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Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 10:26am On Mar 31, 2015
[quote Autor=Rilwayne001 post=32194513]Gehege grin grin

I fordere Yen wink
The quellen sound stupide Thomas, Gut okay These who think deeply will discern what I outlined and asked in the OP.



We are told in MARK that Jesus was going about preaching the good news. We are told he read the book of isaiah.

Indeed jesus couldn't have written about his death but what will do you have to say about moses writing about how he died and how he was buried in the book of deuteronomy?

The point is, Jesus preach good news and not the story of his life, MARK, Luke, paul, john and co are gospel of themselves and not the gospel jesus was preaching in MARK.

Furthermore, you guys are yet to tackle empire on his claim about mark, luke john and mattew.



grin grin[/quote]now it Not about Jesus , But" Moses". The Good News is The gospel Jesus bring,it is Not a book, Mohammed Got it all wrong, if Allah give Jesus a book (gospel) As claimed in The quran , provide it let US See.

Now after John was put in prison,
Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the
GOSPEL OF THE kINGDOM OF GOD , and
saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the
kingdom of God is at hand. Repent,
and believe in the gospel." (Mark
1:14-15)

This is clear God did Not command his son To writte a book,Jesus preach The kingdom of God and his disciples and eyewitness wrote it Down ,when bible translated "PREACH" it dosent mean Jesus read a book and preach it, Jesus only read from The book that prophecise about Him and claimed it To be fullfiled.
Christianity Etc › Re: Any Muslim that does not Believe in Jesus is not a Muslim! by malvisguy212: 10:59pm On Mar 30, 2015
suwailad:
why does it surprise you?
even the devil believe in Jesus.

You believe that there is one God. Good!
Even the demons believe that--and
Tremble. ( James 2:19)

The New Testament qualifies the definition of a believer as being one who has faith in Jesus Christ. Faith is more than merely having some knowledge about the facts surrounding the life and teaching of Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself said that those who truly believed in Him would "TAKE UP HIS CROSS" and follow Him. The Bible calls into question the "belief" of anyone who is not following Jesus as Lord.

Muslims don't believe God has a son or we are children of God, infacte a muslim who I debate with here says "calling yourself a child of God is a sin"

First, the Bible indicates that believers
are children of God:

The Spirit himself testifies with our
spirit that we are God's children.
( Romans 8:16)
You are all sons of God through faith in
Christ Jesus, ( Galatians 3:26)
Christianity Etc › Re: Athiest Claim: If God Existed, Prayer Would Have Brought World Peace? by malvisguy212(op): 10:05pm On Mar 30, 2015
malvisguy212:
Atheists claim that the absence of world peace indicates that God does not exist, since it would be obvious that He would grant world peace in request to sincere prayers in this regard. Superficially, it would seem that world peace would be a good thing - something that one would expect to fall within the will of a good God.they say,since God called everything he created good,there has to be world peace,The next statement indicates that a perfect, loving God must create ä universe that is perfect. This is the statement that is false
and invalidates the argument. Nowhere does the Bible state that the universe was created to be perfect. God Himself called it "good" and "very good," but never "perfect."

The question is, dos God want world peace?.However surprising as it may seem, world peace is not part of the will of God. In fact, Jesus said that His coming would cause division instead
of peace:
"Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no,
but rather division; for from now on five members in one
household will be divided, three against two, and two against
three. They will be divided, father against son, and son against
father; mother against daughter, and daughter against mother;
mother-in-law against daughter- in-law, and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law." (Luke 12:51-53)

GOD WANTED YOU TO MAKE SPIRITUAL CHOICE.
God's main goal in creating the universe in which we live was not to
make a perfect place for people to live in. God's objective was to create
a temporary universe in which free will spiritual beings could make
spiritual choices. God's plan for the universe is to allow a large number of these spiritual beings (both angels and humans) to choose to spend eternity with Him. At the appointed time, God will call an end to the present universe and judge those who reject His invitation. That is the reason that we are here. We are to choose to love or oppose God. As Jesus said above, at least half of the people
will CHOOSE TO OPPOSE GOD AND TO OPPOSE THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW HIM.

SPIRITUAL CHOICES CAUSED WORLD DIVISION:
Jesus said that the division between His followers and those who
oppose Him will widen as time goes on:
"Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you
will be hated by all nations on account of My name." (Matthew 24:9)
So, the reason why there is no world peace is because most people
have chosen to oppose God and do their own thing. Jesus said that
God will allow this unrighteousness to continue for quite a while,
then bring a quick end to the persecution of the righteous:
"For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred
since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall. And
unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been
saved; but for the sake of the elect those days shall be cut
short." (Matthew 24:21-22)
It is at this time that God will judge the world and the unrighteous.
Following this, God will destroy the universe and create a brand new one.

GOD'S CONCEPT OF PEACE:
Jesus, the Prince of Peace, did not come to give peace to the world,
but to give peace with God to the individual:
Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God
through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:1) This peace comes through repentance. Unfortunately, many people do
not know what true repentance means. Here is Thayer's Greek
definition of the word translated "repent":
1. to change one’s mind, i.e. to
repent
2. to change one’s mind for
better, heartily to amend
with abhorrence of one’s
past sins.

So, repentance is not simply saying a prayer and going along with
one's own idea of what is right. It is believing God and responding in that belief. The Bible states quite emphatically that individuals come to repentance, which leads to salvation. Of the many verses in the Bible that refer to the will of God, they all refer to the will of God in the life of the individual, not in regard to any kind of global effort. The Bible makes it clear that the goal of God is peace with individuals, and the He desires that all people come to this peace: This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who
desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the
truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and
men, the man Christ Jesus, (1 Timothy 2:3-5)

Choose God - don't go along with the crowd If you live to see the time of the end, remember what Jesus said. It will
seem that things are going quite well for unbelievers as the people of God are silenced by those who hate Him. When this occurs, there will be little time to choose to follow God and the choice will be difficult. However, it will be the only choice that will prevent you from being eternally separated from God and His home - heaven. Life is all about choices. God wants you to follow Jesus. I am not talking about becoming some right wing freak, just about following Jesus. Do the right thing!
Christianity Etc › Re: The Christian Faith Is Based Upon Evidence by malvisguy212(op): 10:04pm On Mar 30, 2015
malvisguy212:
yes,jesus did not preach religion,it was the behaviour of the disciples,they behave like Christ, and the people nicknamed them Christian meaning Christ-like,Simon peter was the leader and he was one of Jesus disciple meaning he was a witnesses to All the message of Jesus Christ.
◄ Psalm 84:5 ►
What joy for those whose strength comes
from the LORD, who have set their minds
on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem.
◄ Psalm 98:4 ►
New International Version
Shout for joy to the LORD, all the earth,
burst into jubilant song with MUSIC;

New Living Translation
Shout to the LORD, all the earth; break
out in praise and SING for joy

How do you sing? Is not by clapping hands? I may not reply you anymore because this was not the reason I open this thread.
Christianity Etc › Re: i love quran by malvisguy212: 9:20pm On Mar 30, 2015
rahymat:
he just caused confusion between the world
do you think God created you to come and enjoy life and live a pleasurable life? Although God want you to be happy but the division among human mean it will be hard for world peace to come, infacte praying for world peace is not among the will of God, God only want you to make peace with Him.
https://www.nairaland.com/1995965/athiest-claim-god-existed-prayer
Christianity Etc › Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by malvisguy212: 4:32pm On Mar 30, 2015
Christianity Etc › Re: Only Jesus Can Save by malvisguy212: 8:46am On Mar 30, 2015
missclasssy:
Yea, like its easy for a muslim or a Hindu to just denounce his religion all of a sudden
Its even close to impossible in my opinion
All other religion provide solution to pleased God "if I can do enough,pray enough give enough sacrifice enough, perhaps God will forgive me" only Christianity say your bad deed cannot save you, salvation is a work of God base on the belief of Jesus christ,it is ONLY God that can provide a way in which we can be saved and not religion.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Mountain Climber by malvisguy212: 8:39am On Mar 30, 2015
God bless you my good friend.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Just Me? by malvisguy212: 9:50pm On Mar 29, 2015
Dolemite:
Am I the only sista atheist on Nairaland? sad
why do you chose evil? Chose life and live ,I gave you my word, God will come very soon. The bible say;
Ecclesiastes 12:1
Remember also your Creator in the days
of your youth, before the evil days come
and the years draw near of which you
will say, “I have no pleasure in them”;

And open you mind and read this verse below;
Ecclesiastes 4:6
Better one handful with rest than two
handfuls with effort and a pursuit of the
wind.

foolishly expect more satisfaction in sloth and idleness. But idleness is a sin that is its own punishment.
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah’s Invalidate His Own Revelation. by malvisguy212(op): 9:31pm On Mar 29, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:
Laughing... What is being explained is nafilat that is being performed in midnight to pray to God and God also tell us when it's time to do it..
not being able to do it all night ( is for those that can't perform nafilat in midnight) that they should perform as they can and they should read Quran.

Satisfied?
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 9:30pm On Mar 29, 2015
Fxwarrior:
Never in my life have I seen a brainless person as this mofo. How can you read about your life except you wrote it yourself. Most times such is written at one's death and you expect such an one to read from it during his lifetime.

Epic brainlessness.
muhammed got them very very confused,muhammed thought the gospel is a book but unknown to him, the gospel is not a book, is the GOOD NEWS God bring to man.Jesus did not speak His own words, but the words that the Father gave Him>>>john14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not
my sayings: and the WORD WHICH YE HEARE IS NOT MINE, but the Father's which sent me.

And this verse clear everything;
John12:49 For I have not spoken of myself;
but the Father which sent me, he gave
me a commandment, what I should say,
and what I should speak.
12:50 And I know that his commandment
is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak
therefore, even as the Father said unto
me, so I speak.

But muhammed thought the gospel is a book and he wrote in the quran that Allah gave Jesus a book, A book that is no where to be found.
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah’s Invalidate His Own Revelation. by malvisguy212(op): 3:37pm On Mar 29, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:
This Christians just keep rambling over issue that they are plainly wrong.

Qur'an is complete and can't be altered.. Like the first quoted surah said.

And your 2nd Surat you quoted , is it talking about Qur'an completeness?

Laughing... I will keep debunking your conspiracy theories
Allah command the muslims to stand and pray all night;

Surah 73:1-2: “O you wrapped in
garments (i.e. Prophet Muhammad)!
Stand (to pray) all night, except a
little.” (Hilali-Khan)

However, the above two verses are
abrogated by the last verse of the very
same Surah:

Surah 73:20: “Verily, your Lord knows
that you do stand (to pray at night) a
little less than two-thirds of the night,
or half the night, or a third of the
night, and so do a party of those with
you, And Allah measures the night
and the day. HE KNOWS THAT YOU ARE
UNABLE TO PRAY THE WHOLE NIGHT, so
He has turned to you (in mercy). So,
recite you of the Qur’an as much as
may be easy for you.” (Hilariously)

The directive to “Stand to pray all night,
except a little” in Surah 73:2 is abrogated by Surah 73:20 – the last verse of the same Surah.n, we can
see that Allah’s failure in his judgment
resulted in the abrogation of the Qur’anic verses. It shows that many of the “better” revelations are revealed on the basis of trial and error. But, one of the real reasons behind the concept of
abrogation is that Muhammad intended
to make the performing of the Islamic
rites and worship easier on his followers
so as to hold on to their approval and
satisfaction with his teachings. If he
decreed something which later seemed
to be too difficult for his followers to
apply and they remonstrated against it,
he would “lighten” it immediately and
claim that Allah had ordered him to
rescind what he previously uttered. And
the verses he recited earlier were
replaced by new ones.
Christianity Etc › Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by malvisguy212: 2:58pm On Mar 29, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:
Jesus didnt die according to bible.. He wasnt crucified either.. he ascend to God..
provide the verse in the bible.
Christianity Etc › Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by malvisguy212: 1:55pm On Mar 29, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:
You means those laws are not for human?
is this what you understand in my post? Thank you for your time
Christianity Etc › Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by malvisguy212: 1:53pm On Mar 29, 2015
johnydon22:
i gave you a definition as given by the [size=20] English Dictionary[/size]

please where did you get this ur divine explanation.. lol
the bible define faith as the Work of God base on the belief in christ Jesus."God made him (Christ) who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." Corinthians 5:21

Jesus Died As Our Representative Jesus identified Himself with sinful humanity. He became one with us. God sent Jesus to represent us. Without faith in Jesus we are "in Adam", part of sinful humanity - fit only to die. But "in Christ", represented by Him, we can know a completely new kind of life.
Christianity Etc › Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by malvisguy212: 1:41pm On Mar 29, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:
God is human? May God forgive you.
Jesus wasnt crucified... Bible testified to that
Didnt jesus said you people should believe in moses law... Moses law is same as shariah law.. Why did you people go against it?
your don't know the true God how can you know his nature?

The law is good and perfect, do you think an imperfect human can obey the law? the law is the manifestation of God holiness,and the law will enable us to know what is right and wrong.When the law was introduced, it was never intended to be the instrument by which man would save himself, but it was the instrument through which man was to be saved.

When Jesus is said to have fulfilled the
law, it means that>>>>
HE PERFECTLY KEPT THE
LAW AND HE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE TO
FOLLOW, AND NEVER SINNED (1 Peter
2:22). This was therefore a manifestation of and testimony to His deity.
For more read here https://www.nairaland.com/2173054/what-jesus-meant-fullfiled-law
Christianity Etc › Re: Open Matured Discussion Among Religions by malvisguy212: 1:26pm On Mar 29, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:
So you accept jesus is not God abi

If he's not God, what is he?
Jesus has two nature, God and fully human, the bible say God is a spirit, can a spirit walk in the realm of human? No,he must possessed a flesh, God possessed the flesh of a human give him authority, God want to have a personal relationship with his creatures just as he did with adam and eve.

Jesus Christ came into the world to solve
man's fundamental problem. The problem of sin. All men are sinners, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" ( Romans 3:23).The darkness of selfishness, and captivity of sin overshadows our whole life. We cannot obey the law because our sinful
Nature cannot resist sin, that why Jesus,Jesus is the only man both in the quran and bible who has ever kept the law, once we believe in Jesus and adopt his righteousness,we will not break the law.

God is absolutely pure and spotless, for as it says in 1 John 1:5, "And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all." What results of man's sinfulness are listed in Isaiah 59:2? As light and darkness can never live together, neither can God and sin. He "dwells in unapproachable light" ( 1 Timothy 6:16).

Just as darkness is dispelled by light, so
the sinner is inevitably banished from
God's holy presence and he cannot be in a relationship of fellowship with God
until his sin has been cleansed away.
Thus man's problem as illustrated below is, "How can I who am a banished sinner be reconciled to a holy God? How can my sins be forgiven so that I can have fellowship with God?"

Look up the following verses and record what motivated God to meet our deepest need.
John 3:16
Romans 5:8
Ephesians 2:4, 5
1 John 4:10
Jesus Christ died on our behalf. He
"came into the world to save sinners" (
Timothy 1:15) by dying on the cross.
Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 1:08pm On Mar 29, 2015
RoyPCain:
malvisguy212 is like a child to be weened by a foster mother. it may be sudden and before he returns to mother, he is completely lost, possibly. Jesus is "a word" not "the word or word and no one else is same".

Nowhere God says Jesus is His son, but always 'son of Mary' because it has been falsely established by the christians that God is his father. In fact, in Maryam, the God says for their saying that God has taken a son, the heaven [other creation, too] is about to collapse [except God does not permit it to happen]. God says it is not 'fitting' God to have/take a son because everything in heavens, on earth [known and unknown] comes to God as a 'slave/servant.


God says the similitude of creation of Jesus is the same as that of Adam; God created Adam from the earth [this is the womb now since there is no woman], then He says Be [a word], so it [the earth] becomes [a living Adam].

when the angel appeared to Mary, and Mary was saying how can i have a child, the Angel was commanded to tell her it is a thing decreed and it is easy for God and when God decrees a thing it says Be, so it Becomes.


sofry, sofry ooo, because openly lying will not get you anywhere.

and those encouraging you to take david woods as hero should along with you and david woods take up the challenge of drinking liquid paper if you are sure that you are on guidance. I know you will say you don't wanna tempt God. i have heard this weak line from those bigger apologetic and it is frankly a cop out.


i am telling you now that you will find Jesus son of Mary not to be the greatest prophet of his Lord and he Jesus is indeed a slave servant prophet of the Merciful. Jesus, based on your lies on him will not look in your direction because he is busy with his condition; read your bible ans see how he will forsake you, the 'miracle workers'. do not die except you are a muslim. its an advise from a messenger [me; a word of God] of The Messenger [SA] of God to you, a brother in humanity.
Surah 3:47: “She said: My Lord! How
can I have a child when no mortal
hath touched me? He said: So it will
be. Allah createth what He will. If
he decreeth a thing, He saith unto it
only: Be! And it is.” (Pickthall)

If you pay close attention to the reply of the angel in this verse, the angel was trying to say God just want to demonstrate his creative power as he did from the beginning, do you think God will interrupt the process of prcreation just for Jesus to have the virgin birth? The purposed of the virgin birth was not started in the quran,after the encounter Mary had with angel, the virgin birth was not mention and there is no place in the quran the virgin birth was prophesied do you think God will no prophesied this important event?

It was only in the bible the reason of the virgin birth was given, observe the reply of the true angel Gabriel here;

Luke 1:30-35: And the angel said to
her: “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you
have found favor with God. Behold!
You will conceive in your womb and
bear a son, and you are to call his
name Jesus. This one will be great
and will be called Son of the Most
High; and the Lord God will give him
the throne of David his father, and he
will rule as king over the house of
Jacob forever, and there will be no
end of his kingdom.” But Mary said to
the angel: “How is this to be, since I
am a virgin?” In answer the angel
said to her: “Holy spirit will come
upon you and POWER of the Most
High will OVERSHADOWED you.
Therefore the child to be born will
be called holy — the Son of God.”

As the power of God overshadowed Mary an holy seed is planted in her, it was the spirit of God that overshadowed her that is why the angel called him the SON OF GOD.

Surah 39:4:
“If Allah had willed to choose a son,
He could have chosen what He
would of that which He hath
created. Be He Glorified! He is Allah,
the One, the Absolute.” (Pickthall)

Well, does not this Qur’anic verse prove
that Allah can and could have a son?
Christianity Etc › Re: Judas: The Truth by malvisguy212: 11:51am On Mar 29, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:
They know he is Messiah (prophet) but did not accept him because he's not from their race..

Satisfied with the answer?
you are one of the most confused muslims I have ever debate with, uptil today the Jews are still waiting for the messiah, if the knew Jesus was the messiah,why will they want to crucified him?
Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 11:46am On Mar 29, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:
Where in Quran is jesus called spirit and word of God?

Which Bible call him son of God! When Jesus himself said he's servant of God, when jesus said he is a prophet of God.
Do you know how many people was called son of God in bible? SMH
read the op again,or let me paste it for you.

Surah 3:45: Behold! The angels said:
“O Mary! Allah giveth Thee glad
tidings of a Word from Him: his
name will be Christ Jesus. The son
of Mary, held in honor in this world
and the Hereafter and of (the
company of) those nearest to
Allah;” (Yusuf Ali)
Surah 4:171: “Christ Jesus the son of
Mary was (no more than) an apostle
of God, and His Word, which he
bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit
proceeding from him: so believe in
God and His apostles.” (Yusuf Ali)

In Surah 4:171, Jesus is called, “His
Word.” And in Surah 3:45 the Qur’an
states that Allah gave Mary a glad tidings
“of a Word from Him.” In the original
Arabic, the expression used here is
“kalimatim-minhu.” It means kalmia
(word), min (from), hu (him). It is of vital
importance for Muslims to note that
Jesus is the only Prophet who ever lived,
who is called a Word from God.

But why is Jesus called the “Word of
God”? In view of the fact that the Qur’an
attributes this title to Jesus without
explanation, it is in the Bible that we find
the ultimate meaning of this term. He is
designated as such not only during his
life here on earth but also during his pre-
human spirit existence in heaven.
Furthermore, the Bible book of
Revelation reveals that even after his
heavenly resurrection, Jesus is still
known as the “Word of God.” Biblical
titles often describe the function served
or the duty performed by the bearer. For
instance, in Exodus 4:16, it is stated that
God made Aaron the “mouth” or the
“spokesman” of Moses, saying:
“He must speak for you to the people;
and it must occur that he will serve as
a mouth to you, and you will serve as
God to him.”

JESUS IS CALLED THE SPIRIT OF GOD;
Surah 4:171: “The Messiah, Jesus son
of Mary, was (no more than) an
apostle of Allah, and His Word, which
He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit
from Him.”
The words used in Surah 4:171 are
ruhun-minhu, “a Spirit from him.”
Thus, the Qur’an clearly describes the
human, Jesus, as a Spirit from God
himself. With Jesus being the only
exception, no humans are ever depicted
as such. However, no attempt is made to
explain this absolutely unique statement
of belief in the Qur’an. Yet, the Qur’an
strongly supports the Christian belief
that Jesus was a pre-existing Spirit
creature who took on a human form.
Surah 4:171 presupposes that Jesus
existed before he was conceived by a
virgin-woman.
For the Qur’an to identify Jesus as a Spirit
from God who was committed to Mary
indicates that he was with God even
before he was given to her. It is the
closest the Qur’an comes to admitting
the pre-existence of Jesus before his
conception on earth.
Christianity Etc › Re: Conclusive Evidence In The Quran That Proof Jesus Is The Son Of God. by malvisguy212(op): 11:26am On Mar 29, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:
God miracle which God has already solved the existence and meaning of the miracle you twisting like this (jesus is the miracle in context)


If you claim that jesus is God son because he has no biological father... What of a man that has no father nor mother nor siblings nor family.. He wasn't born. That man is in Bible. His birth is far more superior than Jesus .
If na birth circumstances you using to judge son of God, it means this man who wasn't born is the real son of god
.

Besides, the real meaning of son of God in Bible is righteous man. .. Became we have many sons of God and em good people
I don't even understand what you are saying here, who was the man you are talking about?when I read your post, I know I will be wasting my time, but I decided to reply you so that you won't be so proud that you answer the question(even though you dint)

No muslims have been able ro answer this question;
Quran called Jesus spirit and word of God and the bible called him son of God, how can you reconciled all this.
Christianity Etc › Re: Judas: The Truth by malvisguy212: 10:32am On Mar 29, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:
Av debunked all those conspiracy theories... Need more bro... Besides, most of it is seriously nonsense.. I swear.. Ain't real one worth tackling
I read all what you wrote and they are all nonsense.am in church now, I will reply you later.

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