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 Christianity Etc › Re: What Jesus Meant By "Fullfiled The Law" by malvisguy212(op): 8:41pm On Apr 06, 2015 |
Misogynist2014:Jesus died ,ressurected and live forever, if I believe in Him, His righteousness will dwell in me and I will be righteous, why won't I say I am righteous? God has already work salvation for me through Jesus, and I believe, what does it mean? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Jesus Meant By "Fullfiled The Law" by malvisguy212(op): 8:36pm On Apr 06, 2015 |
The knowledge of the law help us to understand sins, without the law we wouldn't have know this; Galatian 5:19-21 19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. the purpose of the law is to revealed sin, however we are led by the spirit and if we believe in Jesus we will be called the sons of God and the fruit of the spirit will indwell in us; Galatian 5:22-25 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self- control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Jesus Meant By "Fullfiled The Law" by malvisguy212(op): 7:57pm On Apr 06, 2015 |
Goshen360:first gentile is used to described outsiders,the gentile are referee as enemy of the Jews the gentile are not country people ,in Mark 7:26, Jesus helps a Gentile woman who had asked for her daughter’s freedom from a demon.when Jesus indicating "don't go to the gentile" you have to understand the context and asked, who are the gentile in this context? There is a reprobate nation , a nation which God has already judge but God waited until they filled up there measures, example is the amalikites, God judge them in exedus but God waited for more than 300 years after they filled up there measures, David Wipe them out.they are good example of the reprobate nation also read isaiah 6. But when christ say go to the gentile, also you need to understand the context, the gentile may be reffering to the Romans or Greek and christ is telling the disciples to preach to them ,there is no contradiction in the word of Jesus.When writing to the (mostly Gentile) church in Rome, Paul communicated his goal: “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile” (Romans 1:16). Paul realized that the coming of Jesus provided the opportunity for salvation to whoever would believe in Christ’s name ( John 3:16). Let me ask you this, to you,what do you gain from the law? Do you think you will know lust without the law? Some nation whom the gospel has not been preach to , how will you preach to them without them understanding the law of God? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Jesus Meant By "Fullfiled The Law" by malvisguy212(op): 6:18pm On Apr 06, 2015 |
Goshen360:among your conclusion,this confused me; 1. The Gentiles, that is, YOU & ME....DO NOT HAVE THE LAW. That is, the Law OF MOSES wasn't written to US. Jesus quote the law of Moses and claimed to fullfiled this law, now if the law of Moses wasn't written to us as you said, doesent this mean christ wasn't sent to All nation? But to the Jews? Remember,in acts1:6-8 Jesus command his disciples to preach to All nation. The second paragraph in the op say; "When the law was introduced, it was never intended to be the instrument by which man would save himself, but it was the instrument through which man was to be saved." |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Jesus Meant By "Fullfiled The Law" by malvisguy212(op): 3:22pm On Apr 06, 2015 |
Goshen360:I like your explanation, we are all here to learn from each other. The advantage of the law is to revealed our sinful nature(if the law do not say, you shall not kill.,I wouldn't have known that) but man still find it hard to keep the law, the question is What motivate God to meet our need(grace)? It's love; Romans 5:8 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. John15:13 13 “Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. Grace is an umarited favour from God, we all are sinner and cannot keep the law. The bible defined salvation as the work of God base on the belief of Jesus christ, if we believe in Jesus christ. We will not sin or break the law .we are not under the law of sin and death. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Jesus Meant By "Fullfiled The Law" by malvisguy212(op): 3:02pm On Apr 06, 2015 |
truthman2012:joyful77 if you don't understand the op enough, read this post, you will understand more. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Evidences For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by malvisguy212: 2:26pm On Apr 06, 2015 |
davien:Jesus lived what He preached. His followers preached what He lived and then wrote it down. The new testament writer where not historian,they were common men and excepting Paul, Luke, and possibly Matthew . But does education or high position guarantee honesty or accuracy? Surly only GOD himself could've inspired this men to write this gospels. Come to think of it. Jesus’ first-century enemies published nothing to deny the resurrection ; True, why would they?Yes, His body was missing and there were disturbing resurrection rumors, but why would His enemies publish written accounts denying an event they claimed never happened? No physical evidence for the resurrection: True, but what physical evidence should we expect? Religious and Roman authorities never produced Jesus’ body to quell growing resurrection rumors even though they had every motivation (and the manpower) to find Jesus’ body and put an end to these But they didn’t.you guys (atheists) always claimed to be interlingent, but have you guys ever ask this questions? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Jesus Meant By "Fullfiled The Law" by malvisguy212(op): 1:57pm On Apr 06, 2015 |
Joyful77:your post doesent sound like a muslim, is more like an atheist. I will like you to answer the above post, what are the law in Islam? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: To Athiests, What Are Your Reasons For Dumping Religious Faith To Athiesm by malvisguy212: 11:15am On Apr 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:Ready? Quote the thread.don't be afraid. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: To Athiests, What Are Your Reasons For Dumping Religious Faith To Athiesm by malvisguy212: 11:15am On Apr 06, 2015 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: To Athiests, What Are Your Reasons For Dumping Religious Faith To Athiesm by malvisguy212: 10:39am On Apr 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:I do not create the thread for debate, I don't know if you are lying or not, I ask a very important question in the thread, (the last sentence in the thread) go and read the thread when you finished, type your answer "YES"or"NO" and you pass by. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by malvisguy212: 9:41am On Apr 06, 2015 |
musKeeto:https://www.nairaland.com/2239640/why-fear-death#32399073 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: To Athiests, What Are Your Reasons For Dumping Religious Faith To Athiesm by malvisguy212: 9:39am On Apr 06, 2015 |
johnydon22:https://www.nairaland.com/2239640/why-fear-death#32399073 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 9:35am On Apr 06, 2015 |
AllNaijaBlogger:don't wast your time on him, I created a thread "did Paul invent Christianity?" https://www.nairaland.com/1981918/did-paul-invent-christianity non of them where able to give a reasonable reply. The atheists and muslims were just posting trash. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Allah's Messenger Claims Allah Wrote The Bible by malvisguy212: 9:26am On Apr 06, 2015 |
truthman2012:the nature of God in the quran is like the nature of satan, the bible say "our God cannot lie" yet in the quran,we see allah changing his word replacing them with new revelation just to favour his ONLY prophet , the sad thing is that this innocent muslims do not have problems with this lying nature of Allah. May God help us. Thank you, good to see you once again. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Why Do You Fear Death? by malvisguy212(op): 9:14am On Apr 06, 2015 |
People who have no assurance of their salvation fear death. I know, since I was afraid of death before I put my faith in Jesus Christ. If there is no God, then death would be merely a ceasing of existence ,with nothing to fear. However, if Christianity is true, then those who do not believe should fear death, since the fate of believers and non-believers is quite different. WHY JUDGMENT? The consistency of the physical laws of the universe are reflection of God's unchangeable and righteous nature. In order to be consistent and righteous, God must judge every behavior that is not consistent with His. Therefore, any ungodly behavior must be judged and condemned by God in order for Him to retain His righteousness. A common myth is that God "grades on the curve" and "as long as I behave better than most people, He will allow me into heaven." God's righteousness is absolute, not relative. WHY FEAR? All spiritual creatures ( angels, and humans) recognize that their spirits are eternal and that they will go through judgment of God, based upon their adherence to the laws of God. The Bible says that knowledge of God's existence and the eternal nature of the human spirit has been revealed to all people: Ecclesiastes 3:11>>>> He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in the hearts of men; yet they cannot fathom what God has done from beginning to end. NO FEAR; There are many possibilities on the existence of God. Atheists say that God doesn't exist and that death results in the end of individual existence. There should be nothing to fear from death, since your brain just shuts down. Deists say that God exists, but doesn't have any interests in humanity. So, there is no heaven/hell and death ends it all, as in atheism. Many other religions claim a god or gods, but none seem to be interested in punishing human beings.Islam say if your good deed outweigh your bad deed,you will be favour,although this seems like a punishment to sinner that may lead to fear but this ease up the fear (if I can do enough).It is only Christianity that says that death brings judgment to the unrepentant. So, if you go by the odds, either death brings the cessation of existence or some kind of paradise that is open for everybody. It is irrational to fear this kind of uncertainty. So, the only kind of uncertainty that should be feared is whether or not Christianity is true. ENDING FEAR; If you want to relieve your fears about death, you should try to determine if Christianity is true or false. The assignment is not too difficult. It isn't as if you need to examine every religion on the face of the earth - just one. Unlike the other religions, which generally go uncriticized, there are numerous objections to Christianity, especially by atheists. It's as if they know that Christianity is the only religion that seriously challenges their atheism. So, you are going to live in fear and doubt until you deal with the question of whether Christianity is true or not. Visit the atheists' websites. Visit the Christian sites. Get informed and make a rational decision. CONCLUSION; So to my atheists friends. If you fear death, yet believe that God does not exist, then you are being irrational. Then again, maybe you uncertain whether death is the end of your existence. ARE YOU READY TO DIE? 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Allah's Messenger Claims Allah Wrote The Bible by malvisguy212: 8:47am On Apr 06, 2015 |
truthman2012:good morning sir.nice talk. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Allah's Messenger Claims Allah Wrote The Bible by malvisguy212: 8:45am On Apr 06, 2015 |
Abuamam:where are the books given to Moses Jesus and David? (if not the bible) will Allah be so weak to protect his word? Infacte the quran is one of the bias book ever, the quran is the only book that condemned the faith of other religion. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Die for Our Sin? Which Sin? Ifeann Should Please Come In by malvisguy212: 8:38am On Apr 06, 2015 |
udatso:the quran and hadith say the pagan ritual muhammed retain it for the worship of Islam, and he say"it was the symbol of Allah, (the Arab pagan where the first to practice tawaf between safa and marwa) so I ask, how is the practices of pagan becomes the symbol of Allah? Non of you were been able to answer it ? Instead you guys are just writing with different type of colour like Artists full the thread with note without saying anything. |
| Islam › Re: The French Seek Knowledge About Islam From Islamic Books by malvisguy212: 9:27pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
Abuamam:1.why not used your quranic verse to support your claimed? The op say Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world,(bible say broad is the way that lead to death, many there will go in there) meaning Islam is the broad way. 2. You are absolutely right,even me, I don't trust most of nowadays pastors.however this include all the written on the tree and baby born with quran and soo many of them. 3.Christians can be "case makers" precisely because the Christian faith is an evidential faith. When we, as Christians, argue for the truth of the Christian Worldview, we are not sharing an opinion. There either is a God, or there is not. Jesus is that God, or He is not. Salvation comes through Christ alone (as Jesus Himself maintained), or it does not. This is not a matter of opinion, personal preference or wishful thinking. The Christian faith is grounded in evidence that can be assessed and evaluated. The Christian faith is an evidential faith. https://www.nairaland.com/2148108/christian-faith-based-upon-evidence. 4.Islam began as a stranger meaning God did not recognised it,infacte God did not recognised religion. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 8:52pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
Continue... Bishr died because he trusted Muhammad. Muhammad died, too. His pain and sickness just lasted much longer. In Sunan Abu Dawud, Muhammad even described his pain to Bishr's mother. Sunan Abu Dawud 4449 Umm Bishr said to the Prophet during the sickness of which he died, "What do you think about your illness, Apostle of Allah? I do not think about the illness of my son except the poisoned sheep of which he had eaten with you at Khaibar." The Prophet said, "And I do not think about my illness except that. This is the time when it cut off my aorta." There's that aorta again. At-Tabari, p. 124 The Messenger of God said during the illness from which he died—the mother of Bishr b. al-Bara had come in to visit him—"Umm Bishr, at this very moment I feel my aorta being severed because of the food I ate with your son at Khaybar." Okay, Muhammad, we get the point about the severed aorta. According to Aisha, Muhammad was in total agony before his death. Sunan ibn Majah 1622 Aishah said, "I never saw anyone suffer more pain than the Messenger of Allah" In the end, Muhammad couldn't even walk on his own. His followers had to drag him around. Sahih al-Bukhari 2588 Aisha said, "When the Prophet became sick and his condition became serious, he requested his wives to allow him to be treated in my house, and they allowed him. He came out leaning on two men while his feet were dragging on the ground." Now, since the Qur'an says that if Muhammad were a false prophet, Allah would sever his aorta; and Muhammad eventually admitted that he could feel his aorta being severed. You might think we have a pretty good reason to reject Muhammad and his religion, but you're wrong. If you look more closely, you'll see that we have at least ten good reasons to reject Muhammad here. First, think about Muhammad's argument in the Qur'an. "If I'm a false prophet Allah will cut my aorta!" People who make silly claims like this usually aren't prophets. "I am a prophet! If I'm not, may God strike me with lightning....Ah, no lightning! This proves I'm a prophet." When someone uses that kind of reasoning, chances are, he's a false prophet, but that's exactly how Muhammad argues in Surah 69. (Video clip: "So logically..." "If she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood!"  Second, even though these God-will- strike-me-down claims are usually enough to spot a false prophet, I believe that God sometimes makes things even more clear and obvious for us. If someone's running around saying, "I'm a prophet! God didn't strike me down," God might ignore him, but in some cases, God might decide to thoroughly disgrace and humiliate him. And if any false prophet in history was a candidate for divine judgment, it was Muhammad. Now, Surah 69 was a Meccan surah, meaning that Muhammad was reciting this to his followers for years. He spent years telling his companions, "If I'm a false prophet, God's going to sever my aorta!" My friends, there are thousands of ways to die. Do you really think that it's a coincidence that Muhammad died in exactly the way the Qur'an said he would die if he's a deceiver and a false prophet? Looks like divine judgment to me. Third, I don't wanna call Muhammad "stupid" because that wouldn't be politically correct, but let's think about this for a moment. Muhammad and his followers attack Khaibar. After the Muslims kill a bunch of men and rape a bunch of women—standard practice for Muslims back then—a Jewish woman comes up to Muhammad. Muslims had slaughtered her family, and she offers to cook dinner for Muhammad and his band of merry men. Muhammad accepts her offer. "Sure, I love lamb. So nice of you to cook dinner for us after we butchered your father and your husband." Look, if Muhammad doesn't have enough common sense to realize he probably shouldn't eat that lamb, why should we trust anything the comes out of his mouth? If a woman comes up to you and says, "Hi, you slaughtered my family! Care for a delicious meal?" And the only response you can think of is (Video clip: "Duh! Yeah, I think so.) Sorry. You're not a real prophet. Fourth, despite the fact that Muslims had slaughtered her family, the Jewish woman, Zaynab, was actually open to the possibility that Muhammad was a prophet. She gave him the poison as a test. If you were a true prophet, you wouldn't eat it. If you were a false prophet, you'd die. Since Muhammad died from the poisoning, he failed Zaynab's test. Fifth, Muhammad's companion, Bishr, who'd tasted the poison as soon as he put the lamb in his mouth. Why did he keep eating? He kept eating, because he believed in Muhammad. "There's no way this lamb is poisoned. Muhammad is eating it. He's the prophet!" Bishr's faith in Muhammad got him killed; and I'm willing to lay this down as a rule: If I can't trust you with my dinner, I definitely can't trust you with my salvation. If you can't figure out what's waiting for you in food, how could you possibly know what's waiting for you in the afterlife? (Video clip: "Ignorance is bliss." Sixth, when Zaynab told Muhammad that she had poisoned him, Muhammad said that Allah would never allow it! But Allah did allow it. So if Muhammad was wrong about Allah then, please explain to me why I should trust him when he tells me other things about Allah. Seventh, Muhammad claimed that the lamb he was eating spoke to him and told him that it was poisoned. So he got a special revelation, because he was a prophet. Two questions: (1) Why didn't the roasted lamb say something five minutes earlier, which would've saved Muhammad's life (not to mention Bishr's life) and (2) Why did Muhammad need a revelation when you could taste the poison? Isn't this proof that Muhammad was actually making up revelations? Isn't it obvious that he tasted the poison, same as Bishr, but instead of saying, "Hey, I taste poison." He said, "It's speaking to me! I'm a prophet!" Sounds like a fake to me. Eighth, think about the justice here. The justice is just a little too poetic. This can't be a coincidence. Muhammad did more than anyone else in history to provoke hatred against Jews. Muhammad did more than anyone else in history to oppress women. Muhammad told his followers that women are stupid. And then, Muhammad died a miserable, humiliating, wretched death after being outwitted by a JEWISH WOMAN. So God didn't merely disgrace Muhammad by severing his aorta, thereby identifying him as a false prophet. God added to Muhammad's degradation by severing his aorta through the hands of a Jewish woman seeking vengeance against the man who had brought her community nothing but death and rape. (Video clip: "Fair is fair! We didn't start this. We didn't mean it to happen, but we're not giving up 'til you pay. Fair is fair!" Ninth, according to the Qur'an, when the Jews tried to kill Jesus, Allah intervened and rescued Him. This is Surah 4:157-58. Allah took Jesus safely to Paradise. He wouldn't give anyone the victory over Jesus. But when a group of Jews wanted to kill Muhammad, what happened? Allah sits back and watches as a woman poisons his prophet, and he does nothing as his prophet dies a humiliating death. Why does Allah protect Jesus from harm—zips Him straight to Paradise—then when he turns around and sees Muhammad wallowing in freakish misery, Allah doesn't lift a finger to help him. Sounds like Allah was showing a little favoritism. Don't mess with Jesus! Allah won't let you, but go ahead and feed Muhammad some rat poison and Allah doesn't care. Finally, Muhammad's greatest wish was to die in battle. Sahih al-Bukhari 2797 The Prophet said, ..."By Him in Whose Hands my soul is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then come back to life and then get martyred, and then come back to life again and then get martyred and then come back to life again and then get martyred." If you read the Muslim sources, you know that every time Muhammad wants something, Allah gives him a special revelation granting him what he desires. Muhammad wants to have sex with Aisha, Allah gives him a revelation. Muhammad wants more than four wives, Allah gives him a revelation. Muhammad wants to marry the divorced wife of his own adopted son, Allah gives him a revelation. Allah's got nothing to do but sit around all day making Muhammad's dreams come true. (Video clip: "Well, I read about genies but I never thought they really... It's like something out of the Arabian nights." Muhammad's ultimate wish was to die in battle. It was his greatest desire. But instead of letting Muhammad die while fighting the Jews, Allah let's him die a disgraceful death, in utter agony at the hands of a Jewish woman. Death by leg of lamb. After spending more than two decades granting Muhammad anything he wanted, Allah suddenly decides not to give Muhammad what he wanted most. It seems Allah had a change of heart. Putting all this together, we found at least ten reasons to reject Islam just by examining Muhammad's death. If we look at how he lived, of course, we have another trillion or so reasons to conclude that he's a false prophet. What I find most interesting, though, is that Muslims will be upset with me for making this video. They'll complain about the movie clips I used. They'll complain about the things I've said. "David, how dare you put up a Weekend at Bernie's clip to illustrate what we read in Bukhari." But let me be perfectly clear, nothing I've said about Muhammad comes anywhere near what God said about Muhammad. I'll go a step further, If you take everything that people have ever said or done to insult Muhammad—Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses, the Danish cartoons, people burning the Qur'an—if you take everything critical of Muhammad and roll it up into one big ball, that's nothing compared to the way that God insulted and condemned Muhammad. There's no comparison between some guy drawing a picture of Muhammad and God severing his aorta to humiliate him. God is the ultimate critic of Muhammad. So, what are you going to do, my Muslim friends? Are you going to run around calling God an Islamophobic bigot because He insulted Muhammad? Or are you going to accept correction from the Almighty? Islam means "submission". Muslims think it refers to submission to God—but God has already given His answer. He commands you to reject Muhammad. If you continue believing in Muhammad, what you're really saying is, "God can't make me stop believing in Muhammad. I don't care what God says. I believe in Muhammad anyway." But in that case, Islam isn't submission to God. It's submission to Muhammad. If you care more about Muhammad than you care about God, you, guys, are living in Shirk Central. David: That's right. I SOLVED the cold case, so put that in your file. (listens) David: No, I just wanna hear you to say it: "Colombo, ain't got nothin' on me!" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 8:47pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
http://frolickyfingers..de/2011/11/transcript-who-killed-muhammad-by-david.html?m=1 David: Hello? I'd like to report a murder. (listens) David: His name? Muhammad. Muhammad ibn Abdullah. (listens) David: I think he was poisoned. (listens) David: No, he's the prophet of Islam. (listens) David: Well, it was almost 14 centuries ago, but don't you, guys, have a cold case file or something? (listens) David: Not for that long ago! Don't you know how important this case is?! I've got Sunnis telling me a Jewish woman poisoned him. I've got Shias telling me Aisha poisoned him, and I wanna know who killed.. Hello? (snorts) She hung up. I guess I'll have to solve this one myself —through a careful investigation of the Muslim sources. By the way, to all my Muslim friends out there who didn't bother to read your most trusted sources, may I say in advance: Mua ha ha. Okay, I've been through the Qur'an, the hadith, and the sira literature, and I think I've solved the mystery of Muhammad's death. It's actually pretty straightforward. The Muslim sources tell us that Muhammad was poisoned. All we have to do is take everything we know about how Muhammad was killed, and ask ourselves who would've killed him in that particular way. Police do this sort of thing everyday. They match up a bullet with the gun that fired the bullet. They match up fingerprints with the finger [of the person] who left the fingerprints. They match up details of a crime with the criminal who has a certain M.O. So to figure out who killed Muhammad, we just need to do a little profiling. (Video clip: Accused: But the fact remains you can't prove that I did it. It could've been anybody! Colombo: It can only be you—by your own admission!) The main difficulty we face is that lots of people wanted to kill Muhammad. The pagans wanted to kill him for conquering their cities, smashing their idols, slaughtering their men , raping their women, and enslaving their children. Jews wanted to kill them for seizing their land, destroying their communities, slaughtering their men , raping their women, and enslaving their children. Christians wanted to kill him for threatening to conquer them. Men wanted to kill him. Women wanted to kill him. Old people wanted to kill him. Young people wanted to kill him. Muhammad made a LOT of enemies. (Video clip: "What's the matter Rodney?" "Ohhh, I don't get any respect at all." Fortunately, we can narrow down our list of suspects by ruling out people who would've killed Muhammad in some way OTHER than poisoning. Certain killers like to strangle their victims; they're not going to use poison. Some people prefer knives. Some people set fires. Some people push their victims off cliffs. Colonel Mustard wouldn't poison anybody. He used a lead pipe in The Ballroom. Interestingly, the Qur'an tells us how Allah would've killed Muhammad. We find Allah's M.O., his preferred method of executing prophets, in Surah 69:44 through 46. According to the Qur'an, if Muhammad were to invent a false revelation, if he were to make up verses of the Qur'an, Allah would kill him by severing his aorta. (The aorta is the large artery that comes out of the left ventricle of your heart. Some Muslim sources call it the "life artery".) Let's look at different translations of verses 44 to 46 along with a commentary, so we can get a clear idea of what the passage is saying. The Hilali- Khan translation reads: Qur'an 69:44-46 And if he (Muhammad) had forged a false saying concerning Us We surely should have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), and then certainly should have cut off his life artery (aorta). [Hilali-Khan] And in parenthesis, the translators add, "aorta". The Pickthal translation declares: Qur-an 69:44-46 And if he had invented false sayings concerning Us, We assuredly had taken him by the right hand and then severed his life-artery. [Pickthall] Dawood's translation reads: Qur-an 69:44-46 Had he invented lies concerning Us, We would have seized him by the right hand and severed his heart's vein. [Dawood] ibn Shakir renders these verses: Qur-an 69:44-46 And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly have seized him by the right hand, then We would certainly have cut off his aorta. [Shakir] Just so we're clear on the meaning, and no one accuses me of misrepresenting the passage, let me read one of the greatest Muslim commentaries of these verses. This is Tafsir Jalalayn: Tafsir Jalalayn [on Qur-an 69:44-46] And had he, namely, the Prophet, fabricated any lies against Us, by communicating from Us that which We have not said, We would have assuredly seized him, We would have exacted vengeance [against him], as punishment, by the Right Hand, by [Our] strength and power; then We would have assuredly severed his life-artery, the aorta of the heart, a vein that connects with it, and which if severed results in that person's death. So if Muhammad had been a false prophet and a liar and a deceiver, we know how Allah would've killed him— Allah would've cut his aorta. As long as no one severs Muhammad's aorta then, we can rule out Allah as a suspect. (Video clip: "I didn't do it! Just because the blood was in my hand, doesn't mean I stabbed the man." Now that we've got our strategy, let's turn to our Muslim sources, so that we can put together our profile. According to Sahih al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, and other text, Muhammad was poisoned by a Jewish woman. Sahih al-Bukhari 2617 A Jewess brought a poisoned (cooked) sheep for the Prophet who ate from it. She was brought to the Prophet and was asked, "Shall we kill her?" He said, "No." Anas added, "I continued to see the effect of the poison on the palate of the mouth of Allah's Messenger." People could see the effects of the poison in Muhammad's mouth. The poison apparently disfigured his palate, making his mouth look strange. Sahih Muslim 5430 A Jewess came to Allah's Messenger with poisoned mutton and he took of what had been brought to him. (When the effects of this poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said, "I had determined to kill you". Thereupon he said, " Allah will never give you the power to do it." Muhammad tells this woman, "Allah will never allow you to kill me!" I guess Muhammad didn't know Allah very well, because the poison ultimately did kill him. In case you're wondering why this woman wanted to poison Muhammad. She tells us in ibn Sa'd: ibn Sa'd, p. 252 The Apostle of Allah sent for Zaynab Bint al-Harith [that's the woman who poisoned him] and said to her, " What induced you to do what you have done?" She replied, " You have done to my people what you have done. You have killed my father, my uncle, and my husband, so I said to myself, 'If you are a prophet, the foreleg will inform you; and others have said it: '"If you are a king, we will get rid of you."' The woman poisoned Muhammad, because he slaughtered her family. I guess Louis Farrakhan got something right. (Video clip: "But as a man soweth, the same shall he also reap. And that's why Jesus told Peter, 'Shield your sword, because those who live by the sword, will die by it.'" But there's a plot twist here, my friends. You see, Zaynab didn't act alone. She had a co-conspirator, someone working behind the scenes pulling the strings. Sahih al-Bukhari 4428 The Prophet in his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O Aishah! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my aorta is being cut from that poison." What's that Muhammad? Something about your aorta being cut? That's funny. I seem to recall someone telling us that if he were going to kill you for being a false prophet, he will do it by severing your aorta. But let's keep reading. Sunan Abu Dawud 4498 - A Jewess presented [Muhammad] at Khaibar a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Apostle of Allah ate of it and the people also ate. He then said, "Lift your hands (from eating), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr b. al-Bara b. Ma'rur al-Ansari died. So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her), "What motivated you to do the work you have done?" She said, "If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I would rid the people of you." The Apostle of Allah then ordered regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died, "I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaibar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta." "This is the time when it has cut off my aorta." Didn't someone tell us in the Qur'an that he would kill Muhammad by cutting his aorta? Notice the passage says that Muhammad's companion, Bishr, died from eating the poison. Interestingly, before Bishr died, he told Muhammad that as soon as he put the lamb in his mouth, he could taste the poison, but he ate it anyway because he saw Muhammad eating it. In ibn Sa'd we read: ibn Sa'd, pp. 252-253 The Apostle of Allah took the foreleg, a piece of which he put into his mouth. Bishr ibn al-Bara took another bone and put it into his mouth. When the Apostle of Allah ate one morsel of it, Bishr ate his and other people also ate from it. Then the Apostle of Allah said, "Hold back your hands! Because this foreleg has informed me that it is poisoned." Thereupon Bishr said, "By Him Who hath made you great! I discovered it from the morsel I took. Nothing prevented me from spitting it out but the idea that I did not like to make your food unrelishing. When you had eaten what was in your mouth, I did not like to save my life after yours, and I also thought you would not have eaten it if there was something wrong." Bishr did not rise from his seat but his color changed to that of taylsan (a green cloth) .To be continue..... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Evidences For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by malvisguy212: 8:28pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
Unbias:A very big Amen to that. Thank you for this wonderful thread, I was planing to create thread like this but when I saw this, you just reduce my stress . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Jesus Meant By "Fullfiled The Law" by malvisguy212(op): 7:56pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
Joyful77:I thought you are a muslim, from the above post, I believe you are an atheist, this thread is not for atheists. Peace |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Evidences For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by malvisguy212: 7:50pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
Unbias:also brother,this link help too http://www.rationalchristianity.net/jesus_extrabib.html Tacitus (c. A.D. 55 - c. A.D. 117) Annals, book XV: Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. CHRISTUS, from whom the NAME HAD ITS ORIGIN , SURFERED the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Evidences For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by malvisguy212: 7:43pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
gearcoin:if you decided to reject the grace of God He bestows upon Jesus christ, it's your choice,either you believe or you reject, it's your freewill. Thank you for your time. Peace |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Evidences For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by malvisguy212: 6:54pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
gearcoin:let me show you one more error. Both the Qur’an and the Bible tell us very clearly that Jesus had no human father. We must therefore ask ourselves this vital question, “Since Jesus is addressed as a ‘son’ by the angel Gabriel both in the Qur’an (Surah 19:19) and in the Bible (Luke 1:35), whose son is he?” Is it Mary’s? In Surah 19:19, the angel Gabriel said to Mary: “I am only a messenger of thy Lord, to announce to thee the GIFT of a holy son .” Here, Gabriel refers to a son who was to be given as a “GIFT” by God to Mary. Since the Qur’an makes it very clear that the son is a gift from God, it shows that Mary was only the recipient of that gift. She is not the source of that gift but God. The gift belongs to God. The gift was a son. Therefore, the son belongs to God which means the son was His or His son. In other words, God’s son. This testifies to the Gospel truth that Jesus is the Son of God. The word “son” means “a human male considered with reference to both his parents or either one of them; a male descendant.” Every male child or person has to be the son of a father who produced or generated his life.and the quran keep on calling Him "son of Mary" who was his father? If you don't know the father of Jesus, you do not know the true God. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Evidences For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by malvisguy212: 5:55pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
gearcoin:you don't know what to say anymore then you chose to reply me with abusive word, thank you for your time. Peace. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Evidences For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by malvisguy212: 5:32pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
gearcoin:why are muslims soo rude when ever they are shown the flaws in there book? You said the Jews know that Jesus is the messiah and they conspired to killed him? Go to isreal now, ask any Jews about the messiah, their answer will be " we are still waiting for his coming" why will they conspired to killed the one who they are waiting for? According to the prophecy, the messiah will deliver the kingdom to the Jews , all the kings in the bible fought war for the Jews and win it, so when Jesus claimed to fulfilled this prophecy, they are hoping he will continue the tradition of fighting war for them; Acts 1:6-7 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time RESTORED THE KINGDOM TO ISREAL ?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. In verse 8 Jesus told them to preach the gospel to the end of the earth, meaning JESUS CAME TO CALLED THE SINNERS TO REPENTENC. Mark2:17>>>17 And hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but SINNERS. That why the Jews did not accepts him as their messiah,because he did not fight war as deed the old testament kings like David,ahab,saul solomon and the rest. Now if the Jew know Jesus is the messiah according to the quran, why will they want to killed him? I repeat,muhammed is very very confused here, he did not no what he was writing. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Evidences For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by malvisguy212: 5:03pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
EreluY:Another reason for rejecting God (choosing atheism), is a willing acceptance of satanic deception. The angel Lucifer (“luminous one”) fell and became Satan (“adversary”) due to his desire to supplant God. This was Lucifer’s single-minded obsession. He not only rejected God by attempting to supplant Him, but he urged humans to do likewise. Satan urged Eve to choose against God for her own self-fulfilment: He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:1-5 ESV). LET ANALYSED THIS VERSE; The tactic is clear: firstly, question God’s statements, then, contradict God’s statements and, finally, urge rebellion in seeking equality with God. This manifests in atheists as 1. Questioning whether there is a God to make statements in the first place, so God did not say anything. 2. Contradicting the statements said to have been spoken by God. 3.Seeking equality with God by replacing God with the self. This satanic deception appeals strongly to atheists as it bolsters two of their desired delusions: 1) absolute autonomy —being free to do as they please, and 2) the lack of ultimate accountability—there are no eternal consequences for doing as they please. May God open your mind to the truth. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: 14 Evidences For The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ by malvisguy212: 4:55pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
caxim04:after 600 years, Allah send muhammed to say they crucified him not? All the Jews and christians who believe Jesus was crucified before the coming of muhammed, if they died, who gonna take the blame of their unbelief? Satan or Allah? Infacte Allah waited for soo long to send muhammed to contradicts the bible meaning All those who have been reading the bible before muhammed arrived if they died before muhammed came, they are going to hell? Isn't it strange to you that All the prophet are from isreal with the exception of muhammed? Surah 29:27: And (as for Abraham), We bestowed upon him Isaac and (Isaac’s son) Jacob, and caused prophethood and revelation to continue among his offspring. The prophethood are to come from the lineage of Isaac and Jacob. Muhammed is from the lineage of ishmael and ishmael had no covenant with the true God.with proved from this surah, muhammed is a false prophet. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Has ALLAH Got To Do With The MOON? by malvisguy212: 4:30pm On Apr 05, 2015 |
May God open there eyes. |
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