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sukkot:
adam in the book of genesis is not talking about the whole world. the world is not 6000 years old. the book of genesis is not necessarily about the creation of human beings on earth. human beings have been on earth before 'adam ' was created. the book of genesis is about the creation of ' Godly men '. and being made in the image of God means these Godly men know all the laws of God. the image of God is his laws. its not a physical image. its like the book of revelation image of the beast. the image of the beast is the characteristics of the beast. the image of God is his characteristics. God has no body. the book is a heavily symbolic and allegorical book.

if you go to the second chapter it names the nations that were on earth before adam was created. ethiopia and egypt etc

then, who was the first man?
You shuld know that it is because of the fall of adam is the reason of jesus coming to this world,now your explanation is that adam is not who we realy think he is?

ooman:
Really? You can't snap an illusion...

but you spend to much time on it.....maby you want to believe in it,if it true. Right?

sukkot:
[b]i have said ye are gods but you will die like the sons of men, is speaking to the elect. the sons of men are everyone else. there is a difference between the sons of God and the sons of men. that verse is not referring to everyone. you have to read the bible with discretion. quite a number of chapters and verses in the bible are not meant for the whole world. they are meant for the elect who are in the world, spiritually dead, and need to be awoken. some of these chapters and books are meant only for them which would bring them to remembrance of the past. the bible is their comforter. the holy spirit. so you have to be careful not to think everything in the book is referring to the whole world

would you be able to offer those in hell some help ? sure why not. if the Lord wants some of them to have respite maybe he would use you to give them the respite they need. you have to remember, we are robots. remote controlled. so what you think you are doing is actually the Lord using you to give respite to whomever. the sons and daughters of God are all remote controlled by God lol[/b]

to my understanding,in the book of genesis,God created us in his image and likeness,this is enough proof that we are god,but when adam disobey God,he lost the godliness in him,in other for us to get it back,we need to believe in jesus,i will agree with you that jesus christ is amoung us now living im earth,they are the once that believe in jesus.

Weah96:
False Dichotomy. What if I believe that Allah is God, and that Jesus was merely a human messenger? Is Allah the same as Satan, why should I go to your hell?

allah is satan in disguise,who is being lead many soul to hell,you dont even believe in God.

Weah96:
But Muslims aren't born again and there's over one BILLION of them.

Are they all mad people, or is something wrong with BELIEF in general?

God dont go with numbers he chose men with quality faith,pure in heart,he destroyed sodom and gommorah together with multitude but save only 3people,same thing with the noah ark.what make you think God will not repeat again.?if you dont believe in jesus,that mean you believe in satan.

timmy2409:
LOL why did you stop there? The next verse:

12. And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.


Moving on, where does it say in the bible that God knows magic but doesn't want humans to use it? And where does the supernatural power for magic come from?

verse 12 was talking about diff thing,but it related to the topic,God told them to speak to the rock,but because of the complaim of the people,moses struck the rock,this make God to be angry with them.they believe in God,moses obey God when he told him to parted the red sea,this shuld'nt have been problem nah.


Numbers 20:12 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron Out of the cloud, where his glory appeared, and still continued: because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel; that Moses and Aaron committed an evil which was displeasing to the
Lord is certain, but what that was is variously represented. Some say
their sin was, that the order was to speak to the rock, whereas it was
smitten, and not spoken to; but why then was Moses bid to take the
rod with him, if it was not to smite with it, as he had done before at
Horeb? and besides, this would only have been the sin of Moses, and not of Aaron; others think, that what provoked the Lord was, that the
Israelites were called "rebels"; but this is a name the Lord himself gave
them, ( Numbers 17:10 ) , and was what they justly deserved; and what after this Moses says of them, which, had this been the case, he
would have been careful to have abstained from, ( Deuteronomy 9:24 ) . Others are of opinion, that what was displeasing to the Lord was, that
the bringing the water out of the rock was ascribed to themselves, and
not to him; "must we fetch you water" Others suppose the sin was in
smiting the rock twice, and in anger; but this could only be the fault of
Moses at most. Dr. Lightfoot F2 thinks the particular fault was this, that Moses expressed his displeasure and resentment to the Israelites, that
on their murmuring a new rock was opening, which portended a new
and long stay in the wilderness, as the opening of the first rock at
Horeb did when he and Aaron were in expectation of being soon out
of the wilderness, and now they feared they were beginning anew
their abode in it; but it is certain from the text that unbelief was their sin; they were diffident about the will of God to bring water out of the
rock for such a rebellious people, and they did not put them in mind of
the miracles God had wrought in former time, to encourage their faith;
and so the Lord was not sanctified by them before the people, as he
ought to have been:

timmy2409:
Once again, magic is simply the exertion of influence on events in the natural world, using seemingly supernatural powers. The bible contains numerous accounts of such actions from God, Jesus and a horde of prophets.

I think I already established with some of the bible instances I listed in the OP that not all "miracles" require faith or works from the human parties involved. When God produced water from rocks for the Israelites in Numbers 20, neither Aaron nor Moses believed him, and they were subsequently punished for it.

My question remains the the same. Why do you as a Christian use the phrase "God is not a magician"?

Is it because your common sense and experience tells you that God's supposed power (as written about in the bible) does not translate to the real world?

you ask a qustion,"why do christians use the phrase,God is not a magicians?" and i say magic dos not need faith to believe in it,but you need faith in God to work miracle,please note this:i do not say God dont know magic,he never encourage us to do it.in the case of the children of isreal,God promies to protect them but they always disobey God so because of there unbelief instead of them to travell for forty days God make it forty years,but God provide for them there need.

You are wrong,moses and aaron believe God when He[God] ask them to struck the rock.
Number20:7-11.Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 8 “Take the rod; you and your brother Aaron gather the congregation together. Speak to the rock
before their eyes, and it will yield its water; thus you shall bring water
for them out of the rock, and give drink to the congregation and their
animals.” 9 So Moses took the rod from before the Lord as He commanded him. 10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly together before the rock; and he said to them, “Hear now, you rebels! Must we bring water
for you out of this rock?” 11 Then Moses lifted his hand and struck the rock twice with his rod; and water came out abundantly, and the
congregation and their animals drank.

texanomaly:
*Sighs*


I am not saying the Bible is not a book of God. I believe it is, as far as it is translated correctly and where Man has not twisted it to meet his own needs.

Just because Revelations is the last book in the Bible doesn't mean it was the last book of the Bible to be written. The Bible today is a collection of writings put together into a single book.

Some of the books of the New Testament had not even been written when John wrote the book of Revelation. Even the books that had been written and were in existence at that time had not been compiled into what is now the Bible.

How could John have meant not to add any words to "the book of this prophecy" to mean the Bible, when it didn't exist, and much of what we consider the "Bible" didn't even exist when he wrote that. What's more, those later writings make up a fair portion of the New Testament. The very book most Christians get their "life plan" from.

Did John mean don't add to the Bible (which didn't exist) along with much of the New Testament or was he referring to this particular book of prophecy he had written?

many people take the book of revelation out of contex,when bible say dont add or remove word,it mean dont add your own interpretation or misinterprete thy word of God.

@op.there is no way jesus will prophecise the coming of muhammad,the last sign and wonder Allah did was with the people of talmud,he sand a she-camel to them but when they disbelief,he vow never to send sign and wonder again.but in the same quran we see jesus perfoaming sign and wonder. I can prove it at your comand.
Thank you.

lastchild:
If you check my threads you will understand my plight,I've been going through some spiritual battle lately,though its been long but became a war lately because I've seek for my freedom

I've been to deliverances and pastors and church members keep urging me to give my life to christ which is the only way out

But within inside me I'm scared of being a born again,it may sound so stupid but its true and I know someone maybe feeling the same way,I'm not scared of being a born again because I hate God,not at all,I actually love God but the list of things "mountain of fire ministries" is giving me to give up makes my heart beats louder

1) MUSIC .... For crying out loud,rap music is the only type of music I relate to,I'm what you call "hiphop head" I'm not just a fan,I'm a partaker,I've done a lot of singles,ready to drop mixtape,though I don't do this as a profession but as a hubby,I'v been following rap music since I was born,I even have a portable studio in my house where I produce,now they said I must give up listening to any earthly music

2 DRESS CODE... For christ sake,this music thing influenced me a lot, they requested I should get rid of my hair,I'm keeping this hair because I've been an active partaker in every year calabar carnival,I normally do one or two crazy things on my hair during the festival ,many people here knows exactly what this cali carnival is all about,its all fun,now must a born again go on a low cut?

3 socializing... This one is the worst,how do I quit all my friends just because they are not "born again" what about my nights out,going to club to dance,have some drink and meet new people,I'll now spend all time reading bible?

If I quit all these,am I still a human being?
Damn.. Am scared of being a born again

sorry bro,i will tell you the truth.
The three things you list are your idols,anytin you love more than God or more than doin the will of God are your idols,jesus say to the rich man"sell all you have and give to the poor" the man bend his head with dissapointed in his face,this mean he love money more than God.jesus say" deny your self take up your cross and follow me."

you must do away with all dos things first so that your heart will be clean for the holy spirit to dwell in you. Thank you.

Abdulsalam20:
are you afraid of me tou should have try to prove my response wrong...........since when i have been charring with youu you never prove me wrong for once

your knowlegde of the word of God is so weak that why i dont like repying you.

Abdulsalam20:
are you afraid of me tou should have try to prove my response wrong...........since when i have been charring with youu you never prove me wrong for once

your knowlegde of the bible is so weak that why i dont like repying you.

Abdulsalam20:
the guy is so much confused but he dont want to learn......but i think his christian mates will learn

you dont know me ,i have muslim barground.my father name is Ahmed.but today by his grace we are christians,so there is nothing you can tell me about the quran that i dont know,your knowlegde of the word of God is soo weak,it will take decade for you to understand it.

timmy2409:
Also consider this set of expressions:

Faith + Works = Results
Works - Faith = Results
Faith - Works = FAIL

Why do you think this is so?

Our God is not a magician.he is a miracle working God,magic dos not need faith,and when you dont need faith,you dont need God to believe in.

But you need faith to work miracle,faith in who? Faith in God.

@expressions. God bless you.

LordReed:
Anybody can make "prophecy" but the truth will separate the chaff from the wheat.

you are right bro. The key word in your post is "truth"

sukkot:
i troway salute my ogapatapata at the top

lol. Abeg o. No set me up....am a loyal servant to you.

sukkot:
good news ? who told you it was good news ? you have been listening to oledepo and oyahkinaira and tb moneyshua ? lmao

amos 5 vs 18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

joel 2 vs 1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess,

ebola is part of that darkness and gloominess

lmao.funny prophet. Cool guy.

LordReed.Any qustion you throw,this guy get answer for it,lol, infact he will add it with a bible verse.

OLAADEGBU:
Devil speak. Let me give you the reply that our Lord Jesus Christ gave to satan: "Thou shall not tempt the Lord your God" (Matthew 4:7).

nice reply, muslims dont know the meaning of temptation.

ifeness:
NONE!

the op say christian song,are you not an atheist? Before you post a comment,we already know your answer.

Op.mine is solomon lange.alhari[grace]

annoymous:
Lol. What's your point? Don't answer foolish questions but you can ask them, right? Interesting. Nuff said.

my point is that ,AVOID IS DIFFERENCE FROM DONT ASK.

sukkot:
oh yeah heaven and hell exist. both on earth. and inside you.

i believe hell exist, but i dont spend to much time thinking about that,it all about heaven on my mind.

Lol.that guy is waiting....maby na hm head the war go start from.

sukkot:
lol if you are on Gods side, nothing to worry about. he is the one waging the war on those who have refused to be obedient and decent citizens of earth. those who are creating hell on earth. the adulterers, fornicators, thieves, killers, 419ers, etc etc etc. its time to cleanse the earth of evil. he is waging war on the evil with evil. the only thing they fear. when it is all said and done the earth will be a righteous place again and heaven would be created on earth. it is a good thing. it will be rough but eventually all will be well. just hang in there my bros

you are very correct.
There is one certin time in my life that i forgot hell exist,i only think about Heaven,but when i join nairaland,it all about hell,the athiest talk more about hell than anytin els,that is when the thought about hell come to my mind.

There is one guy on nairaland,i dont want to sommond him,am looking forward to your meating with hm.

annoymous:
It's that what you think or what the Bible says? Because I know the Bible says in Titus 3:9 (KJV) 'but avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain'

avoid foolish qustion mean we shuld answer the one's that are wise,this verse dos not say "dont ask qustion" but it say"AVOID the silly one's"

but the quran go straight to the point. DONT ask qustion

sukkot:
ok let me say this, this will definitely happen this year. The celestial signs are in place that God is going to / is already waging war on humans ( those not saved ). and the two dates i gave are valid dates. now the war The LORD wages on people can come in many forms, of the way the LORD will wage the war i cant be 100 percent accurate but i can tell you for a fact the war on humans has began. now can this war come in the form of killing millions or even billions of people with ebola ? it is possible. i say all that to say this >>> BREAKING NEWS TODAY, A DAY BEFORE THE 15TH, THE EBOLA VACCINATION HAS BEEN CREATED AND I THINK EVERYONE WILL BE FORCED AT GUNPOINT TO TAKE THAT VACCINATION OR BE KILLED. YOU DO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU TAKE THAT EBOLA VACCINATION ? YOU GET EBOLA AND DIE. SO YEAH THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO KILL OF 100 OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. HERE IS THE VIDEO. JUST OUT TODAY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngClVt4WBmI

of course the ww3 will happen too, but i say all that to say the LORD wages war on people in many ways. i made a prediction in july about the LORD waging war on people and that is when this whole ebola thing started. point being war from the Lord takes many forms. ww3 is just one of the forms. i think i need to just say the Lords war on humans has began as opposed to trying to predict in what form this war will come in.

God help us.

sukkot:
It may or may not be. i gave more than one dates bros

it may not be tommorow or next or maby this year.but one thing for sure,the wicked will pay for there sin.
You are not far from the truth.

annoymous:
When he says things which if made plain to you may cause you more trouble, he is not talking about basic things in the Qur'an. For example, you start asking questions like what does God look like? Who created God? Does God eat? Etc. Asking unnecessary questions like that was a trait the Israelites of old had and it was their undoing.

http://versebyversequranstudycircle./2013/06/16/tafseer-surah-al-maidah-ayaat-101-and-102/

well,that's Allah comand, but my bible advice me to be ready for any qustion giving to you.jesus even say"they will set you in the midst of kings,do not be afraid of what to say,the holy spirit will call to your remembrance"

kilokeys:
lol.. when d guy don wan die... im go confess shaperly.. cos he is a smart man. what would be the use not believing?, he would reason..
its better to believe and not exist in the afterlife than not believing and seeing it actually exists.

man search the heart outwardly but GOD SEARCH INWARDLY.BEFORE YOU PRAY,HE ALREADY kNOW WHAT YOU WANT.

sukkot:
there is always a miniscule margin of error on the date but not the fact that it will kick off in a few days time. i am not God. but rest assured it is before the end of this month

i like your confidence brother,am impress.

udatso:
I have numbered your quoted comment so that I can reply to you comprehensively. I will be very brief with my replies.
1.

if your father's name is muhammad and your mother's name is aisha and they are both muslims, does that make you a muslim?

2.

if the solution for a recurrence relation is Aⁿ + B³ as it was thought by the teacher, after 10 years, innovation gets in and it was then solved the wrong way thereby leading to wrong answers but they didnt care cos they felt it was right. then later someone came to correct it and restore it to the original way it was solved. tell me , will you accuse the person who corrected their ways of following their footsteps?

let me make it easier for you.
mr A built mosque for. the worship of God, after some years, it was turned to a shrine, thrn later mr B came and cleared the house of idols and restore it back to what it was. are you going to accuse mr B of being a pagan?

lastly I want you to know that idol worshipping as you have confirmed yourself has no place in islam . the fact that the mode of worship might look like idol worshipping to you doesn't make it so……



for once pull hear from bigotry and see it used for what its meant for

1. Your father, a pagan,use to perfoam a ritual,if you are a prophet of the true God.will you continue the ritual in worshiping God?you know it wrong. 2.muhammad introducd allah ,his father gods when he destroyed the 360 god and then introduce his father god as Allah.

Abdulsalam20:
little addition to udatso response



I HAVE ANSWERED THIS QUESTION FOR YOU BEFORE
JUST THINK OF IT YOU SAID HE CONTINUE THE RELIGION OF HIS PARENT THEN WHY DID HE SAID HIS PARENT ARE KUFR AND THEY ARE IN HELL TO BUTRESS MY POINT; [b]
There is a hadeeth from the Prophet (peace and
blessings of Allaah be upon him) which indicates that
they are in Hell.
Muslim (203) narrated from Anas (may Allaah be
pleased with him) that a man said: “O Messenger of
Allaah, where is my father?” He said: “In Hell.” When he
turned away he called

ANOTHER HADITH;

Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
This shows that whoever dies in a state of kufr will be in
Hell. And being related to one who is close to Allaah will
not avail him anything. It also shows that whoever died
during the fatrah (the interval between the Prophethood
of ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) and that of Muhammad
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) and was
the follower of the way of the Arabs at that time, which
was idol worship, will also be among the people of Hell.
There is no excuse for the call not reaching them,
because the call of Ibraaheem and other Prophets
(peace be upon them) had reached these people


THE FACT THAT HIS FATHER NAME WAS ABDULLAH(SERVANT OF GOD)
IS BECAUSE ISLAM HAS BEEN IN EXISTENT AREAB ARE DESCEDANT OF ISMAHEEL ISMAHEEL AND IS FATHER BUILT THE KAABA IN MEKKA AND THAT IS WHY GOING TO HAJJ IS PRESCRIBED FOR YOU AND CHRISTIAN REJECT IT LIKE I WAS SAYING...AFTER THE DEATH OF ABRAHAM AND ISMAHEEL THEY INCLUDE ANOTHER THING TO ISLAM AND REFORM IT BY WORSHIPING IDOL AND WHEN MUHAMAD THE LAST PROPHET CAME HE DESTROY ALL THE IDOL AND SAY PLAINLY THAT HIS PARENT ARE IN HELL FOR WOSHIPING IDOL IF HE IS TO CONTINUER THE DEEN OF HIS FATHER HE WILL HAVE SAID HIS FATHER IS IN HEAVEN [/b]

you are only exposing your self,allowu udatso to relply he is more interlingent than you,you are making things hard for hm.muhammad called his father kafur but he say IT IS NO SIN FOR ANYONE WHO PERFOARM TAWAF BETWEEN SAFA AND MARWA. Dos your post make sens bro?
Abeg go seat down.

Abdulsalam20:
how can i be confused never! when i have the quran anything the quran says dont doubt it it is the only word of god that is not tampered


CONCERNING YOUR POST

YOU DIDNT ANSWER MY EARLIER QUESTION OO JESUS NEVER PERACH GRACE HE COMMAND US TO FOLLOW THE OT BUT PAUL THE ANTICHRIST FOOL YOU

the verse christians always bring tojustify grace is that verse concerning the woman and if you understand the verse you will see that jesdus did not preach anything like that

AND THE MAIN REASON WHY CHRISTIANS ARE AFRAID TO FOLLOW THE OT IS BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN TAMPERD WITH SOME LAWS ARE NOT COMMANDED BY GOD AND THAT IS WHY GOD REVEAL THE QURAN THAT CAN NEVER BE TAMPERED WITH



BUT YOU CAN PROVE ME WRONG CONCERNING JESUS AND THE WOMAN IF I LIE SIR BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEENTRYING TO AVOID IT

IMAGINE NO WONDER MANY HONEST CHRISTIAN TURN ATHEIST
YOU SHOULD KILL AND BE LEAVED ALONE ONCE YOU APPEAL TO GOD

A PERSON SHOULD STEAL AND WE SHOULD LEAVE HIM ALONE,

jesus dint just preach grace,he act with grace, he gave the woman a second chance.


Muslims believe that while the Bible has become corrupted, the Qur’an
is free from corruption. OUR QUESTION IS: Since the Qur’an admits that the Torah, Psalms and the Gospel are the
Words of God (Surah 5:44; Surah 4:163; Surah 5:46) and the Words of God cannot be changed (Surah 10:64), then does not this confirm that each time you claim the Bible to be corrupted, you are in fact
proving the Qur’an to be false? How can the corrupted Bible accurately state that the earth is round
(Isaiah 40:22) and that it hangs upon nothing (Job 26:7) while the uncorrupted Qur’an inaccurately states that the earth is as flat as a
spread out carpet? (Surah 15:19 / Surah 43:10). How can a corrupt book be scientifically more accurate than an
uncorrupted book? Even though Muslims claim the Bible to be corrupted, why do they
still accept as true that it prophesized the coming of Muhammad?
Why do you quote Deuteronomy 18:18 and John 16:13 as uncorrupted prophecies of Muhammad in the Bible? Why do you, as a Muslim, still use this very same corrupted Bible to
validate Muhammad’s prophethood? Is it logical for someone
claiming the food to be poisoned, to still find parts of it suitable for
consumption? Can you prove when the Bible became corrupted? In other words, up
to what period of time in history was the “true uncorrupted Bible” in
circulation? Where are the “uncorrupted Bibles” now to give evidence of the
corruption of the Bibles we have today? To prove that the dollar somebody holds is forged, you have to have
the authentic dollar to compare it with the forged dollar. Do Muslims
have the “true authentic Bible” to compare it with the Bible that we
have today? Since the entire Muslim world is unable to produce a single copy of
the supposedly “authentic Bible,” does not this then prove that the
claim of Bible corruption is totally unsubstantiated? What happened
to Allah’s promise to preserve his messages? (Surah 15:9). Does not this then prove that the Bible in our possession is actually
the original authentic Bible that Allah has promised to preserve? Do you realize that by believing that the Bible has become corrupted,
you are actually saying that Allah lied in the Qur’an? ( Surah 18:27). When Muhammad had doubts, Allah told him to seek out those who
studied the Bible in order to clear his doubts. Surah 10:94: “And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture that was before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.” (Pickthall) Those who read the Scriptures before Muhammad were the Jews and
the Christians. They read the Torah and the Gospel. We continue with our questions: When do you believe the Bible was corrupted, was this before or
after Muhammad? If before, does it make sense for Allah to direct Muhammad to seek
out those read corrupted Scriptures to clear his doubt? If before, why did Allah command Muhammad to seek guidance from
corrupted Scriptures to clear his doubts? If before, how can Allah say in the Qur’an that there is guidance and
light in the Torah and the Gospels? (Surah 5:44-46)
If after, how is this possible since the current translations of the Bible
are all based upon manuscripts that predate Muhammad? Since these ancient manuscripts are preserved in museums, is not the
claim by Muslims a lie?

Abdulsalam20:
SOLOMON WILL SAY ANYTHING BASED ON THE TEACHING OF GOD OF GOD DID NOT OMMAND HIM TO SAY IT HE WONT SAY IT............CONFUSED MAN JUST THINK OF IT
2 Timothy 2:23 ►
Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid
arguments, because you know they produce
quarrels.



IF GOD DID NOT INSPIRE IT TO SOLOMON HE WONT SAY IT

it was clearly state in the quran,allah forbid you to ask qustion but 2timothy2:23 was talking about agument.

udatso:
bring your proof if what you say is the truth

MUHAMMAD AS A PROPHET Muhammad’s father’s name was AbduAllah (Abdullai) and his mother’s
name was Aminah. His grandfather’s name was Muttalib. They were
idol worshipers. A careful study of islam brought by Muhammad
reveals that it is a continuation of his father’s idol worship even
though they said islam is against any form of idol worship. Islam is not
idol worship on the pages of quran but it is in truth and practice. Let us examine islamic mode of worship: 1. TAWAF BETWEEN SAFA AND
MARWA Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual
associated
with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located
at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the
two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic practice. Muhammad retained it for Islam, sanctioning it with yet
another Qur'anic revelations. Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik:
"Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?"
He said, "Yes, AS IT WAS
THE CEREMONIES OF THE DAYS OF PRE-ISLAMIC PERIOD OF IGNORANCE
TILL Allah REVEALED 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al- Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him
who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to
perform Tawaf between them.' " (Quran 2.158)
(Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710)
You can see from the above hadith that what was being practiced by
idol worshipers before islam was incorporated into it. I mean islam continues with the ways of idol worshipers. 2. REQUIREMENT OF IHRAM
Ihram is a state a Muslim enters into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It
involves a series of procedures like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram
garments', etc. Ihram was originally a pagan requirement for
worshipping idols during pre-Islamic times. Muhammad retained this
practice for Islam. Muslims assume Ihram to perform the Hajj or Umrah. Narrated 'Urwa: I asked 'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was
revealed concerning the Ansar who used to assume “Ihram” for
worshipping an idol called “Manat” which they used to worship at a
place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced Islam, and whoever
assumed Ihram (for the idol), would consider it not right to perform
Tawaf between Safa and Marwa. (Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706)
They continued their pagan ways of worship even when they
embraced islam. 3. PRAYING 5 TIMES TOWARDS MECCA Pagans prior to
Islam would pray five times per day towards Mecca.
Muhammad retained for Islam, this pre-Islamic practice, sanctioning it
with a story of a night trip to heaven on a mythical beast called al- Buraq. In heaven, the Hadith tells us that Allah demanded 50 prayers
per day per Muslim. Upon advice from Moses, Muhammed bargains
with Allah and successfully reduces it to five prayers per day.
Zoroastrians are also expected to recite their (kusti) prayers at least
five times a day.