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MEILYN:
...... You are one funny dude. I wonder how oBadiah tries his best to answer you. You are always jumping from Pluto to Mars, Things that don't concern the conversation you will always bring them up.....

i have nothing to descuse with him than to just read his prophecy,i dont ague or ask qustion with people that prophecise,what if they are right and am wrong? My own is just to watch and observ.all the qustion i ask has nothing to do with war.

hisblud:
which sura pls

Surah 19:15: And peace on him on the day he was born, and on the day he dies, and on the day he is raised to life. (Shakir)

Allah even went all the way by prophecise he will be raise alive.

tartar9:
The Prophet Muhammad(SAW) prophecised his death many times in the hadith.

the hadith were not the word of Allah or muhammd,is the word of men who are closer to muhammad,they are not even a prophet or apostle,how sure can we trust the hadith? Even muslims dont trust the hadith.

There are also other instances in the Qur’an that shows that Allah does
not know the outcome of the future with certainty. For example the
Qur’an declares in Surah 3:144: Muhammad is no more than a Messenger, and indeed many Messengers have passed away before him. If HE DIES OR IS KILLED, will you then turn back on your heels as disbelievers? And he who
turns back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah, and
Allah will give reward to those who are grateful. (Hilali-Khan)

Muhammad was not only Allah’s greatest prophet but he was also his
final and favorite prophet. Yet, Allah was uncertain about the manner
of Muhammad’s death. The phrase, “If he dies or is killed” in Arabic is “Fa-in mata awo kutila.” This verse demonstrates that Allah did not know whether Muhammad will die a natural death (Mata) or be killed by someone (Kutila). Thus, Allah was unable to affirm the exact manner of Muhammad’s death. That is why there is not a single
prophecy in the Qur’an that details the manner of Muhammad’s death.

MUHAMA RDAD THE BIBLE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE TEACHING,ALLAH PROPHECISE THE DEATH OF JESUS IN THE QURAN BECAUSE JESUS EXISTED BEFORE THE QURAN.BUT ALLAH DID NOT PROPHECISE THE DEATH OF MUHAMMAD,WHOM MUSLIMS CLAIM HE IS THE GRDATEST PROPHET.

op.your Allah is weak.


Surah 8:65: “O Prophet! Rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.” (Yusuf Ali)

allah prophecise in surah8:65 that twenty muslims will defected hundred unbelievers and a hundred muslims will defected a two thousand unbelievers.but the people complain to much and dosent trust allah prophecy,immediatly surah8:66 was reavel.


Surah 8:66: “For the present, Allah hath lightened your task, for He knoweth that there is a weak spot in you: But even so, if there are a hundred of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred, and if a thousand, they will vanquish two thousand, with the leave of Allah: for Allah is with those who patiently persevere.” (Ibid)

allah know there is a weak spot in them yet he put a burden to them but when they complain,he reduce it from 20 to defect 100 and 100 to defect 1000 and he reduce it to 100 to defect 200 and 1000 to defect 2000.


Surah 8:66 was revealed a short time later after Muslims complained bitterly at the impossible odds they would have to encounter when
they engage their enemies in battles. Consider carefully the wordings
of these two Surahs. Surah 8:65 states, “If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.” (A ratio of 1 to 10). And Surah 8:66 states, “…if there are a hundred of you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred, and if a thousand, they will vanquish two thousand.” (A ratio of 1 to 2).


Ishaq: 326: “Abdullah told me that when this verse came down it was a shock to the Muslims who took it hard. They were afraid, as the odds were too great. So Allah relieved them and cancelled the verse with another: ‘Now has Allah relieved you and He knows that
there is a weakness among you, so if there are 100 (rather than 20) they shall vanquish 200.’”


Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 176: Narrated Ibn Abbas: When the Verse: — ‘If there are twenty steadfast amongst you (Muslims), they will overcome two- hundred (non-Muslims).’ was revealed, it became hard on the Muslims when it became compulsory that one Muslim ought not to flee (in war) before ten (non-Muslims). So (Allah) lightened the order by revealing: ‘(But) now Allah has lightened your (task) for He knows that there
is weakness in you. So if there are of you one-hundred steadfast, they will overcome two-hundred (non-Muslims).’ (Surah 8:66) So when Allah reduced the number of enemies which Muslims should withstand, their patience and perseverance against the enemy decreased as much as their task was lightened for them.

QUSTION.
(1) Why did Almighty Allah’s prophecy in Surah 8:65 fail in its fulfillment? Does not this prove that Allah is incapable of seeing
through to the fulfillment of his prophecies? Does this not also prove that Allah cannot be the Almighty God as he claims to be? (2) Why did Allah abrogate his own prophecy and replace it with a contradictory prophecy? Does not the fact that Allah got his prophecy wrong the first time shows that he is learning by trial and error just like any imperfect human? Does not this also prove that
there is a failed prophecy in the Qur’an? Can a divine book contain a failed prophecy in it? (3) Since Allah abrogated his prophecy because of his warriors’ reluctance to fight against such odds, does not this prove that the fulfillment of Allah’s prophecy is dependent on the decisions of imperfect humans? How can the failings of humans to follow directions
result in the divine failure of the fulfillment of Allah’s prophecy? Can the Word of God fail? (4) Why did not Allah know that his warriors would be unable to cope
with the demand to defeat their enemies ten times their number? Is it
not so because Allah did not know the weakness of the Muslims? Why
did not Allah know their weakness just one verse away? Why did
Allah choose to lower the prophesized ratio from 1:10 to 1:2 instead of empowering his warriors with the needed strength and courage to
measure up to task as predicted in his divine prophecy? (5) If Allah does not know the present, can we trust him to know the future?

sukkot:
oh ok if you mean, the muslims think Jesus will come back and kill all the actual pigs then that is nonsense. the pigs have a purpose on earth. they are scavengers. they cleanse the earth by eating all the garbage. however what will stop when christ returns is the consumption of pigs. humans are not supposed to eat pigs. they are not created for consumption. they are created as scavengers. biological dustbins

respect man. Thank you.

sukkot:
when all the demonic spirits left legion and ran into the swines ( pigs ), you thought those were actual pigs ?

ok.i understand your point now,but the muslims dont see it the way you do,the pigs we see everyday, are they not innocent? Are they the ones jesus will come to kill? Infact the muslims believe jesus will fight war.

sukkot:
the muslims are very correct, keep in mind, pig means gentiles. and the pig to be killed ( which killed means overthrown ) is the head of the gentile empires. you know ? the one running the planet as we speak. and the cross to be broken is the burden the pig is putting on the world. dropping bombs everywhere and killing world leaders and stealing resources. keep in mind Jesus is God. So yeah the muslims are correct

the bible,which is the word of God soppose mention it,if it true.and the muslims will disagree with you,what you are saying here is allegorically but the muslims dont see it that way,they hate pig.

sukkot:

ok bro.

The muslims say jesus will come and kill the pig and break the cross,what your saying about this?

sukkot:
scripture do say >>> 1 thessalonians 5 vs 21 Prove all things;

lol.this is the part were you know you'r chating with a prophet.

sukkot:
ezekiel 3 vs 8 Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads.

i trust you bro, you have scripture to support every claim. Am learning from you.

sukkot:
and i appreciate that my brother. these pharisees and sadducees on nairaland are asking for a pound of my flesh. tis not easy my bros. the life of a prophet is dangerous around these nairaland streets

lol.they no want nairaland prophet rest,to be a prohet is not easy o.jerimiah and the rest prophet stand firm,learn from them.

sukkot:
a celebrity of sorts around these parts. otherwise known as the king of grace. nairaland religion section legend

ok bro

sukkot:
hey. they are the pharisees and sadducees of old looking to trip up the prophets. their modus operandus remains the same even in their reincarnated new bodies and different lifetimes. how scripture says, that which was is that which shall be, and there is no new thing under the sun

no wahala, i dey loyal to you.lol,good or bad,am with you.

sukkot:
hey, i am not God. no human can tell you anything with a 100 percent certainty. even you yourself are not sure you will wake up tomorrow despite making all the appointments you have made for tomorrow. however YAH does reveal his secrets to his servants the prophets

lol,everyone is on your neck,some even set there watch on alarm.

sukkot:
bible gurus. is one of them named goshen360 ?

Who is goshen360?is he a pastor celebrity?

hungryboy:
You are just on your way back from work, by the traffic light, policemen approach u, the ask for your particulars, vehicle registration etc, you provide everything the ask for except a fire extinguisher, the then tell you,
make we go station,
you don't want to take all that trouble so you give 'em 2k,
as a child of god u feel bad about and u even beg god for forgiveness,
as a man who works according to god's word the bible,
u don't have to do that no more
According to proverbs 17 vs 8
and i quote
'A bribe works wonders in
the eyes of its giver;
wherever he turns he
prospers'.

The bribe taking policeman and u the giver are good children of God,
give more bribe if u want more prosperity in your life

when you read the bible to find fault,you will never understaf the bible.

Proverb is amoung the book of solomon,solomon was talking abou how precious a gift is and it tempting to reject it even if it an idol worshipper that gave you gift it will be tempting to reject,an we all know solomon recive many gift from close friends who are pagan.

@op.the verse was not even talking about bribe.it is your harden and currupted mind that see it as bribe.

sukkot:
FRONTPAGE TINZ. p square is now selling milk to nigerians.

lmao. I no buy.

sukkot:
no sweat my brother. we go rap tomorrow sha. it was nice kicking it with you all. sleep tight and stay blessed [/b]

ok bro. Sleep tight or sleep loose,just have a sweet dream.

sukkot:
oh thats good news. i have had a woman tell me that, i know everything you are saying is correct, but my brain cannot handle all this so i will never click on your posts again. this was on nairaland. true story

lol.na she sabi. But as for me,even you go deeper, i have legion of friends here,i called them bible gurus. You know what am trying to say.lol

sukkot:
hey whatever works for you my chief. however you do know that scripture says that in the last days knowledge will be increased. book of daniel 12 verse 4 i believe. well it is speaking about the deeper hidden knowledge of the scriptures. this is why i appear crazy to many but the truth is that i am testament to the fact that we are literally in the last seconds of this world order. knowledge has increased. what i am saying is not some mumbo jumbo. it is some heavy stuff for those who hath ear to hear

yes you are right,that is why me and the other lady are here for,trying to know the deeper knowlegde of the bible.

sukkot:
drink on playa. maybe p square can get you discount

this is the first time in this year someone is mentioning p square to me.

sukkot:
good lmao. i do not want to be held responsible for brain damage

my brain they strong like rock,dont worry.lol

sukkot:
hmm lmao i never hear that one before

if you grow for barracks,you go here am tire.lol

sukkot:
[b]lol its like this. there are several layers to understanding the bible. the bible is a history of the world and not a history of a single family. everyname in the bible can be collapsed and you can extract a million people from each name. the point i am making is that single names in the bible are not usually single human beings. they are nations of people. but it is written as single human beings so that the history of the world can be packed easily into it. its called allegories. however the story works on both levels. if you want to take the names as singular people, it works that way, however you will have a shallow understanding of the bible. some of us go deeper and extract the nations of people from the single names and as such it is not always advisable to try to use my in-depth approach to explain to someone who sees the bible as a book of single humans named adam, abraham, mary, noah etc etc. so the point here is, you can either hold on to what you have and totally ignore everything i have said, or you can expand your mind and come on board. it totally depends on if you are someone comfortable with change or you rather stick with what you have

now to your question, what does believing in Jesus mean to me ? Jesus is the bible ( revelation 19 vs 13 ). believing in Jesus to me is studying the bible to show myself approved and trying to live it to the best of my abilities. stay away from sin and try to live righteously. the bible is the holy spirit of God so interacting with the bible sharpens and enhances your holy spirit[/b]

ok then,i grow up believing the bible how it is written,and through it i had an encounter with Jesus, i will keep my believe in christ,am doin fine with it,but i like you,you are cool.

sukkot:
hehe, nothing wrong in drinking milk brother but i am lactose intolerant. am about the meat

lol.ok then, allow us to drink our milk.

sukkot:
agbero get levels my brother

water no dey but cannoe the move. Lol.

Busybody2:
But at least you are a fast learner and seem to be in tune with the supersonic wavelength he is operating on

I pray I get there someday soon

lol.am not learning from him,but one amazing thing about him is that,the guy will answer any qustion you ask him,support it with bible verse.... Am just watching and observing him.lol

sukkot:
oh you give me too much credit. i am just an agbero like everyone else

lol.agbero wey know bible cover to cover.

Busybody2:
Yeah his great sense of humour is his unique selling point, plus his tenacity to dish out insult without ruffling his feather is classy and outta this world

lol.the guy is removing the milk in you and replacing it with meat

lol.according to him,our knowledge of the bible is like a baby feeding on milk,and his own is like a man eating meat destroying the bones in pices.lol

sukkot:
who was the first man ? bible didnt tell us that. well you should know that adam is abel is israel. its a reincarnation of stories. and yes because of the fall of israel is why we are all in this predicament.

that why i dont want to ask you qustion,am afraid i will get strange answer, and here it is,lol.
I want to be clear on this, believing in jesus mean what to you.?

sukkot:
yeah thats why he was carrying 3 bags of garri on his head today. no more tithes money. FRONTPAGE TINZ

walahi,you funny.lol