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shahydbinaliyu:
Laughing.... Jesus will come back to earth during the end time of the world , jesus will kill dajaal.. The one eyed monster. And after that, jesus will die and buried beside prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ..

Does that answer your dumb claims?

this verse doesent make sense, why will the Jews killed the Messiah?

Surah 4:157: And their saying:
Surely we have KILLED THE MESSIAH,
Isa son of Marium, the messenger
of Allah; and they did not kill him
nor did they crucify him, but it
appeared to them so (like Isa) and
most surely those who differ therein
are only in a doubt about it; they
have no knowledge respecting it, but
only follow a conjecture, and they
killed him not for sure. (Shakir)

If you read this account in its entirety
from Surah 4:153 to Surah 4:162, you
will understand who they are that are
saying, “Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the
messenger of Allah.” According to the
Qur’an, it is the Jews saying this. Think!
Would the hostile Jews call Jesus the
“Messiah” when they have rejected him
as the Messiah? It must be remembered
that the Jewish religious leaders even
objected when Pilate wrote a title saying, “King of the Jews.” (John 19:19-22). It is, therefore, illogical for the Jews to boastfully say that “we have killed the Messiah” when they did not accept Jesus as the Messiah in the first place.

shahydbinaliyu:
Laughing... See this guy sha.. You refused to go read the truth about your fake ass religion and you want me to read those thread..

I will read the thread, I will be back to give u answer on each thread..

alright.

shahydbinaliyu:
It's in Bible that Jesus wasn't crucified.

Check shahydcharming.

The following Qur’anic verse records
Jesus as saying:
Surah 19:33:
Peace on me the day I was born, and the
day I die, and the day I shall be raised
alive! (Pickthall)

Muslims claimed this verse was not talking about the death of Jesus, they shift the chronological sequence of event, they disorder it by saying Jesus will come and die, but the problems lies few verse after, we see john the baptist record the same word of Jesus ,We
can read an almost identical passage
about John the Baptist in Surah 19:15.
Note the similarity in the wordings:

" Surah 19:15: And peace on him on the
day he was born, and on the day he dies,
and on the day he is raised to life.
(Shakir)"

However, in the case of John the Baptist,
Muslims scholars have no trouble recognizing the fact that this verse is speaking about his immediate death. And they also have no problem in understanding that it is only after his death that he will be raised to life in Paradise on the Day of Resurrection. If Jesus did not die then going by this verse that talk about the death of john the baptisst, john too did not die, you cannot twist the verse that say Jesus died in the quran and live the one that say john died, there chronological sequence of event are identical.

https://www.nairaland.com/2008614/evidences-death-jesus-quran-prove

shahydbinaliyu:
That's the problem you Christians have. Even if I post it here.. You won't believe. Go to that blogging site yourself.. Find the truth there.. Its your choice if you believe or not. By the way.. That blogging site is mine.. Go there ..read lots of articles... Only if you can handle the truth

so you are one of the people spreading lies about Christianity,you cannot even produce a single verse and you are asking me to visit a foolish blog, I invite you to this threads;

Allah lied
https://www.nairaland.com/1970166/lying-deity
Terrorism in Islam
https://www.nairaland.com/2092548/root-caused-islamic-terrorism
Allah failed prophecy
https://www.nairaland.com/2074132/allahs-failed-prophecy-quran
Allah replace revelation with another
https://www.nairaland.com/2121425/allahs-invalidate-own-revelation

There are many thread,click my profile and find out.

shahydbinaliyu:
Visit that blogging site

you cannot copy a single verse and paste it here but you can copy lies from the blog and past it here.

shahydbinaliyu:
It's in Bible that Jesus wasn't crucified.

Check shahydcharming.

can you quote the verses?

Misogynist2014:
Why build a boat when you can just move away from the area? Explain gen 7:23 7:21 7:24 7:19 7:20 7:11

God don't want the evil to spread. If God had told Noah to just migrate away from the flood area, the people would not have been warned of the impending judgment. Ultimately, they were without excuse in their rebellion against God, since the impending judgment was proclaimed to them for 100 years before it happened. Likewise, God will send two preachers for 1260 days prior to the ultimate judgment of God. Those who get on God's ark (Jesus Christ) will be saved from the judgment and pass from death to eternal life.

there are some good biblical reasons why He chose not to do so. Why did God make the Israelites march around Jericho for seven days prior to the wall falling down? Why did God make the Israelite look upon the bronze serpent to be healed of snake bite in the wilderness? Why did Jesus make the blind man go to the Pool of Siloam to heal his blindness? Were any of these things actually required for God to do His work? No! God could have just wiped out all the evil people in the
world, as He did later to the all the
Egyptians' first-born. Maybe God had
good reasons for Noah to build the ark?
God has a purpose for each person of
faith to join Him in preaching His message. God's plan will be accomplished regardless of our
participation in it. However, God gives
obedient humans the privilege of
participating in God's plans. Likewise,
God had a plan for Noah, part of which
was for him and his sons to demonstrate their commitment and perseverance to the Lord.

One will notice in the judgments that
God renders, He almost always gives a
warning to those who are being judged.
For example, God sent angels to Sodom
before it was to be destroyed, sent
Jonah to Nineveh to warn them of the
judgment to come, and will send two
prophets to warn the people of the earth of the final judgment. The building of the ark was a great testimony of the coming judgment, since it was preached for 100 years during the building of the ark. The New Testament states this idea directly, since it says that Noah was a "preacher of righteousness":

For if God did not spare angels when
they sinned, but cast them into hell
and committed them to pits of
darkness, reserved for judgment; and
did not spare the ancient world, but
preserved Noah, a preacher of
righteousness, with seven others,
when He brought a flood upon the
world of the ungodly; ( 2 Peter 2:4-5)

wiegraf:
Says who?

the op are written that contradicts the teaching of Christianity, you copy and paste the articles, I am very sure you know the answer to the question you ask.

Misogynist2014:
It is impossible the flood was local, absolutely impossible!

in the text, the whole earth is referring to local geography area,where there are population of people.take for example this verses;

Now the earth was corrupt in the sight
of God, and the earth was filled with
violence. ( Genesis 6:11)
And God looked on the earth, and
behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had
corrupted their way upon the earth.
( Genesis 6:12)

When bible say the earth is corrupted we know that God is reffering to the people and it only the geography area where humans are populated.

There is an Hebrew word used for the entire earth. The word is tebel (Strong's H8398), which is found 37 times in the Old Testament. Curiously, this word is never used to describe the flood.

wiegraf:
You have precious little faith

I am a christian ,what you got up there in the op was done by the enemies of the church.

doubleDx:
Clutching at straws now huh? Smh!

when they present their false allegation against God and they are given a wonderful answer (like the answer you present to them) there only reply was to say the bible is unreliable.the funny things is that, they are the one's quoting from the same bible in the first place, the op is an example.

shahydbinaliyu:


Soon after that Allah is Most Great, Wise has been changing facial features identical to the face of Judas to Jesus, Jesus, God raised him at once into the sky.

so Allah waited for 600 years before sending muhammed to say "they crucified him not? " what about thoes thinking Jesus was killed if they died before the coming of muhammed , who gonna take the blame? Allah or satan?

Dp

Empiree:
14. QUR’AN IS A BOOK FROM ALLAH
These evidences are sufficient to conclude that the Qur’an was not copied from the Bible, but that the Qur’an is the Furqaan - ‘the Criteria’ to judge right from wrong and it should be used to decipher which portion of the Bible may be considered as the Word of God. The Qur’an itself testifies in Surah Sajda chapter 32 verse 1 to 3 Alif Laam Meem. (This is) the revelation of the Book in which there is no doubt – from the Lord of the Worlds. Or do they say, ‘He has forged it’? Nay, it is the Truth from thy Lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance." [Al-Qur’an 32:1-3]

Question: It is mentioned in the Qur’an that Mary was the sister of Aaron (pbuh). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who wrote the Qur’an did not know the difference between Miriam the sister of Aaron (pbuh) and Mary the Mother of Jesus (pbuh), the time span between both of them was about a thousand years.

Answer
1. IN THE SEMITIC LANGUAGES SISTER ALSO MEANS DESCENDANT
The Qur’an mentions in Surah Maryam, Chapter 19 verses 27-28
"At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms).
They said: ‘O Mary! Truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!
O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman
unchaste!’"[Al-Qur’an 19:27-28]

Christian missionaries say that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not know the difference between Mary the mother of Jesus (pbuh) and Miriam the sister of Aaron (pbuh). The time span between both was more than a thousand years. In the Arabic construction of the sentence, sister is also considered as a descendant. Thus, when the people said to Mary, Ukhta Haroon i.e. ‘sister of Aaron’ it actually means descendant of Aaron (pbuh)

To be continued....

you are a lier and a father for it, there is NO where in the scripture the people refers there saint's as "sister"or "daughter" they were only called "SON'S" and DAUGHTER"

"Carrying the child, (Jesus), she (Mary)
came to her people, who said to her:
"Mary, this is indeed a strange thing!
Sister of Aaron, your father was never a
LovePeddler-monger, nor was your mother a
harlot."" [The Koran, Dawood's
translation, pages 215, 216].

This verse states that after Mary gave
birth to Christ, her townsfolk reproached her. They thought she was not married, and assumed that she committed sexual sin because she gave birth. In their reproach, they called her, "Sister of Aaron".


This mistake was discerned by the Arabic Christians of Najran. There is a record of them exposing Muhammad's mistake about Mary.

In Sahih Muslim, the Hadith related by
Mughirah ibn Shu'bah, #5326, says:
"When I came to Najran, they (the
Christians of Najran) asked me: You read
"Sister of Harun", (i.e. Mary), in the
Qur'an, whereas Moses was born well
before Jesus. When I came back to
Allah's Messenger I asked him about
that, and he said: "The (people of the old
age) used to give names (to their
persons) after the names of Apostle and
pious persons who had gone before
them."" [Sahih Muslim, translated by
Abdul Siddiqi].

Here is the issue: was Muhammad
confused about Mary's identify, or was
Mary really identified with and
metaphorically called "sister of Aaron"?
Was Muhammad telling the truth, or did
he cover a mistake with a lie? If
Muhammad did lie then in what does
that make him? And, if the Quran does
contain an error then should it be
considered the literal word of God or just
the synthesis of Muhammad's
imagination and various religious stories?
I will address this later.
#1 The first important clue to note here,
and one that is easily overlooked, is
found in the text itself. The Arabic
Christians of Najran objected to Mary
being called "sister of Aaron". This speaks
volumes, don't miss this fundamental
point…..
Muhammad said that this manner of
using the idiom, "sister of Aaron", was
done by the pious people of the "old
age", i.e. people who lived during Mary's
time. Those people called their fellow
citizens after pious persons who had
lived earlier. But the Christians of Najran
did not recognize the use of this idiom.
Although they lived some 600 years after
Christ's time, they were familiar with
their own religious stories, and certainly
those of the Jews. But this idiom struck
their ears as peculiar. If the idiom were
familiar to them, they would not have
objected. But the expression "sister of
Aaron", when applied to Mary in relation
to Aaron, was not familiar.
Further, they did not recognize the
technique or model in which this idiom
was used. Had they known the custom
that Muhammad said existed, of people
calling other people "brother" or "sister"
of ancient pious people, like possibly,
"sister of Moses", "brother of David",
"sister of Abraham", "brother of Isaac",
they would have understood what the
Quran was saying and raised no
objection. But both the idiom, and the
model in which it is used, were foreign to
them.
Note the next critical event. Again, it is
fundamental to the point. The Arabic
Muslim who came to Najran, and spoke
with the Christians, did not know that the
term was metaphorical. When confronted
with the mistake he was dumbfounded!
He had to go and see Muhammad to find
out why there was a mistake in the
Quran. Had he known that it was a
metaphorical idiom, he would not have
had to go and see Muhammad; he could
have told the Najran Christians the
meaning of the metaphor. Instead, the
Muslim was confused because he also
understood the passage to mean that
Mary was Aaron's literal sister.
In sum, the Christians understood the
Arabic of the Quran to mean a literal
brother and sister relationship between
Aaron and Mary. Further, they did not
recognize the idiom "sister of Aaron"
when Muhammad used it with respect to
Mary. In fact, the term, "sister of Aaron"
was abnormal to them when applied to
anyone other than Aaron's real sister -
Miriam. Further the Arabic Muslim,
Mughira Shu'bah, also did not know this
idiom was metaphorical. He also
understood it to be literal. When told of
the error, he was confused. and went to
see Muhammad to get an answer.

MrPresident:
*40 days of rain cannot possibly cover earth
*there's only about 29% of the water that would be needed to submerge mountain everest 21ft deep
*hw the hell did noah travel round the world to warn people, in the absence of advanced transportation/communication system?
* one man and a few sons can not build a 450 feet long boat that would survive months of rain in the sea without technologically advanced tools,
*any of such boat made of wood would certainly fall apart in the sea, eve without luggage, talk less of when loaded with multitude of animals
*how can all the animals in the world travel to on place, and let alone many species of each animal?? e.g Dogs (more or less you would need 2 of each approximately 150 species of dogs on earth.

the biblical noah story is just a bullshiit copy of older myths.

there are many things you don't know, you are very very wrong my friend.
The genesis flood was not global but a local one, and water did not cover all the earth.When you read an English translation of the biblical account of the flood, you will undoubtedly notice many words and verses that seem to suggest that the waters covered all of planet earth. However, one should note that today we look at everything from a global perspective, whereas the Bible nearly always refers to local geography.

You will not be able to know this with the English translations of the bible, so let look at the original Hebrew word.

The Hebrew words which are translated as "whole earth" or "all the earth" are kol (Strong's number H3605), which means "all," and erets (Strong's number H776), which means "earth,""land," "country," or "ground."

Infacte, we don't need to go to far because the Hebrew word KOL and ERETS is used earlier in genesis chapter;

The name of the first is Pishon; it flows
around the whole [kol] land [erets] of
Havilah, where there is gold. (Genesis
2:11)
And the name of the second river is
Gihon; it flows around the whole [kol]
land [erets] of Cush. (Genesis 2:13)

Base on this verse uses of the same word "whole land"(kol erets) we understand that it was not a global flood but local.Obviously, the description of kol erets is modified by the name of the land, indicating a local area from the context. In fact, the term kol erets is nearly always used in the Old Testament to describe a local area of land, instead of our entire planet.

There are many more example, For example, in Genesis 11 (the Tower of Babel) the text says;
"the whole [kol] earth [erets] used the
same language." We know that this
reference is not really to the earth at all
(and certainly not to the "whole earth",
but to the people of the earth, who all
lived in one geographic location. It wasn't until later that God scattered the people over the face of the earth.There are many other examples of where kol erets actually refers to people rather than the geography of the "whole earth":

Shall not the Judge of all [kol] the earth
[erets] deal justly?" (Genesis 18:25)

If we are to believe that the flood was a global one then going by this verse we will be saying God judge the earth which is wrong (God judges the people of the earth, not the earth itself)

@proton your thread dosent make sense at all,bible say their wickedness exceed great,God even gave them His grace to repent by sending Noah to preach to them but the refused,Noah told them how God is about to destroyed the land,but the chose there WILL not to obeyed God word, God will not forced his will on you. Living in a peaceful world is not among the will of God, the world was created for spiritual being to chose to love or hate God, once evil is eliminated then the freewill of God is partial.

kay1one2:
Sexual depravity fills islam! Once "Son" is mentioned the first thing they think of is "wife"! Re.tards!
Even scientists are cloning and creating embryos with three genes!
Re.tards!
Op nice wonderful post!
Religion is a game of power not necessarily words alone.
Jesus power is above all and will keep transforming lives and the world.
Islam will destroy itself with its dependence on human works!

thank you my good friend. God bless you.

wordcat:
Is this not a pure wickedness from a loving god?

Why should he keep reminding the Israelites the wrong melted to them by Amalekites?

A good father suppose to preach peace to his children and not war except you want me to believe that Yahweh is just for the Israelites.

in exedus God judge the amalikites after 300 years God fulfilled the judgment, 300 years is enough for the amalikites to repent, the amalikites are very rich nation YET they and other nation invades the isrealite farm and and take away there food, you turn blind eyes on this!? Seriously? You are not an atheist you are a satanic but it's unknown to you.

blueyedgeek:
The Israelites were God's own people right? A beacon of hope to the rest of the nations. What makes God's supposed own people any special if they behave just like those they are supposed to be a shining light to? What makes them God's own people if they only know how to repay evil with greater evil?

Being chosen as the people through whom God would send the Messiah was no walk in the park for the Jews. You are right in the sense that the Jews are supposed to be the shining light for the rest nation, but the keep on breaking the commandment of God, infacte they are supposed to walk in the desert for 40 days but because of there disobedient they ended up walking for forty years ,in the book of hosea.Because they failed to be faithful to God, the Jews were scattered among the nations, where they "profaned the name of the Lord." However, after their 70 year exile in Babylon, the God gathered the Jews back to Israel in preparation for the coming Messiah.

Abuamam:
No facts here. You merely pointed out your views and opinions; which are in error. The upside for you is that your post is too long and ut will be tedious to respond to it.

by muhammed admission,he was possessed by demon and the op quote from the quran and hadith.in the quran there are many verse we read Allah swear by the things he claimed was created by him.

THE QUR’AN STATES THAT GOD
CANNOT HAVE A SON WITHOUT A
CONSORT (WIFE).

Surah 6:101: “To Him is due the
primal origin of the heavens and the
earth: How can He have a son when
He hath no consort?” (Yusuf Ali)

Yet, the Qur’an itself records that Mary
had a son without a consort.

Surah 19:20-21: She said: How can I
have a son when no mortal hath
touched me, neither have I been
unchaste! He said: So (it will be). Thy
Lord saith: It is easy for Me. And (it
will be) that We may make of him a
revelation for mankind and a mercy
from Us, and it is a thing ordained.
(Pickthall)

QUESTION IS:
If Mary could produce a son without a
husband, why would it be impossible
for the Almighty Creator to produce a
son without a wife?
Why do you believe that the Almighty
God is incapable of doing something
that he himself empowered Mary to
do?
If Mary can beget a son without the
sexual involvement of a husband, why
cannot the Almighty God produce a son
without the sexual association of a wife
If Almighty God was able to create the
vast universe and every living being in
it out of nothing, why is he unable to
produce a son for himself without a
wife?
When you say that God cannot have a
son without a consort, is this not
limiting God’s almightiness?

And the Qur’an acknowledges:
Surah 39:4: “If Allah had willed to
choose a son, He could have chosen
what He would of that which He hath
created.”

Well, does not this Qur’anic verse prove
that God can and could have a son?
That he could have a son anytime he
wants?
And that He could simply create a son
for himself?Is this not exactly what the
Holy Bible teaches? ( Colossians 1:15)

.

Empiree:
So "the most important" which Jesus emphasized about Oneness of God is of no use in Christianity? There is difference btw worship of One God from "Loving God". Herbalists also love God but do they actually worship one God? No. Surely, you guys are lost. I dont really see anything I lied about other than i didnt quote the whole thing. I didnt because my focus was on the first and important commandment which you still eschewed.

That I dont know Jesus came before Paul, sometimes I wonder if i am talking to a kid. Thats how you sound. Of-course Paul didnt even meet Jesus. He came later. I feel sorry for you man. You dont know the Bible.

The first commandment which will actually lead to paradise is WORSHIP OF ONE GOD which you people don't have. All these love your neighbor, turn other cheek are simply code of conduct. You can turn other cheek a million time, you can love the hell out of your neighbor a billion time. If you worship anything other than God alone or worship human being (Jesus) along with God, there is no doubt such people will abide in hell forever. Jesus is very clear from Bible and Quran that he preached tawheed (God Is One). You are here twisting back n fourth. You follow teachings of Paul which you clearly highlighted above. Too bad

why is Allah calling himself WE in in the quran? I only see muslims gives different answer some have no idea?

Genesis 1:27 let US (father son and the holy spirit) make man in our IMAGE (oneness) if God is three this verse should have say "IMAGES"

Empiree:
[s][/s]Ask these questions again when you turn 18. Thanks

a gown up man cannot answer the question of a kid? Quran told you to invoked peace on prophets without given you reason?

You cannot state the reason why of the virgin birth.

Let me ask the question know muslims have been able to answer once again;

Both the Qur’an and the Bible tell us very clearly that Jesus had no human father. We must therefore ask ourselves this vital question, “Since Jesus is addressed as a ‘son’ by the angel Gabriel both in the Qur’an (Surah 19:19) and in the Bible (Luke 1:35), whose son is he?” Is it Mary’s? In Surah 19:19, the angel Gabriel said to Mary: “I am only a
messenger of thy Lord, to announce to
thee the GIFT of a holy son .” Here,
Gabriel refers to a son who was to be
given as a “GiFT” by God to Mary. Since
the Qur’an makes it very clear that the
son is a gift from God, it shows that Mary was only the recipient of that gift. She is not the source of that gift but God. The gift belongs to God. The gift was a son.
Therefore, the son belongs to God
which means the son was His or His
son. In other words, God’s son. This
testifies to the Gospel truth that Jesus is
the Son of God.