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Mezie01:
Since u r good at surfing here,I will like u to check these??

Who killed Prophet Muhammad by David Wood?

Top Ten Verses for Understanding ISIS by David Wood

Just Google it out

thank you very much for This Info. God bless you.

[quote author=tola9ja post=30928082][/quote]how is all this nonsense an answer to my question? I don't even know the points you are trying to prove.

Mezie01:
By d way,have u come across d burning of some Quran part??

yes,you may want to check out this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1970166/lying-deity

tola9ja:
you mean this question ''how many father did jesus have? answer Luke 3:32

simple

“Since Jesus is addressed
as a ‘SON’ by the angel Gabriel both in
the Qur’an (Surah 19:19) and in the Bible
(Luke 1:35), WHOSE SON IS HE?”
Is it Mary’s? In Surah 19:19, the angel
Gabriel said to Mary: “I am only a
messenger of thy LORD, to announce to
thee the gift of a holy son .” Here,
Gabriel refers to a SON who was to be
given as a “GIFT” by God to Mary. Since
the Qur’an makes it very clear that the
son is a GIFT from God, it shows that
Mary was only the recipient of that gift.
She is not the source of that gift but God.
The gift belongs to God. The gift was a
son.
Therefore, the son belongs to God
which means the son was His or His
son. In other words, God’s son. This
testifies to the Gospel truth that Jesus is
the Son of God.
Pleased open your eyes, JESUS IS THE
SON OF GOD.

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY PROPHET
WHO IS DECLARED “HOLY” OR
“FAULTLESS” IN THE QUR’AN

The Angel said to Mary:
Surah 19:19: ““He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.” (Pickthall)

The Arabic word, “zakiyya” (faultless)
implies that Jesus was totally without sin. Among mankind, only Jesus Christ is described as faultless or sinless in both the Qur’an and the Bible.

Take note of the following examples in the Qur’anthat shows that even the great prophets sinned and required God’s forgiveness:
ADAM
Surah 7:23: They said: “Our Lord, we
have wronged our own souls. If thou
FORGIVES us not and bestow not upon
us Thy mercy, we shall certainly be
lost.” (Yusuf Ali)

ABRAHAM
Surah 26:82: “And Who I hope will
forgive me my FAULT on the Day of
Judgment.” (Sher Ali)
MOSES
Surah 28:16: “He prayed: ‘O my Lord!
I have indeed wronged my soul! Do
Thou then FORGiVE me!’ So God
forgave him.” (Yusuf Ali)
DAVID
Surah 38:24: “And David gathered
that We had tried him; he asked
forgiveness of His Lord, fell down,
bowing in prostration, and turned to
God in repentance.” (Yusuf Ali)
SOLOMON
Surah 38:35: “He said, ‘O my Lord!
Forgiveme’…” (Yusuf Ali)
JONAH
Surah 37:142-144: “Then the big Fish
did swallow him, and he had done
acts worthy of blame. Had it not
been that he repented and glorified
God, he would certainly have
remained inside the fish.” (Yusuf Ali)
The Qur’an also testifies that even
Muhammad is a sinner and is in need of
forgiveness.
MUHAMMAD
Surah 48:1-2: “Lo! We have given thee
O Muhammad a signal victory, That
Allah may FORGIVE THEE of thy SIN
that which is past and that which is to
come.” (Pickthall)
Surah 47:19: “So know (O
Muhammad) that there is no God
save Allah, and ask forgiveness for
thy sin and for believing men and
believing women. Allah knoweth
(both) your place of turmoil and your
place of rest.” (Pickthall)

THE ONLY EXCEPTION – JESUS CHRIST

1 Peter 2:22: “He (Jesus) committed
no sin, and no deceit was found in his
mouth.”

Tola9ja,rilwayn001. This is the question I wish you guys should answer;

Both the Qur’an and the Bible tell us very clearly that Jesus had no human father and was sinless .
We must therefore ask ourselves this
vital question, “Since Jesus is addressed
as a ‘SON’ by the angel Gabriel both in
the Qur’an (Surah 19:19) and in the Bible (Luke 1:35), WHOSE SON IS HE?”
Is it Mary’s? In Surah 19:19, the angel
Gabriel said to Mary: “I am only a
messenger of thy LORD, to announce to
thee the gift of a holy son .” Here,
Gabriel refers to a SON who was to be
given as a “GIFT” by God to Mary. Since
the Qur’an makes it very clear that the
son is a GIFT from God, it shows that Mary was only the recipient of that gift. She is not the source of that gift but God. The gift belongs to God. The gift was a son.
Therefore, the son belongs to God
which means the son was His or His
son. In other words, God’s son. This
testifies to the Gospel truth that Jesus is
the Son of God.
Pleased open your eyes, JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD.

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY PROPHET
WHO IS DESCRIBED AS A “SPIRIT FROM
GOD”
In Islam, Jesus is given the title,
Ruhullah, meaning “Spirit of God.”

Surah 4:171: “The Messiah, Jesus son
of Mary, was (no more than) an
apostle of Allah, and His Word, which
He bestowed on Mary, and a SPIRIT
FROM HIM.”

The words used in Surah 4:171 are
ruhun-minhu, “a Spirit from him.”
Thus, the Qur’an clearly describes the
human, Jesus, as a Spirit from God
himself. With Jesus being the only
exception, no humans are ever depicted
as such. However, no attempt is made to explain this absolutely unique statement of belief in the Qur’an. Yet, the Qur’an strongly supports the Christian belief that Jesus was a pre-existing Spirit creature who took on a human form.

Surah 4:171 presupposes that Jesus
existed before he was conceived by a
virgin-woman. For the Qur’an to identify Jesus as a Spirit from God who was committed to Mary indicates that he was with God even before he was given to her. It is the closest the Qur’an comes to admitting the pre-existence of Jesus before his conception on earth. The lack of any explanation of its significance, however, suggests that Muhammad heard and adopted Christian teachings and titles applying to Jesus without understanding them or seeing their ominous implications that Jesus was more than a prophet. Jesus was a Spirit before he came to earth as a human. The Bible, in no uncertain term, testifies to this divine truth:

John 16:28: “I came out from the
Father and have come into the world.
Further, I am leaving the world and
am going my way to the Father.”

If Jesus was spoken in Qur’an as “The
Word of God” and as “A Spirit from
God” then these two statements would
make Jesus more than a prophet
because no man can be called by such
titles. Such titles would be appropriate
only for the one who is the unique Son
of God.

Binb:
@truthman this thread is about contradiction in the bible, it appears you cannot address the contradictions in the bible and you are ashamed to admit that so the next thing is to derail the thread. If you want us to discuss the Glorious Qur'an create another thread. if you want answers to claims of contradictions in the Qur'an you may visit this link and read the detailed rebuttal by Islamic Scholars: http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/quranerr.htm

NB did you notice any insult or name calling in my post, why cant you be decent enough to make your point without insulting islam or its tenets

read this link, it answer ALL THE CONTRADICTION in the op. http://www.reformed.org/master/index.html?mainframe=/bible/boettner/inspire4.html

Mezie01:
Malvis,u did a great job here..Actually,av been following many Christian apologist for long so as to boost myself.Now,m not good at dis socialized stuff of a thing..But I have so many articles on Muhammad
Like Did Allah kill Muhammad??
Did Muhammad ever took alcohol?
How prophet Muhammad hid Jesus' identity?
Did they bible prophesy abt Muhammad?
All written down manually.. I have so much articles but I don't know how to post dem hia because its too long to type

Will u help me out ?

thank you my brothe,there are a lot of question we need to ask this Muslims, God will not wait for over 600 years before sending muhammed to say "Jesus is not the son of God" what about thoes who have died believing Jesus is the son of God,who gonna take the blame for there unbelief?God or satan?

Do it step by step, if you post a long comment,the viewers will not get the time to read it all.even me u have so many questions to ask this Muslims but am waiting for the day my ban will expired in the Islamic section.thank you

Alone90:
Pls poster, ur knowledge for d Quran is poor and little. Even d Bible disclaimed the fact that jesus is a son of God in d begotten nature. As a Godly person, a saint person and a prophet of God, he is a son of God. But if u say a begotten son, then ur language is not befitting God. Because begetting is an animal act, it belongs to the lower animal function of sex. And we are not to attribute such a quality to God.
Pls go 2 d bible, 82dn psalm, it says 'ye are Gods and all of u r d children of d most high' and in so many other places in d bible(old and new testament), people (jews) are called either Gods or sons of God. To this we muslims have no problem. It means they are Godly pple and not begotten sosn of God. That is blasphemy. Thank you


And remember Jesus was refered to as 'the son of man' 83 times in the new testament but only 13 times he is called 'son of God'. So 70 more times he is being addressed as the son of man, only to remind you of this misconception of him being a legitimate or begotten son of God

All what you wrote are your own interpretation,the op is clear,the quran called Jesus the spirit and word of God,why? The quran never state the reason for giving Jesus this title.

We are called the sons of God, infacte we are god because we are created in his image and likeness but after satan deceive man,man lost everything,that why Jesus had to be born of the spirit or God ,once you believe in him, you shall be called "son's of God" to know who Jesus really is ,read colossian 1 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Colossians%201:15-20

Jesus son of man, WHO WAS THE MAN? If you don't know the father of Jesus you do not know the true God.

Rilwayne001:
Not funny, perhaps you have nothing to say?




As you can see his response he didnt bother to reply the four underlined statements. I want you to reconcile those outlined four statements to your claim that jesus is yahweh. Do you want me to copy and paste that post again?

As for the other verse you provide...I will touch it after you address the ones i provided.

the underlined statement was making the same points. His human nature.
https://www.nairaland.com/2156788/conclusive-evidence-quran-proof-jesus

tola9ja:
you mean this question ''how many father did jesus have? answer Luke 3:32

simple

thank you for your time.
https://www.nairaland.com/2156788/conclusive-evidence-quran-proof-jesus

Adam was created without the agency of
a human father or mother because, as
the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of
creation was necessary at the beginning
of the world of mankind. Someone had to be created first. But in the case of Jesus, he was born without a human father when God’s natural process of
procreation had long been in existence.
Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special relationship with the One who was the architect of this miraculous conception – a relationship that is shared by no other prophet. The birth of no other prophet has been anything as remotely close as the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ.

To deny that God does anything without
a purpose behind it amounts to a denial
of God himself. ( Surah 38:27) In the
Qur’an, it is the very absence of such a
clearly defined purpose in the unique
conception of Jesus, which perplexes the seeker of truth as to the meaning behind this miraculous birth.

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY PROPHET
WHO IS CALLED THE “WORD OF GOD”

Surah 3:45: Behold! The angels said:
“O Mary! Allah giveth Thee glad
tidings of a Word from Him: his
name will be Christ Jesus. The son
of Mary, held in honor in this world
and the Hereafter and of (the
company of) those nearest to
Allah;” (Yusuf Ali)

Surah 4:171: “Christ Jesus the son of
Mary was (no more than) an apostle
of God, and His Word, which he
bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit
proceeding from him: so believe in
God and His apostles.” (Yusuf Ali)

In Surah 4:171, Jesus is called, “His
Word.” And in Surah 3:45 the Qur’an
states that Allah gave Mary a glad tidings “of a Word from Him.” In the original Arabic, the expression used here is “kalimatim-minhu.” It means kalmia (word), min (from), hu (him). It is of vital importance for Muslims to note that Jesus is the only Prophet who ever lived, who is called a Word from God.

Centuries before the Qur’an came into
existence, this same title was given to
Jesus in the Bible:

John 1:14: “And the Word became
flesh and made is dwelling among
us. We have seen his glory, the glory
of the one and only Son who came
from the father, and he was full of
undeserved kindness and truth.”

Revelation 19:13: “…the name by
which he is called is the Word of
God.”

But why is Jesus called the “Word of
God”? In view of the fact that the Qur’an
attributes this title to Jesus without
explanation, it is in the Bible that we find the ultimate meaning of this term. He is designated as such not only during his life here on earth but also during his pre- human spirit existence in heaven.

Islam, in no uncertain terms, denies the
Sonship of Jesus Christ. However, the
Qur’an provides numerous internal
evidences that testify to the Biblical truth that Jesus is indeed the Son of God. The testimonies regarding Jesus in the Qur’an itself clearly show that he is more than a prophet.

One of the most important points of
agreement between Islam and Christianity concerns the conception of
Jesus is the virgin birth.but the quran does not clearly state the reason of the virgin birth.

The Qur’an teaches that the virgin-birth
of Jesus was simply a manifestation of
God’s power>>>> Surah 3:47: “She said: My Lord! How can I have a child when no mortal hath touched me? He said: So it will be. Allah createth what HE WIlL. If
he decreeth a thing, He saith unto it
only: BE! And it is.” (Pickthall)

The truth of the matter is that the virgin- birth of Jesus Christ was not a random manifestation of God’s creative power as implied in the Qur’an. While the fact that it was brought about by the power of God is without any doubt, however, this in itself does not explain its meaning or purpose. What necessity was there to give a new demonstration of this power? The Qur’an itself teaches that the mere fact that God could create men out of nothing is surely proof that God can raise them from the dead;

Surah 22:5: “O mankind! If ye have a
doubt about the Resurrection,
consider that We created you out of
dust…” (Yusuf Ali)

As such, Allah is saying that no proof of
the ultimate resurrection is needed for
the unbelievers since his initial act of
creation is sufficient for man to perceive
his creative powers. In other words, there no need for Allah to show his creative work as long as he can create man.

Why was the virgin-birth of Jesus a
necessity? Surely, God would not do such an unusual act without reason if it were unnecessary. He would cause the virgin- birth to take place only if it was utterly necessary to do so. Something must have required that Jesus be born in this way.The virgin-birth is an article of faith, which is repeatedly upheld in the Qur’an, and yet we find that there is no explanation for the miraculous birth. In the Qur’an we are assured that, it took place, but we are not told why. However, the answer is made clear in the Bible. It tells us that unlike all other prophets, Jesus is the unique Son of God. Thus, it is absolutely necessary that he be born of a virgin-woman if he comes in the likeness of men.

This is indeed what the angel told Mary
when he came to explain the miraculous conception:

Luke 1:32: “He will be great and will
be called the Son of the Most High.”

Luke 1:35: “Therefore the child to be
born will be called holy, the SON OF
GOD.”

In the Gospel, the virgin-birth is also
shown as a vital link in the out-working of God’s purpose for the salvation of
mankind. It was the very heart of God’s
divine purpose to redeem fallen
mankind who by their sinful nature was
subjected to futility. (See Romans 8:20).
Therefore, mankind’s salvation – your
salvation – is essentially linked to the
gaining of an accurate knowledge of the
divine purpose behind the miraculous
birth of Jesus Christ. Let us now look at
other evidences in the Qur’an that points to the Sonship of God

The contradiction the op quoted from the bible was "the word spoken by men" but the contradiction truthman2012 quoted is the word of Allah, the Muslim claimed was that the quran comes directly from heaven, will God make soo many error?

Op read here and see how Allah change his revelation https://www.nairaland.com/2121425/allahs-invalidate-own-revelation

Rilwayne001:
LETS START FROM HERE.

John 8:40 - - “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this......Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me ..... He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.".... I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge.

The above are the words of jesus acording to John 8... Who is this God that Jesus was refering to in this chapter?*

Lets check the words of Yahweh which are contrary to the underlined above.

First underlined. - Numbers 23:19 God is not man,

Second underlined - "which I HEARD from GOD" read Amos 3:7

Third underlined - Isaiah 44:24 says that Yahweh was alone when he created the heavens and the earth. Matthew 12:18 quotes Isaiah 42:1 which says that Yahweh will send his servant, who xtians claim to be Jesus. Now if Yahweh was the one true God (Exodus 20:2-3) who alone created the heavens and the earth and he was the one who was to send his servant (Jesus), does this mean Jesus is Yahweh?

Fourth underlined: What Yahweh said: Isa 42:8 "I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.
What Jesus said: "I AM NOT SEEKING GLORY FOR MYSELF…BUT THERE IS ONE WHO SEEKS IT AND HE IS THE JUDGE" Jesus doesnt seek glory and testify that there is one who seeks it, who is this person? also jesus said the person is the JUDGE.

Are you still affirming your post up here?





Face topic



Mary the mother of jesus was created isnt it? without mary a creature how could you alleged God come to the world?

you need a serious lessons about this. Don't worry I will open a thread soon.

When Jesus say,"the truth which I herd from God" he speak as a man
Acts17:31
For he has set a day when he will judge
the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead." this indicated the human nature of our Lord.
1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God and one mediator
between God and mankind, the man
Christ Jesus, this verse indicated the human nature of Jesus.

When Jesus say," the truth which Abraham did not tell you" what does it mean? Does it mean Abraham did not say the truth? O ye ignorant Muslim, Jesus is telling them that He was God and he did not revealed everything to Abraham, now reconciled it with this verse;
John 8:56
Your father Abraham rejoiced at the
thought of seeing my day; he saw it and
was glad."

Since tola9ja was unable to answer my question, can you try? JESUS,SON OF MAN,wWHO WAS THE MAN?

Empiree:
Rubbish! Where is evidence for this bold allegations ?

Colossians 1:15-23New International
Version (NIV)
The Supremacy of the Son of God

15 The Son is the image of the invisible
God, the firstborn over all creation. 16
For in him all things were created: things
in heaven and on earth, visible and
invisible, whether thrones or powers or
rulers or authorities; all things have been
created through him and for him. 17 He
is before all things, and in him all things
hold together. 18 And he is the head of
the body, the church; he is the beginning
and the firstborn from among the dead,
so that in everything he might have the
supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to
have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and
through him to reconcile to himself all
things, whether things on earth or things
in heaven, by making peace through his
blood, shed on the cross.

tola9ja:
BETWEEN THE CREATION OF JESUS AND ADAM WHICH 1 IS THE GREATEST ?

answering a question with a question.

Adam was the first man, how do you expect him to be created? The quran has block your sense of reasoning.

The quran say Jesus is the spirit and word of God ,non other prophet has all this, and God interrupt the process of procreation just for Jesus to have the virgin birth. Surly Jesus is greater than all other prophet.

Liekiller visit the link for more

In a 1798 publication called “An Essay on
the Principle of Population” Malthus
suggested that planned food shortages
could be used to decrease the
population of the poor through
starvation. This was the root for the idea
of “population control”, because a large
population is very difficult for the elite to
manage while retaining their own wealth
and power. Malthus suggested that the
streets should be made narrower and
more people should be crowded into
living quarters to encourage conditions
that would bring back the plague. In that
same essay he said that villages should
be built next to stagnant pools where
germs could fester and all remedies and
cures would only be available to those
who could afford it.
In his own words
“we are bound in justice and honor
formally to disclaim the right of the poor
to support. To this end, I should propose
a regulation be made declaring that no
child born should ever be entitled to
parish assistance. This infant is
comparatively speaking, of little value to
society , as others will immediately
supply its place…All children beyond
what would be required to keep up the
population to this level must perish,
unless room be made for them by the
deaths of grown persons.” [1]
In so many words what he was
suggesting was establishing a national
limit on child births, and executing any
child that was born past that limit. In the
times of Malthus many elite circles were
publicly speculating that if the world’s
population were to exceed 3 billion
people there would be mass famine and
destruction of all the resources on earth.
Obviously, they were all very wrong.

Liekiller:
I did take the time to read it, thank you. I have a feeling you didn't though
Seriously, we have a problem here if you don't know the difference between atheism and eugenics, and then come around with a text from a conspiracy theory website to make a point that remains mysterious to me. Try again.

the very thing you accused christians of that's what you just did,go and read it and see for your self
.
Darwin was a respected man in atheism,right?
Let me past some interesting passages;

In Darwin’s time there was an idea
among the nobility that their genetics
were superior to those of the rest of
society. Many families including Darwin’s
took this belief to extreme levels by
practicing incest as a tradition.
They thought that if adolescents were to
marry within their own family then not
only would all the wealth stay in the
family, but the “good” genes would also.
This also ensured that the family
fortunes would be retained for many
future generations. This practice is very
common in aristocratic families, which
explains why they are all extremely
mentally unstable. Darwin came from a
very classist and racist elite level of
society and that is reflected in his work,
especially “The Descent of Man”.
One of the most famous cases of royal
incest is found in the Hapsburg dynasty
that produced rulers in Spain, Austria,
Hungary, Belgium, the Netherlands and
the German empire. Around 1700 the
Spanish branch of this empire fell apart
suddenly and died off.

The ruling class of every nation is
obsessed with breeding and is using the
best of our advanced technology and
medical science to guarantee that their
heirs will be somehow thoroughbred.
Since the aristocracy has been practicing
selective breeding for centuries they are
under the impression that they are
already of a superior stock to the rest of
humanity, thanks to the “care” that their
ancestors took in breeding. This is of
course just an egotistical delusion that
justifies their exploitative treatment
towards the rest of humanity.
Darwin’s other dehumanizing ideology is
his “survival of the fittest” mantra.
Darwin didn’t just come up with this
philosophy out of thin air, this was
actually an idea that has been
traditionally held by families of nobility
since before the Middle Ages. It was this
philosophy that the aristocracy used to
justify their inhumane treatment of the
serfs and peons that built their empires
and tended to their fields.

tola9ja:
WHO IS THE FATHER OF ADAM AND EVE ?

Adam was created without the agency of a human father or mother because, as the first man on earth, he could not have had earthly parents. Such an act of creation was necessary at the beginning of the world of mankind. Someone had to be created first. But in the case of Jesus, he was born without a human father when God’s natural process of procreation had long been in existence.
Here we see God interrupting the course of nature, and overriding the very laws of procreation that he had himself established, in order that Christ might thus have a virgin-birth. Why? Surely such an act could not have been without meaning. It points to the profound truth that Jesus Christ held a very special relationship with the One who was the architect of this miraculous conception – a relationship that is shared by no other prophet. The birth of no other prophet has been anything as remotely close as the miraculous conception of Jesus Christ.

NOW,ANSWER MY QUESTION,
Jesus son of man,who was the man?
Why will God interrupt the process of procreation just because of Jesus?

davidylan:
The problem with folks like you is you cannot debate the science on which you base your unbelief. You rather hide your ignorance by calling others names. Let me throw the challenge again... Set up a thread purely to talk about the science of evolution and let's thrash it out. No religion... Just pure common sense and hard care chemistry and molecular biology/genetics. All this unserious waffling about religious people when your entire belief system is wrapped up in blind adherence to the church of pseudoscience is laughable.

God bless you bro, I love your first post.

Op, I really wish you could take all the time you needed and read through this link,see how atheism is evil. Please my sister read it https://www.intellihub.com/darwinism-eugenics-and-the-silent-genocide/

truthman2012:
Allah of muslims is actually satan in disguise. There was an idol named allah and it was amoung the 360 deities in Kaaba. That was the god they worshiped in Muhammad's family. It was that idol (allah) satan used to establish islam because it bears a name meaning God in Arabic. Mutaleb, Muhammad's grandpa was a worshiper of allah and that was why he named Muhammad's father AbduAllah (Abdullai) i.e servant of allah. Muhammad was already worshiping allah as a pagan before islam.

unfortunately they (Muslims) are not encourage to ask question that threatened there belief.
God bless you for this information.

truthman2012:
Good.

Some of them might have discovered the truth but are afraid to declare it. I know a muslim, who after conversion was still going to the mosque but was bowing down calling the name of Jesus silently till he was safe to declare his new faith openly. The Devil made it an offence to leave islam (apostasy).

God bless you, satan is very good in his trick,he know that the name of Jesus is above all name and he knows that God has exalted the name, so what the next plan satan have? Very simple,stop them from calling the name of Jesus,blackmail Jesus (which the quran did) lay false accusations against the name, sadly satan succeeded in all this accusations through the quran.

I tell you the truth, the Muslim are worshipping satan unknown to them.on many occasion in my dream,Jesus always appear to me as a lamb and saved me in there hand.

tartar9:
so that's the vague statement you use to justify your idolatory despite other numerous clear statements against it.you christains just want to worship a superhero.

jesus,son of man. WHO WAS THE MAN? The quran called Jesus spirit and word of God and the bible called Jesus 'son of God' HOW DO YOU RECONCILED ALL THIS? I put it to you,if you do not know the father of Jesus,you do not know the true God.

Soo many lies in the quran and inconsistency,on one verse the quran condemned christians and Jews and the other verse he promise the same christians and Jews heaven, I wonder why Muslim haven't discovered the lies in it.

tola9ja:
JESUS DIE? AND HE IS ACCURSED BY GOD?

is this the answer to my question? Did john the baptist died? I believe you understand my points that's why you don't want to answer my question, by now you must have discover the lies,if not then answer my simple question.

[quote author=tola9ja post=30840033][/quote]you say Jesus did not die? What about john the baptist? Did he died? Answer this question,then we can proceeds.

tola9ja:
where did i twist the word of the bible (cerebral stain) i don't need to disturb myself until you answer my question
https://www.nairaland.com/2098054/questions-all-reasonable-christians/2

you keep on derailing your thread by pasting other thread, you have never directly answer my question, you say Jesus son of man ,who is the man?

Let me show you were you misquote the word of God;

You quoted job25:4 and left out the word "mortal" this is what you quote;

Job 25:4Revised Standard Version (RSV)
4 How then can man be righteous
before God? How can he who is born of woman be clean
WHY DID YOU OMMIT THE WORD "MORTAL"?

This is the complete verse ;

Job25:4
How then can a mortal be
righteous before God?
How can one born of woman be
pure?
This versed shows how glorious
God is, and thence infers how
guilty and impure man is before

I choose to unfollow that your thread because you keep on going in cycles.

Ifeann:
Its not only satanic manipulation, its utter stupidity to Believe such nonsense from an Arab illiterate war mongering sex addict paedophile. Only a brainwashed closeminded muslim believes such nonsense.

God bless you, a blind man cannot lead a blind man,the foundation of Islam start with lies, and violence,muhammed received his revelation from the so called devil disguise angel Gabriel with violence and lies.

[quote author=tola9ja post=30833075][/quote]sorry if this is and insult to you, honestly you are one of the ignorance Muslim here. You quote job25:4 and left out some word,satan is manipulating you to twist the word of God.

Job25:4
How then can a mortal be righteous
before God?
How can one born of woman be pure?

This versed shows how glorious God is, and thence infers how guilty and impure man is before him, tola9ja your knowledge of the word of God is soo weak.
Hebrew5:7
In the days of his FlESH, Jesus offered up
prayers and supplications, with loud
cries and tears, to him who was able to
save him from death, and he was heard
because of his reverence.

Jesus has to nature, the nature of God and flesh, this verse was talking about his flesh nature, the quran and bible called him the spirit of God,meaning he has a Godly nature and the quran say he was just a man meaning he possessed the nature of man.

Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."
If you want to talk about the death of Jesus visit this thread,don't derailed your thread,we are discussing the deity of Jesus here https://www.nairaland.com/2008614/evidences-death-jesus-quran-prove

tola9ja:
AM TIRED OF UR FABRICATION BUT BEFORE I CAN REPLY YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION

https://www.nairaland.com/2098054/questions-all-reasonable-christians/2

very funny guy, derailing your own thread.

I CHALLENGE YOU TO POINTS OUT THE FABRICATION IN MY POST.

Dint your thread say "Jesus son of man"? Who is the man?the quran address Jesus by his mother name, IN WHAT CULTURE IS A MAN ADRESS BY HIS MOTHER NAME?WHO IS THE FATHER?

God will wait for 600 years before sending muhammed to say "Jesus is not the son of God"? This is pure satanic manipulation.