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chalantmike:
from where am standing, i think only God has the right to answer that question, as human i can not proceed to know.

Jesus say, as your heavenly father love you, you have to love ONE AND OTHER. Loving your gay neighbours does not mean you love sin here what Paul say;
1 Corinthians 9:20
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win
the Jews. To those under the law I
became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to
win those under the law.

To win the a sinner does not mean to act like them but to show them that God love them and the door is wide open for them.

chalantmike:
did you see the word REMOTELY PERTINACIOUS, in the context there or you skipped it. Or did you miss the part where i said that same woman came back to worship at the feet of jesus.

Did you miss the part was indifferent to sin of adultery, this is the problem with the 21st century Christians, WE GIVE UNDESERVED ATTENTION TO IN RELEVANT ISSUES. love you gay neighbour, there is no such thing as love your gay neighbour, there is just LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF #SIMPLE#

MY POINT BEING THAT IF AN HOMOSEXUAL WAS AN NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR TO CHRIST, IT WOULDN'T HAVE MADE ANY DIFFERENCE TO HIM. as you see with the case of the adulterous woman, no special coronation was given nor attribute." go and sin no more" was a generalized line, not specifically tailored for the adulterous woman, it could be applied to anyone as sin is the factor he addressed not adultery.
"he who had no sin should cast the first stone".

With regards to an homosexual what other are you asking for?, than the love of respect and indifference, as Christ showed in the above.
You want stick around and offer them sexual related advice, or condom, you want to advise on how to control their urges or play cool with lifestyle your clueless about. All that would just warranty to patting them on back and encouraging them. In other words the only sin you've not committed is getting in bed with them.

Remember homosexuality is a state, it is not the character that is a sin, but the person him/her self, thats why the old testament called for the death penalty, bible refers to those type of sins as a sin that defiles the BODY, not character. Sin like lying and stealing are character sins not defilement sin, character sins can be easily corrected, abstinence over time is enough to correct such sin.

Point being if you are going to love the person the way YOU ARE IMPLING, YOU JUST HAVE TO LOVE THE SIN TOO.

did God hate sinner?or if God love sinner, does it mean he love sin?

chalantmike:
did you see the word REMOTELY PERTINACIOUS, in the context there or you skipped it. Or did you miss the part where i said that same woman came back to worship at the feet of jesus.

Did you miss the part was indifferent to sin of adultery, this is the problem with the 21st century Christians, WE GIVE UNDESERVED ATTENTION TO IN RELEVANT ISSUES. love you gay neighbour, there is no such thing as love your gay neighbour, there is just LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF #SIMPLE#

MY POINT BEING THAT IF AN HOMOSEXUAL WAS AN NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR TO CHRIST, IT WOULDN'T HAVE MADE ANY DIFFERENCE TO HIM. as you see with the case of the adulterous woman, no special coronation was given nor attribute." go and sin no more" was a generalized line, not specifically tailored for the adulterous woman, it could be applied to anyone as sin is the factor he addressed not adultery.
"he who had no sin should cast the first stone".

With regards to an homosexual what other are you asking for?, than the love of respect and indifference, as Christ showed in the above.
You want stick around and offer them sexual related advice, or condom, you want to advise on how to control their urges or play cool with lifestyle your clueless about. All that would just warranty to patting them on back and encouraging them. In other words the only sin you've not committed is getting in bed with them.

Remember homosexuality is a state, it is not the character that is a sin, but the person him/her self, thats why the old testament called for the death penalty, bible refers to those type of sins as a sin that defiles the BODY, not character. Sin like lying and stealing are character sins not defilement sin, character sins can be easily corrected, abstinence over time is enough to correct such sin.

Point being if you are going to love the person the way YOU ARE IMPLING, YOU JUST HAVE TO LOVE THE SIN TOO.

did God hate sinner?

plaetton:
Gosh!
Are you guys terminally deaf?
This is why I refer to you guys as half-thinkers. It's like you brain can only process half of the issues presented to you, while conveniently ignoring the rest.

I have repeated many many times here that the issue is not whether it's a sin or not. Afterall, there are 66 or more sinful prohibitions in your bible.
My question, which I have repeated many times, and for which you have all failed to answer is :
Why is homosexuality more sinful, much more hated by Christians than other common sins that YOU commit every single day.

This is where we find the hypocrisy of religious faith.

Pls pls address this.

you don't need to add insult when adressing post.the question you ask is the same thing the op is indicating,let me remind you of what you say earlier;

" For example, if someone "finds out" that he is gay, then it's obvious that he did not CHOOSE to be gay automatically
implies that he was BORN gay."

So my question still remain,is homosexual a sin "(atheists view)

chalantmike:
every christain should take a page from Christ, "GO AND SIN NO MORE", there was no judgement, no promise or hope of redemption, no follow up remedies as the 21st century christain. HE JUST SAID "GO AND SIN NO MORE". REMEMBER that same women came back to worship at his feet, christ wasnt remotely pertinacious. I think thats the best offence or defence a Christian could take.
Go and sin no more was an advice not a command.

how will you tell someone,Go and sin no more? Read where Jesus say this word( go and sin no more) what make the sinner come to Jesus in the first place? Jesus seat with sinner and tax collectors ate with them. I have a scripture for you;

James 2:15-17;
15 Suppose a brother or a sister is
without clothes and daily food. 16 If one
of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep
warm and well fed,” BUT DOES NOTHING ABOUT THEIR PHYSICAL NEEDS , what good is
it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it
is not accompanied by ACTION, is dead.

You cannot tell a sinner, go and sin no more when you don't love them.

plaetton:
This is funny, and again showcases the HALF-THINKING that is an integral part of religious faith.

For example, if someone "finds out" that he is gay, then it's obvious that he did not CHOOSE to be gay. It automatically implies that he was BORN gay.

And in Christian common sense, it you are born male or female, God created you so.
If you are born, white or black skinned, god created you so.
If you are born left or right handed, God created you so.
If you are born tall or short, god created you so.

Shouldn't the same rule of belief apply if you are born gay or straight?

This idea that gos hates being gay is eerily similar to saying that god hates being black, a convenient excuse for hating and subjecting the black race to thousands of years of slavery and inequities.

Its funny that anytime some one defends the rights and dignity of gays here, these half-thinkers revert to calling one gay or gay sympathizer.

Pity.
People of Africa descent should be the last people on earth to discriminate, hate or disparage anyone or any group for simply being who they were born(created) to be.
Homophobia and racism are one and the same.

as an atheist, is homosexual a sin? it may not be a sin to you because you are an atheist, but as a christian, it a sin.God created man and the first law he gave to man is ,be fruitful and MULTIPLY, if homosexual is not bad, there may be a possibility that you( pleatton)will not exist.so you see, God set a law that will benefit mankind and in this era of Grace and love, we as a christians should treat everybody with love .

chalantmike:
You cant love the sinner and hate the sin or character, the two are not mutually exclusive. The Christian view and response to homosexuality is both one of fear and concern, lest the sins of there neighbor rubs off on them. Have yhu forgotten what happened when the children of Israel blend or move about with foreigners and there false worship, after awhile the children of became copy cat, joining there neighbors in there sin.

Leviticus 15:31

“You must
keep the Israelites separate from things
that make them unclean, so they will not
die in their uncleanness for defiling my
dwelling place, which is among
them ”



2 Corinthians 6:14-18

Do not be yoked together with
unbelievers. For what do
righteousness and wickedness
have in common? Or what
fellowship can light have with
darkness? What harmony is there
between Christ and Belial? What
does a believer have in common
with an unbeliever? What
agreement is there between the
temple of God and idols? For we
are the temple of the living God.
As God has said: "I will live with
them and walk among them, and I
will be their God, and they will be
my people." "Therefore come out
from them and be separate, says
the Lord. Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you ." "I will be
a Father to you, and you will be
my sons and daughters, says the
Lord Almighty"


The trick to the question of homosexuality and Christianity, is one of indifference not sympathy , or been affiliate, its not a question of tolerating , supporting or tolerance, it a question of been indifferent to the sin of homosexuality.
Every gay knows that the moment an individual is afflicted with the homosexual theme, a part of that individual can relate to that sin of homosexuality, that's why Christians are hostile towards the sin of homosexuality, its more a less a defence or preservative mechanism to show that NO PART IF THEM IS AFFILIATED OR CAN RELATE THE SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY "of cause thats a wrong approach"

Study the reaction and response of Christ to the adulterous woman

John 8:10-11
Then Jesus stood up again and said
to the woman, “Where are your accusers?
Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
“No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin
no more.”

What part of christ response showed sympathy or that he condoned her sins?, was there any particular emotional response either positive or negative in Jesus's reaction.
I PUT IT TO YOU THAT IF THE RESPONSE OF CHRIST OR HIS REACTION WAS EITHER POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE, THE TEACHERS IF THE LAW AND THE PHARISEES WOULD HAVE USED IT AGAINST, CAUSE THE SIN IF ADULTERY IS VERY TOUCHY SUBJECT TO THE JEWS ACCORDING TO THE LAWS OF MOSES, PLUS THE PENALITY EQUIVALENT TO THE SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY.

THE NIGGA WAS EVEN DRAWING ON THE SAND TO SHOW HOW INDIFFERENT AND ABSENT MINDED HE WAS TO HER SIN.

before I open this thread, I read of a brother who only find out 'he was Gay' he wept and feel so sad and then he ask a question,how can I UN-GAY myself? Gay are rejected in every community.going by your post, how can a christian help the Gay?

Pr0ton:
Jesus Is Not God:

‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’(Matthew 26:39)

Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’(Luke 18:19)

‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’(Luke 6:12)

Jesus Is God:

Matthew 1:23- “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

John 14:9-11- Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”

Jesus speak as a man here.anytime Jesus debate the teacher of the law,that were he always make claimed attributed to God alone.

But when Jesus speak with people that ask him sincere question and not a test, He speak to them as a man. There was a reason for All this, I will not tell you, go and study the bible.

Pr0ton:
If God possessed Jesus, i.e, He was in Jesus, who was God (in Jesus) calling His Father in heaven when He (God in Jesus) was on the cross?

1. Jesus has two natures -- He is God
and man.
2. Each nature is full and complete
He is fully God and fully man.
3. Each nature remains distinct.
4. Christ is only one Person.
There was a never a time when He became God, for God is eternal. But Jesus has not always been man.

Rilwayne001:
Just wondering the dude that wrote this book. Christians alleged that it was john. but in the verse 6,7/8 of this particular chapter it reads: There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John..... He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light

Could john have written the bolded as well?

silly, this verse was talking about john the baptist, he did not write any book.

thorpido:
Listen to yourself.Modern scholars indeed.Modern scholars are the ones in the best position to tell things their forefathers were not there to witness and again Stephen Harris you quoted was one of the disciples right?He was the one with the original message and a witness to Jesus' ministry right?

don't mind the guy, he believe in what the modern scholar say but does not believe in what the forfather's say. Nice reply.

theAtheist101:
First, did the Bible telling you anything about Spacetime? So why are you using it?

So what do you call this dimension of yours? You can just make a statement without backing it up with prove. Without this we both be writing fallacies.

So you mean there are no heaven and Hell, since there is no centre for universe?

Prove other fallacies you have written!

It is a fact that the universe exist, so where is your "thing" that contains heaven and earth.

Lastly, I don't care about the Bible sayings, so stop quoting from it.

yes the heaven we are talking about do not exist (at lest not now) ,God will create again on the 8 days. In fact 2 Peter 3:7 say;
7 But by His word the present heavens
and earth are being reserved for fire,
kept for the day of judgment and
destruction of ungodly men.

And God will create again;
Isaiah 65:17
"For behold, I CREATE NEW HEAVEN
and a new earth; And the former
things shall not be remembered or
come to mind.

The bible say God exist outside time;

This grace was given us in Christ Jesus
before the beginning of time (2 Timothy
1:9)

DProDG:
It is hard to tell if you're seeking sincere answers or not when you say things like this


Nonetheless...

From your OP you've made the assumption that good(rather than evil) is an entity and 'evil' can be described as the absence of that entity(good). Now, can you define 'good' and similar to John's questions, can you give an example of something that is objectively 'good'(including actions) and further explain why it meets your definition?

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: ( Romans 2:14)

if you do not believe that God is a
moral agent and you believe that there is subjective morality than you would not proclaim God as the moral law giver. Yes, the moral argument only works if you accept objective morality.

johnydon22:
Since we started arguing here am sure i have maintained evil is not a thing but a concept, every atheist here have maintained that analogy. but you keep saying the reverse that evil is not a concept. now it is clear.
I asked you if evil is a thing or not. . . i think you should learn to muster up a constructive argument when ever you want to argue cus copying and pasting people's work will only keep making people view you to be dumb.

Atleast its official; We all see now that evil is not a thing but a name ascribed to unfavourable actions or events to human survival. . . it was a concept after all.. I advice again go study before engaging atheists.

ok.good. I understand you now,evil is a concept (objective morality) good.

tartar9:
the Holy Qur'an is not a storybook,this is the Verbatim word of Allah(SWT).It summarily explains,even in some events it vividly explains what happened such as Moses conversation with pharoah the point of it all is the lesson to be learnt.you can get further narrations from the hadiths.

and the quran which is supposed to be the word of God did not details the life of Moses, read the story of ishmael Isaac and ,comperd it with the bible and see for your self.

Pr0ton:
[size=20]Jesus Is God - The Bible both proves and disproves this notion, contradiction.

See why we have many denominations? Beliefs have to contradict because their anchor (the Bible) does to itself.[/size]

the bible say God is a spirit, can a spirit walk in the realm of human without flesh? It was God himself that possessed the body of Jesus, both the quran and bible say Jesus is the spirit of God. When Jesus speak as a man, He did not want to comperd the nature of God and man, God possessed his body but God did not take control of his WILL as demon do.

Luke 22:42
"Father, if you are willing, take this cup
from me; yet not my will, but yours be
done."

johnydon22:
Chai this is the problem with copy and paste.... you cant defend it when it starts. . . You cant give even one example of evil that is a thing.

now let me enlarge the contradiction... the same dude said evil is a thing.. malvisguy stop copying things from confused fellows.. lmao i don die

here are your words



Dude you dont even know which one it is... you are confused abeg..One said "evil is a thing" the other said "evil is not a thing" all from the same dude... am done with this

what are you saying here? Are you well at all?

Augustine highlight 3 argument in view of the atheists.
1. God created all things.
2. Evil is a thing.
3. Therefore, God created evil.
Then he began to make his points saying the first premises is true but the second is not true because evil is not a thing and you called this contradiction? Seriously? Do you know the meaning of contradiction at all? Someone want to make his points and he highlighted 3 argument to begin with, he started counter it with his explanation. You called it contradiction? Pleased and pleased don't quote me with your bias attitude, am not comfortably with it. Thank you.

Misogynist2014:
Evil is not evil when it is used to counter evil.

are you a christian?this is not how bible teaches about evil.
1Peter 3:9
Do not repay evil with evil or insult with
insult. On the contrary, repay evil with
blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.

frank317:
Why is the word concept had for u to understand? What do u mean by "does it come from his concept"? This question just shows you don't even understand what has been explained to u.

No wonder quickly believe a a spirit got a virgin pregnant.

If an Illiterate boy is expert in evil how does the act fail to be a concept? Isn't it his undesirable action that is labeled evil? What has being literate got to do with acting out in an unfairly manner to people.

Guy, its a concept because evil can't be seen, its just a name given to an extremely unfair situation on us either by nature or others around us.

you all are being manipulated by satan. Thank you for your time.

johnydon22:
hahahahaha now i got what i want... so evil is a thing and [b]not a name humans ascribe to ACTIONS and events that is not favourable to the general human well being or survival... Good..


Now give me one example of evil that is a thing... (please don't point at actions or event i want you to tell me the thing)

your trick is very childish and you failed woefully. Augustine do not stop there, continue reading my friends;

"How could a good God create evil? If
those first two premises are true, He did,
and this is a God problem. So God must
not be good after all. But then Augustine
realized that the second premise is not
true. While evil is real, it's not a "thing."
Evil doesn't exist on its own. It only exists
as a lack or a deficiency in a good thing.
Evil is like rust in a car: If you take all of
the rust out of a car, you have a better
car; if you take the car out of the rust,
you have nothing. g. In other words, evil
only makes sense against the backdrop
of good."

They say you can forced a cow to the river but you can't forced the cow to drink water, in this case, I did.

johnydon22:
scroll up and see where DProDG provided the link to most of your post here, even your op is also a copy and paste which he also provided a link to..

Now please answer my question, Is evil a thing? (yes or no)... chai

you are a liar a father of it, am I not the first that provide the link DProDG provide? I even paste it to pleatton on one thread. Pleased don't quote me if you are bias. Respect!!!

johnydon22:
I need just. a simple Yes or No from you... why are you dodging.. (are you scared)

you claimed you read the thread dint you come across this;

To explain why, we need to go back to
Augustine who puzzled over the following
argument:
1. God created all things.
2. Evil is a thing.
3. Therefore, God created evil.

Then what kind of trick you want to play?

johnydon22:
for crying out loud present your own arguments not copy other people's work. . .
Natural disasters are all natural and any learned man know their causes... Told you before atheist do not blame an imaginary deity for anything, they only use that language when a theist start thanking a god for a good fortune then atheist present the bad ones and ask y the deity left that part.

even though I do not copy and paste, but you keep on saying this in all your post. I got most of this idea from C Lewis (a former atheists) on stealing from God.but you keep on accusing me of copy and paste. Keep it up.

johnydon22:
Lmao i freaking read the Op, i was even the one that refuted it line after line...simple question.. Is evil a thing? yes or no. (you keep dodging questions)

then why are you asking? The answer is in the op .

johnydon22:
Malvisguy Human morality is as a result of empathy and compassion.... too bad you theists yours is as a result of fear of hell and hope for reward, thats why i have been asking you ur standard for recognizing morality but you cant even answer that.... next time you want to debate stop the copy and paste and bring on your own words...

see, I have even forget hell exist until I joined nairaland where Hell is one of the most discus issue here.read the post I quoted to pleatton, I did not ignore you, I waited to here the view of many atheists on" evil is a concept", Alas they agreed with you, you guys a very wrong.
1 Corinthians 1:27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of
the world to confound the wise; and God
hath chosen the weak things of the world
to confound the things which are mighty;

johnydon22:
Simple question question, is evil a thing (material thing)? yes or No?

now I believe, you did not read the op before commenting, I will Not answer you until you read the op. Good morning.

DProDG:
As Johny has said previously, if you want to be taken seriously, present your argument in a concise manner rather than blocks of texts.

Once again, at least give credit to the orignal writers, in this case Rich Deem
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/evil.html

I produced rich deem homepage link on many occasion, but the atheists don't click the link, I paste one of rich deem teaching to pleatton on why natural disaster must happened, but he called me a lazy man. Thank you for posting it, maby this time they will tak it serious. Rich deem is a genius, he is a tormentors of atheists.

DProDG:
Simply look-up utilitarianism.

http://www.utilitarianism.com/utilitarianism.html
Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart
Mill that an action is right if it
tends to promote happiness and
wrong if it tends to produce the
reverse of happiness—NOT just
the happiness of the performer
of the action but also that of
EVERYONE AFFECTED BY IT.

I still maintain,evil is beyond human brain and not a concept,I have seen a little boy that is illiterate but when it come to evil, he is an expert, does it come from his concept?

wordcat:
You were giving the following to read; Jeremiah 42:10, Amos 3:6, and Isaiah 45:7, why are u going contrary to what your bible said or are you saying that you know Yahweh more than the bible writers??

And someone also said that u need to prove the existence of your god first before attributing anything to him.

I paste the thread for your answer but it look like you did not read it, let me paste the written here;

One of the most common reasons
skeptics reject the existence of God is
due to the presence of evil in this
universe. They reason that a perfect God
would not create a universe in which evil
exists. Skeptics claim that since God
created everything that God must have
also created evil. They even cite Bible
verses, such as:
'' I form the light, and create darkness: I
make peace,
and create evil: I the LORD do all these
things.
( Isaiah 45:7, KJV)''
'' Shall a trumpet be blown in the city,
and the people
not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city,
and the
LORD hath not done it? ( Amos 3:6, KJV)''
'' Out of the mouth of the most High
proceedeth not
evil and good? ( Lamentations 3:38)''
However, evil is not really a created
thing. You can't
see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is
not one of
the fundamental forces of physics, nor
does it consist of matter, energy, or the
spatial dimensions of the universe. Still,
skeptics like to claim that God created
evil and cite the Bible to "prove" their
point. The Bible is quite clear that God is
not the author of evil and insists that He
is incapable of. doing so.
Skeptics love the KJV so much, one would
think that
they were still back in medieval England.
Use of this
translation is problematic these days,
since it uses an archaic version of
modern English, which doesn't
necessarily mean the same things today
as when it
was translated over 400 years ago. In
addition, the
KJV was produced using a limited
number of
medieval manuscripts that did not
represent the
earliest Alexandrian set of manuscripts.
WHAT DO THE MODERN TRANSLATION
SAY?
1.Isaiah 45:7.
The One forming light and creating
darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the
LORD who does all these. ( Isaiah 45:7,
NASB)
I form the light and create darkness, I
bring
prosperity and create disaster; I, the
LORD, do all
these things. ( Isaiah 45:7, NIV)
Isaiah 45:7 contrasts opposites. Darkness
is the
opposite of light. However, evil is not the
opposite of peace. The Hebrew word
translated "peace" is
shampoo, which has many meanings,
mostly related
to the well being of individuals. Râ‛âh,
the Hebrew
word translated "evil" in the KJV often
refers to
adversity or calamity. There are two
forms of the
word. Strong's H7451a most often refers
to moral
evil, whereas Strong's H7451b (the form
used here)
most often refers to calamity or distress.
Obviously,
"calamity" is a better antonym of "peace"
than "evil."
2.Amos3:6.
If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the
people
tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has
not the
LORD done it? ( Amos 3:6, NASB)
When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not
the people
tremble? When disaster comes to a city,
has not the
LORD caused it? ( Amos 3:6, NIV)
Likewise, Amos 3:6 uses the same word,
râ‛âh,
referring to calamity or disaster. the
context (a
disaster happening to a city) does not
refer to moral
evil.
3. Lamentations 3:38
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High
that both
calamities and good things come?
( Lamentations
3:38, NIV)
Is it not from the mouth of the Most High
That both
good and ill go forth? ( Lamentations
3:38, NASB)
The King James Version of Lamentations
3:38 seems
to suggest that God speaks both good
and evil.
However, if one reads the verse in
context, the
preceding verses indicate that God does
not do or
approve of evil. The verse following
indicates that
people should not complain in view of
their sins.
What the verse really is saying that God
decrees
times of good things and times of
judgment.
Lamentations was written by Jeremiah
during a time
of judgment, when Judah had gone off
into exile.
Jeremiah was chosen by God to be the
prophet to
tell Judah to reform or be judged. The
people did
not believe Jeremiah, and, therefore, fell
under
God's judgment. In Lamentations 3:38,
the word
translated "good" is ṭôb (Strong's H2896).
The word
usually refers to good things as opposed
to bad
things. Again, râ‛âh does not refer to
moral evil, but
calamities, in this verse. Likewise, the
Bible
commentaries indicate that the verse
refers to God's
judgment based upon people's sin
Conclusion;
God is not the author of evil. However,
God does
reward and punish on the basis of good
and bad
behavior. Therefore, God does bring
judgment and
calamity (either directly or through
human
authorities) on those who rebel. God will
ultimately
judge all people, since rebels will not be
allowed in
the new, perfect creation.

plaetton:
.

ok, All atheists agreed, evil is a concept,Without God, morality is just subjective, it would just one person's opinion versus another. There is no true "evil" under subjective morality because your concept of evil would be different than Hitler's concept of evil. How could you compare the two concepts? Objective morality indicate that particular actions or ideas are right and
wrong regardless of human opinion,meaning there is a moral code in which we can measure morality beyond the HUMAN BRAIN.

The great writer C.S. Lewis points out that the moral code is not always the
standard which we follow but it is the
standard that we want others to follow
when treating us.
http://www.truthaccordingtoscripture.com/documents/apologetics/mere-christianity/Book1/cs-lewis-mere-christianity-book1.php#.

When we mistreat others, we want
mercy. When someone mistreats us, we
want justice.and you guys called this a concept? Seriously? I don't know what to say anymore, let me repeat what I say to Johnny on the other thread

Eyes are of no use when the mind is
blind. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” He thought for a moment, then added: “And lit with electric lights"

plaetton:
Evil is usually the lower levels of a set of ideals.
The negation of highly placed ideals are usually revered to or conflated with evil.

Isn't funny that your sacred scriptures, your god commits and encourages the perpetuation of many evils.

So, god and evil are the externalization of primitive impulses.

my question is not about God but evil, I am on my way home from work, I will reply this post.

finofaya:
malvisguy212

The objection raised by problem of evil is not aimed at the existence of God generally, but at the existence of an all powerful, all good, all knowing God. You can't use the existence of evil to attack atheism, which is the denial of the existence of more than just the all everything God. As a proof, you've done a sub par job. Back to the drawing board!

agnostics? The opposite of Good is evil, and this thing cannot exist on his own, the points I am making is,"it's lead to a supernatural being" thank you.