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plaetton:
God said " thou shall not kill" , then later he ordered Moses to commit acts of genocide.

God said " though shall not steal, thou shall not envy" , but he led the Israelites to envy , kill, steal the land and fortunes of other tribes, as well as capturing virgins which they shared amongst themselves, with a portion for the lord.

I am still wondering what the lord did with his own share of captured virgins.

moses commit acts of genocide? What about the egyptian who held them as slave?

plaetton:
Then I have a problem with your god's moral compass.
It's too far below my moral compass.

In fact, I think he is post-diagnosed as being schizophrenic.

You see why religious faith makes no sense?

deal with your problem.

Liekiller:
I have no time for any quoting wars, and I see no point in it. The entire bible contradicts the idea of a loving & caring God, and even more so does organized religion nowadays contradict any useful lesson that could possibly be found in the bible. Several instances of general foolishness have been pointed out in this thread. Furthermore, any sane person does not need an unholy holy book to know that harming others is wrong. I'd wish you believers would focus on that aspect more than the things adults do in their bedrooms that harm nobody at all.

ok. Maby you are tired for today.now you mention unholy word, what did you called holy? Were in the bible God instruct you to do unholy thing? God dos not exist, dos it mean everything is permissible? What lead to temptation? Deep inside you, you believe there's no God?
Bible say "Don't let the excitement of youth cause you to forget your Creator.
Honor him in your youth before you grow old and say, "Life is not
pleasant anymore."

as an atheist, do you realy think when you reach the age of 70(by his grace) you will still stay put in your belief?

plaetton:
I used the term self-defence to help you out because you were trying to justify Abraham's in.cest.

yes,abraham sinned, so is david. My point is they are not immortal,but God find favour in them.

Liekiller:
gosh, the mindboggling C-R-A-P you people come up with to deal with obvious flaws in your unholy holy book!!!

can you quote the flaws in the bible? I challange you to bring a verse in the bible were God contradict himself.

plaetton:
So, to put it in another way, Abraham's i.nce.st was like a form of self-defence, he had no choice but to do it?

i dont understand you, self defence from who?who is attacking him?

macof:
Christ = Kristos meaning anointed in Greek
So technically Jesus is not a Christ but many other biblical prophets are

pls get some education and quit ur illiteracy

john1:45.
Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of
whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth,
the son of Joseph.

All the prophet writte about him, this is enough proof that he is christ.

plaetton:
I sense a big wave of cognitive dissonance in the air.

But god didn't complain when god practiced inbreeding.

Soyou are saying that what was good for abraham is not necessarily good for modern humans?

So we can say that the Descendants of Abraham are the products of a documented sexual perversion.

So god makes exceptions for things that he is against?

did God ask abraham to practiced in-breeding? Let me make somthing clear to you,i have more advantage than abraham,i sopposed to be more holy than him.

plaetton:
Is your god different from the Pope's god?

i dont know the god of the pope.but one thing i know, i know who God say he is, I AM sure, very much bro.

plaetton:
What is wrong with 1-3?

Abraham practiced in-breeding by marrying his own sister.

Almost all living creatures practice mouth action and behind-based intimacy.
So, I presume that all going to hell on account of their sexual positions?

abraham practiced in-breeding, but the divine law come from God,abraham is only a human and we all know humans are not perfect.

ifeness:
No catholics switching their brains to back to default mode. Now you Pope have spoken,you will definitely believe him whether he lied or not.

the whole world may turn there back, but i, even I,ME,i will never turn my back on God because i know what i see and what i her'd.

@ op. What next for the athiest? Convert to catholic?

haffaze777:
b c mean before Christ not before Jesus,I didn't say Christ but jesus

who is the christ? Amoung all the prophet,who amoung them is called christ?is'nt jesus the christ? And the historian went on and say a.d(after death) which mean after christ death, which mean he existed.

You dont even know who you realy are, athiest? Muslim? Only God know.

The Qur’an is based completely on the personal experiences of one
illiterate man spanning a period of 23 years. Only one person
allegedly saw the “angel.” Only one person allegedly heard a voice.
The entire faith is limited to one book with only one person who
allegedly received the vision. There is absolutely no way to verify
anything. Our question is, “Does not this then mean that the only way to become a Muslim is to take this one man’s word for it?”

haffaze777:
...Jesus didn't exist as well,sorry to disappoint u

jesus dint exist? Explain to me why the historian put HIS name on the calendar(b.c and a.d)

rinrin23:
Makes no sense. Why not reveal himself directly to the 'harden minded man' so he could change his ways.

the Bible make us to understand that God hate sin, He cant behold a single sin infact Sin take you away from God.the only option the harden minded man has is the testimony of one or two to believe there is God,the op deliver his testimony to you guys,what els do you guys needed? That God will come down to show himself to you?if you want Him to do so, you must called on him.
Please dont ague,if you dont satisfy with my explanation,just pass by. Thank you

Ukutsgp:
@malvisguy212
but how do u see churches doing the things i listed in my first post?

in this life men will always do things contrary to the will of God, nowadays pastors has there own interpretation of the word of God,they misinterpret the bible just for there own favour,example, you mention tithe, i dont want to say much about tithe because it will cause more agument.why do you pay tithe?to find profits or to help the poor?you pay tithe in other for God to enlarge your business?if you tithe, what come out from your mind judge you. Thank you for your time.

Ukutsgp:
the law is sum up in one word in the new testament 'LOVE' but i am talking about the mosaic laws which have been abolished in christ.

that is why i say you dont have to abolish the law completly,the first five of the mosaic law is about worship and love God and the other five is about loving your neigbour as your self.if you sum it all is LOVE.



the Mosaic Law was to accomplish the following: (1) Reveal the holy character of the eternal God to the nation of Israel (Leviticus 19:2; 20:7–. (2) Set apart the nation of Israel as distinct from all the other nations (Exodus 19:5). (3) Reveal the sinfulness of man (cf. Galatians 3:19). Although the Law was good and holy (Romans 7:12), it did not provide salvation for the nation of Israel. “No one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin” (Romans 3:20; cf. Acts 13:38–39). (4) Provide forgiveness through the sacrifice/offerings (Leviticus 1—7) for the people who had faith in the Lord in the nation of Israel. (5) Provide a way of worship for the community of faith through the yearly feasts (Leviticus 23). (6) Provide God’s direction for the physical and spiritual health of the nation (Exodus 21—23; Deuteronomy 6:4–19; Psalm 119:97–104). (7) Cause people, after Christ came, to see that they couldn’t keep the Law but needed to accept Christ as personal Savior, for He had fulfilled the Law in His life and paid the penalty for our breaking it in His death, burial, and bodily resurrection (Galatians 3:24; Romans 10:4). The believer in Christ has the very righteousness of the Law fulfilled in him as he obeys the Holy Spirit who lives within him ( Romans 8:4). The purpose of the Mosaic Law raises these questions: “Are you trusting in yourself to keep all the Ten Commandments all the time (which you can’t do)?” OR “Have you made the choice to accept Jesus as your Savior, realizing that He has fulfilled all the commandments all the time for you, even paying your penalty for breaking them?” The choice is yours.

lastchild:
please can you define what "sincerely repentance" is?

Because I've done that before

it's a choice, nobody force you to repent,it either you accept or you passby. Thank you

Ukutsgp:
what are the divine laws u are talking about? let's get it simple. u could mention them.

you are making a very very big mistake,without the law,how can you reavel sin?According to Scripture the PRIMARY PURPOSE of the law of God is to “reveal sin” and to “convince us that we are sinners” in need of a Savior (Rom 5:20; 7:7-11; Gal 3:19, 24), , love your neigbour as your self and worship God with all your heart,THIS ARE THE LAW JESUS STATE.

Ukutsgp:
what i'm saying is that grace has nothing to do with keeping the mosaic law which has been fulfilled in christ. we dnt have to break the law before grace comes in because we are not observing the law again. grace is always there.

Ephesians 2:8-9.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

for by grace you have been saved,saved from what?is it not sin? When you sin,is not because you break the law?

ukutsgp.dont get me wrong, i undderstand you very well,but still the law stand,the muslims live by the natural law of man which enable a sinner to judge a sinner. But we the christians live by the divine law of God where we are giving the grace of God through christ jesus.

Ukutsgp:
why do u say the law stands when u know that we are not under the law but under grace? pls, try to be preaching the truth.

how do you defined grace? What lead to grace? Is it not when you break the law that is were grace comes in? Can a sinless man need the grace?

Ukutsgp:
do u know that u are not even keeping 10% of the mosaic law? u nid to understand that the law is no more functional anymore. it is grace and grace only.

it seem's that you take pride in agueing about the bible, i came to nairaland to preach the gospel. Thank you for your time.

Ukutsgp:
if the law stands, are u following it? Are u doing what the law says?

i live by the divine law of God.

Divine law is any law that comes directly from the will of God, in contrast to man-made law. Like natural law (which may be seen as a manifestation of divine law) it is independent of the will of man, who
cannot change it. However it may be revealed or not, so it may change
in human perception in time through new revelation. Divine law is commonly equated with eternal law, meaning that if God is infinite, then his law must also be infinite and eternal.
Remember this,it is not the will of God for mankined to parish,the natural law condemn man(sinner) but the divine law of God gives man the grace to repent in christ jesus. Thank you.

Ukutsgp:
Churches that:
1. Pay tithes

2. Pay firstfruits

3. Keep the sabaath.

4. Forbids ladies from wearing trousers(decent ones)

5. Still offer animal sacrifices.(white garment churches)

6. Do penance and confess sins to human priest.(catholic)

7. Keep the feast of passovers and all kinds of feast.


pls, we are under grace and not under the law of moses. We are under the new covenant and not under the old. Christians who follow the laws of moses have fallen from grace. Take note of this.

normaly,i dont like to go into this type of discussion because everyone has his or her own interpretation of the bible, i will just make it clear to you that the law stand and it is only a righteous judge that can judge me, the bible make it clear that our God is a righteous judge.
Take forinstance the adulterous woman,the teachers of the law bring the woman to jesus for judgment,meaning jesus is the righteous judge,when jesus say"he that is without sin shuld cast the first stone" it mean the law stand and only a righteous judge are to judge, which is God, " as her acusser left one by one until it remain jesus and the woman"it mean jesus take full control of the law,he has the option to condemn the woman but instead he gave her a second chance which is grace. jesus say "go and sin no more" mean he gave her the grace to repent, if she genuely ask for mercy.so the LAW STAND. Thank you.

PastorKun:
I guess NL muslims are getting to embarrassed to defend their beliefs given the avalanche of evidence against it that it cannot possibly be from the true almighty God. I am sure some of them are already recounting their steps. I now know why so many muslims keep abandoning the religion for christianity

God bless you pastor.

no coment from my muslims friends, Allah and the true God of the bible cannot be the same.this is clear prove that Allah did not empower jesus to perform miracle because before the coming of jesus ,allah has already stop sending sign.

yazach:
Firstly, give us evidence that the woman committed adultery

Secondly, If you are living by grace, why did you get punished when you commit sin?
why did you have to die? because death is a punishment too you just have to ascend to heaven without death

when someone kill your father or mother or any of your relative, you should just let him go and say you are living by grace

Am very sure the bold depict you

what is happening to you guys? Are all muslims this ignorence? You are asking for prove if the woman commit adultery,are you that lazy to read my post?
Did i told you am a sinner like you?even if the sinner commit sin,he will beg for forgiveness and if truely he wanted to repent God will give him the grace.

A'nt the bible and quran state that all soul must test death? You can die in the hands of your enemy BUT I(MOSES) WILL NOT DIE IN THE HANDS OF MY ENEMY.
please dont qoute me if you have nothing to say.

yazach:
Honestly, only Hippocrates will say: I see nothing when Elephant is passing by. From those evidences, you still say you did not understand anything honestly you are hypocrite of highest order

what is grace? How do you explain grace? When jesus say to the adulterous woman "go and sin no more" what dos it signifies? You allow the pride of your book to block your sens of reseaoning. Open it and be free from this spell.

PastorKun:
Hmmmmn very interesting observations.

Surah 2:87: “We gave Jesus, son of Mary, profound miracles and supported him with the Holy Spirit.” (Khalifa)
It has always been the practice of Allah to declare whatever he
thought was necessary to deceive the unwary. Whenever he wanted
to make an impact on his audience with his pretentious awesome
power, he talked about the miracles, which he supposedly performed through Biblical prophets.
However, when the people of Muhammad’s
time demanded that he prove his godship through the evidence of miracles, he dodged them by saying: “I have stopped sending miracles, as people in the past did not believe in them.” This chameleon-like, utterly deceitful behavior on the part of Allah
makes him not only a liar but also a cunning schemer. As such, he is
totally deceitful. When the unbelievers questioned why Muhammad
could not perform a single miracle for them, Allah could not answer
them with a miracle. Note carefully how the “miracle-less” Allah
evaded the challenge by drawing their attention to the fact that there are sufficient proofs of miracles in the Holy Bible:
Surah 20:133: “They say: “Why does he not bring us a sign (proof) from his Lord?” Has there not come to them the proof of that which is (written) in the former papers (Scriptures, i.e. the Taurat (Torah), and the Injeel (Gospel)…” (Hilali-Khan)
They said, “If he could only show us a miracle from his Lord!” Did they not receive sufficient miracles with the previous messages? (Khalifa)
They say: “Why does he not bring us a sign from his Lord?” “Has not a Clear Sign come to them of all that was in the former Books of revelation?” (Yusuf Ali)
As clarified in Hilali-Khan’s translation, the “former Books of revelation” are none other than the “Torah” and the “Gospel.” The Qur’an confirms that accounts of authentic Miracles or Signs can be found in the Holy Bible. Therefore, the source behind those miracles must be none other than the One who inspired the Holy Bible.
The
Bible identifies Him as Jehovah God. If Muslims need to know anything
about true miracles, they must heed the Qur’an’s advice to look for
them in the Holy Bible. As we have seen, not only Allah failed to
perform any miracles through Muhammad but he also lied to cover up
his failure. Muslims must realize that it is not an outside source but the evidences provided by the Qur’an itself proves that Allah is a liar. The
fact that Jesus performed many miracles – as proven in the Qur’an – after the time of Salih, confirms the lies of Allah.

The
Bible clearly identifies Jehovah as the true source behind the astounding works performed by Jesus Christ:
Acts 10:38: “You know that God anointed Jesus from Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Jesus went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil. Jesus did these things because God was with him.” Jehovah not only caused the miraculous birth of Jesus but also
empowered him to perform many miracles. This raises vital questions
regarding the true source behind the inspiration of the Qur’an. It
certainly could not come from the same Almighty God who performed
many miracles through Jesus. Since the Qur’an itself states that Allah
has stopped sending miracles long before the arrival of Jesus, Muslims are faced with a dilemma.