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macof:
stop saying God, jst say Jehovah so we know what God you talking about clearly

when i say God,you know who am talking,the fact that you advice me to say jehovah, prove deeply in your heart that God is jehovah.

the reason muslim commit sucide it is because the quran strongly encourage it,if you die as a good muslims, you will first go to hell untill the day of ressurection, allah will take you out from hell. But die as a sucide boomber,it is direct paradise with virgin for your plassure.

FOR SUICIDE BOMBERS
Surah 2:207: And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn
the pleasure of Allah: And Allah is full of KINDNESS to His devotees.
(Yusuf Ali)
Surah 4:74: Therefore, let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this
world’s life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a MIGHTY
REWARD. (Shakir)
Surah 9:111: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and
their goods; for theirs in return is the GARDEN OF PARADISE: they fight in
His cause, and slay and are slain. (Yusuf Ali)
Surah 17:33: And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden except by right. (U. Muhammad)

BUT HERE IS THE VERSE FOR PIOUS MUSLIMS

Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable decree of your Lord that every one of you will be taken to hell.” (Sarwar) “There is not one of you who shall not pass through the confines of Hell.” (Dawood)

And the very next verse tells us:

Surah 19:72: “Then (Thumma) We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.” (Pickthall) “Afterwards (Thumma) we will deliver those who shall have been PIOUS, but we will leave the ungodly therein on their knees.” (Sale)

to bad muslims dont see all this, bible say "my people perish for lack of knowledge"

tola9ja:
we muslims believe in jesus more than the christians we don't call him lord or son of god because god dose not begot rn son,

the bible say even the demon believe in him, dos that make the demon a christian?

tola9ja:
give us the prove and evidence for what you mention because if u are a bible scholar you will not have mention it



paedophile womanizer


Song of Solomon 7:1-13King James Version (KJV)

7 How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.

2 Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.

3 Thy two[b] bosoms[/b] are like two young roes that are twins.

4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.

5 Thine head upon thee is like Carmel, and the hair of thine head like purple; the king is held in the galleries.

6 How fair and how pleasant art thou, O love, for delights!

7 This thy[b] stature is like to a palm tree, and thy bosoms to clusters of grapes[/b].

8 I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of the boughs thereof: now also thy bosoms shall be as clusters of the vine, and the smell of thy nose like apples;

9 And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine for my beloved, that goeth down sweetly, causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak.

10 I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.

11 Come, my beloved, let us go forth into the field; let us lodge in the villages.(EMIRATE STADIUM)LOL

12 Let us get up early to the vineyards; let us see if the vine flourish, whether the tender grape appear, and the pomegranates bud forth: there will I give thee my loves.

13 The mandrakes give a smell, and at our gates are all manner of pleasant fruits, new and old, which I have laid up for thee, O my beloved.



Ruth 3:1-4King James Version (KJV)

3 Then Naomi her mother in law said unto her, My daughter, shall I not seek rest for thee, that it may be well with thee?

2 And now is not Boaz of our kindred, with whose maidens thou wast? Behold, he winnoweth barley to night in the threshingfloor.

3 Wash thyself therefore, and anoint thee, and put thy raiment upon thee, and get thee down to the floor: but make not thyself known unto the man, until he shall have done eating and drinking.

4 And it shall be, when he lieth down, that thou shalt mark the place where he shall lie, and thou shalt go in, and uncover his feet, and lay thee down; and he will tell thee what thou shalt do.




Proverbs 7:11-14King James Version (KJV)

11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:

12 Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)

13 So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him,

14 I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.

terrorist wicked murderer



1 Samuel 15 English Standard Version (ESV)
The Lord Rejects Saul

15 And Samuel said to Saul, “The Lord sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel; now therefore listen to the words of the Lord. 2 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. 3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction[a] all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

1.PEDOPHILIA
Surah 65:4 clearly teaches that Muslim men can marry and engage in sex with prepubescent girls. Muhammad married Aisha when she was
only six-years-old and had sex with her when she was nine. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Narrated By ‘Aisha : That the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

THE MURDER OF A PREGNANT MOTHER.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Hadith Number 4348: Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas: A blind man had a slave-mother who
used to abuse the Prophet and disparage him. He forbade her but
she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit.
One night she began to slander the Prophet and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet was informed about it. He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who
has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he
should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and
trembling the man stood up. He sat before the Prophet and said:
Apostle of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and
disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls
from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to
abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and
pressed it till I killed her. Thereupon the Prophet said: Oh be witness, NO RETALATION IS PAYABLE FOR HER BLOOD

WOMANIZER.

Why would Allah allow Muhammad to have at least nine wives
besides concubines at the same time, and then command that Muslim
men have no more than four? Why was Muhammad made an exception? Are Allah’s revealed messages not applicable for him? Why is Muhammad the only prophet who did not live up to the very
messages he delivered?

Solomon was not a prophet,unlike muhammad who claim to be a prophet yet commit sinful act.

tola9ja:
all this dose not answer my question where jesus said from is mouth accept me as ur lord and saviour
jesus Christ son of david Jesus Christ son Joseph in yoruba land if a person have two father d person is a bastard that why the jew called him impostor

how do you interpret this verse? Can an odinary man say such word if He is not God?
John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


Received jesus and you will be called son's of God even you believe in his name.

JackBizzle:
Death and Meaning
Purpose and Religion

To the religious people claiming that our purpose as humans to serve and worship God, they should understand that it is not just true logically if you consider the death of babies.

Babies who die in the womb due to natural/spontaneous abortions never get to worship God or even develop the reasoning ability to understand any concept of God. Natural abortions are the most common abortions that occur in millions every year.

Those babies that die in the millions do not get to worship God in their brief life. So, I ask again; what is the purpose of life? What exactly is God's purpose for babies dying natural deaths in the womb?

babies who died from womb are one particular class of individuals that certainly go to heaven even though they haven't accepted Jesus as Savior. The Bible makes it
clear that infants and children who die go to heaven on the basis of their inability to fully understand the difference between good and evil and make a rational choice. It is likely that older individuals who are, likewise, unable to choose.
Some reasons for reaching such a conclusion are as follows:
1. The Lord Jesus Christ died for all of Adam's race (for all mankind), including every infant that has ever been born. Consider the following study: For Whom Did Christ Die?
2. A person is condemned for rejecting Jesus Christ and for refusing to believe in Him: "He that believeth on Him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the Name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18). An infant is not capable of rejecting Jesus Christ. An infant is incapable of committing the sin mentioned in John 16:9.
3. Those who go to hell in 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 are those who have deliberately disobeyed the gospel by refusing to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Infants have not willfully disobeyed the gospel. Note: The heathen, who are not under the hearing of the gospel, are condemned for rejecting the lesser revelation that God has given to them (Rom. 1:20-21, etc.). For a detailed study of this see Romans chapter 1. But an infant would also be incapable of rejecting this lesser revelation.
4. Revelation 20:11-15 indicates that all of the unsaved are resurrected to appear before the Great White Throne, and twice it is stressed that each will be judged according to their works. It is doubtful that young infants are included in this evaluation. What evil works has a 6 month old baby committed?
5. Consider the compassionate heart of God for those who are lost: "Who will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4--this is God's desire). "Not willing that any should perish" (2 Pet. 3:9). "Even so it is not the will of your Father, who is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish" (Matt. 18:14). "I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked" (Ezekiel 33:11). While these verses do not refer specifically to infants, they do teach us that the loving and merciful heart of our God desires the salvation of all men.

God did not create this univers to be perfect,God only called it good,the Bible says that God allows
temporary, bounded evil in order to allow free will beings to have the
ability to love and to make
choices.the choices we make may affect other's people.

JackBizzle:
Just look at Nairaland front page-

Both news of Myles Munroe's death and the death of school children in Yobe state by a suicide bomber.


As at 6 am today;
-Myles Munroe's thread has 15 pages
-Yobe children's death has 9 pages


https://www.nairaland.com/1989637/myles-munroe-wife-daughter-dead
https://www.nairaland.com/1989723/update-many-students-feared-killed

you are not difference from the islamic clarics who preach hatred.

macof:
In other words the Christian God...here's the very point of many atheist argument

Bigotry is the gift of religion, from there comes hate and disunity and finally betrayal and outright downfall of nations
This happened to Oyo, Persia, Ethiopia, Benin, Congo
Learn from history

Religion serves no one right

the I AM THAT I AM, the ONE that exist outside time were cause and effect are not real, the ONE that created all things.

There are many verse that indicated that God is outside time.

Evil happen because the world is notperfect.

macof:
In other words the Christian God...here's the very point of many atheist argument

Bigotry is the gift of religion, from there comes hate and disunity and finally betrayal and outright downfall of nations
This happened to Oyo, Persia, Ethiopia, Benin, Congo
Learn from history

Religion serves no one right

the I AM THAT I AM, the ONE that exist outside time were cause and effect are not real, the ONE that created all things.

There are many verse that indicated that God is outside time.

macof:
Another sweet pointer to the atheist argument:
Good is objective, wat is good for ur God, Jehovah is bad for the Islamic God Allah and so other religions
Bottomline you going to all hells except the Christian one

God did not created man to be religeous,God created a being that wuld express love for each other,and to worship him,christians is like a nickname giving to someone that behave as christ.God did not mention the name christian in his mouth,it is the people ,when they saw the good behaviour of the disciple,it remind them of jesus christ, so they nickname the disciples christians. God just want a relationship with us that why he created man. Christianity is not a religion.in all religieon,salvation is attain by human effort, but in christianity,it is the free gift of God"it is finish" the work has been done, your own is to believe and be saved.

tola9ja:
Good News Translation Deuteronomy 24:16 “Parents are not to be put to death for crimes committed by their children, and children are not to be put to death for crimes committed by their parents; people are to be put to death only for a crime they themselves have committed.

the sin jesus died for is for mankind, universal sin.deuteronomy 24:16 was talking abot personal sin,bible say"the soul that sinneth it shall die"and isaiah say"the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him,the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him" but the sin of adam bring surfering and death, God did not created you with pain,it is the result of adam sin that brought all this pain,that is the sin jesus died for.

tola9ja:
give me the bible verse that jesus said accept me as ur lord and saviour you christian do a lot of things without evidence

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God to salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first,
and also to the Greek.
Romans 3:9
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under
sin;
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 10:9
That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead,
you shall be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become
new.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Empiree:
u think Christianity discredited? Discrediting someone or religion is what your fellow christian displays in this quote ....

chosen124:

a paedophile, a womanizer, terrorist, a
wicked murderer
the quran and hadith prove it.

okeke00:
so which God should i follow?

the I AM THAT I AM.

xcapizt:
His house gets full?

if you give your life to christ, you will be counted amoung,and the number will increass,the bible say "heavenly host rejoice over one sinner that repent"

plaetton:
Yeah, I have great doubts that Jesus, as presented in the bible, existed.
But the cult and religion erected in his name are real and self-evident , and is worthy of being debated.

Author's
Background Flavius Josephus (AD 37-100),
was born into a priestly Jewish family.
He was a Pharisee and a historian for the Roman empire. He wrote
several famous works, among them are: Antiquities of the Jews and the Wars of the Jews. Historians say Josephus was not a Christian. Reference To Jesus Christ Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call
him a man. For he was a doer of surprising feats - a teacher of such
men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both
many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and
when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had
condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the
divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful
things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him,
are not extinct to this day.* - Flavius Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.3 Josephus bears witness to John as having been a baptist, and as
promising purification to those who underwent the rite. Now this
writer, although not believing in Jesus as the Christ, in seeking after the
cause of the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple,
whereas he ought to have said that the conspiracy against Jesus was
the cause of these calamities befalling the people, since they put to death Christ, who was a prophet . . . - Origen, Origen Against Celsus 1.47, see footnote [1] Josephus, at least, has not hesitated to testify to this in his writings,
where he says, ". . . For the Jews slew him, although he was a most just
man - Eusebius. Church History of Eusebius.
Conclusion:
This reference reveals several key things:
1) Jesus was known as a wise man and was highly
regarded.
2) Apparently Josephus is referring to Jesus' miracles.
3) Jesus was a teacher of truth for many Jews and Gentiles.
4) Jesus was killed on a cross by Pontius Pilate.
5) Jesus appeared alive the third day after being killed. 6) Predictions by the prophets came true in Christ.
7) Jesus is the Christ or Messiah.

okeke00:
are you implying that without religion, i will not be a good person?

you can be a good person,but you cant interpret good for God,bible say the wisdom of God which passes all understanding shall abide in you,this mean God wisdom is more than your understanding.

Christianity is not a religion.

xcapizt:
Is hell a place for people he hates?

God love everybody,but the people choses hell over heaven, read the parable of the banquet, he invite them to the weeding but they REFUSED,he told his sarvent to go all round to the city invite as many as you can,the begger,blind,poor and everyone, STILL his house was not full, he send them again and said to them, bring the people in until my HOUSE IS FULL,still people like you refused to come, what els do you want from God?

JackBizzle:
Running from God? lmao


What has God done in your life?

Why would God use someone like you to minster to atheists?

Many of the atheists here are far more intelligent than you (judging by posts/arguments/philosophical threads) and so, why should they just accept your preaching on good faith?


How are you different from an illiterate trying to convince an educated man that a pagan god will strike him with thunder?

romans 1:21-23
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their
foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and
creeping things.

plaetton:
Yeah, I have great doubts that Jesus, as presented in the bible, existed.
But the cult and religion erected in his name are real and self-evident , and is worthy of being debated.

jesus did not claim any religion, he preach the gospel just like any other prophet preach.

[quote author=xcapizt post=27873463][/quote]you have a son,you loved him so much, will you alow evil to come upon him?you are capable of hurting him,but because you loved him,you will not do it,except satan tempt you,that how God is, the difference is that God cannot be tempted,he is incapable of hurting dos he loved,

okeke00:
are you aware that they are the ones that made up all these that you are quoting?
My dear, i left religion after a total research on its history, i also left religion knowing fully that it cause more harm than good to Nigerians.
You might be a good person but dont let religious bigotry affect your sense of reasoning

in all religions,salvation is attain by human effort(good deed as you said) but in christianity,salvation is free,it is the free gift of God in christ jesus,do you believe in God? Do you think God will judge you bass on your good deed? Can you bribe God with your good deed? Supposed a man killed your love's ones,and the judge judged him base on his good deed,his good deed outwight his bad deed and he was freed,will you called the judge a good judge? My brother,it is only by the grace of God he bestow on jesus we are saved.

You did not abandoned religeon, you are running from God because you cant meet the principle of holiness,you want to defined holiness by your self.

plaetton:
Bingo!
Especially to the bolded in red.

The cult of Mary, mother of Jesus, in the catholic tradition was originated primarily to counter and replace the cult of Mary, bride of Jesus.
They succeeded.

today,we will here from athiest, jesus did not exist,tommorow, one will say is a lied,jesus exist but the bible lied. The new satanic bible favour athiest,so jesus exist.
One thing we will always know is this, christianity will alway have enemy,the gospel shall be preach then the end will come.

Rilwayne001:
You yourself knows that the bolded is a nonsensical lie
the fact that there are over 41000 sects of xtianity debunked the junk you copied to buttress your point

Try again.



I can't continue repeating myself.

Have a nice day

The Spirit’s ministry to people in Old Testament times was not the
same as it has been since the Day of Pentecost. Whatever it was,
the Lord made it quite clear it would be different after Pentecost.
Notice how repeatedly the Lord spoke of the “coming” of the Spirit
(who was already present) in His conversation with the disciples in
the Upper Room (John 15:26; 16:7-8, 13). This indicates both that the Spirit was at work then and that His work would take on a
different character after Pentecost. When the Lord summarized that
contrast He said the Spirit “abides (present tense) with (para) you
and will be (future tense) in (en) you” (14:17). While there is an
alternative reading of the present tense in the second clause, i.e., is
in you, most commentators prefer the future tense.

Rilwayne001:
and you are blind to see the free will given to them that if they are patient and persevering they will surely vanquish their enemy

have a nice day boi

(1) Why did Allah’s prophecy in Surah 8:65 fail in its fulfillment? (2) Does not this prove that Allah is incapable of seeing through to the
fulfillment of his prophecies? (3) Does not this prove that Allah cannot be the Almighty God as you
claim him to be? (4) Why did Allah abrogate his own prophecy? (5) Why did he replace it with a different prophecy?

okeke00:
how do you come to know all this?

are you a christian,my good friend?
◄ 2 Thessalonians 2:3 ►
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;
in other word: the last day shall not come unless people depart from the truth,clearing the way for wikedness and sin to happen,this is the perfect time for athiest and muslims,
athiest:do what they want to do as it pleased them
muslims: implement sharia law, abandon the grace of God in christ jesus, a sinner can condemed a sinner to death with the help of sharia law, or even falsly condemed a beliver.

Rilwayne001:
When God knows that Adam will eat the apple, why did he planted it in the first place?

are you athiest?
Frewill without option of good and evil, do you still called that freewill? Allah suppose to manifest his miraculose work there,yet he change his mind.

Rilwayne001:
Is that the only question i asked in that post



Can you provide scripture backings to the bolded

Was the OT holy spirit created to be going and coming?

Is the NT holy spirit dwelling permanently in a xtian?





So the holy spirit was wandering all about before the ascension of jesus right?

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit in Old Testament times was selective
and temporary. He was nevertheless working in the lives of people to
do much of the same type of thing as seen in John 16:8-11, though the object of faith was different. In the Old Testament there was the
anticipation of the coming of Christ through the tabernacle, priesthood,
and sacrifices. The point is that the Holy Spirit worked in the hearts of
people to enlighten, convict, and lead people to believe the content of
the message as it existed in Old Testament times. The Holy Spirit
obviously had to regenerate people and He led them, but it was not from the indwelling presence as it is today

Rilwayne001:
Surah Al-Anfal, Verse 66:
For the time being, [however,] God has lightened your burden. for He knows that you are weak: and so, if there be one hundred of you who are patient in adversity, they should [be able to]' overcome two hundred; and if there be one thousand of you, they should [be able to] overcome two thousand by God's leave: for God is with those who are patient in adversity.


Can you see your life now

when Allah revealed verse65, why did they complain? Allah know there are weakness in them yet he put such a burden to them, dint he know the people will complain at first?

Macelliot:
Malvisguy212 and Rilwayne001
Enough of the insult. Must u insults to proves point?

can you quote were i insulted him?

Rilwayne001:
If it never manifested his work, why was david praying to God not to take the holy spirit away from him?




The holy spirit dwell in David, yes or No?



Really!

So Moses was using magic to perform miracle?

Can you do any miracle at all?
Jesus saud you would do more miracles than what he did, can you walk on sea?

Can you turn water to coke

if you can't, then know that you have no version of your nonsensical holy spirit

how many times will i answer this question?

the holy spirit was available, but never was it written in the old
testement that the holy spirit dwell parmamently in someone, it was
after jesus ascended to heaven that the holy spirit lives on the disciple
parmamently.