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Reallymilky:
It take more wisdom than u possess to understand the beauty of islam. Instead of lazing around compiling hadiths of the holy prophet and interpreting it with ur little wisdom...seek for knowledge and be open minded in viewing islam as a whole. U sound so shallow dat I don't even know ao to educate u.

what is the beauty of Islam? To commit adultery? There is nothing beauty in Islam.

Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3246:
Jabir b. ‘Abdullah and Salama b. al-
Akwa’ said: There came to us the
proclaimer of Allah’s Messenger
(pbuh) and said: Allah’s Messenger
(pbuh) has granted you permission
to benefit yourselves, i. e. to
contract TEMPORARY MARRIAGE with
women.

Surah 4:24
And all married women (are
forbidden unto you) save those
(captives) whom your right hands
possess. It is a decree of Allah for
you. (Pickthall)

This means that while a Muslim man is
prohibited from engaging in sex with a
married woman, there is an exception to
this rule if the married woman happens
to fall into his hands as a captive of war.
Under such circumstances, he is allowed to rape the married captive.this is adultery.

EnlightenedSoul:
OP, I don't think you understand the concept of god in monotheism.

lady, you don't understand the nature of Godliness , God will not ignored a single sin or compromise it. Thank you.

[quote author=tola9ja post=30345362][/quote]David commit adultery and you are comparing him with Allah? David was a sinner, he wrote the psalms and we can read how he repented of his sin, beside David is not the pillar of Christianity,Jesus is.

Even when Allah allow the Muslim to Mary 4 wives, he allow them temporary marriage.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 48,
Number 823:

Narrated By ‘Aisha : The Prophet
heard a man (reciting Qur’an) in the
Mosque, and he said, “May Allah
bestow His Mercy upon him. No
doubt, he made me remember such-
and such Verses of such-and-such
Surah WHICH I DROPPED (from my
memory).

Muhammad forgot some verses and one
of his friends reminded him of them.
However, when there was no one to
remind him, he claimed that these
verses have been abrogated by Allah. We
saw this to be true previously when two
of his followers told him that they had
forgotten some of the verses which he
had taught them. Muhammad told them
that these verses “have been abrogated,
thus, forget about it.” In truth, the
doctrine of abrogation is nothing more
than an implicit admission that the
Qur’an contradicts itself. This is true
because a verse is considered to be
abrogated only when two verses cannot
be reconciled with each other. In other
words, when two verses in the Qur’an
contradict each other.

HERE WHAT THE TRUE GOD SAY;
Isaiah 40:8: “The green grass has
dried up, the blossom has withered;
but as for the word of our God, it
will last to time indefinite.”

Psalms 119:89: “To time indefinite,
O Jehovah, Your word is stationed in
the heavens.”

1 Peter 1:25: “But the saying of
Jehovah endures forever.”

truthman2012:
Thank you bro, God bless you too.

Where is tbaba na? He has picked race.

Amen. No one can reply your first post.

tbaba1234:
Nonsense, when will you stop spewing ignorance??

Arab christians and jews used Allah even before the advent of Islam..

The Arabs knew Allah even before Islam as the supreme creator, idols were supposed to be intercessors to God.

is this what you understand from his post? Am surprise. Yes God in Arabic is Allah, but the points is this, there nature is far opposites from each other, is like the different between life and death.

Truthman2012. God bless you.

tbaba1234:
Nonsense, when will you stop spewing ignorance??

Arab christians and jews used Allah even before the advent of Islam..

The Arabs knew Allah even before Islam as the supreme creator, idols were supposed to be intercessors to God.

is this what you understand from his post? Am surprise. Yes God in Arabic is Allah, but the points is this, there nature is far opposites from each other, is like the different between life and death.

tartar9:
list the verses that were invalidated.

to begin with, why not start from the verse the op quote from;in Surah 6:115 it say NOTHING CAN CHANGE MY WORD (Allah will not abrogate his revelation)

And in Surah 2:106: Allah change his word, he replace revelation with another revelation.

HOW CAN YOU RECONCILE IT?

Rilwayne001:
Lmao

Surah 3:45: Behold! The angels said:
“O Mary! Allah giveth Thee glad
tidings of a Word from Him: his
name will be Christ Jesus. The son
of Mary, held in honor in this world
and the Hereafter and of (the
company of) those nearest to
Allah;” (Yusuf Ali)
Surah 4:171: “Christ Jesus the son of
Mary was (no more than) an apostle
of God, and His Word, which he
bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit
proceeding from him: so believe in
God and His apostles.” (Yusuf Ali)

In Surah 4:171, Jesus is called, “HIS
WORD.” And in Surah 3:45 the Qur’an
states that Allah gave Mary a glad tidings “of a WORD FROM HIM.” In the original Arabic, the expression used here is “kalimatim-minhu.” It means kalmia (word), min (from), hu (him). It is of vital importance for Muslims to note that Jesus is the only Prophet who ever lived, who is called a WORD FROM GOD.

Centuries before the Qur’an came into
existence, this same title was given to
Jesus in the Bible:
John 1:14: “And the Word became
flesh and made is dwelling among
us. We have seen his glory, the glory
of the one and only Son who came
from the father, and he was full of
undeserved kindness and truth.”

And the quran went further and called Jesus 'spirit from God';

Surah 4:171: “The Messiah, Jesus son
of Mary, was (no more than) an
apostle of Allah, and His Word, which
He bestowed on Mary, and a SPIRIT
FROM HIM.”

If Jesus is the word of God and spirit of God, yes he created muhammed.

loomer:
I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT, AS I DE I WOULDN'T LIE, I KEEP ASKING FOR HIS GRACE

preach to people,don't be afraid to say the truth, bible say in john 8:40;
As it is, you are looking for a way to kill
me, a man who has told you the truth
that I heard from God. Abraham did not
do such things.

Even as Jesus told them the truth,they still wanted to kill him, what the op is saying is the truth, all the claimed are there in the quran.

loomer:
LIKE I SAID, I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ISLAM,

I ALSO KNOW I'M NOT PERFECT, BUT I ALWAYS PRAY FOR GOD'S MERCY AND FOR HIM TO HELP ME BE A DEVOTED CHRISTIAN.

MY 1 QUESTION TO YOU IS, HOW CERTAIN ARE YOU THAT YOU WILL MAKE HEAVEN?

I understand you my brother, do you not read about the great commissioned in the bible? "go and preach to all nation and make disciples"
By his grace,I AM 100 percent sure I will make heaven, believe me, if I haven't encounter Jesus, I will never be certain.

loomer:
IF MY NOT CONDEMNING PEOPLE'S BELIEFS OR RELIGION MAKES ME A HYPOCRITE DEN LET ME BE 1. O STRIVE SO HARD TO B THE CHRISTIAN I AM. I'M NOT PERFECT BUT I WILL NEVA CONDEMN ANYONE'S BELIEFS.

Romans10:14-15
14 How, then, can they call on the one
they have not believed in? And how can
they believe in the one of whom they
have not heard? And how can they hear
without someone preaching to them? 15
And how can anyone preach unless they
are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful
are the feet of those who bring good
news!”

loomer:
I NEVA SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ME KNOWING EVERYTHING ABOUT BIBLE, AND YOU ALSO HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE WAT MY BELIEFS ARE,

BUT THE LITTLE I KNOW ABOUT THE BIBLE IS THAT YOU DON'T JUDGE AND THE SAME BIBLE SAYS WE SHOULD NOT B IN THE MIDST OF SINNERS.

WHY NOT LET GOD BE THEIR JUDGE?

for saying the truth,you called it judge? How then can we preach? I read a book and found out there is error that will lead you to hell. I shouldn't warn you? My brother, you no nothing next to truth.

Which can God will allow you to marry a temporary wife despite the 4 wives he set for you? Allah is satan.

macof:
it's nt jst paganism. Ur Bible states.animals have soul too..why don't you read and stop listening to ur thieving pastors?

can you quote the verse?

truthman2012:
What do you call 'perfected' by allah? Do you mean allah reversing his own revelations to deceive mankind?

hey bro, good evening, I was ban, thanks be to God am back.

johnydon22:
Cant you just quote the monikar where i said animals have souls here?...habaa honestly must you guys lie? .... their is a basic morality in every animal which is driven by empathy.
Just check the type of confused you are; Seriously? I can never argue with you again, Just take all the time you need and think about all you wrote.
This ur god created ur satan and allowed him deceive man even tho he already knew, then gets angry at man and is still holding men responsible down to this generation... mehn this una jewish god lacks the very basics of morality....Ur bible never mentioned the devil possessed the snake in genesis, it just said the snake was the most cunning of all animals, but you all are assuming that somehow the devil possessed it...
U havent even answered the question... Was it the devil or the talking snake (hahahahaha...talking snake)

macof open the thread.

plaetton:
So why is eve and her human generations being eternally punished simply for just being a victim of Satan's 419?

Since the alleged crime was great, why wasn't satan quickly rounded up and executed to prevent him from doing more harm?

And yet, blokes like you continue to tell us that this same god is love. Where is the love?

My advice to you guys.
Treat yourself of your moral schizophrenia first, and then seek to create a better sensible god.

you see Mr atheist, if you read from the beginning of genesis you will know why all this happened,A God spend 13billion years to design this universe for man to dwell in will not ignore a single sin, adam walk and talk with God, they have a father and son relationship,why? Because adam was created with the image of God so this make him Godly, but when adam sin, he lost everything, and the relationship he had with God ended, why? Because God is to holy to beholds sin, bible say our righteousness is as filthy as rags.

Satan is a spirit,have you ever read'spirit died'? Satan is in hell, and in hell there will be no death.

Ifeann:
Why is it unsafe to discuss about the religion of "peace".. why all the threats about fatwas..And insults from Muslims. this is terrible. . Freedom of expression on islam is dead. But its only for a time..The truth will always prevail.

the kingdom of darkness will always prevent the truth, they love darkness more than light. God bless you my sister, don't be discourage to say the truth. Thank you.

The Qur’an claims to be the eternal
Revelation of God. If true, how can an
eternal Book of Allah have such time-
bound revelations in it? The Qur’an itself admits that some of its verses were abrogated and replaced by others
verses.

To abrogate means to abolish, annul,
rescind, repeal or revoke. The Qur’an is
the only religious book that abrogates its own teachings. The concept of abrogation in the Qur’an is that Allah reveals a verse in the Qur’an that invalidates an earlier verse in the same Qur’an. This may lead to numerous difficulties for the readers of the Qur’an. In fact, it raises many questions. For example:

1. How can a Muslim know what is
abrogated and what is not?
2. Since the abrogated verses still exist
in the Qur’an, what is the use of
these abrogated verses for Muslims
now?
3. Would not this pose a problem for
the ordinary readers of the Qur’an to
verify what is abrogated and what is
not?
4. How would an average Muslim know
what is abrogated and what is not,
when even scholar disagree among
themselves as to the numbers of
verses that are abrogated?

However, if the Qur’an is the genuine
Word of God, then the commandments
written in it must by no means be
abrogated. Its contents must remain
intact and its messages unchanged. And
amazingly Allah agrees:

Surah 6:115: “The word of your Lord
is complete, in truth and justice.
Nothing shall abrogate His words.
He is the Hearer, the
Omniscient.” (Khalifa)
In other word, nothing can change is word. However, note the contradiction in Surah 2:106:

“Whatever verse we shall abrogate,
or cause (thee) to forget, we will
bring a better one than it, or one
like unto it. Dost thou not know that
God is almighty?” (Sale)

The concept of “abrogation” in the
Qur’an is that Allah reveals a latter verse that both supersedes and annuls an earlier verse in the same Qur’an.
Abrogation means to annul or cancel
something with appropriate or legal
authority. In this case, the authority is
none other than Allah himself. Surah
2:106 is central to the doctrine of
abrogation that is taught in Islam. Why
does an all-wise God need to reveal
“better” or “similar” verses to replace
verses that he had inspired only a few
years or even days earlier? Surah 2:106
is clearly making the claim that Allah will change and cause the older verses to be forgotten by revealing better verses or verses similar in kind. To emphasize the point, Allah states that he has power over all things.

The quran is disorderly chronological arrange One example of the disorderly chronology is that Surahs 2:193, 2:216 and 2:217 were revealed at the beginning of Muhammad’s arrival in
Medina. And it took another six years to
reveal Surahs 2:190, 2:191 and 2:192. Yet Surah 2:193 (which was revealed six
years earlier) was inserted to follow
Surah 2:192. How could it then be known which contradicting verses were the more authoritative? Without context and chronology, the “abrogated” and
“abrogator” verses render the entire
Qur’an irrelevant. For example, if one
verse encourages slavery and another
condemns it, which is to be believed and followed?
Truly there is a lot of questions we need to ask, the quran is not the word of God.

Rilwayne001:
lol

You know the OP is far more reasonable than you, so I will prefer to discuss with him than having a discussion with a stiffnecked featherhead liie you.

ok, the op is reasonable than me. falsified my post that exposed your lies.

johnydon22:
lolzzz satan possessed the snake and the snake was punished is that it?

I remember, on one thread, you agreed with the pagan that animals has soul,you guys even went further and claimed animal feel guilt in them, so my points is ; if satan deceive man, why do we have to pay for our sin instead of satan?as long as animal feel guilt and have soul,they are no different from human(according to pagan) visit here for the answer you seek https://answersingenesis.org/genesis/garden-of-eden/what-about-the-snake-in-the-garden-of-eden/

johnydon22:
lolzzz satan possessed the snake and the snake was punished is that it?

I remember, on one thread, you agreed with the pagan that animals has soul,you guys even went further and claimed animal feel guilt in them, so my points is ; if satan deceive man, why do we have to pay for our sin instead of satan?as long as animal feel guilt and have soul,they are no different from human(according to pagan)

johnydon22:
Answer the question; Was it the snake or the satan..if it was satan why then was the snake punished?... and from this your passage the woman never knew it was evil to eat the fruit she only thought she would die. she had no knowledge of good and evil not even knowing she was naked... now why bear this grudge from adam and eve down to this ur own generation, holding everybody responsible for a sin committed by two people out of IGNORANCE ??
Ok am done arguing over jewish mythology with you... you are from a tribe in Nigeria and every people have their own creation story. "can you please tell me that of your tribe?"

you just want to derailed the topic, but I would answer you.

Can human see a spiritual being? Is it not until he possessed a flesh?just as God possessed a flesh and dwell among us, that how satan possessed the serpent.

johnydon22:
lolzzz i speak like i am being manipulated by your myth..funny...

Wait a minute "Was it the devil or the talking snake that deceived eve??
How did she know disobedient was bad when she have not eaten from the tree of knowledge?
If she already had an idea of good and evil then what is the essence of eating the fruit ?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha i really love ur emotionally ladened speeches always!!!

“Did God actually
say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the
garden’?” And the woman said to the
serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the
trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You
shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is
in the midst of the garden, neither shall
you touch it, lest you DIE.’” But the
serpent said to the woman, “You will not
surely die. For God knows that when you
eat of it your eyes will be opened, and
you will be like God, knowing good and
evil.” (Genesis 3:1-5 ESV).

She know eating from the tree will be a caused i.e died, but satan trick her, will you stress your self and trick someone who has no knowledge? Satan say "did God said" this is an attempt to lied against God.

johnydon22:
Lets get this straight "Adam and eve had not the slightest incline of what is good or bad which means they definitely didn't know disobeying yahweh is a sin, so now yahweh punished them for their ignorance which he created into them and now bears the grudge till this generation, branding even innocent baby's sinners because some dude and his wife ate an apple"
I dont know about you, you might believe sin is ur nature and ur humanity is ur enemy, you might believe you were born in sin and inherited some guy's sin (eating an apple) because an ancient mythical jewish book said so, that is ur own cup of tea.
For me i know human nature is moral not sin, i know my humanity is beautiful and i was born in pleasure by two consenting adults and didnt inherit anybody's sin (mythical tho) ....

honestly,you speak like satan'satanic manipulation'

Before satan even tempt eve, she know eating from the tree is a disobedient to God, why did satan trick eve? If eve had no slightest idea of good and evil, then no need for satan to trick her.

smallrincowis16:
that's just it.............. Islam is the way
think of it
make your research and know the truth
don't be carried away by the blasphemy

you post this thread here,why not post it in the religion section and get your answer?

Islam is of the devil, the satan want you to end up in hell that why quran promise all pious Muslim hell.

Check this thread and see how Allah lied;
https://www.nairaland.com/1970166/lying-deity

And see Allah failed prophecy;
https://www.nairaland.com/2074132/allahs-failed-prophecy-quran

And see were Muslim get there inspiration for terror;
https://www.nairaland.com/2092548/root-caused-islamic-terrorism

Op, if you die now, yoi will go to hell, am not the one that say this,the evidence is in the quran.

Rilwayne001:
I did'nt quote you sir.

You are one of those retards on this board.... I owe you no argument...so please swerve

if you misquote the word of God, I will used my two edged sword to chase you like a demon.