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sukkot:
we are all clones

Abdulsalam20:
just prove me wrong that grace is false answer the question about the woman nw

you said grace? look at this you said arabs are living by law this means christian live lawlesness because if you see a government stoning an adulterer to death and you condemn them........this simply means you abolish the law ......pls think of it yourself

when cutting of thieve hand is in the bible........when people do it you reject it you are simply abolishing the law

when we give a drunkard 100 lashes you go against it you are simply abolishing the law.......mr man

YOU SAID IF I COMMIT SIN I SHOULD JUST REPENT THIS MEANS IF I KILL NO LAW I SHOULD JUST REPENT

IF I BURN YOUR HOUSE I SHOULD JUST REPENT TO GOD.......THAT IS LAWLESSNESS JESUS THE SON OF MAN NEVER PREACH THIS PAUL THE ANTICHRIST FOOL YOU GUYS

OYA ANSWER MY QUESTION AM I RIGHT CONCERNING MY POST ABOUT THE WOMAN OR NOT WAITIING FOR YOUR RESPONSE

Abdulsalam20:
YOU DERAIL AGAIN OOO.......BUT I WILL REPLY
THIS SHOWS YOU DONT READ WHAT I POSTED

OK LOOK AT THIS QUESTION

WHERE IS MY CAMEL WHEN YOU HAVE LOST IT
DOES THIS QUESTION MAKE SENSE? JUST ASK YOUR SELF THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN A PERSON IS ASKING QUESTION TO MAKE JEST

dont misquote the verse the verse is not saying dont ask question you can ask question but sensible one



DID YOU BOTHER TO READ THE BIBLE AT ALL ARE U AN ATHEIEST

Do not say, "Why were the old days better than
these?" For it is not wise to ask such questions.

Ecclesiastes 7:10


hope you have learn

Abdulsalam20:
THIS IS WHAT YOU POSTED
The verse you quote are the old testement law,the live by the
law of God, and when you live by the law of God,you break
it,you will pay for it,but today christ has giving us his
grace,but you guys in the arab live by the law and deny the
grace of God throught christ Jesus at 2;02pm octomber 13
u said peope live by the law then and we live by grace nw that jesus give you grace and YOU EVEN SAID ONLY ARAB LIVE BY THE LAW PLS WHAT DOES THIS MEAN.........I CAN NEVER LIE AGAINST YOU BRO I WILL RATHER KEEP QUIET AND
i posted
(Matthew
5:17-18 and (Matthew 23:1-3)


AND YOU GAVE ME A WRONG INSTANCE OF THE WAY YOU THINK JESUS SAY YOU SHOULD FOLLOW IT..........AND I PROVE YOU WRONG WHICH I AM STILL EXPETING YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG

udatso:
nice proof. but the proof you gave me is either for atheist or idol worshippers who don't belief in the existence of God or worship idols respectively. and the last time I checked am none of the two. read the quran verse again and give the proof needed . if your brain can't understand a simple demand, am sorry I can't help you with that.

Abdulsalam20:
malvisguy again
Allaah Says (what means): { O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they
are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Quran is being
revealed, they will be shown to you. Allaah has pardoned it [i.e. that which is past]; and
Allaah is Forgiving and Forbearing. A people asked such [questions] before you; then they
became thereby disbelievers.} [Quran 5:101-102]
]
This verse prohibits the Muslims from asking about things they have no benefit in asking
about, because if such matters appear to them it may be harmful to them and it will be
difficult for them to hear it, like the person who asked the Prophet : ‘‘Where is my father
(in the Hereafter)? The Prophet replied: ‘‘In Hellfire.’’, or the person who asked about
Hajj: ‘‘Is it every year, o Prophet of Allaah?’’, whereupon the Prophet replied: ‘‘No, and if
I replied by ‘yes’, it would become an obligation on you to perform it every year and you will
not be able to do so .’’
These examples are reported about the reasons for which the verse was revealed, and similar
to this are the questions asked just in order to mock the person or to ask rigid questions
without any benefit.
To conclude, this verse was revealed because of asking about things that have no benefit, or
because of asking too much, or asking in order to mock, or test someone or to argue with
him only for the sake of argument.
As regards asking the scholars about the matters of religion or asking people of experience
about beneficial things in this worldly life, then this is not included in the probation of asking.

LOOK AT THIS QUESTION ALSO
"Some people used to question
the Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam) to
mock him. One of them would ask, `Who is my father,' while
another would ask, `Where is my camel,' when he lost his
camel. Allah sent down this Ayah about them,
O you who believe! Ask noHOPE YOU UNDERSTAND NOW

Abdulsalam20:
I WILL TELL YOU THE WAY THE BIBLE PRESENT IS NOT LOGICAL
YOU SAID JESUS IS GOD ND JESUS WAS SLAPPED BY MAN IN THE BIBLE
YOU SAID JESUS IS GOD AND HE RAN TO A FOREST TO BE SAVE FROM PEOPLE

YOU SAID JESUS IS A DRUNKARD

EVEN THE WAY YOU PRESENT YOUR REAL GOD IS SO BAD BIBLE HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH BADLY


The New International Version of
Genesis 3:8-11, reads,“Then the man
and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in
the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God
among the trees of the garden. (9) But the LORD God called to the
man, “Where are you?” (10) He answered, “I heard you in the garden,
and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” 11 And he said, “Who
told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I
commanded you not to eat from?”



Here, God is pictured as walking in the garden in the cool of the day.
What is even more astonishing is that Adam and Eve were able to hide
from God and he had to ask, “Where are you?” If a human is able to
hide from Him in the garden, how is it that this Lord is going to have
knowledge of the sins that people commit? It would be difficult for
any human to gender in his heart the kind of love and fear of God that
he should have when he believes that his God is so faulty and weak
that an event like this could occur to him.


In Genesis 32:24-28, there is the story and literal description of Jacob
wrestling with and defeating God. In verse 28, it says,

“You [Jacob] have wrestled withGod and with men, and you have
won.” In other words, the creator of the universe whom mankind is
expected to worship and submit to was defeated by a mere mortal in a
wrestling match.


The Old Testament even picturesGod as one who intended to do evil
but then repented. Exodus32:14states:
“And the Lord repented of theevil which he thought to do unto his
people” ( KingJames Version ). It would not be surprising for anyone to
turn away from God and not consider Him worthy of worship if He
himself has to repent from His own evil.




The Old and New Testamentsdistort the image of the prophets and
defame them. Some prophetsgot drunk! Some showed their unclothedness
to others! Some pretendfoolishness! And some fornicate and commit
adultery!


what rubbish GOD IS MORE THAN THAT SUBHANALLAH

Abdulsalam20:
you are eating you word you said jesus abolish the law with grace now you are saying another thing
[b]

I WILL REPLY BECAUSE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND YOUR BOOK$

DID you know the reason why jesus did not command them to stone the woman?
1.THEY ONLY BOUGHT THE WOMAN WHY?WHY WHERE IS THE MAN THAT COMMIT ADULTERY WITH THE WOMAN AT LEAST THERE MUST BE TWO PARTY INVOLVED BOTH OF THEM WERE CAUGHT RED HANDED AND ONLY THE WOMAN WAS BROUGHT if jesus implement it he will be accused of hypocrisy because only the woman cant commit adultery there must be two party involved therefore it is evident that they only want to implicate the woman if not they should have bought both of them.....the woman is innocent

2.the jews want to implictate jesus because jesus is not a king and the rule during that time is only king can pass death sentence......bercause the jew hate jesus they want to implicate him to kill a woman innoently.....so that jesus will be killed for going against the couintry rule

Notice that John 8:6 clearly says
"They were using this question as a trap" , which clearly
means that the situation of John 8:1-11 was no more than a
trap to make Jesus peace be upon him make a mistake.
That's why HE DIDN'T ALLOW THEM TO OUT SMART HIM
AND FORCE HIM TO GIVE ANY JUDGMENT AGAINST THE
WOMAN. Jesus peace be upon him didn't in anyway
nullify the Laws of GOD Almighty regarding punishment
for adultery.

TRY TO UNDERSTAND YOUR SCRIPTURE IS IT YOU THAT DOESNT UNDERSTAND THIS THAT WILL BELIEVE JESUS IS A PROPHET OF GOD AND HE NEVER ABOLISH THE LAW and will understand that muhammad is prophesised in your book

1:187 And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made!

AM LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE YOU CAN QUOTE WHERE I AM WRONG
"Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 'The
teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So
you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But
do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they
preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) " We clearly see in these verses
that Jesus peace be upon him did not prohibit for the Old
Testament to be followed, but only warned his followers to
not follow it the way the current religious leaders of the
Law (the Jewish Rabies) were following it because they dont practice it wel they punish the oor and leave the prominent
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sukkot:
brother i am on meat not milk lol

isaiah 53 vs 3 -4 3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. <<< JESUS CHRIST ON EARTH TODAY BEFORE THE SECOND COMING. BUNCH OF MEN WALKING AROUND TODAY. THIS WHY SCRIPTURE SAYS BE NICE TO STRANGERS CUZ YOU NEVER KNOW IF ITS AN ANGEL ( JESUS CHRIST ARE ANGELS). FINISH THE WHOLE CHAPTER 53 TO GET THE GIST. SEE THE LORD IS THE MASTER DIRECTOR. HE USED THE MOST DOWNTRODDEN TO CONFOUND THE RICH. SO HE HAS PURPOSELY MADE JESUS CHRIST DOWNTRODDEN IN THE LAST DAYS SO THAT IN THE RESSURECTION EVERYONE WILL BE CONFOUNDED. OF COURSE TO UNDERSTAND ALL THIS YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND REINCARNATION.

udatso:
AND THEY claim, "None shall ever enter paradise
unless he be a Jew" - or, "a Christian". Such are
their wishful beliefs! Say: "Produce an evidence
for what you are claiming, if what you say is
true!"


qur'an 2:11

sukkot:
Jesus Christ will come, but he is coming from the ground up and not from the sky down. meaning they are somewhere on earth now afflicted and downtrodden. then BOOM when they get resurrected spiritually, that beggar you used to give 5 naira, you find out he is Jesus Christ. it will blow your mind away. read isaiah chapter 52

sukkot:
yeah many people dont understand the bible. they are waiting for one man to come down from the sky. a white man at that

sukkot:
well Jesus is different from Jesus Christ. Jesus is the word of God which is the bible. the bible is Jesus ( revelation 19 vs 13 tells you that ). Jesus Christ on the other hand are humans on earth. Jesus is the word and christ means anointed. so Jesus Christ is a group of men called the 144 thousand who are anointed with the word, meaning their spirit is programmed with the word. Jesus Christ is a title not someones name. and there are more than one Jesus Christ. Thanks a bunches

annoymous:
Lol. Where did you hear that from? That's prolly the funniest thing I have ever heard on nairaland. Dyu know people go to University to study the Qur'an? There is no such thing as don't question what is written in the Qur'an. I was referring to the thread on contradictions in the Bible by Frosbel that once made FP. The fact that you don't have doubts in faith on that Accord doesn't mean no Christian does.

Weah96:
Dam)n Malvis, this guy's too strong for you.

Abdulsalam20:
in the first place where did jesus abolish it?
see what jesus said

Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to
abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to
abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until
heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the
least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from
the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew
5:17-18

also
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to
his disciples: 'The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit
in Moses' seat. So you must obey them and do everything
they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not
practice what they preach.' (Matthew 23:1-3) " We clearly
see in these verses that Jesus peace be upon him did not
prohibit for the Old Testament to be followed, but only
warned his followers to not follow it the way the current
religious leaders of the Law (the Jewish Rabies) were
following it.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE ANTICHRIST PAUL LIED TO YOU WHICH I PROVED IN THE OTHER THREAD I EXPECT YOU TO PROVE IT WRONG......BT U COULDNT.....THERE IS NOTHING LIKE GRACE


moreover i posted the verse to let you know that slavery is a common thing in the olden days because the way u posted it u think only in the quran slavery is mentioned.....and u dont bother to read your book first......yisa(pbuh) never preach grace paul fool you people i will only believe in paul if you can prove to me that he is not an antichrist


did you know what is debate you are d one who dont know how todebate you ignore the truth if i gave my point you will give me a reason why it is wrong and if what you posted is fallacy i can still further prove myself......at times i might nt want to reply but i will feel you mighht think what u posted is true but on your side

GO AND LEARN WHAT DEBATE IS

Abdulsalam20:
try to earn what cristianity entails

EXODUS 21:7-11
WHEN A MAN SELLS HIS DAUGHTER AS A SLAVE, SHE WILL
NOT BE
FREED AT THE END OF SIX YEARS AS THE MEN ARE. IF SHE
DOES
NOT PLEASE THE MAN WHO BOUGHT HER, HE MAY ALLOW
HER TO
BE BOUGHT BACK AGAIN. BUT HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO SELL
HER TO
FOREIGNERS, SINCE HE IS THE ONE WHO BROKE THE
CONTRACT WITH
HER. AND IF THE SLAVE GIRL'S OWNER ARRANGES FOR HER
TO
MARRY HIS SON, HE MAY NO LONGER TREAT HER AS A
SLAVE GIRL,
BUT HE MUST TREAT HER AS HIS DAUGHTER. IF HE HIMSELF
MARRIES HER AND THEN TAKES ANOTHER WIFE, HE MAY NOT
REDUCE HER FOOD OR CLOTHING OR FAIL TO SLEEP WITH
HER AS HIS
WIFE. IF HE FAILS IN ANY OF THESE THREE WAYS, SHE MAY
LEAVE
AS A FREE WOMAN WITHOUT MAKING ANY PAYMENT.



THIS IS A SEX SLAVE. IF SHE DOESNT PLEASE THE
MASTER? HOW IS SHE SUPPOSED TOPLEASE HIM
infact slaves are treated more better in islam than christianity........you can open a thread for it and get beautiful response

I JUST PITY YOU CHRITIANS


anyway am still waiting for your response in the thread you opened elizabeth......bla bla bla

lalasticlala:
With the way some self acclaimed born again Christians behave sometime, one may not easily differentiate between them and those that are not born again.

So many Christians have abused this born again thing so much. Almost everybody claims to be born again when asked. Some even use their mouth to tell you that they are born again.

I once trusted an associate pastor, a born again, before and helped him by lending him some money. He promised to pay within a month or so. I did that when the shop he & his wife manage got burnt. But he couldn't pay as he promised. It lingered up to 2 years. Each time I asked for my money, he would make promises which he never fulfilled. At a time, I started collecting things from his shop and he was subtracting the money, and he also paid in stipends until I got my money back without using it for tangible thing. Meanwhile, he had grown up children that are doing fine. Of course they use to send him money.

This is just one out of the several experiences I have had with some 'born again' Christians.

I have equally encountered two born again Christians that I believe were real. Their characters spoke for them.

So are you a born again Christian?

Can you boldly tell us that you are a born again Christian?

Does your life style portray you as a true born again Christan?

What Qualities should born again Christians exhibit?

So many questions that need answers.

udatso:
i have read the op and its really not worth replying to. different words and personality of certain people mean different things for both faiths(Islam and Christianity ). for example when you call jesus (pbuh), as a muslim i see a prophet and messenger of Allah but a christian on the other hand sees a God. how can you go to the quran and quote verses to prove that in islam only Allah deserves the title Lord and then you go to the bible to quote verses where david and elizabeth addresses jesus as lord and then conclude that with respect to the bible the quran proves or shows that jesus was worshipped as God. Are you insane? Give us evidence where the quran shows that they did. Atleast let there be some level of maturity in your lies if you cant stop it. The fact that you are trying to force your teachings into a different faith from yours is not only dubious but mischievous. sam shamoun who has earned himself a status of international liar always comes up with distorted and spurious claims and i thought by now you guys should have learnt that his nefarious acts should be totally ignored

udatso:
"Before Abraham was, l am,"
John 8:58 is one of the most misused verses of the Bible. Because Jesus in that verse says "Before Abraham was, I am," two implications, one unnecessary, and the other false, are drawn from that verse. The unnecessary implication is that since Jesus existed before Abraham that means he existed always. This is a preconceived notion that people force into the text. "Before Abraham" does not mean "always". Melchezidek in the Bible is shown to have existed before Abraham (Hebrews 7:3). Does that mean that Melchezidek is God? Obviously, we cannot take a created being as God.
The false implication is that Jesus by saying "I am" was uttering God's name which God declared to Moses in Exodus 3:14-15. The Bible is confusing On this Point because it gives three versions of God's calling Moses, and the three versions do not agree with each other. The best that can be said is that the name of God announced there is Yahweh. Compare the three versions below:
1. The Yahwist version (Exod 6:28 - 7:7) says nothing about the name of God being revealed because for the Yahwist editors the name Yahweh was already known among the Israelites. They say that this name was being used since the time of Enosh, the grandson of Adam (Genesis 4:26).
2. The priestly version (Exod 6:2-13) contradicts this by saYing that this name was not known before (Exod 6:2). God's command to Moses here is So say to the Israelites, "lam Yahweh ..." (Exod 6:6), and Moses repeated this to them (6:9).

3. But in the Elohist version (Exod 3:13-22) God's instruction to Moses is different. This is what you are to say to the Israelites. "I am has sent me to you" (Exod 3: 15). It would appear from this that God's name is "I am," but it is clear upon careful study that in this passage the Elohist scribes substituted "I am" for "Yahweh" in the same instruction given in (Exod 6:6).

udatso:
"Before Abraham was, l am,"
John 8:58 is one of the most misused verses of the Bible. Because Jesus in that verse says "Before Abraham was, I am," two implications, one unnecessary, and the other false, are drawn from that verse. The unnecessary implication is that since Jesus existed before Abraham that means he existed always. This is a preconceived notion that people force into the text. "Before Abraham" does not mean "always". Melchezidek in the Bible is shown to have existed before Abraham (Hebrews 7:3). Does that mean that Melchezidek is God? Obviously, we cannot take a created being as God.
The false implication is that Jesus by saying "I am" was uttering God's name which God declared to Moses in Exodus 3:14-15. The Bible is confusing On this Point because it gives three versions of God's calling Moses, and the three versions do not agree with each other. The best that can be said is that the name of God announced there is Yahweh. Compare the three versions below:
1. The Yahwist version (Exod 6:28 - 7:7) says nothing about the name of God being revealed because for the Yahwist editors the name Yahweh was already known among the Israelites. They say that this name was being used since the time of Enosh, the grandson of Adam (Genesis 4:26).
2. The priestly version (Exod 6:2-13) contradicts this by saYing that this name was not known before (Exod 6:2). God's command to Moses here is So say to the Israelites, "lam Yahweh ..." (Exod 6:6), and Moses repeated this to them (6:9).

3. But in the Elohist version (Exod 3:13-22) God's instruction to Moses is different. This is what you are to say to the Israelites. "I am has sent me to you" (Exod 3: 15). It would appear from this that God's name is "I am," but it is clear upon careful study that in this passage the Elohist scribes substituted "I am" for "Yahweh" in the same instruction given in (Exod 6:6).

udatso:
"Before Abraham was, l am,"
John 8:58 is one of the most misused verses of the Bible. Because Jesus in that verse says "Before Abraham was, I am," two implications, one unnecessary, and the other false, are drawn from that verse. The unnecessary implication is that since Jesus existed before Abraham that means he existed always. This is a preconceived notion that people force into the text. "Before Abraham" does not mean "always". Melchezidek in the Bible is shown to have existed before Abraham (Hebrews 7:3). Does that mean that Melchezidek is God? Obviously, we cannot take a created being as God.
The false implication is that Jesus by saying "I am" was uttering God's name which God declared to Moses in Exodus 3:14-15. The Bible is confusing On this Point because it gives three versions of God's calling Moses, and the three versions do not agree with each other. The best that can be said is that the name of God announced there is Yahweh. Compare the three versions below:
1. The Yahwist version (Exod 6:28 - 7:7) says nothing about the name of God being revealed because for the Yahwist editors the name Yahweh was already known among the Israelites. They say that this name was being used since the time of Enosh, the grandson of Adam (Genesis 4:26).
2. The priestly version (Exod 6:2-13) contradicts this by saYing that this name was not known before (Exod 6:2). God's command to Moses here is So say to the Israelites, "lam Yahweh ..." (Exod 6:6), and Moses repeated this to them (6:9).

3. But in the Elohist version (Exod 3:13-22) God's instruction to Moses is different. This is what you are to say to the Israelites. "I am has sent me to you" (Exod 3: 15). It would appear from this that God's name is "I am," but it is clear upon careful study that in this passage the Elohist scribes substituted "I am" for "Yahweh" in the same instruction given in (Exod 6:6).

udatso:
I like malvisguy212 for this, when he creates topics like this, he gives opportunity to fellow christians to learn as so many things are been exposed. … even though he might not want to learn
at thesame time he saves us the stress of creating the threads .

udatso:
The truth is there for everyone to see. @ larow May Allah open your eyes to the truth. malvisguy212. thanks for giving us the opportunity to expose the truth.

udatso:
"I and the Father are one"
John 10:30 is often quoted to show that Jesus is equal to God. But when you read the verse in its context you will find that the passage taken as a whole proves the opposite.
People are often content to quote the verse in isolation to show that Jesus said "1 and the Father are one" and then the Jews picked up stones to stone him because they understood him to mean that he is claiming to be God. It is only when you read the passage to see what comes before and after this verse that you will realize that the Jews misunderstood what Jesus was saying.
In fact, Jesus tried to explain what he meant, and the explanation he gave is still in the Bible for everyone to see. It is surprising that so many people who say they love Jesus ignore his explanation and repeat the mistake which was made by the enemies of Jesus. Here is the passage as it appears in the New International Version of the Bible:
(22)It was winter,( 23) and Jesus was in the temple area, walking in Solomon's Colonnade. (24) "The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." (25)Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, (26)"but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. (27) "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. (28) "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, no one can snatch them out of my hand. (29)"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. (30) "I and the Father are one."
(31) "Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him,(32) "but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" (33) "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." (34) Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? (35) "If he called them 'gods' to whom the word of God came - and the scripture cannot be broken - (36) "what about one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?"
(John 10:22-36).
The passage when viewed as a whole shows clearly that Jesus is not God. Let us observe the following points:
1. The disbelieving Jews insisted that Jesus should tell them if indeed he is the Christ so they should not remain in suspense about his identity (verse 24). A Christ as the title is used in the Bible refers to a human being who is anointed as King of Israel. The title is used for other humans as well (e.g. Isaiah 45:1, Cyrus the Persian is called God's Christ). The Jews were expecting another Christ (Christ is a Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word Messiah, and the Arabic word Maseeh). So they asked Jesus whether he was the one they were waiting for. Jesus replied that he had already told them, and he even performed miracles in God's name to prove his claim to be the Christ (verse 25), yet they do not believe him (verse 26) because they are not Jesus' sheep (verse 26). Those whom the Father had given to Jesus, are Jesus' sheep (followers), and they believe Jesus when he said that he is the Christ (verses 27-29).

alexleo:
Bro lets go there straight away.

A muslim is one who declares for islam in nairaland before he can open a thread in the muslim section or he gets banned forever.
A muslim is one who declares for islam in boko haram camp or he gets killed.
A muslim is one who declares for islam and in reward gets some gifts of cash and other items. My towns man did it and he was given money. In Saudi Arabia we see it happening. In Nigeria we see it happening.

This is entirely different from what it takes to be a christian or a follower of Christ.

Zedric:
If this "just" God was so just, why would he allow the abundance of religions and then say if we follow their doctrine, we have to burn in a lake of fire? Common, why can't he just make it 1 religion? Or does Ur God like practical jokes?



Btw, op I have pondered abt this countless times and the conclusion I always arrive at is that there is no hell or that you will be judged according to Ur good deeds and not who/what you believe in. Let's take Islam vs Christianity has an example, Xtains believe all Muslims will go to hell and vice versa, right? So what happens if God supports the Sihks? Every Muslim and Christian will go to hell? No matter Ur good deeds? Is God that wicked? I honestly see religion has nothing but a propaganda to control the human population, a propaganda that is very effective