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Rilwayne001:
and how does this answer my question up there,

Are you this f*****lish

thank you for the insult,since you culd'nt provide were God contradict himself, here is a verse were allah change his mind because he is not all knowing god.

Surah 8:65: “O Prophet! Rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.” (Yusuf Ali)

allah prophecise that twenty muslims will defect two hundred,and hundred will defect thousand. But the people culd'nt trust allah prophecy, the complain

Ishaq: 326: “Abdullah told me that when this verse came down it was a shock to the Muslims who took it hard. They were afraid, as the odds were too great. So Allah relieved them and cancelled the verse with another: ‘Now has Allah relieved you and He knows that there is a weakness among you, so if there are 100 (rather than 20) they shall vanquish 200.’”

He changed the ratio
from 1:10:
Surah 8:65: “If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.”

To a ratio of 1:2:
Surah 8:66:“If there are a hundred of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred, and if a thousand, they will vanquish two thousand.”

Rilwayne001:
And you think God could inspire confusion or watch men write his inspiration in a way the reader will get confused and splits into 41000 sect/denomination



Why did'nt the messiah come immidiately after the transgression of Adam

God did not inspired confussion like allah did, can you qoute were in the bible were God change his word ? I can qoute in the quran were allah change his prophecy to surpport his lies.

Rilwayne001:
Why do you pray despite claiming that you have holy spirit?




Your first claim was that the holy spirit was uavailable untill Jesus ressurect from the dead is'nt it?

Why are you changing your word again?

Whether it dwells in him or not, The holy spirit dwelled in him, YES or NO



You are a joker

the holy spirit was there,but never manifested his work,when the holy spirit dwell in you,you will heal the sick and performed miracle in the name of jesus,david did not do all this, david was a sinner who always pray for forgivness.

Rilwayne001:
Behave yourself


You mean those who wrote the bible were using theur opinion?



Whatis the need of NT if the bible God didnt change His opinion?

God did not write it himself, he inspire men to write it,
some written was for the reader to understand.

God promies the messaiah in the old testement, and the promies come to pass in the new testement.

Rilwayne001:
HOW ABOUT THIS

Psalm51:10-13 Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me ] . Do not cast me from your presence or take your [size=15pt] Holy Spirit [/size] from me. Restore to me the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me. Then I will teach transgressors your ways, and sinners will turn back to you.

Psalm 51:10-13New International Version (NIV) 10 Create in me a pure heart, O God,
and renew a steadfast spirit within me. 11 Do not cast me from your presence
or take your Holy Spirit from me. 12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation
and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me. 13 Then I will teach transgressors your ways,
so that sinners will turn back to you.

The contex was "david pray for purity" the holy spirit dos not dwell in him parmanatly,if the holy spirit dwell in him, he wuld'nt av pray this prayer.

Rilwayne001:
Are there contradictions in the bible or not?

I asked your bros this same question a day ago, he was just stammering.

help him please

are you blind to read were i mention the opinion of men? Men are not perfect.but the quran state that allah change his prophecy on many occation.

Rilwayne001:
How come John was strengnthed with the holy spirit even before he was born?

John was filled with the holy spirit, the spirit did not dwell in Him parmamently.

chosen124:
well said
Mohamad is a false prophet, Islam is not a religion it is a spirit and it is the spirit of anti Christ

God bless you. Check this thread and see how allah lied.www.nairaland.com/1970166/lying-deity

Rilwayne001:
Is'nt the bible a contradiction itself?

there are 3 way to understand the bible,
1.the word of God
2.the holy spirit inspired word
3.the openion of men. Men are not perfect, we make mistake,however,the mistake is not a contradiction on salvation.

But the quran which muslims claim allah write it himself,send it to muhammad was filled with sooo many eror.

Rilwayne001:
Simple question



Yes or No

the holy spirit was available, but never was it written in the old testement that the holy spirit dwell parmamently in someone, it was after jesus ascended to heaven that the holy spirit lives on the disciple parmamently.

Rilwayne001:

there is no way God will apoint someone that will come and contradict his teaching.

Rilwayne001:
Islam does'nt recognise paul as an apostle of christ.

Same way Jesus never recognised him.

jesus was the one that appoint paul. Muhammad is a fals prophet from the pit of hell.

Rilwayne001:
Are you saying the holy spirit was unavailable before jesus was born?

God communicate with his creation throught the prophet in the old testement,for God to reconcile us back to himself,he take up human flash,dwell in it, after the job has been done "it is finish" he promies us the helper, which is the holy spirit,to guide us and gives us the power to continue healing from were he stop.

the man of sin cannot dwel in a world of righteousness and truth,bible say the falling away must come first then the man of sin will be revealed, jesus even say"when i come,will i find faith" he went on and say"he that endureth to the end will be saved"this is the last day,we are living in the last day of God creation.broad is the way that lead to hell many will go in there,but narrow is the way that lead to enternal life, few will chose this way.

LordReed:
Yes, by direct descent on Mary's side and by adoption on Joseph's side.

good one bro.

xcapizt:
Where did evil originate from?

God gives us the knowledge of evil so that man can have the option to choses between good and bad,God is capable of doing evil,but he wont,the bible make it clear that God is good.

Mizmycoli.bible make it clear that God is good all the time,No christian has ever made this claim that God is good and evil at the same time.If you didn't get it, here is a brief synopsis. The atheist argument is that
since God created everything, He is responsible for the creation of evil.
However, "evil" is a word that we use to describe certain things that
happen to us (most of which are caused by other people). In reality, it
is not a physically created thing at all and, therefore, does not fall
within the realm of something created by God. So, the argument is fundamentally flawed. evil is allowed by God so
that free will beings can choose between good (i.e., God) or evil
(absence of God). Without evil, it is not possible to choose between
good and evil, and the universe would have no ultimate purpose.if there is a freewill, there has to be good and if there is good then evil must exist for us to chose.

We are made in the image of God,we are to love one and other,it is either you are a satanist or you are for christ,if an unbeliever acts like devil, we will called him a satanist, even jesus called the teachers of the law condamme generation,genaration of vipers because they acts that way.

Abdulsalam20:
did you read your bible at all. advice you to read your complete book cz I will expose us nw


1. In Mark 13:32, Jesus declared that he himself does not
know when the last day will occur, but the Father alone knows that (see
also Matthew 24:36).. so hhe is not all knowing ;DO

2. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me john5:30


3.Another example for the limited knowledge of Jesus is the fig tree
episode in the Gospels. Mark tells us as follows

“The next day as they
were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a
fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he
reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the
season for figs.” (Mark 11:12-13).


It is clear from these verses that the knowledge of Jesus was limited
on two counts. First, he did not know that the tree had no fruit until he
came to it. Second, he did not know that it was not the right season to
expect figs on trees.
Can he become God later? No! Because there is only one God, and
He is God from everlasting to everlasting (see Psalms 90:2).




ii still gat many proof here Jesus is a man like us but a propet

do you read the quranic verse i quote? The verse in the quran and the one you quote in the bible,are they the same? Jesus was the fullnest of God,read colossians1:15-20.he is the word of God,God is greater than his Word,but they are ONE,moreover the verse you quote has nothing to do with the follower of jesus christ,but the quranic verse i quote teaches that muhammad cannot guide muslims to the right path. Why not adress the verse?

addempsea:
Nobody created God, that's ur answer.

There are two possible interpretations of thoes verses i qoute.
One is that God exists outside of time. Since we live in a universe of
cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in
which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is
false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being
caused, but would have always existed. Therefore, God has no need of
being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe
specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us.
However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply
to His existence.

addempsea:
Nobody created God, that's ur answer.

yes.

addempsea:
My question is how did God come by. I don't see any answer in wah u wrote.

i said, God is outside time were cause and effect were not real,and i went on and prove to you God created this world with time,the bible say God framed this world through his word,in other word,when he speak the word,cause and effect became real,nobody created God because cause and effect were not real in outside time.

addempsea:
I beg can someone tell me who created God, I don't
understand.

God is outside time were no cause or effect are real ,Christianity answers the question of who made God in the very first verse of the very first book, Genesis:
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)
This verse tells us that God was acting before time when He created
the universe. Many other verses from the New Testament tell us that
God was acting before time began, and so, He created time, along with
the other dimensions of our universe:

" No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before TIME BEGIN. (1 Corinthians 2:7)"
"This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the BEGINNING OF TIME (2 Timothy 1:9)"
"The hope of eternal life, which God... promised before THE BEGINNING OF TIME (Titus 1:2)"
To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory,
majesty, dominion and authority, BEFOR ALL TIME and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:25)

The idea that God created time, along with the physical
universe, is not just some wacky modern Christian
interpretation of the Bible. Justin Martyr, a second century
Christian apologist, in his Hortatory Address to the Greeks, said
that Plato got the idea that time was created along with the
universe from Moses: "And from what source did Plato draw the information that time was
created along with the heavens? For he wrote thus: 'Time, accordingly,
was created along with the heavens; in order that, coming into being
together, they might also be together dissolved, if ever their
dissolution should take place.' Had he not learned this from the divine history of Moses?"

Rilwayne001:
Jesus assured you that if you have faith you will do miracles that are more astounding than all he did, can you do any?

Can you walk on water? Jesus assured his followers, is'nt it



Ptffft....




Only God can guide to the right path, that was why i asked was jesus able to guide the jews to the right path? atleast he was sent to the jews.

Surah Al-Fatiha, Verse 6:
Guide us to the Straight Way

^^this verse is a prayer directed to God not to the prophet, it shows that no one can guide to the straight path except for God.

Surah 14:4
And We never sent a messenger save with the language of hisfolk, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise.

I have a lot tp say here, but will wait for your reply to this^^



Jesus said he can oof himself do nothing is'nt it?

If he can guide people tto the straight part why didnt he guide tHe JEWS

john 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him,
the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

In this verse,jesus ask them to abide in Him,it a choice, you accept or you passby,it's freewill.
But the verse i quote in the quran show that muhammad HAS NO CLUE OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO HIS FOLLOWERS IN THE HEARAFTER,IS IT NOT ALLAH THAT INSTRUCTE HIM TO PREACH TO THE PEOPLE? HE WAS SUPPOSE TO REPRESENT ALLAH THERE,THE MOUTHPICS OF GOD,BUT INSTEAD HE PREACH AS IF IT NOT ALLAH THAT SENT HIM.

Jesus say,"i am the way,the truth and the life,no man comes to the father except through me" he said this word because he know who he was.

Rilwayne001:
Was Jesus able to guide the Jews to the right path
You dont understand simple english, do you?

when you say the word of assurence to your follower,it is because you had a personal encounter with God,you here from Him,the verse i quote show that muhammad did not here from allah.jesus gives us the assurence of obeying his word,it is now left for you to believe,

Surah 72:21: Say, “I possess no power to harm you, nor to guide you.” (Khalifa) “It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to the Right Path.” (Hilali-Khan),
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF GOD CALLING A PROPHET? Is it not to guid them to the right path?

Now consider the assurance that Jesus gave his disciples:

John 5:24: Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes in Him who sent me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

John 14:6: Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 11:25: Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life.

John 6:40: For this is the will of my Father, that everyone that beholds the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting
life, and I will resurrect him at the last day.”

Matthew 11:28: Come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh you.

And the Qur’an records with certainty the outcome of Muhammad and
those who follow him: Surah 39:30: “You Muhammad are destined to die and so are they.” (Al-Muntakhab)

Now consider the assurance that Jesus Christ gave his true followers in
the Bible:

John 14:19: “Because I live, you will live also.”

If you strongly believe that Muhammad can guide you to gain eternal
salvation, please consider the following confessions of Muhammad in
the Qur’an:
Surah 46:9: “Say: I am not the first of the apostles, and I do not know
what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but
that which is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner.” (Shakir)
Surah 7:188: Say: “I have no power over any good or harm to myself
except as Allah wills. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have
multiplied all good, and no evil could have touched me: I am only a
Warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have Faith (in
Allah).” (S. V. Ahamed) Surah 72:21: Say, “I possess no power to harm you, nor to guide
you.” (Khalifa)
“It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to the Right
Path.” (Hilali-Khan)
Do you really understand the gravity of Muhammad’s statement when
he said, “I possess no power to guide you” or “to bring you to the Right Path”? Is it not a prophet’s duty to guide the congregation of God
to the “Right Path”? Can you now depend on this man to guide you to
salvation? Would it be wise for you to do so?

If you strongly believe that Muhammad can guide you to gain eternal
salvation, please consider the following confessions of Muhammad in
the Qur’an:
Surah 46:9: “Say: I am not the first of the apostles, and I do not know what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but that which is revealed to me, and I am nothing but a plain warner.” (Shakir)

Surah 7:188: Say: “I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah wills. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil could have touched me: I am only a Warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have Faith (in Allah).” (S. V. Ahamed)

Surah 72:21: Say, “I possess no power to harm you, nor to guide you.” (Khalifa)
“It is not in my power to cause you harm, or to bring you to the Right Path.” (Hilali-Khan)

Do you really understand the gravity of Muhammad’s statement when
he said, “I possess no power to guide you” or “to bring you to the Right Path”? Is it not a prophet’s duty to guide the congregation of God to the “Right Path”? Can you now depend on this man to guide you to salvation? Would it be wise for you to do so?

Kruzilano:
religion has done more harm than good.............agree/ disagree

dis agree,athiest has done more harm.

xcapizt:
and who even mentioned the Jews in this conversation??
like for real? People come and see what this one is saying oooo!! That the first man is Jewish because his name was Adam! Hian! These Hebrew fairy tales don enter your head. If na ibo people wey write bible dey go give the characters of their story hausa names ni? Which language do you think the author of Genesis used to write the whole book, English? You sef...
If you take the Genesis story literally then I can't argue further, because my points will most likely fly over your head, and where is the fun in that?
This is not true!! God loved Jacob and hated Esau even before their birth, what do you call that? God handpicked people he wants to save and the ones that'll go to hell even before the foundations of the earth were laid, what do you call that? God picked (to favor) the Jewish race over any other, what do you call that? Impartiality?

the name adam is from which tribe? Esau is from which tribe?

Pr0ton:
And remember that Moses grew up in Pharoah's own family.

did he worship what pharoah worship?

Pr0ton:
Don't forget how God revealed Himself to Paul "who was on his way to Damascus to persecute the Christians".

yes,paul is a sinner.
He also said in I Corinthians 15:9-10:
”For I am least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an
apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of
God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was
not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but
the grace of God which was with me.”

JackBizzle:
God revealed himself to Moses and co in the bible......didnt he?

Or are Nigerians somehow less holy than old school Jews

they were raised in a Godly family, they worship God before God revealed himself to them.

Billyonaire:
I dont need testimony, I need a proof that there is God. Now its difficult, isnt it ?

so you think God will just come and reavel Himself to a dirty mind like us? They only two option you have is the testimony of a witness or you confessed the word of God(jesus).