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Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 10:18pm On Jan 11, 2015

davien:
Are you a theist?

davien. What your contribution on this thread. https://www.nairaland.com/1305164/things-only-god-could-known

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 10:17pm On Jan 11, 2015

johnydon22:
lol i viewed the thread bro... nothing special about it...anybody can write those things... even the op also forgot to mention the book of job mentioned leviathan, unicorn and many other unexisting animals...Am sure you know the book of job is a poem...

funny atheist , the book of job was not the only book he quote, read through it,even atheists that are more intelligent did not have a say in it.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 10:06pm On Jan 11, 2015

johnydon22:
i dont understand you... that science would support the claims of other gods if it were true? is that what you are saying bro?

view that thread I paste and see for your self, no atheists were able to respond to the op claimed.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 9:53pm On Jan 11, 2015

johnydon22:
Hey bro am sure you just asked this question just like that... it is a common knowledge that every god(s) claim to be supreme and universal according to the various religion practising it... not all religion have a canonical book like Christianity, judaism and islam... Zeus is said to be the creator of humanity by the ancient greece and so is jupiter by romans, yahweh by jews, dagon by ancient philistians and allah by muslims...and it goes on and on... according to the canaanite pantheon EL is the supreme god and the husband of asherah and calling this two gods together will give you the plural ELohim... some ancient canaanite manuscript says el is the father of 70gods including yahweh while some ancient isrealite texts recognize yahweh as the god el and consort of asherah.

science will support there claimed if it true, there are many scientific claimed the bible made that science did not discover until 100years later, this is things ONLY GOD COULD HAVE KNOWN read here https://www.nairaland.com/1305164/things-only-god-could-known

If this religious people present there case the way bible present it own, everyone would have known the truth.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create Evil - Does The Bible Say So? by malvisguy212(op): 9:15pm On Jan 11, 2015

jdilight:
My point is all things were made by God. Evil, good, throne which can not be touched, dominion, ppprincipality, powers can not be touched but were created by God.

They all have their purpose.

Do you know why l stop writing here? It is only God that can draw man to himself. Logic cannot do it. Gods ways are not our ways, everything has its purpose in God

I see your points, and am happy you are not an atheists. Read the thread again, I believe all what you need to know is in there. Thank you for your contribution.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create Evil - Does The Bible Say So? by malvisguy212(op): 8:33pm On Jan 11, 2015

jdilight:
I didn't put God there. I said can you touch good or Satan or angels or air or light

satan and angels are spirit, you can fell the air,light is the absent if darkness but Good is in the same category of evil.you can't touch good or evil.what your points?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 8:21pm On Jan 11, 2015

davien:

quote the claims of this gods, the way the bible provide all what we need to know about God. Thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create Evil - Does The Bible Say So? by malvisguy212(op): 8:18pm On Jan 11, 2015

jdilight:
Can you touch good or Satan or angels?

a sinner cannot touch God, and we all have sinned ,when God create adam and eve, He talk to them have a relationship with them until they sinned.

Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create Evil - Does The Bible Say So? by malvisguy212(op): 8:06pm On Jan 11, 2015

jdilight:
Are you saying evil is as self existing as God?

evil is not really a created
thing. You can't see, touch, feel, smell or
hear evil. It is not one of the
fundamental forces of physics, nor does
it consist of matter, energy, or the spatial
dimensions of the universe.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 8:04pm On Jan 11, 2015

davien:
They all have claims and all claim to be supreme...

i am expecting you quote there claimed the way the bible did.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 8:02pm On Jan 11, 2015

PastorAIO:
Outside of a system such as, say, Mathematics, there cannot be definitive proof of anything.

By proof in this case I mean something that is demonstrable. A proof is demonstrated to someone else. You prove it to someone else.

Let me answer your question with a few questions and I hope you'll understand when you contemplate the question.

Do you believe that you have Consciousness? Do you have definitive proof of your Consciousness? If not, then what is the basis of your belief in your consciousness. How rational is it to believe that you have consciousness?

Actually, you know what... just in case you don't get and it becomes a long thing... I'll cut to the chase.
The experience of Consciousness is totally Subjective. It cannot be demonstrated to another person, it cannot be proved, YET IT IS THE MOST CERTAIN THING THAT WE KNOW.

ergo... there is no connection between certainty of knowledge and proof.

Wake up!! I wasn't responding to a question. You said the bible doesn't contradict itself, and then I asked the question.

The question still stands. What time did Jesus Die? Did he die in the 3rd hour or did he die in the 6th hour?

In case you still don't get the point, 2 different gospels tell us different times. one says the 3rd hour and the other says the 6th hour.
ergo... the bible contradicts itself.
It is so pathetic that I have to do your thinking for you. all you had to do is take 10 seconds to consider the question and you would have got the answer. Or maybe not... you didn't even know where you were... you thought I was answering a question with a question.

Did you know that there exists today nearly 25,000 hand-written copies of portions of the New Testament? As
historians have compared these
manuscripts, they have concluded that
the New Testament we have today is at
least 99.5% accurate to the original. No
change. (The .5% differences refer to spelling, but no change in meaning.)
all you have to do is to comperd the bible used 300 A.D and present day bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 7:53pm On Jan 11, 2015

johnydon22:
FAITH: is a strong conviction, feeling or belief that something is true without having evidence of it... So according to the definition of faith as given by the dictionary, i think their is need for you to re-evaluate what you just posted.
When it comes to matters of faith, it is purely based on belief cus their is no evidence for it... If for example you get to see God and perceive his existence in ur conscious self then you will no longer believe (have faith) that he exist but you will KNOW he exist...But as you said it is either their is God or not...which means you conviction is based purely on faith and their is nothing like evidential faith...#BeGoodBro

yes that is what faith is, but the bible advice us to be certain of our belief.God wants us to know what we believe and why we believe it. We’re not called to numbly trust everything that might be taught in our world today, even if some Christian teacher is the source! We’re expected to be critical, skeptical and thoughtful:

Do not quench the Spirit; do not
despise prophetic utterances. But
examine everything carefully; hold fast
to that which is good…( 1 Thessalonians
5:19-21)
Beloved, do not believe every spirit,
but test the spirits to see whether they
are from God; because many false
prophets have gone out into the world.
( 1 John 4:1)

And after we ask soo many question,God want us to be certain of our faith;
Let each man be fully convinced in his
own mind. ( Romans 14:5). Infacte,No other "holy" book tells its readers to actually put what it says to the test.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 7:52pm On Jan 11, 2015

johnydon22:
FAITH: is a strong conviction, feeling or belief that something is true without having evidence of it... So according to the definition of faith as given by the dictionary, i think their is need for you to re-evaluate what you just posted.
When it comes to matters of faith, it is purely based on belief cus their is no evidence for it... If for example you get to see God and perceive his existence in ur conscious self then you will no longer believe (have faith) that he exist but you will KNOW he exist...But as you said it is either their is God or not...which means you conviction is based purely on faith and their is nothing like evidential faith...#BeGoodBro

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 6:02pm On Jan 11, 2015

johnydon22:
FAITH: is a strong conviction, feeling or belief that something is true without having evidence of it... So according to the definition of faith as given by the dictionary, i think their is need for you to re-evaluate what you just posted.
When it comes to matters of faith, it is purely based on belief cus their is no evidence for it... If for example you get to see God and perceive his existence in ur conscious self then you will no longer believe (have faith) that he exist but you will KNOW he exist...But as you said it is either their is God or not...which means you conviction is based purely on faith and their is nothing like evidential faith...#BeGoodBro

I will get back to you , am busy.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 6:00pm On Jan 11, 2015

davien:
Your presupposition does not express the entirety of all possible events.... for example
1."gods" could exist
2."goddesses" could exist
3."a god/goddess" could exist
4.In the event that anyone exists it could be deistic
5.It could be a "personal god"
6.It could be an "anthropomorphic god"
7.It could be an alien life-form
etc
You just grabbed number 3 and 5 and applied a circular argument that either 3 is true or not...then moved on to say "jesus" is number 5...that sir is dishonest.
And you haven't still answered my question...why can the devil have definitive proof of "god" and be free to reject "god" while we get faith alone?....why can't we have definitive proof?

yes god could exist. But where are the claimed of this gods/godes? The way the bible teaches about God creative power, only a supreme God could have such.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 5:51pm On Jan 11, 2015

PastorAIO:
What time did Jesus die?

asking question with a question. Answer yes or no.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 4:44pm On Jan 11, 2015

davien:
Good....so if one can have definite proof of "god" and still be free to reject "god" like the devil(as you mentioned) then why can't we have definitive proof of "god" but have to rely on faith? is the devil more worthy to "god" that it requires evidence for "god" and still be free to reject "god"?

first, you should know the definition of faith and know how Christianity teaches it.
I made a coment about faith when I am chatting with pleatton,

"Skepticism is important to the Christian
faith; skepticism causes us to examine
what we believe and search for the
evidence that confirms our beliefs.
Christians Are Called to be Convinced
of What They Believe;
Let each man be fully convinced in his
own mind. ( Romans 14:5)
Christians can be "case makers" precisely
because the Christian faith is an
evidential faith. When we, as Christians,
argue for the truth of the Christian
Worldview, we are not sharing an
opinion. There either is a God, or there is
not. Jesus is that God, or He is not.
Salvation comes through Christ alone (as
Jesus Himself maintained), or it does not.
This is not a matter of opinion, personal
preference or wishful thinking. The
Christian faith is grounded in evidence
that can be assessed and evaluated. The
Christian faith is an evidential faith."

Thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 4:30pm On Jan 11, 2015

PastorAIO:
The answer is yes.

You could as well ask: Can someone have evidence of internal contradictions within the bible and still believe that the bible is inerrant?
We see the answer to that question here all the time. The answer is Yes.

The next question might be: How is that possible?

Well, I think that when something doesn't suit a person's pre-conceived beliefs that person will likely contort everything around it so as to dismiss it because it is the preconceived belief that matters most. There is nothing that cannot be questioned. No Authority. Not even the Authority of the senses. Seeing is not necessarily Believing. Especially when we know that hallucinations can happen and are even common.

Since an Authority is something that is not questioned and any Authority can be questioned, even the authority of the senses, It follows that the op's question is unrealistic. There can be no such thing as 'definitive proof'.

the bible never contradicts it's self.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 4:24pm On Jan 11, 2015

plaetton:
liar.
From which bible are you reading from?
Eve never rebelled against god.
If we are to take the bible literally, then it is clear that she was simply naively misled into eating a fruit she was not supposed to eat.
How does that translate into a rebellion against god.

There is no child that has not, at one time or another, been misled into disobeying his or her father.
Good fathers don't disown their naive children on account of one small act of disobedience.

You are an expert at twisting the bible.

I believe you are tired, that why you dints read my coment well.

I never said eve rebels against God, I say "satan urged rebellions against God".

God never disown his creation,God only punished them the way a father will punish his son if they did wrong.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 3:50pm On Jan 11, 2015

davien:
The question is in two phases....can one have definitive proof of "god"?...be free to reject "god"?
You've answered the second,can you answer the first?
The question should scope how well you know the bible and reality

yes. One can have definitive proof of God and still reject Him, that is exactly the trick satan use on eve, the woman know God is the creator but satan urged rebellion against God. Satan say to her, you will not die but you will be like God, that is exactly how atheists fell. The fell as god.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by malvisguy212: 3:39pm On Jan 11, 2015

davien:
Can one have definitive proof of "god" and still be free to reject "god"? (think critically)

that what freewill is all about. You reject God or you accept Him.

Islam › Re: Atheism, Islam And Paganism: The Meeting Point by malvisguy212: 8:31pm On Jan 10, 2015

johnydon22:
Seriously malvisguy i am disappointed... Ur posts are very disappointing and lacks every bit of intellectual cobstruction...SMH

you are disappointed at me? For what? The op make a claimed and the thread was on page four, no one respond with a better answer. He is a Muslim and his claimed was that Allah send the quran to muhammed, will allah send an uncompleted book? What the quran say about the mother of ishmael? You guys are soo bias.

Allah send a book that carry the same story of another book which was written by men,ask your self. " this men have knowledge than Allah that there story was accurate than Allah story?

Islam › Re: Atheism, Islam And Paganism: The Meeting Point by malvisguy212: 12:37pm On Jan 09, 2015

Ifeann:
Malvisguy212 u are doing a great job educating the Muslims and nominal christains about Islam. Thank you

God bless you my sister. As a Christians, that is what we are called to. Do.

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Islam › Re: Atheism, Islam And Paganism: The Meeting Point by malvisguy212: 12:35pm On Jan 09, 2015

Ifeann:
Malvisguy212 u are doing a great job educating the Muslims and nominal christains about Islam. Thank you

Islam › Re: Atheism, Islam And Paganism: The Meeting Point by malvisguy212: 11:54am On Jan 09, 2015

Rilwayne001:
bros, no mind moses aka malvisguy.

truthman is a notorious liar , he will soon tell you that his daughter got hanged by Jesus in the air

Truth is, sometimes we must allow fo0lish people assume we are fo0lish, but not always, lest they began to assume they are wise.

It is obvious that both moses and truthman knows nothing. Well, thats their own cup of tea.

to all Muslim, miracle dosent exist, Allah stop sending sign, that is why miracle don't happen in Islam, why will God stop sending sign because the people do not trust him? No doubts, this is satan in disguise, not surprising all the atheists and pagan were on your side because it is the same spirit that is controling you both.

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