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truthman2012:
Don't mind him bro.

I just decided to ignore him.

I saw his post but I wanted to ignored him, but the guy keep on bringing the same points, that why I reply him, God bless you.

Emusan:
I only have few things to say here, what has been hid in God for so long but through the help of the Holyspirit it has been revealed.

Majority of Christians don't even know who Jesus really is.

In Heb 11:3 "Through faith we understand that the worlds(Universe) were framed by the word of God,..."

@bold-this phrase appear "by the word of God"

In Ephe 3:9 "...which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

@bold-this phrase appear "who created all things by Jesus Christ"

From these two verses no arguement that Jesus was the word of God that created everything.

Now John couldn't make the mistake when he wrote John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Now who is Jesus Christ?
When Angel visit Mary, the Angel told Mary that Holyspirit(God) will visit her, (Note: people like Sarah, Annal, Elizabeth was given a message by Angel that they will conciev but through sperma-their husband) but incase of Mary is not like that God Himself will visit her. If God visit Mary what will God do? He will only speak a word because in Heb 11:3 ".....so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear-by the Word of God" when God speaks new thing will happen.

Incase of Jesus God spake and thing we seen(Jesus) was not made from thing will know(sperma) no wonder John said John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh,...."

Jesus is the word of God(that is, the word that is coming out from God) that's why Jesus said "I and my father are one" Nobody can seperate your word from you and your word is also you. John 1:1.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God simply because the WORD is the first thing that was first created in the creations account "...And God said (word came out)..." so Jesus will continue to remain only begotten Son as God will continue to speak.

Why Jesus said "My Father is greater than I" the simple answer is if God didn't speak, word will not come out...but their one.

John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
@bold-What is the glory that Jesus had with the Father before the world was? God exalted His own WORD(Jesus) through creations.

John 16:27 "For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God."
After Jesus made this statement His desciples then know that "...He came forth from God-John 16:29"
Jesus was part of God himself which can not be seperated 'The WORD of GOD'.

Severally in account books of Jesus, He said before His death that "I go to my Father..." inwhich no prophet has ever claimed, but why? Just because He's the WORD of God and He's retuning back to God.

Finally, God is non-contingence being He can do as He likes.....He change His own word to human's nature....and created the universe by His word(Jesus Christ).

We need the Help of the Holyghost to understand Bible because "This is the mystery which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy Apostles and prophets by [Holy] spirit; Ephe 3:5 this mystery also has been hid in God from the beginning of the world Ephe 3:9. No wonder why, people of ages was so confuse about God...David said "the Lord said to my Lord..."Lol.

Shalom!

I love this, God bless you brother.

SalC:
Is it just me or did any other person notice the glaring lies in the hadith above?

First the quote said Abraham brought ishmael and his mother to Mecca when Ishmael was still suckling, dropped them and left. Common sense can deduce that if muslims believed that Abraham and Ishmael actually built the Kabba, then that would be much later when Ishmael must have grown up, not when he was still suckling yet this hadith said Abraham made the child and his mother sit down under tree near Kabba, as he was going he also turned and faced the Kabba while praying. And stated clearly that he set them near "thy sacred house" (that means the kabba was already a sacred house of God when Abraham and Ishmael came) Yet that place was said to be empty with no one living there.

Now the question is,
If this was Abraham's first visit and there was already a kabba for him to face and pray, who built the Kabba?

If Abraham left and didn't look back in obedience to Allah, isn't it clear he didn't build any kabba with Ishmael since Ishael was still a child who couldn't even fend for himself?

Funny a kabba was already there when Abraham came yet no one lives there.

Idon't even want to talk about the fact that Ishmael wasn't a suckling child when he was sent away. Ishmael was born to Abraham when he was 86 years old while Isaac was born when he was 100 years of age and it was after then ishmael and hagar were sent out. But that would be comparing the Bible and koran.
Now even from the Koran and hadith alone, the story didn't ad up.

This hadith reeks of contradictions!

This was one of the reasons I caution against using the hadith in my earlier post.

there next lies will be 'the hadith was fabricated,but if the same hadith speak good about Islam, then it's authentic.

timonski:
so u believe your god who can not destroy some iron chariots created the universe?

The Canaanites Had mighty army,with stronges of chariot, The chariots of the Canaanites were very formidable to the Israelites, who had no means of coping with them. But the bible say"And the Lord was with Judah,...." meaning the isrealite had God on there side.Yet they suffered their fears to prevail against their faith.

Were are the canaanites? And the amalakites? No where to be found, but God protects the isrealite.

truthman2012:
This is the story from your link:



Firstly, Abraham was said to lead them to Mecca and turned back, meaning he did not stay with them. How could he have taken part in the building of Kaaba?

Secondly, Ishmael was said to be a baby still sucking, which shows he could not know Abraham and his religion very well as a baby. His mother as an Egyptian, who came from idolatry background (Egyptians were idol worshipers at that time) must have had influence on him. Worst still is the fact that his mother married him an Egyptian girl as well. This could account for the reason Kaaba was built originally for idol worship as Ishmael did not grow with the knowledge of Abraham religion.

That being apart, the story of Abraham taking Hagar and Ishmael to Mecca could not be true. The distance between Israel and Mecca is about 1500 km. Why would Abraham walk that long distance on leg to settle baby Ishmael in Mecca? Could Hagar and her small baby walk such a distance?

the link that lady posted prove a very strong points, Abraham did not build kaba, after Allah told him to go, and never look back, why will Abraham return and build the kaba, honestly,only the blood of Jesus can wash there eyes.

Emusan:
When I read his post this verse quickly comes to my mind, he claimed someone has shallow mind whereas his own mind shallows more than shallowness he couldn't respond because you caught him red handed.

they always twists there quranic verse and when they twist it,it amount to contradiction, God bless you.

balash:
A mathematics textbook which said 2+2= 4 Also said 3+1= 4 and 4+0= 4

Clay,Water and blood all are what makes a man.

You people won't stop amazing us, what's really your problem and joy you find in insulting the Prophet muhammed everytime?

How many topic have u seen about a muslim dude insulting jesus? We respect jesus so much and we also respect the prophet Muhammed because he is the best of man ever created.

The way you people keeps insulting and going through your fake achives in just tanishing the prophets name is alarming, the fact stands that Prophet muhammed is the messenger of Allah as well as Jesus.

Continue soiling your brains in finding Dirts to stain the Prophet and May The Good Lord Forgive you All Only when you know A life without Allah And The Sacred One Prophet muhammed is a life not worthy.

May the peace of the lord be upon you

wher did Allah get blood to create man?infacte some verses say man was created out of fluid, where did Allah get fluid to create man?

Abuamam:
The laws of Moses are not extant; at least not in their original form. Many Jewish laws and rituals are based on the Pentateuch, which Moses could not have written, along with the rest of what makes up the Torah, whom no one is sure of their authorship. The vast majority of Jewish laws however, are based on later writings like those found in the Talmud, which were written by various Rabbis in the middle ages.

Every religion that retains its original form and preaches monotheism, must have its source in Islam.

The first of the ABRAHAMIC religions is Judaism? Abraham was not a Jew. He was a muslim; submissive to the will of God and monotheist. So were Adam, Noah, and other prophets that came before them.

Your error is to keep limiting your perception of Islam to the post-Arabian set of laws brought by the prophet Muhammad (saw). While these laws have sometimes been changed; by the Lawgiver Himself, to suit the location and times of each individual prophet, the core message of all the prophets, from Adam to Muhammad remains the same. The prophet Muhammad (saw) himself, did point out that he was not introducing a new concept. He was merely the last of a long line of messengers, all bearing the same message of submission to the will of the Almighty (in Arabic- Islam).



Figure of speech.
The speakers in each verse are implying a specific time and place. For example, on NL, someone may say "first to comment" on a post. It does not mean, nor does anyone take it to mean, that the speaker is the first to comment since the inception of NL. A critique of the grammatical functions found in the Qur'an should best be left to those who are well grounded in the Arabic language.

Abraham never claimed to be the first Muslim, the quran just called him a 'muslim' meaning Muslim exist before the coming of muhammed,infacte ishmael was Arab, if muhammed claimed to be the first Muslim among the Arab, then what will ishmael claimed?

truthman2012:
For people who were born into muslims' home and taught the quran, it takes God's special grace to get them delivered. Many of them are dying daily and finding themselves in hell. It is unfortunate. After Muhammad was used to deceive them, he went and never looked back. Only Jesus keeps visiting His own as he promised. He said He will never leave us nor forsake us.

I was in the church when the emir of kano son convert to Christianity,he told us of how many imam are encounting Jesus in there dreams.

[quote author=Rilwon post=29941172][/quote]this dos not prove anything.infacte,what glad tidings muhammed bring? The Christians and the Jews are obedient to God only for muhammed to come and contradicts the scripture,why will God waited for 600years before sending muhammed? No answer because it was satan that send him.

truthman2012:
Muhammad is neither a prophet nor a warner. If a prophet, what did he prophesy? If a warner, why did not stop at warning people but killing them? Satan is a liar.

you are very correct.

AlBaqir:
Na who ban Rilwayne and for what Make dem becareful o

I was ban in the Islamic section without a warning, I ask a question and demanded for answer, the mod ban. I did not complain like you guys are doing.

Rilwon:
What you don't understand here is that a warner is different from a messenger as you erroneously claim in your op and i won't even bother to argue with you on this because it is obvious you have a very shallow mind of thinking.

Surah Saba, Verse 44-45
And We have given them no scriptures which they study, nor sent We unto them, before thee, any warner <<<>< this verse is clear enough a warner shouldnt the mistaken for a messanger for the following verse says the denied the messanger that were before him...and now he is both a warner (against the terror of the judgement day and a messenger (bringer of good tidings.)

“We have not sent you but as a messenger to all humanity,giving them glad tidings and warning them.” [ Sûrah Saba’: 28]





Those before them denied, and these have not attained a tithe of that which We bestowed on them (of old); yet they denied My messengers. How intense then was My abhorrence (of them)!

have a nice day bruh

ok, very good, muhammed is not a prophet but a Warner;

Allah says: “Say (O Muhammad): I have no
power over any good or harm to myself
except as Allah wills. If I had knowledge of
the unseen, I should have multiplied all
good, and no evil should have touched
me: I am but a WARNER, and a bringer of
glad tidings to those who have
faith.” [ Sûrah al-A`râf: 188]

[quote author=lalasticlala post=29928868][/quote]you are busy searching the internet for controversial Christian topic to uploads it on the homepage, but this topic that say some Islamic burn churches in Niger, you dints see it? The news make headlines all over the world, when last did you put evangelism thread on the homepage? May God have mercy on you guys.

https://www.nairaland.com/2099041/islam-muslims-burn-churches-niger

lanrexlan:
Your ignorance is pathetic, you can do better in your catholics stuffs.

you are the ignorance here, your brother say Muslims don't believe in vision, but you believe in muhammed when he claimed he saw vision.

1ord:
Bunch of jargon as expected from a bigot.

are you a potential terrorist?I tried to avoid you but You keep on mentioning my ID why nah? Islam is from the pit of hell and it will return there in Jesus name.

They get the inspiration from the quran, https://www.nairaland.com/2092548/root-caused-islamic-terrorism