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[quote author=Empiree post=32009580][/quote]you quote this quranic verse to proved your point that Jesus is just a ordinary man;
Christ the son of Mary was no more
than a messenger; many were the
messengers that PASSED AWAY before
him....." (5:75, Yusif Ali)
If Jesus is an ordinary Man, then He died, if Jesus did not die, then explained to me How an ordinary man who is a prophet ,Allah would not allow the Jews to killed him, but his favourite prophet(muhammed) died in the hand of a Jewish woman?

You said, muslims already give Jesus the respect by adding "peace be upon him" on his name. Why will I invoke the peace of God on someone who is nearer to God? between heaven and earth,where is more peaceful? Comperd with what Jesus said here;

John 14:27
27 Peace I leave with you, MY PEACE I
give to you; NOT as the world gives do I
give to you. Let not your heart be
troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Jesus should be the one intercede on our behalf for peace.

You quote this verse;
Qur'an 3:45
"(And Mentioned) when Angels said; "Oh
Mary, Allah give you good news of a word
from Him. whose name will be messaiah,
Jesus, the son of Mary HELD HONOR IN
THIS WORLD AND LIFEAFTER and among
those who are brought near (to Allah)"

Let me ask you this question.
What is the purpose of the virgin birth? Why did Jesus have to be born of a virgin? Quranic verse pleasure. If you open your mind and answer this question, you will find out that the writer of the quran don't want you to know something OR he is very very confused

You ask this question;
Show me evidence
that Jesus said he is more than a
prophet, servant and messanger of
God?.

John 17:3
And now, Father, glorify me in your
presence with the GLORY I HAD with YOU
before the world began.

Can a prophet shere the same glory with God?Jesus has two Nature, God and fully human.Our Lord prayed as a man, and as the Mediator of his people; yet he spoke with majesty and authority, as one with and equal to the Father.

An2elect2:
I am back. Can we make this a conversation. Its easier that way i think. Am going to start by quoting a known scripture that explicitly talks about salvation. If this does not do then we will keep kicking.

Here it is:

For we are saved by grace through faith and
that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God

Not of works lest any man should boast
Ephesians2:8,9.

Now i demand two answers from you.
1)Is this passage talking about the salvation you were talking about(that can be lost)?
2) Why did it say salvation is by grace through faith?
I await your reply. This is going to be interesting and i pray fruitful too.

don't you think it will derailed this thread?

Bible define salvation as the work of God through christ Jesus.

We are saved by grace(unmerited favour from God)through faith(faith in Jesus christ) and is a gift from God, not of work less any man should boast(our righteous work cannot save us) in titus 3:5 it say;

Titus 3:5
he saved us, not because of the
righteous things we had done, but
because of his mercy. He washed away
our sins, giving us a new birth and new
life through the Holy Spirit.
And isaiah say our righteousness is as filty as rags
(Isaiah 64:6) " But we are all as an
unclean thing, and all our
righteousnesses are as filthy rags;
and we all do fade as a leaf; and our
iniquities, like the wind, have taken us
away."
(Romans 3:10) "As it is written, There is
none righteous, no, not one:"

God saved us not because we are righteous,but because He loves us;
2 Timothy 1:9 "Who hath saved us,
and called us with an holy calling, not
ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,"

Kay17:
BUT God ordered it. does the unchangeable God have a change of heart?!

after the fall of man,God cursed man and the serpent;

Genesis 3:14-19
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent,
“Because you have done this,
“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15
And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[ a] and hers;
he will crush[b] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,
“I will make your pains in childbearing
very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to
children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you
listened to your wife and ate fruit from
the tree about which I commanded you,
‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food
from it
all the days of your life.
18
It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19
By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

But God with his infinite mercy made a covenant of peace with his people in Exedus34:25>>>>I will make a covenant of PEACE with them and eliminate harmful beasts from the land so that they may live securely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods.

And through out the bible God keep on reminding his children of the covenant of peace:

Numbers 25:12
Therefore tell him I am making my
covenant of PEACE with him.

Isaiah 54:10
Though the mountains be shaken and
the hills be removed, yet my unfailing
love for you will not be shaken nor my
covenant of PEACE be removed,” says
the Lord, who has compassion on you.

Ezekiel 34:25
“‘I will make a covenant of PEACE with
them and rid the land of savage beasts
so that they may live in the wilderness
and sleep in the forests in safety.

Ezekiel 37:26
I will make a covenant of PEACE with
them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I
will establish them and increase their
numbers, and I will put my sanctuary
among them forever.

KAY17.you see through out the old testament God keep on saying covenant of peace but in the New testament,we did not hered about this covenant,why? Because Jesus is the prince of PEACE,this peace were giving to thoes who want it , Jesus took away the sin of the world.
john1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming
toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of
God, who takes away the sin of the
world!

We the christians are with the new covenant of peace with God through his son Jesus christ.the old covenant law was to revealed the sinful nature of man and to help us know what is goog and evil'paul say without the law I wouldn't have known what is good or bad. and the new covenant was to live with peace with God this peace will be given to those who want it.

davien:
No methods were ever discussed for discerning a "true doctrine"....did you fail to ask that question?

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hey bro . https://www.nairaland.com/1999485/all-religions-lead-god-one

The Holy Spirit is a person in the same sense that God the Father is a person, and the Lord Jesus Christ is a person.

The holy spirit acts as a person;
John14:26
26 “But the Helper, the Holy Spirit,
whom the Father will send in My name,
He will TEACH YOU all things, and bring
to your remembrance all that I said to
you.

The holy spirit guide into all truth,he speak and show;
John 16:13
13 “But when He, the Spirit of truth,
comes, He will guide you into all the
truth; for He will not speak on His own
initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

He Has The Attributes of A Person

"What constitutes the essentials of
personality? Usually three things - a
person must possess INTERLINGENC,
EMOTION, AND WILL. A thing lacks
these, but the Holy Spirit is not a
THING because He has intelligence,
emotions and will".

EMOTION;
Ephesians 4:30
30 Do not GRIEVE the Holy Spirit of God,
by whom you were sealed for the day
of redemption.
And the spirit loves christians>>>Romans 15:30
30 Now I urge you, BRETHREN, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the LOVE OF THE SPIRIT , to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me,

INTERLINGENCE;
1 Corinthians 2:10–11
10 1aFor to us God revealed them
through the Spirit; for the SPIRIT
SEARCHES all things, even the DEPTHS OF GOD.
11 For who among men knows the
thoughts of a man EXCEPT the spirit of
the man which is in him? Even so the
thoughts of God no one knows EXCEPT THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

WILL;
The spirit can give gift to the believers as He will.
1 Corinthians 12:11
11 But one and the same Spirit works all
these things, distributing to each one
individually just as He WILLS.

When Jesus condemned the blasphemy against the holy spirit, Jesus was treating Him(the holy spirit) as a PERSON .

Emusan. God bless you for this wonderful thread.

plainbibletruth:
I’m amazed!
I’m amazed because I believe you should be smarter.
The very first issue I presented is the uniqueness of Jesus from the Quran. Is this a fact or not? The FACTS of the virgin pregnancy and birth, the miracles and the ascension of Jesus Christ IN ONE PERSON.

Is there anybody who combines all the three attributes I listed in one person? You did not address this.

I believe I was plain on what I presented; so I don’t know the “wayo” you’re talking about.

In addition I didn’t say Jesus Christ was not a prophet or a messenger. Not at all! I only added that he was more than those. He combined those offices and much more. So your quotes did not really disprove anything.

You haven’t proved my challenge wrong. Simply this: show any other person who has or combines ALL these three attributes put together in one person.

It is not about cooking up my own opinion. I’m saying that evidence from your holy book, the Quran, shows clearly the uniqueness of Jesus Christ. The issue then is why has this fact escaped Muslims like yourself? Strange?

When the evidence from the Quran about Jesus is accepted by any Muslim it becomes easy to then go to the more comprehensive source of information about him – the Bible – to get details on him that show him for who he truly is.

So on your question; the Gospels in the following portions give answer:
As Lord – John 8:58, 11:25, 13:13-14. Luke 6:5, 22:67-70, 23:3. Additionally the book of Revelation 1:8.
As Saviour – John 10:11, 15.
These are clearly Jesus’ own words and claims.

arguing with him is a waste of time, Jesus was the only prophet in the quran who is the word and spirit of God, non other prophet has ever been adress like that before.

Sanchez01 and emasun God bless you both for the wonderful answer.

Op you ask this same question to the other thread which I reply you, I will reply to your number 5 question.

5.Jesus did not speak his own word but
the word which the father gave Him;
John8:38 >>>> I SPEAK THAT WHICH I HAVE SEEN WITH MY FATHER: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
And in john 8:40 it say>>>>But now ye
seek to kill me, a man that hath TOLD YOU THE TRUTH, which I have HEARD OF GOD: this did not Abraham.

His message was not primarily about
Himself, but rather the good news that
the Father ordained to be announced on earth.
>>>> John 14:24 He that loveth me not
keepeth not my sayings: and the WORD which ye hear is NOT MINE, but the FATHER'S which sent me.

So Jesus did not write any gospel,the
quran claimed Allah gave Jesus a book,
we the christians are the one's supposed to ask, WHERE IS THE BOOK?

Trustworthiness:
The guy is a confused human being. Instead of him to go and learn about the methodology of interpretation of the Quran and Islamic jurisprudence, he is busy trying to justify his deluded view that is overshadowed by hatred for Islam. Reading from sources of like mind such as himself.

I will advice him to go and study his bible first.

So, I have the following questions for the op to answer:

1. What is the or explain the concept of God in Christianity?
2. Who is Jesus? God, Son of God, Son of Man?
3. If the word Christian derived from christ, which means follower christ. Then what are going to call Jesus christ himself?
4. Following the question 3 above, what is the religion of christ.
5. Why do we have gospel ACCORDING TO Mark, Matthew, Luke, John etc. Why not gospel BY JESUS? Not even gospel BY Mark, Matthew, Luke, John etc?

Please, make reference to Jesus statements from the Bible to prove your point.

since when muslims reject sahih bukhari? Any hadith that does not favour Islam ,muslims reject it.

1.God is ONE with 3 personalities
2.Jesus was God and at the same time was fully human ,the spirit of God was upon him and he was the word of God, both the quran and bible proved this.In Surah 19:19, the angel Gabriel said to Mary: “I am only a messenger of thy Lord, to announce to thee the GIFT of a holy son .” Here, Gabriel refers to a son who was to be given as a “GIFT” by God to Mary. Since the Qur’an makes it very clear that the son is a gift from God, it shows that Mary was only the recipient of that gift. She is not the source of that gift but God. The gift belongs to God. The gift was a son. Therefore, the son belongs to God which means the son was His or His son. In other words, God’s son. This testifies to the Gospel truth that Jesus is the Son of God.
3.Jesus did not came to preach religion, he came to reconciled us back to Himself,it was the people,when they saw the character of the disciples is no different from jesus,then they called the disciples" CHRISTIANS"
4.Jesus is God,he belong to NO religion.He does not recognised any.
5.Jesus did not speak his own word but the word which the father gave Him;
John8:38 >>>> I SPEAK that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father
And in john 8:40 it say>>>>But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have HEARD OF GOD: this did not Abraham.

His message was not primarily about Himself, but rather the good news that the Father ordained to be announced on earth.
>>>> John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not
my sayings: and the WORD which ye hear
is NOT MINE, but the FATHER'S which sent
me.

So Jesus did not write any gospel,the quran claimed Allah gave Jesus a book, we,the christians are the one's supposed to ask, WHERE IS THE BOOK?

Empiree:
Are you a christian?
I would agree if christians said God created heavens and earth in "6Days" to mean not literal. Qur'an also makes reference to this. However, Quran makes it clear that a day in the sight of God can be a thousand yrs, a day in the sight of God can be 50 thousand yrs etc.

The arabic Quran doesnt use our biological day. It uses "yaum". Yaum in the context of creation of heavens and earth means "day". That's, a very long period of time. Not our biological day. There are three(3) examples given in the Quran. Let me give you one.

The story of young men in the Cave (Chapter 18 of Quran). Qur'an says that the young men with their dog slept for 300 or 309 yrs. What happened was the men fled the town where they were persecuted for their monotheistic faith and sought refuge in a cave. There they fell asleep with their dog for 300-309 yrs.

Obviously, they were travellers but got tired and slept. When they woke up, they started questioning themselves "how many days did we sleep?". They began to guess among themselves. Some said perhaps a day or part of a day. Then Quran tells us that the actual number of days they slept is only known to God....but it says they slept for 300yrs.

Definitely, that long period of time is not biological for two(2) reasons:

1 - When they woke up, generations have passed. They saw things have changed. At the time they fled the town, people at that time were disbelievers who persecuted them. But by the time they woke up they found believing people(majority).

2 - Their body remained the same. The same size, same age including their dog.

That's why after they woke up, they felt hungry and sent one of them to buy good food but warned to be careful that authority might punish them if they are found using old money.....that it might changed i:e people might be using different money. But the people are faithful.

Here is another example from Hadith of the prophet(pbuh)

He said Dajjal (anti-christ) will rule the world for three (3) "days". He went further to say 1 day like year, 1 day like a month and 1 day like a week. This is indication that "days" mentioned in the creation of heavens and earth is not biological. So those verses should not be taken as 6 days of our time unless bible scholars say otherwise.

Note: I am not defending Bible. Just input my thought.

The crazy thing i disagree with in the Bible is for saying God "rested". That's blasphemy. God does not rest. Quran in chapter 2:255 says that God does not sleep, nor slumber. Nor does he tire or rest. So that statement in the bible that God rested is word of disbelieve.

And God blessed the seventh day,
and sanctified it: because that in it he
had rested from all his work which
God created and made. (Genesis 2:3)

The Hebrew word translated rest is shabath ,the word shabath does not refer to rest,it was the king James rendering of the word rest. So, what Genesis 2:3 is saying is that God
stopped creating after the sixth day - not that God needed to take a break. Infacte,In the New Testament book of Hebrews, the author tells us to labor to enter into God's seventh day of rest (which is continuing).

For He has thus said somewhere
concerning the seventh day, "And
God rested on the seventh day from
all His works"... Let us therefore be
diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone
fall through following the same
example of disobedience. (Hebrews
4:4-11)

These verses indicate that we are
currently in God's seventh day of "rest."
However, according to the Bible, God has been very busy during this "rest" -
forming the nation of Israel, sending the
Messiah, and building His Church.
During this time, God has ceased His
creative work. At the end of the seventh
day, Christ will return to judge the
earth. At that time God will create again.

Century before muhammed contradicts the word of God, the bible has aready made this statement,a thousand year is like a day;

2peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear
friends: With the Lord a day is like a
thousand years, and a thousand years
are like a day.

Psalms 90:4
A thousand years in your sight are like a
day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.

Muhammed got this idea from the bible

truthman2012:
Real confusions in the quran. See how the quran confirms the bible:

The Scriptures Are and Were Authentic Even At Muhammad's Time

How come they come unto the (i.e Muhammad) for judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43). Even at Muhammad's time till today the Torah was valid for judgment, but only the people turned away from it according to Allah.

Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that
which Allah hath revealed: such are evil-doers (Quran 5:47). The Gospel was also valid for judgment at Muhammad's time and till date. Not following the Gospel makes people evil-doers.

Say: "O People of the Book! (i.e the Jews and the Christians) Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye standfast by the Law, the Gospel and all the revelations that has come to you from your Lord (Quran 5:71). How could Allah say Jew and Christian should stand fast by the Law and Gospel if they have been corrupted?

But because allah's goal is to create confusion to mankind, he still deny his own words by saying the Christians' Scripture is corrupt after he has approved it. The Devil is a liar.

God say my word will never change from everlasting to everlasting, but in the quran we see Allah doing the opposites,the devil is a Liar.

RoyPCain:
@malvisguy212; one thing for sure is that God you are claiming is your father is not your mother's husband. no one of you, including anyone you call child of God along with yourself was God ever in relationship with his mother that can possibly be termed husband and wife. common sense; use it and i know its not that common when one is deluded with fairytale idea of self. your spirituality in relationship is obedient created servant if your way is that of Abraham. if not you are still a created servant, but just not obedient.
a son that is punishes like a slave will be punish if they commit the same offense, that is not a true son. and that is your case. and the case of Jesus is the same as that of Abraham and the rest of messengers and prophets. from my islamic respect to each; AS to each of them.

as your op question which you repeated, those who truly followed Moses in his time, were not jews by religion, but followed Moses in the religion of Abraham. and Abraham was not a jew because even the grandchild of Abraham, Jacob and or all the 12 sons of Jacob were not jews. so how can the religion or ethnicity of Abraham be 'jew' and how can Jacob and the believing sons of Jacob have a different religion but what Abraham had? i want you think about it now because glossing over matter because of your religious emotion will not work here.

the same process applied to those true followers of Jesus in the time of Jesus. this is why Jesus was even referring to the nearer person laws and process, not forgetting the prophets which will definitely included Abraham. you people start by identifying God as God of Abraham before you mention other two prophets and stop as if God was not God of Noah, even Adam or God of David whose poetry/songs that use to protect yourself and never in your entire life use the gospel according to any of the 4 writers to protect yourself.

if therefore these believers were not jews or christians, but later people call them so, you will realixe that these new titles were after the fact. on the day of Judgment or any of those were to be alive now and you call them jews or christians, when they realize you are talking about them, they will not be shy to correct you that this is a wrong title for them.

you at least know that christians were title used by the pagans to describe christ-like religion. was the religion christ-like or the true 'way'? i submit therefore islam is called the 'true way' as well to mean all true way practiced at times past before Muhammad [SA] were versions based on rulings, etc and pattern, but same as the core Message; God is One and no partner with Him and Only He is truly worshiped.

so when the jews formulate judaism on the principles of their rabbis, away from what Moses told them, christians formulate christianity on the principles of their sages and monks, specifically apostle paul, away from what Jesus left of Moses, you can see with clear but not deficient mind that 'jews and christians' from the time they deviated are not really and truly following who they say they are following. it is the deviance of 'jews' that brought about all the prophets and definitely Jesus to them so that they could be guided back to guidance 'the true way'. but of course they refused to follow him. you are in the same boat with the 'jews' in this manner becaue you rejected Jesus and the Good New Personality Jesus heralded his [SA] coming.

is this why muslims don't encounter God? So God is not your father? When Jesus teach his disciples how to pray, He say "OUR FATHER",
The first words of this model prayer tell us a great deal about relationships.
First, notice that Jesus starts out with the word our, not the word my. The reason is that God is not only the father of the person praying, but of others also. In this context, the our includes the “horizontal” relationship with other people who are children of God. Today, since we can “Get right with God through Jesus,” the word our includes all Christians.


A good example of personal relationship is how God spoke lip-to-ear and walked the Earth with His prophets.
He went to visit Abraham and set down
for lunch with him. He even told Abraham, face to face, the business He
was about to accomplish.
It is written that Enoch walked with God

RoyPCain:
so if we were to transport ourselves [make a theater stage of events and we are the audience; visualize, people.] to the time the time of Jesus [AS], which is correct, the bible narratives that clearly neither Jesus was speaking nor his disciples but other persons, since at the event of baptism, how many people were there but John and Jesus? if Jesus didn't report this, obviously he didn't and John didn't report it, obviously he didn't, who did but somebody going back while was not there, but fabricated a tantalizing story?

how is the way of John be what Jesus will submit to, considering what the christians have said of Jesus? if John purified with baptism, Jesus must have been purified when he got baptized. or is there any possibility to explain this away without Jesus being not purified until baptism? can son of man [John son of Zacharias] make pure son of God, except that you people falsely call Jesus son of God?

lets look at the sentence structure that started the thread by the op, claiming that God called Jesus His son. if you think it through without religious bias because you think your forefathers can be wrong you will see that God was not the Speaker, but somebody else wishing that Jesus is more than the generic foolish title the jews give themselves [children of God]. well, your forefathers had no knowledge which was why they were wrong then. you are wrong now because of the same arrogance they had [you are not utilizing the knowledge you are getting here].


no wonder Jesus disclaimed that he was just the same as the children of Israel say of themselves. Jesus disclaimed to help you because he knew by revelation that you will have a wrong belief of him and his mission in relation to God, the single message of God to prophets before and the one he gave the good news of his coming after him.

your attitude to guidance is similar to that of those people who hate the true faith; be it in the time of Noah, etc, etc, Moses as Pharaoh did, others, including Goliath. you may not be different from those who rejected Jesus [AS] in his time, except that you don't know it. if you know it, this is worse because you will be a hypocrite.


if you think the rules that will apply in paradise is what applies now on earth, think again. you are thinking like a baby in the womb thinking that his umbilical cord will be what his nutrient will come to him when he is alive out of momma's womb. the rules change and they are not the same in paradise as on earth.

calling myself a child of God is a foolishness? Allah condemned the faith of christians and the Jews in the quranic verse the op qoute but still ask the muslims to confirmed there book for guidance, which kind of confusion is this?

dalaman:
I just told you that they were only repeating a tradition, the same way muslims claim that an angel recited the Koran to Mohammed. Jesus referenced the Exodus, but most historians say that the exodus is non historical. Hebrew rabbi's are the ones that pointed it out that Moses did not write those books. Can you read Hebrew? Have you ever studied the bible in it's original language?

the exedus is historical read here http://www.bibleandscience.com/archaeology/exodus.htm

frank317:
Who said u insulted Muslims...u seem foot at seeing things that are not there.

When u point out wrong teachings of the Quran u and already condemning Islam.

I condemned there teaching because the quran contradicts the bible, there is no place in the bible muslims were condemned or even mention , but in the quran, the quran encourage muslims to killed the Jews and christians.even in reality if christians ask some serious question about muhammed, he got killed but if muslims question the belief of christians, nobody get hurt.

frank317:
He is now ur friend after you have finished threatening him with fire.

Lol... Ur God regretted drowning people with water and his slowpoke mind thought using fire is more benign

my post do not say repent or enter hell.

frank317:
Rubbish...I know quite a lot Muslims whose religion shapes their morality for the better... Yet you still find reasons to condemn them.

We all have conscience... Weather Christian Muslims or Atheists...when we go against laid down rules we feel guilty. We also all have personal boundaries and guidelines. You talk as of atheists are the murderers, corrupts politicians, cheating spouse and armed robbers around you.

You uphold religion as an institution that instils morality but you fail to see how immoral our dear religions Nigerians are.

Well, you obviously will never learn... You point fingers at the Muslims justbas the point fingers at you. But what ya all fail to know is that you all are the main problems Nigeria have. We stand outside the box(religion) and see more clearly that you will ever see.

I want you to go through all my coment since when I've joined nairaland and show me where I condemned muslims,I present my argument base on the teaching of the quran and the life of muhammed. I have never insults let alone condemned a muslim here.

johnydon22:
and we just told you that jewish tradition (even the talmud tho this one is not added to the bible) adopted by christians attributed it to moses but critical literary analysis clearly shows moses wasn't the writer.. it seems you didnt read the bible torah introduction i uploaded for you.. i will upload it agai, try and read it this time..

also read http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

Josephus (37CE – c. 100CE): "For we have
not an innumerable multitude of books
among us, disagreeing from and
contradicting one another [as the Greeks
have], but only twenty-two books, which
contain all the records of all the past
times; which are justly believed to be
divine; and of them FIVE BELONGS TO MOSES,
which contain his laws and the traditions
of the origin of mankind till his death…
the prophets, who were after Moses,
wrote down what was done in their times
in thirteen books. The remaining four
books contain hymns to God, and
precepts for the conduct of human life."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Hebrew_Bible_canon

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahaha abi.. no be small thing..really pathetic..

am sure you know the muslims say you are going to hell cus you dont believe in God (allah) so see you in hell bro

Devil ko? another myth...

ok

johnydon22:
Jesus quote the pentateuch which means moses must have written them...lmao..Finding facts is really one of your short comings right?

Mark 12:24 "...haven't you ever
READ about this in the WRITTENS OF
MOSES, in the story of the burning
bush..."

What proof do you need again apart from this? That Moses would resurrect and say he wrote it?
According to this verse ,what did Moses wrote if not the pentateuch?how did the people know Moses wrote a book? Offcorse they read it from the written of Moses.

dalaman:
Repeating a tradition doesn't make it true. The tradition is that Moses wrote those books but the reality points to a very different thing. No where does it say that Moses wrote the Pentateuch. Moses wrote laws and instructions is what was written. Was it Moses that wrote the creation stories in the bible for example? How do you know that? Hope you know that some passages in the Pentateuch were written in the proto Hebrew which is a form of Canaanite language. No scholar that studies the bible in its original language will attempt to say that Moses wrote the Pentateuch. Christians bible scholars are the ones that first pointed that out. What do you know about the Hebrew language or writing styles?

what proof do you need that Moses wrote the pentateuch? Jesus quoted from the same WRITTEN infacte not only did Jesus quote Moses, Paul quote Moses ;

Acts 26:22 "...I teach nothing except
what the prophets and Moses said
would happen..."
Romans 10:5 "For Moses wrote..."

How would Paul could've known what Moses wrote without reading the torah?Roman 10:5 say "MOSES WROTE" this indicate Moses wrote book,what book if is not the pentateuch?

Kay17:
The question is, did Moses write the book of Deuteronomy? Not why and how he died.

I wish this question would've been directed to your atheists friends, the op ask if Moses wrote deutoronumy which I reply, but your atheists friends bring the issue of "who wrote the pentateuch?"

My first post answer the op questionn ,Moses wrote deutoronumy but chapter 34 was not written by Moses.

sinkhole:
We arw talking about Moses writing a whole history and you are here quoting how God instructs Moses to write laws/constitution or "instructions" that will guide the conduct of the Istrealites!

Johnnydon and dalaman.

Jesus himself quoted from the pentateuch;

Matthew 22:24 "Moses said, 'If a
man dies without children...'"
Mark 7:10 "For instance, Moses
gave you this law from God..."
Mark 12:24 "...haven't you ever
read about this in the WRITTENS of
Moses, in the story of the burning
bush..."
Luke 24:44 "...I told you that
everything WRITTEN about me by
Moses and the prophets and in the
Psalms must all come true."
John 1:17 "For the law was given
through Moses..."
John 5:46 "But if you had believed
Moses, you would have believed me
because HE WROTE about me. And
since you don't believe what he
wrote, how will you believe what I
say?"

Clearly written here, Moses wrote the pentateuch but the bible never indicate he wrote all, skeptics argument was that Moses wrote the pentateuch when in the first place bible never indicate he did.

johnydon22:
excuss me sir! So you actually still think moses wrote the pentateuchs? how old did you say you were again

Exodus 17:14 "Then the Lord
instructed Moses, 'Write this down
as a permanent record...'"
Exodus 24:4 "Then Moses carefully
wrote down all the Lord's
instructions."
Exodus 34:27 "And the Lord said to
Moses, 'Write down all these
instructions, for they represents the
terms of my covenant with you and
with Israel.'"
Leviticus 1:1 "The Lord called to
Moses from the Tabernacle and said
to him, 'Give the following
instructions to the Israelites...'"
Leviticus 6:8 "Then the Lord said to
Moses, 'Give Aaron and his sons the
following instructions...'"
Deuteronomy 31:9 "So Moses wrote
down this law and gave it to the
priests."
Deuteronomy 31:24-26 "When
Moses had finished writing down
this entire body of law in a book...

Sammy.
All what you wrote are misunderstanding of the word of God and translations,if you observe the contradiction you past,they were mixed with different translations of the bible.during the Time the king James version was translated the earlier Alexandrian manuscript has not been discovered.The reason the King James version differ from the NASV and the NIV in a number of readings is because it is translated from a different text-type than they are.
A. The King James Version was
translated from Erasmus' printed
Greek New Testament which made
use of only five Greek manuscripts
the oldest of which dated to the
1,100 A.D. These manuscripts were
examples of the Byzantine text-
type.
B. The NASV and the NIV make use of
the United Bible Societies 4th
Edition 1968 of the New Testament.
This edition of the Greek New
Testament relies more heavily on
the Alexandrian text-type while
making use of all 5,664 Greek
manuscripts.