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Bought 161/usd @ main market onitsha.

@STEO!

What a good write up!

Actually i am a proponent of exchange of ideas, but my POV here is that"MUST WE COPY OYIBOMAN FOR EVERY LITTLE THING, EVEN THINGS WE CAN DO ON OUR OWN IN OUR OWN WAY TO SUIT OUR CONDITION?

Moulding blocks/pillars is not rocket science. Why don't we first start dis exchange of ideas by suggesting ways to improve on this beautiful talent and idea as exhibited here and make it more efficient.

Yes in Tokyo workers don't use head pan during casting now but there was a time they used a similar method. How do they came up to the present level? Mind you Japan has a very unique building construction style due to being prone to earthquakes.

Two weeks ago i read online about buses being imported from China by the Fed. govt when we have INNOSON MOTOR NNEWI, how can we grow like dis? My 10 kobo here is that while we import modern & major building ideas,we also use whatever happens to be avaliable and do the lesser aspect of building construction.

Adieu Mr Spyder, glad to know you are now covering the whole eastern regions. More grease to your elbows.

Finally the chicken has come home to---------

Amen to dat 'OSHEE OH'

Dis block importer again" OSHEE O"

Spyder thanx a million 4 hammering tne nail squarely on the head.

So all this grammer una dey blow here is merely to convince us to start importing blocks abi?
NA WAO!

4sho, i was surprised when i saw that amount.

LOL! MADAM L, guys dey occupy nigeria u dey occupy naira.
Well! country no good na agbero gain. Wish u more sells though.

The doors

Dear Badboy!

This material is well known in naija mainly for furnitures, but it could be used on ceiling, doors, walls, office partitions, even on floors,
but the flooing ones are thicker and produced by a different technigue and therefore more expensive.

If not the ugly situation in Naija right now the best bet is for u to visit the market at ladipo Mushin and see the stuff physically.
Tell them what u want to use it for, i believe they are in a better position to give a better info about this product.

But my only fear here is that they may not have the wall paper designs. What sells there mostly is wood grain(FORMICA)
mostly used in furnitures, steel, plastic profiles and office partitions. Though who knows u might like them.

I attached a file of china steel security doors. You can see how beautiful they look, but in reality these are not the natural color of steel.
They are covered with pvc laminate film/foil by transter heating or laminate.

It comes in rolls like wall paper the only difference is that this one is made of pvc with better surface fininsh and highly more durable
than wall paper. It comes in different surface finishes like glossy, matte, semi-matte, opague, glossy means it's very shinny but
needs high maimtnance. I advice u to go for matte.

@BADBOY!

Yeah it can be used on wall as wall paper, also for furitures-wardrope, cupboard, ceiling, but not by membrane press.
Membrane press is vacuum press that's a kind of mould that must have the exact shape of the object to be laminated.
There's a special kind of vacuum membrane press machine.

But for walls, ceilings and furnitres it's done by hot stamping or transfer heat. It comes in rolls like wall papers and laid in
the same way as wall paper, but u need a hot pressing iron to stamp it down properly where the ideal machine is not avaliable.

In Nigeria it's mostly used for furnitures popularly known as FORMICA. If you are very keen on using it on ur walls, i'll advice u to
first visit a professional furniure maker because the same way they lay the formica sheets on wardropes, tables, beds, cupboards
is the way it will be done on walls and ceailings.

For the materials, you can get it at Ladipo street mushin. Very cheap. I normally supply to them, the last time i did i sold at 180 naira per yard.

It's more beautiful and durable than wall paper and it comes in millions of colors and designs. You can get the colors posted by LARIMO,
but on special order because here they are mostly used for furnitures mainly, wood grain designs are mostly preferred.

I don't know if u have been on cruiser ship. Though the ship is made of steel the inside are mostly decorated with pvc decorative sheet, even
cars mostly dashboards and hand rest. Big hotels.

I wanted to post some pics but the shots i took of my catalogue did not turn out well.

Pvc decorative foil/film/sheet-membrane pressing can achive a similar effect if not better and it doesn't need polishing unless it's high glossy.

In the attached picture this are not natural marble or granite but MDF board covered with pvc decorative film by membrane press process.

There are millions of designs and colors to chose from, inshort anything u can think of.

@POSTER!

Are u sure that this is painting or pvc decorative foil/film/sheet?

changed 166 naira per $ @ main market onitsha yesterday-23-12-2011

changed 164 naira @ main market onitsha.

Bar, cinema, Book cafe

@AM ALONE!

You might not understand the calculation there simply because u r a buyer and u just bought the few sqm needed
for ur house. The difference which's almost 50% seems too little to u but when u add it up to one full container it's
something else. And to make something reasonable(profit) it's advicable to bring in at least 5 containers at a time,
beacuse tiles though sells fast yet the profit margin is very little. FIGURE IT OUT URSELF.

The quoted prices are FOB based that's excluding freight, custom clearing, offlloading, unions charge per container and
warehousing. Most importers don't have warehouse of their own and the least freight u can get from Spain to Lagos is 1800-2200Euro
depending on the shipping company and time of the year.

You bought 80 x 80cm @3300 naira per sqm because u can afford it and this is ur private house, but how many of us can
afford this amount. Or how do u expect a mgbuka trader at Obosi old motor spare parts to buy tiles at this amount
for his commercial building when  the china type of the same size is selling below 2000 naira.

Ok! Spanish frist grade 60 x 60cm-vitrified is USD9.8 while stock lot is USD5.50, and a container load takes 980 square meters.
That means a difference of USD4214., this seems too little to u. Add this up to 5 containers,

@AM ALONE!

The spanish tiles in Nigeria are second grade, inshort we call it "STOCK LOTS". First grade spanish tiles are damn too expensive.
This is one big secret no spanish tile importer can tell u. So what we have  here in the market here are not the original spanish tiles.

If u can see Malay or Taiwan tiles they are much better than those spanish second grade.

China tiles are good too if u can lay ur hands on first grade chinese tiles, that's those ones they use on their buildings.
The chinese tiles in Nigeria are called African quality, and in this African quality we have Nigeria quality which is the lowest
grade of tiles u can get anywhere in the world.

Open the attachefd file to see the prices i was quoted by my supplier in Spain early this year. That was the last time i bought spanish
tiles because they are hard sell. So i buy them once in a while.

The so called stock lots are more or less condemned tiles that's why the differences in dimensions are quite huge. In Original
non rectified spanish tiles, the differences in sizes are quite minimal.

@CASEYMONEY!

You got it all correct, nothing to add.

@KIKEIGE
Porcelain tile is the best for flooring especially in areas with high rate of human traffics,
the reasons as stated by caseymoney above.

However, all porcelain tiles are not the same due to the differences in method of production-
some are more rugged than others. Depending on how deep ur pockets are, i would recommend
u go for polished porcelain floor tile(40 x 40cm/30 x 60cm)-SOLUBLE SALT OR polished porcelain
floor tile-DOUBLE LOADING.

Soluble salt and double loading  techniques are second to recitification process.

@SPRUMBABA!

I am loving this thread. E bi like say i don drag u out of ur shell.

Well this are high quality polished porcelain soluble salt tiles. They are pretty expensive.
What we do is that we bring in those tiles that are affordable to middle class naijas.

This tiles are meant for govt projects or big commercial projects like the one u r managing.
They are the same material-porcelain like the ones at Abule Ado or Agric, what makes the whole
difference is that this ones under rigorous processing technique and super surface finish.

Then about the engineered wood floors, i get some little runs presently at hand. I am trying to bring in
PVC LAMINATED FLOOR which is the latest version of wood floors. I't's made of pvc instead of wood and it
has the engineered series, dry back and self adhsive-laminated and deep embossed(HAND SCRAPE).

Am already talking with two companies at Abuja and i've forwarded the samples to them. So it's an open biz
since u r in the same line.

@SPRUMBABA!

We are on the same page, the only difference is that you are managing a commercial property
while i am in business-tile importation is my major imports. By virtue of my business, i have visited
many tile manufacturers in Malaysia, Taiwan and China. What u wrote here is more or less what u
got from ur tiling handy book. But i watched them do the stuff right b4 my korokoro eyes.

Porcelain tiles are far more better than ceramic tiles. Though price is not determinat of quality, but in
Naija tile market it is. Go to Abule Ado or Agric Orile and ask the prices of 40 x 40cm vitrifeid unglazed
and polished floor tiles respectively. No need to ask them about the material used 'cos they may not know,
to them gbogbo ero is ceramic tiles. You will see the huge difference in their prices, the truth here is that the
two tiles are both porcelain but their method of processing and surface finish differs. They may not know this, but
the manufacturers knows and offers them prices accordingly and as they bought so they sell.

@EGIN
Sorry i reponded to ur first comment. I want to tell u once again that spacers are not all dat needed in tiling
traditional ceramic tiles. Using spacers is like making the job more cumberson. The idea of creating grout lines is to
hide away the fault created by uneven edges of the tile. See the rectified tile samples posted by SPRUMBABA.

It's this problem that gave birth to rectifing tiles, but the problem here is that the rectification process is damn expensive.
In Lagos right now original rectified tiles is not less than(at least) 5000 naira per square meter. Grout line tiling systern
could have been a thing of the past if not 4 dis high cost.

About AM ALONE  tiler, do not forget that camera angles played some tricks there.

@AM ALONE!

You claim to be alone but you are not really alone, at least OLUWA IS CHAMPION.
Frankly speaking, you are one of the guys i admire greatly in this site, abeg make u
no fall my hand at this point in time.

The whole truth is this is ur game, the player maybe changed but the game remains the same.
Ur recent post suggests to me that u r trying hard to prove to certain people that ur tiler did not
do a pretty bad job. Why? This house belongs to u, if u like the work ur tiler did for u who says
otherwise. In the begining u were accussed of wasting money by buying high quality materials but
today everyone in this site loves that house. Bet me the same will happen again.


The confusion we are having here is about spacing. But what most of us here fails to understand is
that in tiling spacing is optional. Infact the new trend in tiling now is what ur tiler did for u that's laying
standard tiles like rectified tiles. Look at those pics u posted recently and see how tiny the grout lines are.

About grout color, white cement is ok because white goes with any tile color. Even some people use white
grout on white tiles. It'a all about choices.

Look by the time ur tiler fills up those tiny grout lines, the true beauty will appear and i know vividly that
words will change. Good Luck.

@SPRUMBABA

I think you have a point here as regards recitifed and non-rectified tile.
Rectified tile also known as DIMENSIONALLY STABLE TILE is a term used
to describe tile that is consistent in it's dimensions. In other words it has
all edges machined or finished to exact dimensions. The grout lines are like
credit card thin because of the exact edges.

But where i don't agree with u is where u said in Naija tile na tile. This is
one big fat lie, go to Orile or Abule Ado and see the differences in prices.
The sellers may not know the chemical combinations or techinal aspects of
the tiles, but dem sabi say khaki nobi leather.In Naija everyone wants something
very cheap.

@CASEYMONEY! You falied to pinpoint what's exactly wrong with the tiling
to substantiate ur claim. And @ EGIN! standard ceramic tiles(NON-RECTIFIED)
don't need spacers.

I would say the tiler did try though he needs to improvise, then again it's not
that easy to achieve those thin grout lines with standard ceramic tiles. Compare
this work to that of Brabus which turned this property section into court of law-
the difference is very clear.

I think it's better we wait for the final picture when the grout lines are totally covered.

Bought some dollars yesterday @ Onitsha main market @161.50 per US$.

After watching this video, the first thing that hit my mind is "WAHALA DEY O!

@AHONOHAI! abeg tekam jeje with the guy, 4sure that project na big time Bleep up.
I mean you have every right to be angry, but then remember that nobody is above mistake.

One sweet thing i like about Brabus is that he accepted responsibilty for his mistakes, pls i do
pray u to give him a little more time to clean up this shit.

I must also thank u for earmarking ur precious time to do this video. It not only cleared the gray
areas in this renovation work, but also a big eye opener to those singing birds, praise singers in
this site. It strikes me funny to note how feeble minded some of us could be by raining praises on
someone u just met online simply because he/she posted some pictures and threads about building
construction.

I made out time and watched this video twice. Then i discovered a sharp contrast on the pictures
brabus posted here of the project and those in the video. Judging by brabus threads on this property
section, that work is too low for ZERO for a professional like him. I mean we should apperciate this guys
taking their precious time to share their wealth of experiences with us, but though with a pinch of salt.

There's a thin line b/w knowing the processes of building a house and building a house practically. I know
nothing about building a house, but i can give u the full details from A-Z. Then ask me to lay a block or fix
one piece of tile on the floor, old boi i no fit.

"NOW I KNOW A PICTURE CAN TELL A THOUSAND LIES"

@RASTAMAN20!

Why posting the same comment three times? That looks barbaric. Allow others some space.
Abeg make them no slap ban on Spyder880.

We are yet to get over that of Brabus.

@brabus

This thread is very educative, thanx a lot!

Pls would you mind to post the pictures of the laminate floor.

Is it floating floor or dry back/self adhesive?

@TODAN!

I visited ur webpage, i am quite impressed. My question is this, are those items ur real products or u just went online photo shopping?

@MIKE/AM ALONE!

I think what u guys are talking about is adjustable door frames. What we have mostly in Naija is fixed door frames.

The adjustable frames can be used on both 6" & 9" wall thickness.

@BELOD4ME!

I don't mean to beef, but it's quite obvious you don't understand the subject you're prating about. That's to say you are not into real business(IMPORTATION), maybe u bought goods worth of say USD500-USD2000 online and think urself a big time importer.

The poster is talking of full time importation that's a full container load of goods. Tell me how can he do that thru the process you just mentioned without going thru his banker for the necessary documentations like "FORM M".

Can u be able to bring in a full container load of say auto parts at a go via this process, and even if u do at what cost? Maybe u r using alibaba express or something like that, it never occur to u that u are paying double.

I refer u back to "MASAM" comment, he's the real importer here.