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Christianity Etc › Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 8:42pm On Nov 16, 2014

urheme:
Religion and law are two different things, in our current dispensation, religion is religated to the background and silent in a place were law trive,
There is reality in law because it regulate the whole society, one is sanctioned or punished for a breech of it.

There is no reality in religion in that, its punishment and reward of eternal life is after physical death, we are not convince because religion is only a believe system.

your earlier post indicate you belivev in God, have you ever encounter this God? I mean personal relationship with him, what has this God don to you?do you believe in life after death?

Christianity Etc › Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 8:37pm On Nov 16, 2014

Rilwayne001:
Since many xtianity sects doctrine contradicts one another that they even go to the extent of saying there sect is the only sects going to heaven and all other sects are going to hell, it shows that xtianity is a crook religion going by its 41,000 denominations all over the world.

Cus i wonder how you can tell the sect that is true from them

I have lot to say here^^… I will like to engage you on the bolded, please malvisguy212, create a thread about this sin offering and lets talk about.

Christianity Etc › Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 8:26pm On Nov 16, 2014

Kay17:
Sin is possible only under a moral law such as is found in the Bible. What if the Bible is one of the many perspectives of morality? That would change everything we understand about morality. It would change the erroneous idea that there is an absolute morality. The Bible itself is proof of this. Within the Bible, are two wills or testaments: the Old testament and the New testament. The moral regime in both are different from one another. The Golden Rule of love thy neighbour as thyself is absent in the Old testament. The Golden Rule follows that Compassion is the basis of morality.

And I have searched the length and breadth of the Old testament, and haven't found the Golden Rule. Rather in Job, God declares he is the Almighty, Lord of Good and Evil

paul say "i do not know sin but when the commandment came, sin revive in me and slay me" through the moral law we can differentiate between good and evil.

The first five commandment in the old testement was about worshiping God and the second five is about loving your neigbour ,jesus sum it up to 2 in the new testement but in the new testement if the law breaker genuely repent, he will be giving the grace example was the adultress woman.

Evil must exist for man to have the chance to express true love for God.

Christianity Etc › Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 2:46pm On Nov 16, 2014

urheme:
Holiness is a religious terminology, it has nothing to do with God,
Abi is holiness part of the concotion God use in creating people?

in the beginning, God created us in his image, we are holy and sinles, that is how God want us to be, but becaus of freewill,God alow evil to happen for human to express true love for God,without evil non can express love for God or each other,but in christianity, beliving in jesus make you a new creation,born again meaning you are a new creation just like how God created you from the beginning,infact is as if satan has never infected you with sin before. THIS IS THE HOLINESS OF GOD.

In a court of law,if you are being found gulty no matter your good deed,you will be judge accordingly , you see,the moral law of God apply to the physical law that is what christian preach,with the grace of Jesus gives us.this is how you will know the true religeon, but most religeon believe that you will be judge base on your good deed, even when you are gulty of the crime commited you will not be punish, can we then called God a righteous judge?

Christianity Etc › Re: Conversation Between Apastor And Awisechild: by malvisguy212: 2:12pm On Nov 16, 2014

tola9ja:
IS YOUR TURN

DON'T LET ME RUSH YOU 1 BY 1 FABRICATION WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED

1 Samuel 15 Amplified Bible (AMP)

15 Samuel told Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint you king over His people Israel. Now listen and heed the words of the Lord.

2 Thus says the Lord of hosts, I have considered and will punish what Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way when [Israel] came out of Egypt.

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EVEN BOKO HARAM DONT USE TO KILL DONKEY COW CHICKEN E.T.C YOUR GOD IS WICKED CHAIII

Christianity Etc › Re: Conversation Between Apastor And Awisechild: by malvisguy212: 2:12pm On Nov 16, 2014

tola9ja:
IS YOUR TURN

DON'T LET ME RUSH YOU 1 BY 1 FABRICATION WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED

1 Samuel 15 Amplified Bible (AMP)

15 Samuel told Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint you king over His people Israel. Now listen and heed the words of the Lord.

2 Thus says the Lord of hosts, I have considered and will punish what Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way when [Israel] came out of Egypt.

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EVEN BOKO HARAM DONT USE TO KILL DONKEY COW CHICKEN E.T.C YOUR GOD IS WICKED CHAIII

15:1-9 The sentence of condemnation against the Amalekites had gone
forth long before, Ex 17:14; De 25:19, but they had been spared till
they filled up the measure of their sins. We are sure that the righteous
Lord does no injustice to any. The remembering the kindness of the
ancestors of the Kenites, in favour to them, at the time God was
punishing the injuries done by the ancestors of the Amalekites, tended to clear the righteousness of God in this dispensation.

See others verse that prove the amalekites were disobedience to God:
Genesis 36:12 Esau's son Eliphaz also had a concubine named Timna, who bore him Amalek. These were grandsons of Esau's wife Adah.

Exodus 17:8 The Amalekites came and attacked the Israelites at Rephidim.

Numbers 24:20
Then Balaam saw Amalek and spoke his message: "Amalek was first among the nations, but their end will be utter destruction."
Deuteronomy 25:17
Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. Psalm 83:7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek, Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
Treasury of Scripture
Exodus 17:8-16 Then came Amalek, and fought with Israel in Rephidim…
Numbers 24:20 And when he looked on Amalek, he took up his parable, and said, Amalek …
Deuteronomy 25:17-19 Remember what Amalek did to you by the way, when you were come forth …

from the beginning the Amalek are aginst God people,but God is paitence with them until there evil deed were full, they fall in the judgment of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Conversation Between Apastor And Awisechild: by malvisguy212: 1:39pm On Nov 16, 2014

tola9ja:
Quran 2:216 Jihad ['Qital'] (holy war in the cause of God) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But God knows, and you know not.

This verse actually uses the word “Qital”, which refers to physical combat in war. Combat is ordained for Muslims in order to defend themselves and their rights, as well as the rights of others. The obligation to physically defend one’s rights, and to establish justice

4:75 And what is wrong with you that you do not engage in combat for the sake of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."

It is most certainly a duty of all human beings to help each other from oppression and injustice. This is what Islam teaches. Commenting on verse 2:216
Therefore, the fighting ordained by ALLAH in the Qur'an is the fighting to establish justice and security in the land, and this is a duty upon all human beings.

now,comper the message of jesus and muhammad, jesus even comand us to love and pray for our enemy. The difference is soo clear,it is satan that will encourage you to engage your enemy.

Christianity Etc › Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 1:32pm On Nov 16, 2014

davien:
So the difference is that one claims the "messiah" is yet to come and the other one claims the "messiah" had already appeared..okay
So how do you know that the "messiah" indeed appeared if nobody(historians) recorded it apart from the bible that claims it and other hearsay accounts?
And if such a man as "jesus" were true...would the "divinity" around "jesus" also be true?
Even still....if christianity has core foundations in judaism doesn't that imply that jews too are somewhat the intended audience...herego the use of "yahweh" a.k.a "god of the jews"

there are many historical quote about jesus that prove the christians are his follower, the major doctrine of christianity is the death and ressurection of jesus which judaism deny, psalm11 say if the foundation is faulty what can the righteous do? On many occation bible say jesus is our solid and new foundation.

Christianity Etc › Re: The More I Grow The More I Get Confused With Religion by malvisguy212: 12:24pm On Nov 16, 2014

okeke00:
look at your post in capital letters, its not even when am trying to be good, all i should do is just to believe?
Thats why i still remain a confusionist

take your time,read this thread, you will understand God plans for us.
www.nairaland.com/1999485/all-religions-lead-god-one

Christianity Etc › Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 12:12pm On Nov 16, 2014

davien:
Agnostics may/may not regard the "supernatural" or "god/gods" as likely but also stands that such knowledge of the "supernatural,god,gods" cannot be known..
I wouldn't say an agnostic is confused, but the term has been marketed as a middle round when in reality it is merely lack of knowledge theists and atheists have towards the "supernatural,god,gods" claims..

I myself would fall within the agnostic atheist..although I prefer the term "atheist" alone.
And please answer my question...how can christianity be different when it shares and derives most of its tenets from judaism...

then my first statment in the op was correct.

To your question.
Judaism says that the Messiah is coming,
Christianity says that He has come and died for our sin,authormaticaly judaism dosent belivev in the free gift of God in christ jesus which is salvation to mankind.

Christianity Etc › Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 12:03pm On Nov 16, 2014

urheme:
Still beleive God exist but i don't see religion as a way to God.

Goodluck with your search for a way to God, but do you think you can define holiness for God?

Christianity Etc › Re: Conversation Between Apastor And Awisechild: by malvisguy212: 11:54am On Nov 16, 2014

tola9ja:
don't be sentimental sincerely read
Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” q. 9:29 Y
The verse says “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth”.

My question to you brother. Does this verse stop here? No it doesnt. It continues and gives the actual reason as to the fighting. This is the continuation: – “until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”.
PAYING JIZYA IS THE CONDITION FOR FIGHTING. THIS STATEMENT IS TOTALLY IGNORED OR OVERLOOKED WHEN LEVYING THIS ALLEGATION OF VIOLENCE ON MUSLIMS.
This verse doesn’t ask the Muslims to do mindless slaughter as the media portrays or deceives. It gives the Muslims the permission to fight only those non-Muslims who do not pay jizya – the state tax. And we all know that jizya is applicable only in an Islamic state. Neither Nigeria , nor US or Britain are Islamic states. So to put this verse as an excuse for what happened there only shows how biased unknowledgeable and unfair the non muslim is.

Surah 2:216: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and
you know not.” (Yusuf Ali)
Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah
knoweth, you know not. (Pickthall)

Muslim apologists deceitfully lie that Islamic wars are always defensive
in nature. The following Qur’anic verse exposes this lie.

Surah 9:29: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and
His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (Yusuf Ali)

Notice, this Qur’anic verse does not command Muslims to fight only
those who attack them but to fight thoes who believe not in Allah” It also commands Muslims to fight all those who do not “hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger.” This means that if you do not forbid for yourselves that which was forbidden by Allah, such as the eating of pork, then Muslims
have every right to fight you. Also, Muslims are commanded to fight all
those who do not acknowledge Islam as “the religion of Truth.”

Do the words in Surah 9:29 sound like Allah is commanding Muslims to fight only defensive wars? Is it not crystal clear that it is an
unmistakable commandment to wage offensive wars against all those
who do not believe in Allah, Muhammad, Islam or the teachings of the
Qur’an? Actually Surah 9:29 is a commandment from Allah to fight the “People of the Book.” The term, “People of the Book” refers to the Jews and
Christians. Muslims were commanded to fight the Jews and Christians “until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Allah’s commandment to fight the Jews and Christians is not because they were attacking or even planning to
attack the Muslims but because the Muslims feared poverty. A new
situation developed, resulting in the sudden loss of trade for Muslims.
This was because Allah now prohibited the polytheist from entering
the sacred Mosque in Mecca. Well, what was Allah’s solution for the financial reversal of the
Muslims? Yes! Attack the Jews and Christians and let them compensate
for the loss of trade. This is made clear in Surah 9:28 (the verse preceding Surah 9:29). We will have to read both verses together to understand the clear message of these verses.

Surah 9:28-29: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you , if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that
forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger,
nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.

Christianity Etc › Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 11:25am On Nov 16, 2014

herald9:
If you should try shortening the learnt of your epistle perhaps it'll make a good reading.

Or use bold fonts in the sub-topic to make it more captivating...

For now I could hardly read talk less of knowing what to reply.

thank you for your contribution, take a rest, letter in the day continue reading from were you stop.

Christianity Etc › Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 11:22am On Nov 16, 2014

davien:
[b] Malvisguy212,
where did you get your "two camps of agnosticism" notion from....gnostic implies knowledge...agnosticism implies lack of knowledge...
Therefore there should be either;

Gnostic theist: With the claim of knowledge affirming that "gods/god" exists.

Agnostic theist: With the lack of knowledge that "gods/god" exists but still believes albeit less like he/she regards the claim as true...

Agnostic atheist: A lack of belief that requests what each persons "god/gods" are and ask if the belief can be verified or justified...belief is withdrawn till it can be justified. Unjustified beliefs are dismissed...

Gnostic atheist: A lack of belief that puts the "god/gods" assertion as false upon investigating the lack of evidence and suspends belief till the belief is justified...

And malvisguy...isn't it bias to consider yours as "different from the rest" when its foundation is on judaism...or is judaism partly right? [/b]

correct me if am wrong, agnostic are a set of confused people,they believe there is God but dosent know which one is true,because of the supernatural happening around them, they cant explain it, so they cant just believe there is no God, am i right?

Christianity Etc › Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 10:20am On Nov 16, 2014

haffaze777:
hmmmm ask brother paul of tarsus

what has paul got to do with the op?

Christianity Etc › Re: Conversation Between Apastor And Awisechild: by malvisguy212: 9:59am On Nov 16, 2014

PastorKun:
I don't remember all the verses off head but we can start with quoran 9:29 I am sure malvisguy212 would be able to supply all the other references.

this Surah say all muslims will go to hell.

Surah 19:71: “There shall be none of you but shall descend into the same (hell): This is an established decree upon thy Lord.” (Sale)

but Allah gave them a bargain.
Surah 61:10.
O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?
REWARD FOR SUICIDE AND MURDER
Surah 44:54:
“So; and We shall join them to fair women with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes. There can they call for every kind of fruit in peace and security; Nor will they there taste Death,
except the first death; and He will preserve them from the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.” (Yusuf Ali)
Surah 52:20:
“They will recline with ease on Thrones of dignity arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.” (Yusuf Ali)

what the above verses mean is that all pious muslims will pass through hell,then allah will saved them on the day of judgment but thoes who died in the cause of fighting for allah or suicide bomber will go directly to heaven.

quranic verses is full of hatred, read this hadith supported with quranic verses:

Ibn Ishaq: 327: Allah said, “A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the
ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.”
Allah prefers killing the infidels than converting them to Islam. The Book of Hate confirms this blood-thirsty nature of Allah in the following Qur’anic verses:

Surah 8:67: It is not for any prophet to have CAPTIVE UNTIL HE HATH MADE SLAUGHTER IN THE LAND Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth for you the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
(Pickthall)
Surah 47:35: And be not slack so as to cry for peace and you have the upper hand, and Allah is with you. (Shakir)
Muslims are commanded not to pursue peace when they have the “upperhand.” While the Holy Bible teaches Christians to love their enemies, the Book of Hate teaches Muslims to kill their enemies as a means to gain salvation.
Matthew 5:44-46: But I say to you: “Love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in the heavens. For he gives his sunlight to
both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the
unjust alike. If you love only those who love you, what reward is
there for that? Even the corrupt tax collectors do that much.”

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 73: Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Abi Aufa: Allah’s Apostle said, “Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords.”

tola9ja.there are moer verses,but this will do for now.

Politics › Re: My Take On Buhari’s 2015 Presidential Ambition - OAM4J by malvisguy212: 9:07am On Nov 16, 2014

OAM4J, am sorry for derailing , can you recommend this thread to frontpage? www.nairaland.com/1999485/all-religions-lead-god-one.thank you.

Christianity Etc › Re: All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 8:47am On Nov 16, 2014

OAM4J . Can you put this on the homepage?

Christianity Etc › All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 8:38am On Nov 16, 2014

Agnostics often fall into two camps - those who believe that all
religions can lead to God or those who believe that true religion cannot
be discerned. This page examines both positions in an attempt to
determine where the truth may lie. Logically, there are several
possibilities. Atheists would say that no religion leads to God, since He
doesn't exist. It is possible that one, several or all religions lead to God.

ALL WAYS LEAD TO GOD:
There are hundreds of religions in the world today, and many ancient
religions that are no longer practiced. It is possible, and perhaps likely,
that all religions contain some truth and/or good moral advice.
However, in examining religious teaching, it is important to examine
the fundamental beliefs of each religion and compare those to each
other. When this is done, it is apparent that primary religious teachings contradict each other. Judaism says that the Messiah is coming,
Christianity says that He has come, and Islam says that Mohammad
provided all the information necessary for religious life. Obviously,
these truth claims cannot be simultaneously true, since they contradict
each other. Logically, we must reject the idea that all religions lead to
God.

TRUE RELIGEON:IS IT POSSIBLE TO DISCERN?
I believe that there are some things that we can discern about God
from the nature of the universe. The universe demonstrates some
remarkable evidence of design. What kind of God designed all this, and how can we know His true identity? Most people who believe God
exists would agree with the argument that the God who designed the
universe must be a personal God. For God to put so much time and care
into the design of the universe and life, it would seem logical to
conclude that God really cared about His creation, and was personally
involved in it's creation. A God who did not care about his creation would never be expected to spend 14 billion years of development
just so that humans would have a nice place to live for a few thousand
years. Therefore, it would seem likely that the true God must be a
personal God, and not the God of deism, pantheism, Buddhism, etc. So,
it would seem that these religions probably do not represent the true
nature of God.
ELIMINATE THE ILLOGICAL:
The powerful and personal Creator God of the universe would probably
want to reveal Himself to His spiritual creatures. So, it seems likely that
God would have revealed His true nature to one or more of the
peoples of the earth. Are all the revelations of the world religions a
reflection of God or just certain one(s)? This is the difficult question that
cannot be answered in merely one short page. However, I believe one can come up with a best answer through much study and through the
process of elimination. For example, some religions make truth claims
that are obviously false. The LDS church (Mormons) claims that gods are created through procreation and that creatures created by those gods can eventually become gods themselves. However, this religion suffers
from the problem of how the first god came into existence. Logic
would dictate that God is eternal and uncreated. All religions that claim
otherwise would seem to be logically flawed.
BASIC RELIGEON CLAIM:
Since many religious claims contradict one another, it would seem that
not all religions could be simultaneously true. How can we tell which
religion(s) are true? If you examine the world religions, most describe
ethical and moral laws that are ascribed to God. Breaking of those laws
is an offense to God. How do different religions handle that problem?
Many religions say that if one tries to obey God's laws most of the time, God will accept you. However, I believe that we can eliminate
that idea as being true of the Creator God of the universe. God designed
physical laws of the universe. These laws are constant and
unbreakable. God Himself, seems to break those physical laws only
rarely. I propose that this God would not accept the breaking of His
moral laws so easily. In fact, from the nature of the physical laws, it would seem that God would not accept the breaking of His moral laws
at all. Nearly all religions claim that God will ignore our breaking of His
moral laws as long as we try our best. This is where Christianity differs
from all other world religions. Christianity says that our good works
cannot erase our bad moral choices. Think of it in terms of our legal
systems. We are convicted of crimes on the basis of breaking the law. If we break a law, we are found guilty under the law. It doesn't matter
what good things we have done in our lives, if we break the law. We
might get a lesser sentence, but we will still be convicted of a crime.
So, God cannot simply ignore our crimes against Him. We will be found
guilty, despite our good works. Christianity says that our bad deeds
(sins) must be eliminated in order to be acceptable to God. The elimination of sins was accomplished by the sacrifice of the Savior
(Jesus Christ). Jesus Christ is God Himself, who came to earth, led a sinless life, and died on the cross as a sacrifice to take the sins of
mankind. So, God Himself provided a means of eliminating our sins
against Him. However, the elimination of sins is not automatic. Since
God will allow people into His presence after death, they must agree to
His terms. This contract is executed through faith in the sacrifice of
Jesus Christ to eliminate our sins. By accepting God's terms, our sins are erased and we can stand in the presence of God without any sin. Only
our good deeds will be counted for our judgment. Those who don't
accept God's terms will be judged on the basis of God's laws - and will
be found guilty.
CHRISTIANITY IS DIFFERENT :
No other religion provides a provision for God's forgiveness of
sin, which is why I believe Christianity to be the only true way
to God. Jesus said He is the only way to God and that all people
must follow Him to enter heaven. All other religions are man's attempt to become acceptable to God. Only Christianity says
that God alone provides the only means to be acceptable to
Him. So, either Christianity is true and all other religions are false or
Christianity is false and God does not hold people accountable for law
breaking. Personally, I would not want to rely upon God ignoring His
own rules. It doesn't seem to be logical reasoning. This is the choice you must make.

CONCLUSION:
So, I encourage you to examine the world religions to see if what I am
saying is true. Don't give up on the ability to separate the truth claims
of the world's religions. If Christianity is true, you must make a choice
or you will be judged on the basis of your sins against God. Let me
know if you have any questions.

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Christianity Etc › All Religions Lead To God? Can One Discern The True Religion? by malvisguy212(op): 8:17am On Nov 16, 2014

Christianity Etc › Re: Athiest Claim: If God Existed, Prayer Would Have Brought World Peace? by malvisguy212(op): 7:49am On Nov 16, 2014

Weah96:
Greedy gut. One life is not enough for you, you must convince yourself that there's an extra one waiting for dead bodies. Hahaha.

Suit yourself.

thank you for your time.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can I Ever Win Or Am I Fighting A Lost Battle? by malvisguy212: 7:43am On Nov 16, 2014

@lastchild
is there anything els? Do you have any secret you are hiding? Confess your sin to any pastor areound you,dont hide anything, accept jesus as your Lord and saviour and God will heal you,you cant seek success somewhere els and when things go wrong you remember God, first confess your sin and i assure you God will save you. I belong to a pagan family with muslim root but today by his grace all my family are saved.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Can I Ever Win Or Am I Fighting A Lost Battle? by malvisguy212: 7:30am On Nov 16, 2014

tbaba1234:
Lol. An example.

I saw Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) do three things which no one before or after me saw. I went with him on a trip. On the way, we passed by a woman sitting at the roadside with a young boy. She called out, 'O Messenger of Allah, this boy is afflicted with a trial, and from him we have also been afflicted with a trial. I don't know how many times per day he is seized by fits.' He (peace be upon him) said: 'Give him to me.' So she lifted him up to the Prophet.

He (peace be upon him) then placed the boy between himself and the middle of the saddle, opened the boy's mouth and blew in it three times, saying, 'In the name of Allah, I am the slave of Allah, get out, enemy of Allah!' Then he gave the boy back to her and said: 'Meet us on our return at this same place and inform us how he has fared.' We then went. On our return, we found her in the same place with three sheep. When he said to her, 'How has your son fared?' She replied: 'By the One who sent you with the truth, we have not detected anything (unusual) in his behavior up to this time... (Musnad Ahmad (vol: 4, p. 170), and al-Haakim, who declared it authentic)

before the coming of muhammad allah has already stop sending sign,saying muhammad perform miracle is like saying allah lied.

Christianity Etc › Re: Can I Ever Win Or Am I Fighting A Lost Battle? by malvisguy212: 4:48am On Nov 16, 2014

tbaba1234:
Jinns affect everyone. Many times, people are unaware. If i get the chance, i fit invite you for one exorcism. Let see how quickly the atheism will disappear.

how many people with jinn Muhammad heal?,you cant cast out demon with magic.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Was Jesus Christ Before Earth? ...michael? by malvisguy212: 6:30pm On Nov 15, 2014

JESUS CREATED ?
Jehovah's Witness theology says that Jesus is merely the first creation
of God. This page examines Jehovah's Witness claims used to support
their doctrine and the Bible scriptures that contradict this theology.

Is Jesus the first created being of God? Jehovah's Witness theology claims that Jesus Christ was God's first creation. The claim is supported by two Bible verses, Colossians 1:15 and Revelation 3:14. Let's first look at these verses to see what they really s

Colossians 1:15

Ironically, Jehovah's Witnesses quote a verse from one of the chapters
of the Bible that makes one of the strongest cases for the deity of Jesus Christ. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
(Colossians 1:15) The Greek word, prōtotokos, translated "firstborn" is not a noun, but an adjective. If it were really referring to being born, the verse is theologically incorrect. Adam was the firstborn man of creation
(although he wasn't really born). Cain was actually the first to be
actually born into the creation. Jesus was not born until thousands of
year later. The word "firstborn" in this verse does not refer to a
physical birth, but refers to Jesus' position to inherit the creation. In
Jewish law, the firstborn inherited the lion's share of his father's estate. Jesus is to inherit the creation. It has nothing to do with being created.
Verse 18 from this chapter of Colossians goes on to directly contradict Jesus being created describing Him as existing in "the beginning." This same verse describes Jesus as being the "firstborn from the dead" and
defines Jesus as having "first place in everything," demonstrating that
"firstborn" refers to position and not creation. The scriptures, and Jesus Himself, affirmed that He was heir to the
creation: For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth,
visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or
authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.
(Colossians 1:16) For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him
you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and
authority; (Colossians 2:9-10) in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed
heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. (Hebrews 1:2) YOU HAVE PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET." For in
subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is not subject to him.
But now we do not yet see all things subjected to him. (Hebrews 2: cool

More Examples... Jesus Himself indicated that He was the heir of all creation through His parable of the vineyard (Matthew 21:33-44). In the parable, Jesus represents the heir of the vineyard, who is killed by the workers. Jesus
said that he would be the cornerstone which was rejected by the
builders. Theologically, firstborn makes no sense except as the heir of
creation.

Revelation 3:14

The second verse given to support the idea that Jesus was created is
below: "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful
and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:
(Revelation 3:14) The problem with this verse is that "beginning" does not refer to Jesus'
creation. The Greek word arche means "first in position" or "leader". Alternate meanings include "origin" or "cause." So, in this verse, Jesus is presenting His authority over creation as Creator. In essence, He is
saying that you had better listen to what I say, because I am the boss
and I am the cause of the creation. So, in actuality, the verse strongly
argues against the Jehovah's Witnesses theology that Jesus was just
"God's secretary." Other verses from the Bible confirm that Jesus is the beginning of
creation, since He created everything: All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing
came into being that has come into being. (John 1:3) For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth,
visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or
authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.
(Colossians 1:16) So, the two verses cited by by Jehovah's Witnesses have nothing to do
with the topic of Jesus' origin. The first is taken out of the context of
the chapter, which clearly defines "firstborn" as first in position. The
second assumes an incorrect meaning for the English translation of the
original Greek text.

VERSES CONFIRMING JESUS IS UNCREATED

Other obvious verses from the Bible do speak of Jesus' lack of origin: For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the
government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
(Isaiah 9:6) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. (John 1:1-2) Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. (Hebrews 13: cool

The prophecy of Jesus Christ found in Isaiah indicates that Jesus is the Mighty God who is the Eternal Father (i.e., eternal indicates that He is
not created). John 1:1 indicates that Jesus is God, who was present in the beginning (again, indicating that Jesus was not created). The third
verse comes from Hebrews, which states that Jesus is the same
yesterday and today and forever. Obviously, if Jesus were created, this
verse could not be true. Philippians tells us explicitly how Jesus is the eternal God who took on
the form of a man: ...Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not
regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied
Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the
likeness of men. (Philippians 2:5-7) The idea that Jesus was created is vigorously contradicted by the Bible.
It is not a minor theological concept. Jesus is God and is to be worshipped as such. Those who fail to worship Him will bow the knee (Philippians 2:10) before being sent off in eternal judgment. For more information on Jesus' claim to being God, see Jesus Christ Never Said He Was God?.

CONCLUSION:
Jehovah's Witnesses claim that Jesus Christ is the first of God's creations. However, the verses they use to support such theology say
no such thing. In addition, verses from Isaiah, John, and Hebrews
indicate that Jesus was, and always has been, God and has remained
the same from the beginning of time and throughout eternity.

Thank you.

Sports › Re: Congo Vs Nigeria: AFCON Qualifiers (0 - 2) ON 15th November 2014 by malvisguy212: 6:07pm On Nov 15, 2014

femi4:
Yes, its automatic

thank you guys, God bless us all.

Sports › Re: Congo Vs Nigeria: AFCON Qualifiers (0 - 2) ON 15th November 2014 by malvisguy212: 6:06pm On Nov 15, 2014

femi4:
Yes, its automatic

Christianity Etc › Re: Conversation Between Apastor And Awisechild: by malvisguy212: 6:02pm On Nov 15, 2014

tola9ja:
my friends pls why did you denied prophet Muhammad

Muhammad take advantage of the arabs ignnorence,if the quran called Muhammad a politician, i wuld'av no problem with it, but for the quran to called Muhammad a prophet, that is a big lie, Muhammad belong to the category of alexandra the great, martin luther king,darwin ,the founder of mormon church(i forgot his name) e.t.c. But to Compere him with men that called on God and He answer,men that here from God,men that had a personal encounter with God,that will be ignnorence of the highest level.

Sports › Re: Congo Vs Nigeria: AFCON Qualifiers (0 - 2) ON 15th November 2014 by malvisguy212: 5:49pm On Nov 15, 2014

Noah13:
We going there for the 3pts.

The Super eagles lost the first leg to congo . They are currently 3rd on the table and need a win to qualify.

https://www.nairaland.com/1882271/nigeria-vs-congo-afcon-2015

bros, is second place an automatic ticket? Thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: Can I Ever Win Or Am I Fighting A Lost Battle? by malvisguy212: 1:05pm On Nov 15, 2014

lastchild:
Spent 6 years of my life fighting the same battle,how could someone went for a deliverance while the spirit he's been fighting is at home waiting for him

This whole fasting and praying seems like an illusion,I'm still loosing

Fkcu this world, I don't wanna be here anymore

the devil want you to loose paitence,what ever happen, dont loose hope,The Bible says that trials in our lives produce perseverance, which helps make us mature and complete. These trials also increase our faith - a "refining by fire." The Bible tells us that "all things to work together for good to those who love God."

habbakuk3:17-19. Even though the fig trees have no blossoms, and there are no grapes on the vine; even though the olive crop fails, and the fields lie
empty and barren; even though the flocks die in the fields, and the cattle
barns are empty, 18 yet I will rejoice in the LORD! I will be joyful in the God of my salvation. 19 The Sovereign LORD is my strength! He will make me as surefooted as a deer and bring me safely over the mountains.(For
the choir director: This prayer is to be accompanied by stringed
instruments.)

Christianity Etc › Re: Athiest Claim: If God Existed, Prayer Would Have Brought World Peace? by malvisguy212(op): 12:45pm On Nov 15, 2014

Weah96:
This makes no sense. God doesn't like PEACE? Or must we die FIRST before finding peace?

what do you know about the will of God? Can there be peace when evil is presence?the peacefull world man pray for is not in this life.

Christianity Etc › Re: The More I Grow The More I Get Confused With Religion by malvisguy212: 12:43pm On Nov 15, 2014

okeke00:
hypocrites

how do you come's to this conclusion? Do you know me? If no, why do you judge me?

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