not be so. Though his conversion story changes, depending on who he's talking to, which is the mark of a liar who can't keep his story straight, the possibility exists that he might have been called. It is possible that the lure of power and pride came calling, and unlike Christ, he yielded. 

There is a spirit in Stephen, in Mary Madgalene, in Lazarus and his sisters, in Joseph of Arimathea, in Peter, James, John and the apostles of Christ. It is the spirit of Christ. He stamps you. You will not be perfect, but you will undeniably be his. This spirit is not in Paul. A different spirit resides in him that is not in the apostles. His work, his teaching, his very person is not of God. Perhaps it did not begin that way. But that is how it turned out. His
is a spirit of untruth, of a  lack of real love, of chaos and discord, of pride, endless boasting, appropriating undue power and self-worship. This is not the spirit of Christ. But these are qualities a certain opposer of Christ is quite infamous for.

Anything that springs from such a foundation can only produce deception and evil: bad fruit. However long such a thing exists in human time, it is false and rests on thorns and will not last. This present system of things SHALL pass away. It really, really will.

It's not a war-zone. JS is lovely.

No disrespect but your father deserves a beating himself at 60+, so he knows what it feels like. Poor old woman. If at 60+ she still doesn't have any peace and her children can't get it for her, I don't know what her children are good for then. I knew a family in the exact same situation. They took their mom away. He didn't lay an eye on her for two or was it three years. I can't remember. Anytime he's coming where she is, she goes somewhere else. It got to a point they had to plead with their mother to agree to see their dad again. They didn't anticipate how far she would take it. But she was the one who was beaten for decades, not them. When they finally got back together the man was treating her like something precious. Take your mother away from him. She's old and has served her children and him all her life and he treats her like dirt. She deserves better than this. She's not his donkey. She's a human being and deserves peace of mind. Go and DO something about it.

Ah, but some Christians do worship Paul, though they name Christ. There are others who worship Mary, though they pay Christ lip service as well. As for indoctrination, I was indoctrinated. Almost every Christian, Moslem and other religious persons of my acquaintance came out of a background of religious indoctrination. That's the Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition. To imply that most of the religious aren't indoctrinated in their beliefs is just laughable. The world itself, the daily news, tells you different. It is simply what it is. Calling me Scientist A or B or Z does not change that. I did not invent the fact of indoctrination.

I may be wrong, but I don't think you get what AIO is saying.

Faith does not require blind belief or belief without proof. Only a certain kind of faith requires that. And there are all sorts of proof, some of which can't be taken to a laboratory.  But salvation isn't dependent on all that. Christ knows what He did, and He did it flawlessly. He saves us all.

JeSoul:
Few years ago, in my junior year of college, I needed to take a distribution class in the arts to fulfill ancillary requirements for my major. I was running my finger through the list on the bulletin board, and to my suprise, the college was offering a unique class that semester titled "New Testament". I've never been one to adopt an "intellectual" approach to matters of faith but this would definitely be better than another boring philosophy class I thought.

So halfway through the semester, a strong argument is raging in class about Paul being a mysoginist, impostor, preaching a different gospel etc etc I'm more of a listener so I'm just sitting back enjoying the show. And the professor (who to my suprise was not a christian at all, but a serious bible history enthusiast, borderline obsessed I would say) with his dingy glasses and khaki pants, quiets the class, then remarks in voice that I have never forgotten, and with a tone that was dangerously close to tears, and with a reverence that seemed to come from deep within his soul, he said "if Paul were alive today, I think he would be devasted with grief, overcome with pain and shock and simply die of disappointment at how his letters have been misunderstood". With that, he dismissed the class.

PROOF. PROOF. PROOF.
If evidence is furnished to the contrary, I'll be happy to change my mind. I will truly rejoice, and so will millions of Christians, because all this is horrifying. Your professor may present Paul alive to come and cry over how he's been misunderstood. Christ is not misunderstood. The apostles are not misunderstood. Oh but Paul is misunderstood. How convenient for Paul.

Faith is based on no man, but on Christ and Christ alone. Let every man be false. Christ will remain true. Paul is not the foundation of my faith. He is not the Son of God. The chastisement of my sins was not upon him. He's just a man. He is not God, he's not Christ. He's a man. Anyone may place him where he does not belong and worship him. It's a very, very free world.

Pastor AIO:
. . . But what he really should have said was  "if Paul were alive today, I think he would be devasted with grief, overcome with pain and shock and simply die of disappointment at how his letters have been understood differently from the way I understand them".

Yeah.

vescucci:
On the flip side, some people have such an overly developed sense and taste for the dramatic that almost anything that holds a contrary view to 'accepted' truth must be true almost solely on that premise alone. It is so outrageous it must be true. Most conspiracy theorists are like this. It is my opinion that give a clever guy a starting point and an end, he'll weave plots so profound, so believable, so under-your-nose-like that you'll believe it in a second. Until the next clever guy comes along and have you believe in something else.

I think Mr. Dan Brown knows this or he's like this himself. 

Lunatic.

Paul's status as a liar and a fake is based on proof, though.I could show you the guy's a LIAR and a sower of discord WITHOUT going outside the Bible. The surface hasn't even been scratched. We could let his own words and actions alone condemn him, and not refer to a single thing OUTSIDE the Bible. But not today. Perhaps he wanted to destroy the church from within, but he was also seduced by by the thought of having a movement of his own followers, and worked tirelessly on his own behalf. When it suited him he would declare he was a Pharisee and not a Christian. When the danger is past, he would suddenly remember he is an 'apostle'. Check out your main guy in Acts 23 1-7

1Paul looked straight at the Sanhedrin and said, "My brothers, I have fulfilled my duty to God in all good conscience to this day." 2At this the high priest Ananias ordered those standing near Paul to strike him on the mouth. 3Then Paul said to him, "God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck!"

4Those who were standing near Paul said, "You dare to insult God's high priest?"

5Paul replied, "Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written: 'Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.'[a]"

6Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, "My brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee. I stand on trial because of my hope in the resurrection of the dead." 7When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided.

See that? He's an 'apostle' elsewhere, a Pharisee in Rome. Busy telling lies and sowing discord. And that's not even the beginning. As for his 'conversion' story, it keeps changing depending on who's listening. And he names no witnesses ever. Christ says by the word of two or three witnesses is a thing established. The 'Lord' is always appearing to him when none of the real apostles are there or when he's alone. Christ showed himself to his apostles when He rose, and promised them the Holy Spirit and power. They had these, and waited for His return. There is no evidence that they ever saw Him again. Oh but Paul sees 'The Lord' regularly. A light is either falling from heaven or He is appearing only to him when no one else is there.He is the FALSE APOSTLE, the wolf Christ warned his true apostles about. Modern Jews know he's a fake and laugh Christians to scorn.

Don't imagine people didn't know down the ages. They did. But if they talked, they were hustled to the stake by The Inquisition and burned to death for 'heresy', according to the doctrine Paul and his disciples lay down for 'sinners' in 1 Corinthians 5:4-5.

When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, hand this man over to Satan, so that the flesh may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

WHERE OH WHERE DID CHRIST OR ANY OF THE APOSTLES TEACH THAT? To kill sinners and 'heretics' by destroying their flesh (burning them) so they can be 'saved'?

To die by fire is a terrible thing. You know when the Roman Church finally dismantled the stake and the rack and The Inquisition? THE 19TH CENTURY! Do you have any idea how many people were burned at the stake over hundreds of years? Millions! People lived in terror for centuries and kept their mouth shut. Modern Jews simply don't take Christians seriously. No reason why they should.