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Christianity Etc › Re: Allah’s Invalidate His Own Revelation. by malvisguy212(op): 7:08pm On Mar 16, 2015
Abuamam:
I am always amazed when xtians deride 'abrogation of a few laws in Islam'... yet they confidently claim that God abrogated the entire OT laws; (except of course, for tithing, which was modified to add modern day pastors to biblical levites as recipients); which He gave Moses and the prophets in favour of "grace".
This seems like mote and beam to me. I wonder how they justify it?
can you prove this with a verse? If one christian twist bible teaching for you and it not in the bible, it a false doctrine, but what the op write is supported with verses from the quran.
Christianity Etc › Re: Rape In The Bible by malvisguy212: 11:38pm On Mar 15, 2015
omokab:
to be sincere with you,our Imam always preach against violent in every jumat prayers.If you don't know ask about the meaning of surat jumua.Most of the Imam use this as a tool to advice muslim not to engage in any crime and be good to others.Not be good to only muslim but all human being.Only a fool will believe boko is a islam thing.Is there any war between a muslim and other religion?capital NO.Even if there is a war they have violated so many rules that guide Holy war.To your second concern about muslim that can't read quaran.I don't see how that one is your concern.Bible was written in hebrew,can you read hebrew.we have english,yoruba and hausa quran in Nigeria.Is I can read and understand in any other language which means Is okay for me.One good thing with quran is that it is well explanatory.for instance marriage,how you can meet your,the quality to see before you can marry your wife,how to meet the family,who should follow you to you wife house,what you should pay has dowry to your wife your responsibility after you have marry your wife and others which time of space will not allow me to type.So about holy war there are some instances that will lead to war not the type of war boko is fighting.
https://www.nairaland.com/2092548/root-caused-islamic-terrorism
Christianity Etc › Re: Rape In The Bible by malvisguy212: 11:36pm On Mar 15, 2015
tola9ja:
the ten commandment is in the new or old testament ?

Pope Claims The Quran is a Book of Peace


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/11/30/uk-pope-turkey-mideast-idUKKCN0JE0AB20141130
what are your points here? Did I not say christians do not abandoned the law? Paul say
"if the law do not say, thou shall not covet , I wouldn't have know what is covet" in other word,without the law I wouldn't have known sin, so the law is NOT the instrument by which man would save himself, but it was the instrument through which man was to be saved.

I don't care what the pope say, any teaching that contradicts God divine truth is satanic.
Christianity Etc › Re: Rape In The Bible by malvisguy212: 10:49pm On Mar 15, 2015
tola9ja:
Jesus kept the law but christian reject it ?
where do you see christians reject the law? Jesus summoned the ten commandment with just ONE word "LOVE" the bible define salvation as 'a work of God base on the belief of Jesus christ" if you believe in Jesus as your Lord and personal saviour, his righteousness will indwell in you, and you will not break the law.
Christianity Etc › Re: Allah’s Invalidate His Own Revelation. by malvisguy212(op): 10:25pm On Mar 15, 2015
malvisguy212:
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 48,
Number 823:

Narrated By ‘Aisha : The Prophet
heard a man (reciting Qur’an) in the
Mosque, and he said, “May Allah
bestow His Mercy upon him. No
doubt, he made me remember such-
and such Verses of such-and-such
Surah WHICH I DROPPED (from my
memory).

Muhammad forgot some verses and one
of his friends reminded him of them.
However, when there was no one to
remind him, he claimed that these
verses have been abrogated by Allah. We
saw this to be true previously when two
of his followers told him that they had
forgotten some of the verses which he
had taught them. Muhammad told them
that these verses “have been abrogated,
thus, forget about it.” In truth, the
doctrine of abrogation is nothing more
than an implicit admission that the
Qur’an contradicts itself. This is true
because a verse is considered to be
abrogated only when two verses cannot
be reconciled with each other. In other
words, when two verses in the Qur’an
contradict each other.

HERE WHAT THE TRUE GOD SAY;
Isaiah 40:8: “The green grass has
dried up, the blossom has withered;
but as for the word of our God, it
will last to time indefinite.”

Psalms 119:89: “To time indefinite,
O Jehovah, Your word is stationed in
the heavens.”

1 Peter 1:25: “But the saying of
Jehovah endures forever.”
Christianity Etc › Re: Rape In The Bible by malvisguy212: 10:16pm On Mar 15, 2015
tartar9:
delete it then,was it not the same god/jesus who ordered them,or he was high on ogogoro mixed with weed
thank God,your post indicate JESUS IS LORD.
Now read the reply again.
Christianity Etc › Re: Rape In The Bible by malvisguy212: 10:12pm On Mar 15, 2015
tola9ja:
you don start ur copy and paste again this dose not reply my question
you copy from a satanic website and you are complaining.
Christianity Etc › Re: Rape In The Bible by malvisguy212: 10:10pm On Mar 15, 2015
[quote author=tola9ja post=31654396][/quote]Jesus did not come to abolished the law but to fullfiled it, did muhammed even keep the law? Muhammed is a law breaker YET you muslims follow him for redemption.

When Jesus is said to have fulfilled the
law, it means that>>>>
HE PERFECTLY KEPT THE
LAW AND HE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE TO
FOLLOW, AND NEVER SINNED (1 Peter
2:22).

The purpose of the law is to show us our sinful nature.The law shows us our sinfulness as a contrast to God's holiness. (the law show the holiness of Jesus) to keep the law you must follow the new covenant.
Christianity Etc › Re: Rape In The Bible by malvisguy212: 9:59pm On Mar 15, 2015
http://www.rationalchristianity.net/numbers31.html

Moses and the Midianites

Numbers 31:7-18
They fought against Midian, as the LORD
commanded Moses, and killed every
man. Among their victims were Evi,
Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba - the five
kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam
son of Beor with the sword. The Israelites
captured the Midianite women and
children and took all the Midianite
herds, flocks and goods as plunder. They
burned all the towns where the
Midianites had settled, as well as all
their camps. They took all the plunder
and spoils, including the people and
animals, and brought the captives, spoils
and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the
priest and the Israelite assembly at their
camp on the plains of Moab, by the
Jordan across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the
leaders of the community went to meet
them outside the camp. Moses was angry
with the officers of the army - the
commanders of thousands and
commanders of hundreds - who returned
from the battle.
"Have you allowed all the women to
live?" he asked them. "They were the
ones who followed Balaam's advice and
were the means of turning the Israelites
away from the LORD in what happened
at Peor, so that a plague struck the
LORD's people. Now kill all the boys. And
kill every woman who has slept with a
man, but save for yourselves every girl
who has never slept with a man."
Weren't the virgin women raped?

There are two parts to this objection: did
God instruct or permit the soldiers to
rape the women, and did the soldiers
actually rape them?
It's clear that God didn't intend for the
soldiers to rape the women, but rather to
take them CAPTIVE . The law God had
given to the Israelites condemned rape,
in some cases punishing it with death ( Dt
22:25-27). Also, immediately following
the command to spare the virgin women,
the soldiers were instructed to purify
themselves and their captives ( 31:19),
and rape (or consensual intercourse)
would have violated this command ( Lev
15:16-18). In the rest of the chapter, the
women are usually referred to as people
(using the masculine adam), not women
or virgins, underscoring the notion that
they were seen as captives rather than
sexual objects.1
It's theoretically possible that some of
the soldiers raped the women, but given
the circumstances it seems very unlikely.
The soldiers would have known that rape
was a violation of both the law and the
instruction to purify themselves, as
shown above; they had also seen God
punish such violations with death during
their travels in the desert. In fact, they
had recently experienced a plague and
executions resulting from their relations
with Midianite women ( 25:1-9), as Moses
reminded them. At that time, all those
who had sexual relations with the
Midianites were killed. It's highly
implausible that the soldiers would have
wanted to have anything to do with the
Midianite women given this context.
So what did happen to the women (and
children)? God gave the Israelites
permission to marry women they took
captive, but they were to treat their wives
with respect: the women were to have
time to mourn their families first, and
were not to be mistreated (Dt 21:10-14).
Those who didn't marry would have
become servants, but there were rules
against mistreating them as well ( Ex
21:26-27, Dt 23:15-16). See the article on
slavery laws for more on the treatment of
female slaves.

Weren't some of the women and
children sacrificed ( Num 31:25-41)?
No - they probably became servants of
the priests. This passage is dealt with in
the article on human sacrifice.
Why were the men and non-virgin
women killed?
The Midianites conspired with the
Moabites to curse Israel ( Num 22:1-7).
When the curse was turned into a
blessing instead ( 24:10-11), the Moabite
and Midianite woman agreed to seduce
the Israelite men and in doing so entice
them to serve their idols ( 25:1-9,
31:15-16, Rev 2:14). The Israelites who
fell prey to this and engaged in idolatry
were also held responsible, and were
executed ( 25:4-5). Virgin women and
young girls were obviously not
participants in this, so they were spared.

Why was Balaam killed - didn't he
bless Israel?
Balaam did follow God's instructions and
blessed Israel instead of cursing it as
Balak, the Moabite king, wanted him to
( Num 24:10-11 - see ch. 22-24 for the
whole story). However, following God was
not habitual for Balaam: he often
practiced sorcery ( 24:1) and in fact was
his idea to bring destruction on Israel by
having the women lure the Israelites into
sexual immorality and idolatry ( 31:15-16,
Rev 2:14).

What about the Moabites?
The Moabites were a special case - they
were descendents of Lot ( Gen 19:36-37),
and were to remain in the land God had
provided for them ( Dt 2:9). However, they
were excluded from the Israelite
community as a result of their actions (Dt
23:3-6).
Christianity Etc › Re: Rape In The Bible by malvisguy212: 9:52pm On Mar 15, 2015
Tola9ja. From a satanic website? So muslims visit satanic site? Good.

All what you wrote are the old covenant,we the "christians" are not bind by the old covenant,as Jesus say you can't put a new win inside an old bottle. however as a christians and it's in the bible, I will reply you.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-rape.html
The Bible does address the
issue of rape. As expected, when the
Bible mentions the crime of rape, it is
depicted as a gross violation of God’s
design for the treatment of the human
body ( Genesis 34). The Bible condemns
rape whenever it is mentioned. For
example, there is a particular passage in
the laws given to the nation of Israel
before entering the Promised Land
under Joshua’s leadership. This passage
( Deuteronomy 22:13-29) spoke directly
against forcing a woman into a sexual
encounter against her will, or what we
know today as rape. This command was
meant to protect women and to protect
the nation of Israel from committing
sinful actions.
Deuteronomy 22:25-27 mentioned the
punishment the Mosaic Law commanded
for a man who raped a woman. The man
was to be killed by stoning while the
woman was considered innocent. Though
the Mosaic Law was for the nation of
Israel during the time of Moses, the
principle is clear that rape was sinful in
the eyes of God and led to the most
extreme punishment possible—death for
the rapist.
There are some difficult passages in the
Old Testament, however, in relation to
this issue. Critics of the Bible are quick to
point to Numbers 31 (and other similar
passages) in which the Israelites were
allowed to take female captives from
nations they conquered. Critics make the
accusation that this is an example of the
Bible condoning, or even promoting,
rape. However, the passage says nothing
about raping the captive women. It is
wrong to assume that the captive women
were to be raped. Again, Deuteronomy
22:25-27 condemns rape, even
advocating the death penalty for
perpetrators of rape. In the Numbers 31
passage the soldiers were commanded to
purify themselves and their captives
(verse 19). Rape would have violated this
command (see Leviticus 15:16-18). The
women who were taken captive are
never referred to as sexual objects. Did
the captive women likely eventually
marry amongst the Israelites? Yes. Is
there any indication that rape or sex
slavery was forced upon the women?
Absolutely not.
In the New Testament, rape is not
mentioned directly, but within the Jewish
culture of its writers, rape would have
been considered as sexual immorality. As
such, both Jesus and His followers
(including the apostle Paul) spoke against
sexual immorality, even offering it as
justifiable grounds for divorce when a
person actively committed sexual acts
outside of the bond of marriage
( Matthew 5:32). This would not, however,
apply to the victim of rape, only the one
who committed the act.
Further, the New Testament is clear that
Christians are to obey the laws of their
governing authorities ( Romans 13). Not
only is rape morally wrong; it is also
wrong according to the laws of our
governing authorities. As such, anyone
who would commit this crime should
expect dire consequences, including
arrest and imprisonment.
To the victims of rape, much care and
compassion must be offered. God’s Word
often speaks about helping those in need
and in vulnerable situations. Christians
would do well to practice these teachings
and model the love and compassion of
Christ by assisting victims of rape in any
way possible.
To those who have committed rape, we
must remember two things. First, people
are responsible for the sins they commit.
Second, however, no one is beyond the
grace of God. Even in the lives of those
who have committed the vilest of sins,
God can extend forgiveness to any who
will repent and turn from their evil ways
( 1 John 1:9). This does not remove the
need for punishment according to the
law, but it can offer hope, even to those
whose sins have made them outcasts in
the eyes of others.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It True That The Word "LOVE" Is Not In The Quran? by malvisguy212: 4:44pm On Mar 15, 2015
tola9ja:
1 Samuel 15:3New International Version (NIV)

3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
this are the old covenant law, we the believers are under the new covenant were such thing does not happened, but I will answer you,you ask this same question the other time and I reply you with this;

The Amalekites attacked the Israelites
without apparent provocation as they
were traveling during the Exodus ( Ex
17:cool. "When you were weary and worn
out, they met you on your journey and
cut off all who were lagging behind" ( Dt
25:17-18). They later attacked Israel
during the time of the Judges (Jdg 3:13)
and often raided the Israelites' land after they had planted crops, leaving them with nothing ( Jdg 6:2-5). God punished the Amalekites by ordering Saul to destroy them ( 1 Sam 15:2-3) - over 300 years after they had first attacked Israel.

During that time, the Amalekites had
contact with the Israelites and would
have heard about God. They could have
repented and changed their ways, but
they continued to raid and plunder other cities up to the time of Saul and David (1 Sam 30:1-3). The Amalekites that Saul and David warred against were clearly no better than their ancestors who had first waylaid Israel.


Did God "blot out the memory of Amalek" or not? The LORD said to Moses, "Write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it, because I will
completely blot out the memory of
Amalek from under heaven."

Moses built an altar and called it The
LORD is my Banner. He said, "For
hands were lifted up to the throne of
the LORD. The LORD will be at war
against the Amalekites from
generation to generation." ( Ex 17:14-16)

"Blot out the memory of Amalek" refers
to the extinction of the descendents of
Amalek. Clearly God was not referring to
the world's knowledge that Amalek
existed, else he would not have
commanded the Amalekites' defeat to be recorded. He wanted the incidents to be remembered, so that future generations would realize that God, not the Israelites, defeated the Amalekites and avenged their unjust treatment of others.

The Amalekites presumably would have
been wiped out by Saul in 1 Samuel 15 if he had followed God's instructions. He
did destroy the city of Amalek, but other
raiding parties/nomadic bands of
Amalekites survived. These were
defeated by David in 1 Samuel 30 with
the exception of a few hundred who
escaped ( 30:17). The remnant of the
Amalekites were finally destroyed by the Israelites many years later ( 1 Chr 4:43). Thus, while God did blot out the memory of Amalek by wiping out his descendents, he was at war with them for many generations.
Islam › Re: The Book Of Jihad By Ibn Nuhass by malvisguy212: 12:52pm On Mar 15, 2015
mujahid777:
promoting Jihad/holy war is what am doing MURON
do you want to give what you don't have? You can fight for God ,satan is manipulating the truth,God did not create you to come and fight for him, the purpose of us being created is to worship God,love him and our neighbours,jihad is satanic doctrine thank you
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Catches Wife Having Sex With Guest Pastor He Invited To His Church by malvisguy212: 11:44am On Mar 15, 2015
tola9ja:
A 49-year-old pastor simply identified as Jack has filed a suit against his wife on the grounds of infidelity and prayed the court to dissolve the marriage after he caught her having sex with a guest pastor he invited to his church.

It was learnt that the pastor’s wife simply identified as Kate has failed to show up in court for the fifth hearing.

Court officials at an Orile Agege Customary Court instructed the bailiff to serve her the court order again with hope that she show up, Daily Independent reports.

During the hearing in court, the apparently irked pastor of an undisclosed church said, “When my pastor-friend came to Lagos on my invitation for our church programme, I noticed how my wife was admiring him which made me to suspect a foul play.

“After the pastor had returned to his base in Ibadan, my wife was nowhere to be found in Lagos, so I traced her to Ibadan and met her with the pastor.

“Before she left finally in 2011, whenever she left the house in the morning, she would only return late in the night, she was not taking care of me and my family.”

He added, “She would not welcome my family members anytime they come to our house, she did not take care of my mother when she was sick for four years until the woman died.

“The worst of it is that she denied me sex before she left but I maintained my integrity not to commit adultery.

“I reported her to her mother but instead for my wife to heed the counsel of her mother, she chose to fight me.”

The case has been adjourned till Monday, March 23, 2015 for further hearing

http://www.thetrentonline.com/pastor-catches-wife-sex-guest-pastor-invited-church/
is the pastor different from muhammed? When ever muhammed lust after a woman,Allah revealed revelation to satisfied muhammed desire for sex after muhammed lust after the wife of zaid, Allah provide a revelation to surpport his pleasure;

Qur'an (33:37) - "But when Zaid had
accomplished his want of her, We gave
her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted
sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed."


Qur'an (33:51) - "You may put off whom
you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you
desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased"

This is in reference to a situation in which Muhammad's wives were grumbling about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them. Accordingly, Muhammad may sleep with whichever wife (or slave) he wishes without having to hear the others complain... as revealed in Allah's literal and perfect words to more than a billion Muslims.

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women
(are forbidden unto you) save those
(captives) whom your right hands
possess."

Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle. Is this not adultery? Who is this Allah that permit muhammed to sin? Surly this is satan!!!
Christianity Etc › Re: 7 Common Mistakes Young Leaders Make by malvisguy212(op): 6:06am On Mar 15, 2015
Lalasticlala, pleased can you put this on
the homepage?
Christianity Etc › 7 Common Mistakes Young Leaders Make by malvisguy212(op): 6:02am On Mar 15, 2015
We desperately need young leaders to
emerge. The older leaders need to help
them come forth. That being said, there
are some common mistakes young
leaders make that could hinder their
progress.
The following are seven of the top
mistakes young leaders make:

1. Young leaders often have zeal
without knowledge; Perhaps the
greatest attribute of young leaders can
also be their greatest weakness: zeal. The Bible tells us it is possible to have zeal (great energy and passion) without
knowledge (Rom. 10:2).
This can manifest in having great
excitement and motivation to accomplish a great task, but in that excitement overlooking many of the necessary details needed to ensure success. They see the forest but fail to see the individual trees that make up the forest.

2. Young leaders often neglect the
advice of older, wiser leaders. Like
Rehoboam (1 Kings 12), the son of
Solomon, young leaders often surround
themselves with like-minded leaders
their own age and neglect the advice of
older, more seasoned leaders. Perhaps
this is because the next generation
always thinks it understands
contemporary culture better than older
leaders, or perhaps because of a
generation gap. Whatever the reason,
young leaders make huge mistakes (as
did King Rehoboam) if they attempt to
lead without the advice and accountability of more experienced
leaders.

3. Young leaders often put their work
before their families. All young leaders
struggle with having balance in this area. One of the main reasons is because young people have an intense need to prove their competency and accomplish great things to satisfy their egos and lift their self-esteem. Consequently, this intense desire often blinds them to the needs of their families, which often leads to emotionally neglecting their spouses and children. If this is not rectified soon enough, the foundations of their families will be faulty and they may have huge issues in the future. Older ministers have learned that it doesn’t pay to win the world and lose their families.

4. Young leaders often compete with,
instead of partner with, other leaders.
Along with an inordinate desire to prove
themselves comes an intense, subconscious drive to be more successful than other leaders their own age. (Even pastors fall into this.)
Young leaders need to learn not to
compare themselves with their peers
since we all have unique gifts and
callings others cannot easily replicate (2
Cor. 10:12). They also need to
understand how partnering with other
like-minded leaders will actually
maximize their ability to get things done
for the sake of the kingdom.

5. Young leaders have unrealistic
goals. Often young leaders believe they
will be able to see quick results and
bring incredible transformation
overnight. Their goals are often
unrealistic and idealistic. This recalls the words of an old rabbi: “When I was
young I wanted to change the world.
When I got a little older I modified my
goals and wanted to change my nation.
Then, as I got older I was content to
merely change my city. Then my
community. Now that I am very old I
would just like to change myself!”
Although I do believe God can use a
young person to change their nation
and/or the world (for example, D.L.
Moody, Billy Graham, John Wesley,
Charles Finney, George Whitefield and
Dr. Martin Luther King, to name a few),
for the most part young leaders have to
avoid being precocious regarding their
goals and be more practical in regard to
following a process capable of facilitating their vision.

6. Young leaders lack biblical balance
regarding truth. Often young leaders are just focused on one area of truth that gives them passion to the neglect of
other areas of their lives. For example,
young senior pastors may focus on one
subject, such as prosperity, healing,
deliverance or evangelism, but if they
neglect other truths of the Bible, they will build unbalanced congregations. Young leaders need to study the whole counsel of God and not just areas based on their passions.

7. Young leaders often build without a
proper foundation. Often young leaders
will build a business or even plant a
church without taking the time needed to build a proper foundation. Whether it is having a strong leadership team in place or a plan for sustainable growth, young leaders often put the cart before the horse and may even experience
immediate success without long-term
fruit. The deeper the roots of a tree grow into the ground, the taller it can grow! In the beginning, young leaders need to take more time building a proper foundation than being concerned about how quickly they can make money and/ or grow their businesses or ministries.

Note:am not a pastor nor am I a young leader,I am what hausa man will say almajiri sa in English is "his disciple"thank you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It True That The Word "LOVE" Is Not In The Quran? by malvisguy212: 10:33am On Mar 14, 2015
tola9ja:
Luke 14:26New International Version (NIV)

26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a

person cannot be my disciple.


I CANT BLAME YOU FOR HATING MUSLIM BECAUSE YOU FOLLOW UR SCRIPTURE AS INSTRUCTED YOU THAT WHY ORMENPHYCO(OREMUSSANCTUS) HATE BUHARI
and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple: not that proper hatred of any, or all of these, is enjoined by Christ; for this would be contrary to the laws of God, to the first principles of nature, to all humanity, to the light of nature, to reason and divine revelation:
but that these are not to be preferred to
Christ, or loved more than he, as it is
explained in Matthew 10:37

matthew 10:37"Anyone who loves their father or
mother more than me is not worthy of
me; anyone who loves their son or
daughter more than me is not worthy of
me.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is This Man A Christian? by malvisguy212: 9:47am On Mar 14, 2015
diluminati:
please take a look at the picture below and tell me if this man is a christian or not.
you can not judge a man with a picture,I don't know if he is a christians or not, a christians is know by this characters;

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy,
peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness,
faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-
control. Against such things there is no
law.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It True That The Word "LOVE" Is Not In The Quran? by malvisguy212: 9:09am On Mar 14, 2015
Maamin:
Thanks for your contribution..but you did not specify the particular verse. I also noticed that the love proclaimed in this verses are only from allah to the believers...what about love to enemies, neighbours, one another, families and even spouse?

Will love to see more verses tho!
God bless you for this wonderful post. Any attempt of muslims to bring a verse that say Allah love his enemy will amount to contradiction.

The Quran plainly tells Muslims that they
are a favored race, while those of other
religions are “perverted transgressors”:
Q3:110
Ye are the best of peoples, evolved
for mankind, enjoining what is right,
forbidding what is wrong, and
believing in Allah. If only the People
of the Book [Christians and Jews] had
faith, it were best for them: among
them are some who have faith, but
most of them are perverted
transgressors.

The verse even went further to condemned the faith of the people of the book(christians and Jews) it is the same people Allah ask muslims to confirmed the book for guidance, honestly Allah is not steady in his word.

Much of the Quran is devoted to
distinguishing Muslims from non-
Muslims and impugning the latter.
Among other things, non-Muslims are
said to be diseased (2:10), perverse (2:99) , stupid (2:171) and deceitful (3:73).

He does not love the unbelievers
(30:45)

Allah only loves those who obey
Muhammad (at least according to
Muhammad, who provided the
"narration"wink:
Say: "Obey Allah and His
Messenger": But if they turn back,
Allah loveth NOT those who reject
Faith. (3:32)

But you see my good friend, the quranic truth is soo strange for the biblical TRUTH, the nature of God is different from the one in the quran;

Romans 5:8, “But God commendeth
his LOVE TOWARDS US, in that, while
we were yet SINNERS, Christ died for
us.”
God in His foreknowledge knew
how sinful and rotten mankind would
be, but He looked beyond our faults
and saw our need for redemption. Allah never look beyond the need for sinner redemption

In 1st Peter 1:18,19, "Forasmuch as ye
know that ye were not redeemed
with corruptible things, as silver
and gold... But with the precious
blood of Christ, as of a lamb
without blemish and without spot."
Christ died for all men, because God
loves all mankind, even the vilest of
sinful men.

God extends a warm invitation to all
sinners. Isaiah 1:18, “Come now, and
let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.” Jesus makes us the promise in John 6:37, “All that the Father giveth me
shall come to me; and him that
cometh to me I will in no wise cast
out.”
Christianity Etc › Re: Our Source Of Power As Christians. by malvisguy212: 8:40am On Mar 14, 2015
doubleDx:
It's not satanic manipulation Brah; it's recompenses for their numerous blasphemies! The more they blaspheme, the more they are kept in the delusion of disbelief as a recompense!

Their blasphemies against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven without a recompense (Mark 3:29)!...Strong delusion is the judgement, which is why you see many of them confused and dead in the delusion of disbelief....Their chances at redemption are very slim because the Lord God of recompenses shall surely requite! grin


2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


Isaiah 66:4

I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

@Nice thread @Brah Gombs!
there are lot of truth in your post, I agree with you. Isaiah 6 talk about it.

Isaiah 6:9-10.
9 He said, “Go and tell this people:
“‘Be ever hearing, but never
understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
10
Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.[ a]
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”
Christianity Etc › Re: Our Source Of Power As Christians. by malvisguy212: 7:40am On Mar 14, 2015
Gombs:
Yeah buddy. It is not ordinary. The good book knew about folks like he..

2 Cirinthians 4: 3-4 MSG
If our Message is obscure to anyone, it's not because we're holding back in any way. No, it's because these other people are looking or going the wrong way and refuse to give it serious attention.

All they have eyes for is the fashionable god of darkness. They think he can give them what they want, and that they won't have to bother believing a Truth they can't see.

They're stone-blind to the dayspring brightness of the Message that shines with Christ, who gives us the best picture of God we'll ever get.
God bless you for this wonderful post.
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 7:37am On Mar 14, 2015
Abuamam:
Now how do I explain this verrry simply so even you can understand...

Ok.

The verse in question is a reported speech; in Arabic, the object need not be mentioned everytime; the beauty lies in switching from one figure of speech to another without the disfiguring banal repetition of object/subject. This is why translators of the Qur'an into the inadequate English language, have to keep putting (he said), (they said) into brackets. In Arabic, who said what is perfectly clear from the context.

As for the mockery, I will give you this example:

Mr A said "God is hiding from the rain"

I am reporting what mr A actually said; but it is not my speech. If I give you the context of that statement, you would obviously understand its meaning.
It happened when we noticed a popular man in Ibadan who claims to be god on earth, sheltering himself from the rain. Mr A happened to be a friend of mine who did not believe in the self acclaimed god on earth.
I think you will agree with me that mr A was mocking the god-claimant. No one would interprete the statement to mean that mr A believed that the man was really god. Nor would anyone say I erred because I reported the sarcastic statement made by mr A, even though to a foreigner who does not understand the nuances of the English language, and/or who is always looking for faults in my statements, it might seem that mr A really believed that "god" was hiding from the rain; or that I was lying about mr A.

Now make the necessary substitutions.

I hope you now understand? Because I am done. Good day.

PS. Any interested muslim can refer to the tafsir of ibn Katheer for an understanding of how they were mocking the prophet Isa (as) in this verse... anNisaa' 4:157.
the verse I quoted (muhammed thought the Jew recognised Jesus as the messiah) is similar to this one
;

(Surah 19:27, 28):
"Carrying the child, (Jesus), she (Mary)
came to her people, who said to her:
"Mary, this is indeed a strange thing!
Sister of Aaron, your father was never a
LovePeddler-monger, nor was your mother a
harlot."" [The Koran, Dawood's
translation, pages 215, 216].

This verse states that after Mary gave
birth to Christ, her townsfolk reproached
her. They thought she was not married,
and assumed that she committed sexual
sin because she gave birth. In their
reproach, they called her, "Sister of
Aaron".
This mistake was discerned by the Arabic
Christians of Najran. There is a record of
them exposing Muhammad's mistake
about Mary. It's found in authentic
Islamic writings, known as the Hadith, or
Traditions. The quote is from the
collection of Traditions compiled by an
Islamic scholar known as "Imam Muslim".
Imam Muslim's collection of Hadith,
known as "Sahih Muslim", is considered
to be the 3rd most important set of books
in Islam, following the Quran, and Hadith
collection of Bukhari. "Sahih" means,
more or less, "authentic", i.e., they are
regarded as authentic by Islamic
scholarship.


In Sahih Muslim, the Hadith related by
Mughirah ibn Shu'bah, #5326, says:

"When I came to Najran, they (the
Christians of Najran) asked me: You read
"Sister of Harun", (i.e. Mary), in the
Qur'an, WHERESA MOSES WAS BORN WELL BEFORE JESUS . When I came back to
Allah's Messenger I asked him about
that, and he said: "The (people of the old
age) used to give names (to their
persons) after the names of Apostle and
pious persons who had gone before
them."" [Sahih Muslim, translated by
Abdul Siddiqi].

This hadith exposed muhammed illiteracy,the people of the old age never adress saint's like this"sister" or "brother" the christians in najran recognised his mistake the truth is that non of the pious saint's are adress by "sister"or "brother" they are ONLY adress as "SON" and" DAUGHTER" or "FATHER" Abraham is referred to as "father" by the Jews in John 8:38. But never are these people called, "brothers or sisters" after any of the previous saints.

Further, they (the christians in najran) did not recognize the technique or model in which this idiom was used. Had they known the custom that Muhammad said existed, of people
calling other people "brother" or "sister"
of ancient pious people, like possibly,
"sister of Moses", "brother of David",
"sister of Abraham", "brother of Isaac",
they would have understood what the
Quran was saying and raised no
objection. But both the idiom, and the
model in which it is used, were foreign to them.

This passage is an example of muhammed saying the Jews accepts Jesus as there messiah. There are sooo many error in the quran.
Christianity Etc › Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by malvisguy212: 9:28pm On Mar 13, 2015
FrancisTony:
His question was kinda confusing. cheesy

Okay:
1) Eve came from Adam...
New Adam came from New Eve

2) Virgin(Eve) listens to Serpent.
Virgin listens to the Angel.

3) Eve gives birth to sin and death.
New Eve gives birth to grace and salvation.

4) Eve and Adam cause the fall of man.
New Eve and New Adam cause the salvation.

5) Eve is the mother of all living.
New Eve is the mother of who live in Christ.
Luke1:43 "But why is this granted to me, that the Mother of my Lord should come to me?"

6. Enmity between Eve and Satan.
Enmity between New Eve and Satan.


Now, who is the New Eve? Be truthful. tongue
I will not called Mary eve, I will just say "it is a forestshadowing event that will happened in the future"if we can go by your bible interpretation, then Isaac is Jesus, why? Because there are similarities between Jesus and Isaac.
1.it take 3 day for Abraham to reach the mountain were God direct him to do the sacrifice.it takes 3 days before Jesus was crucified
2.Isaac carry the wood that will used for his sacrifice.Jesus carry his own cross.
3.the very mountain where God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Isaac is the same mountain Jesus was crucified.
4.Both willingly allow themselves to be
offered in sacrifice [Genesis 22:7-8;
Colossians 2:6-8].
5.the" mountain" is about father and son, Abraham and his son Isaac,David and his son solomon meet God at the same mountain and Jesus and God at the same mountain.
6.Both sons were "resurrected" or "given
back" the their fathers on the third day.
Isaac was essentially "dead" to his
grieving father when God commanded
him to sacrifice his son. On the "third
day" God provided another sacrifice
and his son was restored. God's son
died on the Cross and was resurrected
on the third day!.

This is a forestshadowing event on how God will offer his son Jesus on the cross, should we called Isaac Jesus? NO.
Islam › Re: Christians (evangelism) And Their Deceptions by malvisguy212: 6:31pm On Mar 13, 2015
Empiree:
The most common questions asked by Christian missionaries against Islam

By Dr. Zakir Naik
http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm

Question :Is it not true that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) has copied the Qur’an from the Bible?

Answer: Many critics allege that Prophet Muhummad (pbuh) himself was not the author of the Qur’an but he learnt it and/or plagiarized (copied or adapted) it from other human sources or from previous scriptures or revelations.

1.THE FIRST ALLEGATION THAT THE PROPHET MUHUMMAD (PBUH) LEARNT THE QUR’AN FROM A ROMAN BLACKSMITH WHO WAS A CHRISTIAN

Some Pagans accused the Prophet of learning the Qur’an from a Roman Blacksmith, who was a Christian staying at the outskirts of Makkah. The Prophet very often used to go and watch him do his work. A revelation of the Qur’an was sufficient to dismiss this charge - the Qur’an says in Surah
An-Nahl chapter 16 verse 103: "We know indeed that they say, ‘It is a man that teaches him,’ The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear." [Al-Qur’an 16:103]
How could a person whose mother tongue was foreign and could hardly speak little but of poor broken Arabic be the source of the Qur’an which is pure, eloquent, fine Arabic? To believe that the blacksmith taught the Prophet the Qur’an is some what similar to believing that a Chinese immigrant to England, who did not know proper English, taught Shakespeare.

2.THE SECOND ALLEGATION THAT THE PROPHET MUHUMMAD (PBUH) LEARNT FROM WARAQA - THERELATIVE OF KHADIJAH (RA)

Muhummad’s (pbuh) contacts with the Jewish and Christian Scholars were very limited. The most prominent Christian known to him was an old blind man called Waraqa ibn-Naufal who was a relative of the Prophet’s first wife Khadijah (r.a.). Although of Arab descent, he was a convert to Christianity
and was very well versed with the New Testament. The Prophet only met him twice, first when Waraqa was worshipping at the Kaaba (before the Prophetic Mission) and he kissed the Prophet’s forehead affectionately; the second occasion was when the Prophet went to meet Waraqa after receiving the first revelation. Waraqa died three years later and the revelation continued for about 23 years. It is ridiculous to assume that Waraqa was the source of the contents of the Qur’an.

3.THE THIRD ALLEGATION ABOUT THE PROPHET’S RELIGIOUS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS

It is true that the Prophet did have religious discussions with the Jews and Christians but they took place in Madinah more than 13 years after the revelation of the Qur’an had started. The allegation that these Jews and Christians were the source is perverse, since in these discussions Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh) was performing the roles of a teacher and of a preacher while inviting them to embrace Islam and pointing out that they had deviated from their true teachings of Monotheism. Several of these Jews and Christians later embraced Islam.


4.THE FOURTH ALLEGATION THAT THE PROPHET LEARNT THE QUR’AN FROM THOSE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS THAT HE MET OUTSIDE ARABIA

All historical records available show that the prophet Muhummad (pbuh) had made only three trips outside Makkah before his Prophethood: At the age of 9 he accompanied his mother to Madinah.
Between the age of 9 and 12, he accompanied his uncle Abu-Talib on a business trip to Syria.
At the age of 25 he (pbuh) led Khadija’s (r.a) Caravan to Syria. It is highly imaginary to assume that the Qur’an resulted from the occasional chats and meetings with the Christians or Jews from any of the above three trips.


5.LOGICAL GROUNDS TO PROVE THAT THE PROPHET (PBUH) DID NOT LEARN THE QUR’AN FROM JEWS OR CHRISTIANS
The day-to-day life of the Prophet (pbuh) was an open book for all to see. In fact a revelation came asking people to give the Prophet (pbuh) privacy in his own home. If the Prophet had been meeting people who told him what to say as a revelation from God, this would not have been hidden for very long. The extremely prominent Quraish nobles who followed the Prophet (pbuh) and accepted Islam were wise and intelligent men who would have easily noticed anything suspicious about the way in which the Prophet brought the revelations to them - more so since the Prophetic mission lasted 23 years. The enemies of the Prophet (pbuh) kept a close watch on him in order to find proof for their claim that he was a liar - they could not point out even a single instance when the Prophet may have had a secret rendezvous with particular Jews and Christians. It is inconceivable that any human author of the Qur’an would have accepted a situation in which he received no credit whatsoever for originating the Qur’an. Thus, historically and logically it cannot be established that there was a
human source for the Qur’an.

Continue >>>>>
when waraqa(a jew) died what makes the revelation pause?
Christianity Etc › Re: Our Source Of Power As Christians. by malvisguy212: 6:19pm On Mar 13, 2015
Pr0ton:
@Malvisguy212

You are asking me what my contribution is? Are you now comparing with your God? Has your God become so useless and "humanilized"? Isn't your God all-powerful and everywhere? You are asking a mere human like me who lives in the South West to intervene to the crisis in the North in order to hide your omnscient and omnipresent God? Has God become such a useless thing?

I've been in a haste so many times rushing into rooms to pick stuffs spending almost a minute and totally unaware and unconscious of the presence of people in the room. Does that mean God is using magic on them too? Or it's just my nerves of rushing that didn't make me notice them?

And then again, God spared your life and allowed many others' to go with the crisis? He also allowed many houses and churches to be burnt? Is this God working or nature playing its way?
when an atheists face a possibility that God exist, they started blasphemy God, your post is not the first I've notice,many atheists here acts the same way, I don't condemned you for being an atheists,but the points is that you guys blasphemy his name forgotten the facts that you may be wrong.for me this is not ordinary,there is satanic manipulation going on some
where.
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 6:12pm On Mar 13, 2015
Abuamam:
No. Their statement was made mockingly. The jews actually called him the "messiah" and "apostle of Allah" as a snide reference to his own claims, boasting of how they killed him an accursed death (by hanging). In a way to them, it disproves his claims to being the messiah.
you mean,Allah made mockery of the Jews?if you read this account in its entirety from Surah 4:153 to Surah 4:162, you will notice it is Allah who is talking and the statement do not sound like mockery because when someone boast, it does not mean mockery, it was a fact.
Christianity Etc › Re: Our Source Of Power As Christians. by malvisguy212: 4:52pm On Mar 13, 2015
Pr0ton:
Why not start by delivering the poor Chibok girlshuh NOW.

Why not start by curing Ebola in Liberiahuh NOW.

Why not pray for the total seizing of Boko Haram that disturb your religion and kill your fellows like chickenshuh

Why not start by making jobless Nigerian youth get jobhuh

Are these problems too huge for your power to solvehuh If no, why not solve them NOWhuh
what is you contribution regarding the situation you just listed? Have you been doing enough?

I experience religion crisis,many life's is lost and soo many houses where burn, both in 1992 and 2000(twice) the church has been helpful to the needy the church I attended bought some items shere it out to those who lost there property,infacte in the refugees camp,the church feed the poor 3 times a day,believe me, I am a living witnesses of all this. All this things happened no group came to our help except the church,although the red cross provide food for few days and never return.God made some people invincible that the enemy could not see them, my pastor wife was amoung the people God saved,the enemy came into the house removed all the property they wanted to burn them(any attempt to burn the house, the fire will affect their houses) God made this woman invincible, infacte the seat she was seating on, the enemy could not see her and the seat but when she stand up, they spot the seat and bring it out. Believe me my friend,I witnesses all this, there are soo many people giving testimony how God saved them. I witness it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 4:25pm On Mar 13, 2015
Abuamam:
The infinitive form of a verb is always written in its present form. It should be "to WRITE".
do the Jews believe that Jesus is the messiah?
Christianity Etc › Re: Challenge Go All Atheists, Agnostics, Deists And Liberals And Freethinkers by malvisguy212: 4:24pm On Mar 13, 2015
onetrack:
No I am atheist.
so there is no way this God will side with you because you don't believe in Him,infacte most of you guys blasphemy His name.

I don't condemned you for being an atheists,but the points is that you guys blasphemy his name forgotten the facts that you may be wrong.for me this is not ordinary,there is satanic manipulation going on some where, that is how satan urged rebellion against God, he used eve,first deny the statement made by God (God dint say anything caused He isn't there) then contradicts the supposed word of God and then claimed equality with God.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Last State Doctrine by malvisguy212: 4:11pm On Mar 13, 2015
TheAgba:
Sorry,I don't know what to term this doctrine , so I just decided to use"last state".
.
Please I need a biblical proof that supports the doctrine that even if you are a sinner or wicked all through your life but repent before you die, you will make eternal life ?
.
And most importantly,I need a biblical support that when someone who is righteous or who has been righteous sins at a point before death comes, the person won't make eternal life or have it ?

.
malvisguy212 , Gombs and the rest.
Gombs made a very good points,an example is on the cross, our Lord crucified together with two criminals,one of the criminal at the point of death ask for forgiveness(the bible say God search the heart and the bible aslo say God knows our worry before we could even ask) Jesus the son of God knows this criminal heart and our Lord knows that the thief genuinely ask for forgiveness that why He forgive him.

Before we can examine whether a
believer can be secure in his salvation,
we need to understand how we are
saved according to the Bible. In many
religions it is believed that a person goes to heaven if one's good deeds outweigh ones bad deeds
. However, the Bible says that sins (bad
deeds) keep a person out of heaven,
regardless of good deeds, since God is
completely without sin and cannot have
fellowship with a sinner. When Jesus
first taught this concept, the disciples
were astonished and asked "Who then
can be saved?" Jesus' response was
"With man this is impossible, but with
God all things are possible." ( Matthew
19:26) So, the Bible says that salvation is
a WORK OF GOD, based upon belief in
Jesus Christ.
Christianity Etc › Re: Question: Did Jesus Read The Bible? by malvisguy212: 9:52am On Mar 13, 2015
Abuamam:
Lol. I see you guys are still trying to reason with them. How is the impossible task going?
who inspired muhammed to wrote this nonsense;

Surah 4:157: And their saying:
Surely we have killed the MESSIAH,
Isa son of Marium, the messenger
of Allah; and they did not kill him
nor did they crucify him, but it
appeared to them so (like Isa) and
most surely those who differ therein
are only in a doubt about it; they
have no knowledge respecting it, but
only follow a conjecture, and they
killed him not for sure. (Shakir)

The people that are "saying" here is the Jews, why will the Jews killed the messiah whom they are waiting for?and they are boasting about it!!! Uptil today the Jews are waiting for the messiah,it make no sense for them to killed him, muhammed is confused here, he did not knew what he was writing.

The reason the Jews killed Jesus is because He did not deny being called God and He claimed to be the MESSIAH this gives the Jew reason to killed him. It must be remembered that the Jewish religious leaders even objected when Pilate wrote a title saying, “King of the Jews.” (John 19:19-22). It is, therefore, illogical for the Jews to boastfully say that “we have killed the Messiah” when they did not accept Jesus as the Messiah in the first place.
Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Found Ancient Confessions Proving Jesus Story Was Made Up by malvisguy212: 7:13am On Mar 13, 2015
pashaun:
I know. Christians don't want to hear it!

Clearly the Romans were mocking the Jews and laughing at these stupid christians for believing the shit they created lol Religion was the primary way of controlling the masses and making money.
the same Jesus I see? Two times and he called me by my name. The devil is a liar.

confess your sin and be saved,there is still hope for you, the world or your world may end any moment from now and you will give account of your self.
(the world may end by the coming of christ or your world may end now or tomorrow)
Christianity Etc › Re: ISIS Fighter Converts To Christianity After A Clinical Death Experience by malvisguy212: 6:59am On Mar 13, 2015
RoyPCain:
its his reality. he was a disbeliever in Islam because he was not practicing what Muhammad [A] brought. God exposed him so that he can go to what he belongs; out of Islam.
in the quran and hadith, we read how muhammed fought war and encourage his followers to die in his (Allah)cause,now If you teach a child that the Qur'an is perfect and absolutely right. If you teach your child that Mohammad is
perfect and absolutely right, how far is
it from there to see that same child
standing rejoicing over the death of
the unbelievers?
An idea is a dangerous thing, and the
Qur'an provides more than ideas for
teenagers, it provides blue prints.

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