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mustymatic:
Please can any Christian quote directly in d Bible where JESUS say that u worship him
If not Christians r nothing but gamblers that wil surely lose

Abuamam:
For interested Muslims who know that Islam exhorts us to use our minds; in fact know that man's esteem comes from knowledge, and that the Angels were ordered to bow down to Adam (as) due to his superior knowledge, you can see 2 brief responses below, to this often repeated allegation by followers of a religion whose mottos are: "just have faith" or "don't question the mysteries of the trinity" etc.

http://www.sistersbookroom.net/t1947-unnecessary-questioning-surah-al-ma-idah-5101-102

http://www.islamacevap.net/Resources/Morey/moreyallah.htm




Did you miss the rest of the hadith? XTIAN.
Or did you just copy-paste from another website and not realise that your xtian brothers did not quote the full hadith?
You guys have not even repented of the apocrypha you tried to foist on us as being part of the bible; you have started your falsehoods again. Smh! 'Holy' spirit taqiyyah.

MuttleyLaff:
I've just read the link too.
but I'll be honest, I didnt want to or wasnt going to read the link until malvisguy212 came back saying he's read it
Nothing personal, just that, I dont hastily click on web links I cant vouch for
Anyway, it was a torturous read, it literally was ripping my heart out.
I read all and found the entire content in the link, from beginning to end, dismaying and disconcerting


Believers dont practice religion


I agree Paul is a wise teacher but what is the point of the bolded statement


Reading the web link and this post above further accentuates my post to Scholar8200
about us are now living in a rapidly changing what-used-to-be an exclusive man's world
but thank you God, this man's world, wouldn't be nothing, it'll be nothing without a woman

elveco:
PLEASE BRETHREN FOLLOW THIS LINK AND PATIENTLY GO THROUGH THE ARTICLE, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE HELPFUL. THANKS:
http://www.ntrf.org/articles/article_detail.php?PRKey=16

Empiree:
You mean regarding surah10:94?
With refereces from Quran and hadith given by me and others in previous threads aren't enough for you?. Dont tell me you did not know we asnwered this time and again.

Empiree:
Well, you are known for making "robotic" comments. I am not going back to this It was explained several times to you isn't?. Even recently, I notice someone posted tafsir of this verse at your request. And now you asked the same question again. I found you very dreadful. Get over it.

truthman2012:
allahh knows by questioning, people's eyes will be opened to the truth. He is talking from experience. Some people left islam by asking reasonable questions.

Did you notice how muslims argue on this forum, even in the face of clear evidences? It is their islamic faith without questioning.

Sibe007:
2 Timothy 2:15 Rightly divide the Word of Truth.


1 cor 14:
33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people.
34 Women[f] should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. 35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.[g]
36 Or did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37 If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command. 38 But if anyone ignores this, they will themselves be ignored.[h]
39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

Looking at the above, you would see some contradictions. How will Paul say women should be silent in verse 34 and same time say in verse 39. my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

Paul could not have said about women prophesying in 1 Corinthians 11 and go on to say women should be silent in 1 Corinthians 14.

The truth is there is no contradiction. If you follow the story from the beginning, you would see that there was a central theme bothering around orderliness in worship and verse 34 and 35 seems out of place. The reason is because Paul was responding to letters they had written to him, hence verse 34 and 35 was a quote from their letters. They were pointing to their Law, how women were not allowed to speak. Paul questioned them asking if they were the only ones who had God's word or if the Word of God originated from them. In KJV verse 36

36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

This was an interaction between Paul and the Corinthians, he was responding to a letter they wrote earlier.

1 cor 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
So the book of 1 Corinthians was Paul's response to their letter to him, and he did quote from their letters directly in his writing to them, which was not properly reflected in the English translation.

The truth was that Paul was rebuking them. He took their quote in verse 34 and 35 and tore it apart. Reading the verses before and the verses after would give more insight.

The point is Paul never said that, the Corinthians said that, and Paul was responding to that.
Read the post again if you have.....

Stay blessed.

http://www.thekorro.net/2015/04/truth-did-paul-say-women-should-remain.html

EzioAuditore:
Now I refuted this rubbish, I am going to give you the same explanation I gave to the r*tarded truthman bloke, but yet the slowpoke is dancing around asking where Abd-ALLAH comes from, anyways, this too is left for you to comprehend. Read:



I wanted to just ignore you but it seems the matter keeps coming up and so I have decided to address this issue once and for all. People tend to forget that Abraham and Ishmael both preached monotheism to ARAbS and as such you may find some good deeds diluted in madness amongst the pagans. You wanted to know

Who Allah is? Mind you Allah means God in Arabic but let's just ignore that for now
You said the pagans prayed towards Makkah
You wanted to know about Safana and marwa
And finally you wanted to know about ihram.

I think this will answer all your questions that is if answers are what you're looking for:

We know that the word “Allah” was in use before the time of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). If we read Ar-Raheeq ul-Makhtum we realise that the early Arabs did believe in Allah as the Only God. This is dated all the way back to the time of Prophet Ishmael (p) who resided in Makkah (Mecca) and learned Arabic as well as settling there [1]. He preached the message of pure monotheism; “Most of the Arabs had complied with the call of Ishmael and professed the religion of his father Abraham. They worshipped Allah, professed His Oneness and followed His religion...” [2].

This shows that Allah was known as the Only God, just like the Muslims believe Him to be. Indeed Abraham and Ishmael (pbut) are considered to be Muslims, i.e. those who had submitted to the Will of the Only God, Allah.

How paganism was introduced after Ishmael and Abraham (pbut)

The issue of paganism came into the equation as the Arabs forgot this pure monotheism which was taught by Ishmael and his followers. The idolatry was originated from the actions of a man named Amr bin Luhai, he was known as a devoted and righteous man, well respected by his peers. However, after a trip away from Mecca he saw idol-worship in Syria.

Upon his return to the Meccans he introduced idol worship to the Meccans by bringing an idol named Hubal back from Syria and this resulted in the spread of a great many idols across Mecca.

They now (wrongly) believed Allah to be the high god of many gods

Despite the Meccan pagans’ acceptance of idols they still proclaimed belief in Allah in the sense that they saw Allah as the High God but used the idols as ‘lesser deities’ whom they believed “could intercede before Allah for the fulfilment of their wishes” [4].

Quite simply they had a pantheon of ‘gods’ but believed that Allah was the High God of their pantheon. [6]

The theory of Allah being considered as a High God is backed by Ar-Raheequl-Maktoum, Karen Armstrong [6] and W. M. Watt [7].

Effectively over the years they changed their belief in Allah, from the belief that Allah was the Only God (the Abrahamic teachings) to the belief that Allah was the High God of their many deities (pagan/polytheistic teachings).

There were 360 different idols, belonging to the pagans of Mecca, around the Ka’bah when Prophet Muhammed took charge of Mecca. These idols were subsequently broken, removed and burned under the authority of Prophet Muhammed [3].

Prophet Muhammad’s father - Abdullah

Another source that attests to the fact that the pre-Islamic Arabs used the name Allah and held a ‘belief’ in Him is the genealogy of Prophet Muhammed, his father’s name was actually Abdullah (meaning servant of Allah) [5]. Interestingly enough, some of these pagan Arabs believed that Allah was the same God that the Jews and Christians worshipped [6]

Prophet Muhammad reintroduces Abrahamic monotheism

In 610 CE, the Prophet Muhammad began to call the pagan Arabs back to the pure monotheism which was taught by Abraham and Ishmael centuries earlier. By 632 CE the Meccan Arabs had given up their idols and returned back to pure monotheism – believing in Allah as the only god.

So you can see where the name Abd-Allah came from, and you can see why practices like ihram, praying towards the Kaaba, fasting on Muharram, safa and marwa etc may have originated from. Just like there are christian and Jewish practices that are similar to that of muslims.

Jesus of Nazareth is being molded into another thing completely, this gave birth to Jesus Christ, a mythical God who is basically the same God as HORUS the one eyed sun god.

EzioAuditore:
But christianity is based completely on paganism. You worship a one eyed sun god. We worship Allah, the God of Abraham ishmael isaac. Moses and Jesus, the One true God, Master of the day of resurrection. He alone we worship and he alone we ask for help.

Empiree:
@ malvis, Kindly tell me you didnt type @underlined?. You still repeated this nonsense after it was trashed on rilwayne's thread....remember? "Question: Did Jesus read the Bible?". Question is who are those scholars?

truthman2012:
Don't mind him my brother. He is only looking for where to hide as all of them are speechless. This time there is no lie to tell to cover up.

Abuamam:
No authentic hadith. No evidence. Just the words of story tellers.

truthman2012:
This is very serious again o!
Muhammad is up to anything when it comes to sex. I wonder why muslims still defend him. What do we expect when allah generously empowered him for 30 women a day.
Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 5,
Number 268:
Narrated Qatada:
Anas bin Malik said, “The Prophet
used to visit all his wives in a
round, during the day and night
and they were eleven in number.”
I asked Anas, “Had the Prophet
the strength for it?” Anas replied,
“We used to say that the Prophet
was given the strength of thirty
(men).” And Sa’id said on the
authority of Qatada that Anas had
told him about nine wives only (not eleven)
Can you imagine allahh's greatest prophet having sex day and night? Even his followers marveled.

Abuamam:
No authentic hadith. No evidence. Just the words of story tellers.

Abuamam:
https://www.nairaland.com/2101868/quranic-evidence-abraham-ishmael-did

Was this your topic on NL or not?

Rilwayne001:
Lols. I think you need to take a chill pill.

Bring foward your prove from the Quran where Allah is refered to as a moon god or black stone god?

no straw please.

Again sire, do you read what wikipedia wrote about yahweh?

Rilwayne001:
What are you saying here



And where in the bible did yahweh ever say that jesus will come from David through Nathan?

NB: I have where it says he would come from David through Solomon.




What is wrong about it please? kindly point it out.



Perhaps luke made an error, or that the bible god lied that jesus would come from david through solomon. can't you see the lie?



You need some schooling bro.

bring it on.

Rilwayne001:
What about the black stone? does it represent Allah?
Is Allah a moon god or a rock god according to the rubbish you pasted?



Then what is it??



Troubled by what?



Lol, who get tired from what exactly? you meanfrom copying and pasting unsubstantiated nonsense?

Have you ever read what wikipedia wrote about YAHWEH??

Rilwayne001:
Thank God that you affirmed that he is not a direct descendant of Joseph. Please don't later change your comment above.

Are you aware that only solomon's descendants is expected to be the conduit through which jesus is to come?



Mary wasn't a descendant of Solomon.

Rilwayne001:
So Allah is no longer a moon god, but he is now a rock god According to the rubbish you copiedand pasted here?

Rilwayne001:
Which makes him not a direct descendant of Joseph, isn't it?

Rilwayne001:
When are you going to start Argueing with your brain?

Rilwayne001:
What do you mean by legal right?

EzioAuditore:
You claimed Allah was a pagan god, I asked for similarities, you had none.as to the second part of your question, that just proves you have no idea how the concept of heaven works. Now can you answer my question already? Stop trying to rope a dope as usual.

Rilwayne001:
Was jesus a descendant of David or not?

Please don't tell me nonsense here. Answer the question straight

Rilwayne001:
Can the same bbe said of jesus grandfathers?

EzioAuditore:
Give me one similarity between Allah and a pagan god.


Meanwhile,

Jesus compared to HORUS the Egyptian one eyed sun god

1.Both were conceived of a virgin.
2.Both were the "only begotten son" of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)
3.Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary.
4.Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph.
5.Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
6.Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
7.Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
8.Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
9.Both births were announced by angels (this si nto the same as number 7).
10.Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
11.Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men".
12.After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
13.To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
14.When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
15.Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
16.Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
17.Both were baptized at age 30.
18.Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
19.Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
20.Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
21.Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
22.Both have 12 disciples.
23.Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
24.Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."
25.Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
26.Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, "house of Anu".
27.Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
28.Both were crucified.
29.Both were crucified next to two thieves.
30.Both were buried in a tomb.
31.Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).
32.Both had their resurrection announced by women.
33.Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
34.Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one".
35.Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
36.Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
37.Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook.
38.Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread" and Jesus was born in Bethlehem ("the house of bread".
39."The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'"
40.Both were transfigured on the mount.
41.The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child."
Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate".
42.Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).


Yet you go to church on SUNday, most pictures of jesus comes with a SUN, that's because you're actually worshipping a ONE EYED SUN god!



Narrated Ibn Umar: "Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal (anti-Christ) saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 553)"

EzioAuditore:
Just answer my frighin question! Was it one of those?

EzioAuditore:
Just answer my first question dweeb.