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According to the Qur’an the final miracle performed by Allah was a
huge she-camel that he produced out of a rock.
Surah 7:73: “Indeed there has come to you a clear sign (the miracle of the coming out of a huge she camel from the midst of a rock) from your Lord.” (Hilali-Khan)
And Surah 17:59 gives us the reason why Allah stopped sending miracles anymore after he had miraculously produced the she-camel out of a rock.
Surah 17:59: “And We refrain from sending the Signs, only because the men of former generations treated them as false: We sent the she-camel to the Thamud to open their eyes, but they treated her wrongfully: We only send the Signs by way of terror (and warning from evil).” (Yusuf Ali)

As we can see, the word “Sign” in this verse denotes the visible and clearly observable miracle of Allah. The Sign or Miracle that Allah sent in this specific instant was a she-camel that was visible to the people of Thamud. The miracle was sent to open their eyes but they treated
the she-camel wrongly and killed her. After this incident, Allah decided not to send any more miracles in the future. What can we conclude by
the above words of Allah in Surah 17:59?


1. It shows that Allah has “stopped sending miracles.” This means that long before the coming of Muhammad, Allah has decided to stop
sending miracles. Hence, if the Qur’an is true, then Muhammad could
not have performed any miracle. Therefore, whenever Muslims proudly
claim that their Prophet performed many miracles, they are at the
same instant admitting that Allah lied in Surah 17:59.
2. It specifies Allah’s reason for not sending miracles. This verse states that Allah found it pointless to perform miracles “because the men of former generations treated them as false.” In other words, Allah has stopped sending miracles because people in the past did not
believe in them.
3. It shows in which period of time Allah made a decision to stop sending miracles.

More than twenty Qur’anic passages show that whenever Muhammad
was asked by his contemporaries to perform a single miracle, he either
remained silent or said that he could not do so because he was no
more than just an ordinary human being. The most explicit of these
passages is in
Surah 17:90-93:
They said, “We will not believe you unless you cause a spring to
gush out of the ground. “Or unless you own a garden of date palms
and grapes, with rivers running through it. “Or unless you cause
masses from the sky, as you claimed, to fall on us. Or unless you
bring GOD and the angels before our eyes. “Or unless you own a
luxurious mansion, or unless you climb into the sky. Even if you do climb, we will not believe unless you bring a book that we can
read.” Say, “Glory be to my Lord. AM I ANY MORE THAN A HUMAN MESSENGER?” (Khalifa)

We will now analyze Surah 17:59 once again but from a different point of view:
As a result of the above insolent act of the people of Thamud, Surah 17:59 testifies that Allah has now refrained from sending miracles. The Qur’an does not mention the time period when Prophet Salih was sent to the people of Thamud. But, we can say with certainty that it
must be BEFORE the time of Jesus Christ, because according to Muhammad himself, there were no prophets or apostles between the
time of Jesus and Muhammad. In other words, the only “Prophet” who
was sent after Jesus was Muhammad.

Sahih Muslim, Book 030, Hadith Number 5835: Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him)
as saying: I am most akin to Jesus Christ among the whole of
mankind, and all the Prophets are of different mothers but belong
to one religion and no PROPHET WAS RAISE BETWEEN ME AND JESUS.

The Hadith states that “no Prophet was raised between (Muhammad) and Jesus,” Therefore, Salih could not have been sent after the arrival of Jesus but before. Otherwise, it would place him between Jesus and Muhammad. Therefore, Allah must have stopped
sending miracles long before Jesus set foot on earth. Yet, the Qur’an admits that Jesus performed many miracles and it even describes some
of his miracles. Surah 3:49: And I (Jesus) heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission. (Shakir)

How can this be possible? This shows that Allah’s claim in the Qur’an
that he was the source behind the powerful works of Jesus is a lie. By
his own admission, Allah could not be the one who empowered Jesus
with miracles. He simply could not be the originator of Jesus’
miraculous works. Who then is the source of the miracles of Jesus?

Abdulsalam20:
i have explain this to you earlier malvis jesus never brought grace HERE IS MY PROOF

CONCERNING THE WOMAN
jess never willingly pardon him
1.if one commit adultery it must involve two people ask yourself why did they bring the woman alone THIS IS SIMLY HYPOICRISY where is the other man? this man want to implicate jesus


2.jesus is never a king how did you expect a person not a king to pass capital punishment.......the jew want toimplicate him so that he will be charged of murderer and be killed and that s why they later thought they killed him which they never ALLAH HAS TAKEN HIS SERVANT AWAY



THE ONLY THING HE CAN DO IS TO RECOMMEND THE PUNISHMENT AND TELL THE KING THE TRUTH

JESUS OPENLY CONDEMN THOSE WHO DONT FOLLOW THE LAW

in the verse below jesus condem the king for giving priority to their custom than the law
mathew15:1-4
[b] 4Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command
of God for the sake of your tradition? For God said,
‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who
curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’
But you say that if anyone declares that what might
have been used to help their father or mother is
‘devoted to God,’ they are not to ‘honor their father or
mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for
the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was
right when he prophesied about you:


2 Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by
cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says
it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire."mathew
18:8-9


3. Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands
and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately
after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any
women commits adultery.mathew 5:29-30



4 Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He
hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old
Testament.mathew 5:17



THEREFORE IF YOU CANT ABIDE BY THE LAW LEAVE THE TRUE FOLLOWER OF ALL PROPHET TO ABIDE

PAUL THE ANTICHRIST CAUSED ALL THIS PROLEM FOR MOST CHRISTIAS

AND LET ME TELL YOU AGAIN THE EVIDENCE YOU GIVE DONT GIVE IT AGAIN IF WE ARE TO ABIDE BY THE VERSE THEN JESUS IS A SINER JESUS SAID IF YOU ARE NOT A SINNER STONE THE WOMAN JESUS ALSO DID NOT STONE HIM THEN WHAT IS HE?

so MR MAN DONT SAY ANYTHING OUT OF IGNORANCE

IF YOU CANT ABIDE BY THE LAW THEN ABIDE WITH YOUR ANTICHRIST RELIGION



thats all
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inact i dont want to reply toyour post again because you are a denier of truth

honestly, i dont even know what you are saying here , what i pick in your post is the first word.jesus never bring grace? What is grace? The pherasses are the teachers of the law,yet they brought the woman to jesus the son of a carpenter,what dos this tell you? It mean jesus is in full control of the law,THE LAW OF MOSES TEACHES THAT THE WOMAN SHULD BE STONE TO DEATHE, BUT JESUS GIVE HER THE GRACE TO GO AND SIN NO MORE, IS THIS NOT GRACE? What is your definition of grace o ye satan?

Elkewwty:
Is Jesus the same with his father? are you the same being as your father?

Hebrews 11:3King James Version (KJV) 3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things
which do appear.

In other word, without the word(jesus) nothing that was made will be made

Jesus is supreme because “in Him all things were created” (Col. 1:16-17). “All things were created by Him,” and “for Him,” and “in Him they all hold together.” Not only is He the final Cause of creation, but also the conserving Cause that keeps it together. Everything in the universe continues to exist because of Him (Jn. 1:3; Heb. 1:2; Rev. 3:14). Nothing is to be excluded in His supremacy in creation. Christ reigns supreme over all creation, visible and invisible, material and spiritual (Eph. 1:21; 3:10; 6:12; Phil. 2:9-10; Col. 2:10, 15; Rom. 8:38-39). Jesus Christ is supreme because He is head of His church (Col. 1:18; Eph. 1:22-23; 5:23). Paul has in mind the invisible body of Christ into which every believer was baptized by the Holy Spirit when he believed in Christ as his Savior (1 Cor. 12:13; Gal. 3:28; Eph. 2:15; 3:4-5; Col. 1:26). Jesus is supreme because He is “the firstborn from among the dead” (Col. 1:18; Rev. 1:5). Christ rose from the dead never to die again (1 Cor. 15:20). His resurrection marked His triumph and supremacy over death forever. Jesus “was declared with power to be the Son of God by His resurrection from the dead” (Rom. 1:4). He lives for all eternity “on the basis of the power of an indestructible life” (Heb. 7:16). Because He lives He is given preeminence and supremacy over all creation. He is exalted over all creation by God the Father “to the highest place” and has been given “the name that is above every name . . . to the glory of God the Father” (Phil. 2:9-11). There is no name like the name of Jesus. He is the Sovereign God of all because He rose from the dead.


Jesus say "i and my father are ONE" meaning God word and jesus are one, but just as every man is greater than his word that is how God the person is greater than jesus the word.
Hope you understand?

all what you wrote are bible misinterprtation,all the killings happen in the old testement law , they live by the law of God and whenn you break the law, God will not change his judgment, but in the new testement we see jesus giving us his grace to obey the law, how?if i sinned and i genuely ask for mercy , God will have mercy on me,take example,the adulterous woman,jesus say to them"he who is without sin to cast the first stone" meaning the law stand only if the judge is a righteous judge, "but the acusser left one by one" meaning jesus is in control over the law, " and jesus say to her, go and sin no more" meaning jesus the righteous judge gives the woman woman the grace to repent. But in the arab, you guys live by the law of men denying the grace of God.

God is not the author of confusion, and you qoute the tower of babel to support your claim? Sooo funny,you guys are spiritualy blind.

Rilwayne001:
What prove have you provided so far you keep presenting another argument while evading counter-proof.

Iask a question about the bible verse you present earlier, am yet to see your answers to it

Do you think i am as slow as you are?




Send him a mail or create another account.

InshaAllah we are waiting for you

this is your question, you demanded for proof.
Surah 2:111: And they say: “None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.” Those are their vain desires. Say: “Produce your proof if ye are truthful.” (Yusuf Ali)

and this is my proof.
Isaiah 42:8-9, the true God says: “I am Jehovah, that is my name! I will not give my glory to another
or my praise to idols. See, the former things have taken place, and
new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you.”

tohero:
If that statement were to be used, it applies to you.

I personally believe my last comment provides an insight to your doubts.

But if not, what is someone to do if asked a question, say a mathematical question?
1. Don't think the question is wrong!
2. Attempt it (thinking it is right) by making research and finding solution.
3. If you can't get it, let others help you out. If they do, reason along with their solution because you don't have any solution you can boast of.
4. Make conclusions.


Again we are not here to debate. Free your mind, re-read the last comment. I still believe it will go a long way answering your question.

If you still think that is not providing answer, then do this last resort.

PRAY for the answer!!!

I rest my pen.

you see, my good friend, this is not a mathematic, the english use in that verse is very simple,you dont need logic to understand. Thank you for your time.

bigtt76:
Park wan side jooor ....no bi only Jesus you de see ya

one thing for sure, he will come,and i wish it happen fast nevertheless, not by my will but BY HIS WILL.

Rilwayne001:
Am sure you will still bring in this question in a later discussion to show your moronit.y...typical of you.

Before then, please address those questions you evaded.

you ask for proof with the quran verse you qoute and i provide it, now you are insulting me,anyway, thank you for your time.

Maclantunji shuld unban me, and i am ready to accept the term and condition place on the islamic section, i have soooo many important questions to ask you guys.

Rilwayne001:
ALLAH (swt) did not copy any pagan act or worship. Every ritual performed in pilgrimage has its origin from pprophet Ibrahim (as) and his household. And down the line, generations practised the ritual, but the value of the origin and referring it to the true GOD was lost, hence they replaced the same and other fabrications in dedication to their idols. If you ask the then arab pagans about how they came about their worship, they will tell you they met it from their fathers. ALLAH as they knew from Ibrahim (as) is referring to GOD, but because the generation had relegated to idol worship and they heard the name from their fathers, they made a statue.

The idols and these fabrications are what Muhammad (saw) came to destroy and retain the original symbols and practice for ALLAH (swt) alone. I hope this helps sire - (golpen)



This practice was first observed by a pious person,Hajar the mother of Ismael(AS) and wife of Ibrahim(AS).Allah says in Surah Al-Baqarah 2:158 -Verily! As-Safa and Al-Marwah (two mountains in Makkah)are of the Symbols of Allah.So it is not a sin on him who perform Hajj or 'Umrah (pilgrimage) of the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) to perform the going (Tawaf) between them (As-Safa and Al- Marwah). And whoever does good voluntarily, then verily,Allah is All-Recogniser,All-Knower.


Narrated Ibn Abbas (radhi Allahu anhu):Ismail's mother went on suckling Ismail and drinking from the water (she had). When the water in the water-skin had all been used up,she became thirsty and her child also became thirsty.She started looking at him (i.e. Ismail) tossing in agony.She left him,for she could not endure looking at him,and found that the mountain of Safa was the nearest mountain to her on that land.
She stood on it and started looking at the valley keenly so that she might see somebody,but she could not see anybody. Then she descended from Safa and when she reached the valley,she tucked up her robe and ran in the valley like a person in distress and trouble,till she crossed the valley and reached the Marwa mountain where she stood and started looking, expecting to see somebody,but she could not see anybody.

She repeated that (running between Safa and Marwa) seven times.The Prophet said:This is the source of the tradition of the walking of people between them (i.e. Safa and Marwa)[Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583].

you dont even know what you are saying,who is hagger?the slave woman who God oder her separation with abraham,why will the true God change his plan and make her a symbol in islam worship?,IT WAS STATED CLEARLY THAT SAFA AND MARWA IS A PAGAN WAY OF WORSHIP IN THE QURAN BUT MUHAMMAD RETAIN IT.

Even though you do not answer my question, let it be sealed in your heart.

Surah 5:117: Nothing did I tell them beyond what Thou didst bid me to say: `Worship God, who is my Sustainer as well as your
Sustainer.’ And I bore witness to what they did as long as I dwelt in
their midst; but since Thou hast caused me to die, Thou alone hast been their keeper: for Thou art witness unto everything. (Asad)

I was a witness to what they did as long as I remained among
them, and when You did cause me to die, You were the watcher over them. You are the witness of all things. (W. Khan)


read this verse with a teachabl spirit,this verse was so clear for us to know that jesus has already died and ressurected.
Let analize the verse:jesus deliver his message to the people and he (jesus) bore witness of there deed,but when Allah cause him(jesus) to died,Allah has been there keeper.

tohero:
Do you really know why I decided to reply your first post? The boldness in your comments. But, I am 98% sure that you are just posting questions from anti-islamic sites in which you don't really know about the question.
That aside.

Consider the verse (from a book you do not believe) you quoted

Compare to


The bolded sentence is the difference between the two which is as a result of the arabic word "mutawafeeka"
.

So before you conclude, it is either you study the meaning of the word (it will be best for you to do and don't count on other people's word. "Iqra" the first revelation means "read"; We read to learn and learn to know.)


OR


Simply consider another verse the word was used



And this hadith


So the word could be used to illustrate when our soul moves away from our body but will be returned. (If not returned, then it will be the biological death)
Since jesus will be returning by the HOUR, I conclude that there hasn't been the biological death you are talking of.

My Conclusion: if you are ready to learn, then this is a starting point. If you are here to criticise to condemn, it is up to you.

May the peace, blessings and knowledge of God be upon us all.

Before I zoom off, I leave you with this,

No one will force you to the religion. (Anyone who does is doing it against the will of the Quran and of God). So I advice you to criticise to learn.
God bless us bro!
One Love!

you are still repeating the same thing.

Surah 3:144: “Muhammad is but a Messenger. All Messengers before him have passed on.”? (Shabbir Ahmed) ARE YOU NOW PREPIERD TO DENY THE QUR’AN’S CLEAR TEACHING THAT JESUS
IS A MESSENGER OF GOD AND LIKE MESSENGERS BEFORE HIM, HE DIED? If Jesus did not die, why does Surah 19:33 record Jesus as saying: “Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive.”? (Pickthall) Does not the chronological sequence in this verse show that Jesus has
to die before being raised to the heavens? Why do Muslim scholars, in their desperation to avoid a contradiction
in the Qur’an, deliberately distort the straight forward chronological
sequence in this verse? If Jesus did not die, why does the Qur’an record Allah as saying in
Surah 3:55: “Lo! God said: “O Jesus! Verily, I shall cause thee to die,
and shall exalt thee unto Me.”? (Asad) Does not this Qur’anic verse specifically mention the death of Jesus
before his ascension?
And the Qur’an records the following conversation that Jesus had with Allah after his ascension to heaven:
Surah 5:117: Nothing did I tell them beyond what Thou didst bid me to say: `Worship God, who is my Sustainer as well as your
Sustainer.’ And I bore witness to what they did as long as I dwelt in
their midst; but since Thou hast caused me to die, Thou alone hast been their keeper: for Thou art witness unto everything. (Asad)
Does not this Qur’anic verse clearly show that now in presence of
Allah after his ascension to heaven, Jesus spoke of his death as
already having occurred? Why do you insist that Jesus did not die when the Qur’an itself says:
“Every soul must taste of death”? (Surah 21:35). Do you not agree that the Qur’an not only contradicts the Bible’s
account regarding the death of Jesus but it also contradicts itself? Do not all these evidences prove that the Qur’an is a book of
contradiction? So Muslims which is true? Did Jesus die before his ascension to heaven
or did he not?

Rilwayne001:
Allah is not an idol, Allah is the arabic name of God Almighty a.k.a Yahweh/ JEHOVA \Ubangiji/Olorun...etcetra



God almighty has declared that he will not share/give His glory with another.

Now do you share his Glory with another person or not?

Do you share/give it to jesus or not?

Is Jehovah Jesus or is Jesus Jehovah?

Surah 2:158: “Lo! (the mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them (as the pagan custom is).” (Pickthall)
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 23: Narrated By ‘Asim bin Sulaiman:
I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca). Anas replied, “We used to consider (i.e. going around) them a custom of the Pre-Islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we gave up going around them. Then Allah revealed, ‘Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah)
or perform the Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between them.’” (Surah 2:158)

How can the very same two mountains that were sacred to the
pagans become the “Symbols of Allah”? How can the very same pagan ritualistic practice of running between
the two hills also become a part of the ritual of the Hajj in Islam? Why was the Arab pagan ritual of going around the Ka’ba also
retained in Islam? Why are there so many striking similarities between the rites of
Hinduism and Islam? The Hindu worshippers of Shiva walk around the symbol of Shiva
seven times. In the Islamic ritual of Tawaf, the Muslims also similarly
circumnavigate the Ka’ba seven times. Why do both the worshippers
of Shiva and the worshippers of Allah observe a rite in which they
walk around their object of reverence seven times? How is it in both of these rituals, Hindus and Muslims alike utter
religious phrases repeated during the circumambulation? Why are both Hindu and Muslim male devotees required to shave
their heads during their pilgrimage?

Sooo many question to ask,do you realy think God will oder his chhildren to worship the way pagan are worshiping there gods?

The Qur’an challenges the Christian Faith in Surah 2:111: And they say: “None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.” Those are their vain desires. Say: “Produce your proof if ye are truthful.” (Yusuf Ali) But, most Muslims are unaware of the fact that centuries before the
Qur’an even came into existence, the Holy Bible raised a similar challenge: Isaiah 41:21: “Present your case, says the Lord. Bring forth your proofs, says the King of Jacob. The Challenge raised by both the Holy Bible and the Qur’an has placed upon Christians and Muslims alike the commission to produce
proofs for their respective claims as to which of these two Scriptures is
the Word of God. Is it the Bible or the Qur’an? However, the followers of Islam have quite frequently resorted to violence to silence all those
who take up this Challenge. Still, we will respond and answer the challenge. We will not respond by the sword but by the Word of God. We will submit to our God and respond according to His rules of
engagement. This means we will execute our responsibility to defend
our Faith. We will respond to the Challenge by producing evidences. Evidences that will prove beyond doubt that the Holy Bible is the
Word of God. At the same time, we will also produce evidences to
prove why the Qur’an simply cannot be the Word of God. Our primary
objective is not to criticize Islam but to help those who are lost in
darkness – especially Muslims. 1 Peter 3:15: “Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.” Jehovah in his infinite wisdom has made it reasonably easier for
seekers of truth to recognize which of the two Scriptures claiming to
be divine is true by wisely focusing the Challenge on the vital subject of Prophecy. Thus, Jehovah challenges the false gods (including Allah) to foretell the outcome of future events: Isaiah 41:21-24: “Present your case, says the Lord. Bring forth your proofs, says the King of Jacob. Let them bring forth and show us what will happen; Let them show us the former things, what they were, That we may consider them, And know the latter end of
them; Or declare to us the things to come. Show the things that are to come hereafter, That we may know that you are gods; Yes, do good or do evil, That we may be dismayed and see it
together. Indeed you are nothing, And your work is nothing; He
who chooses you is an abomination.” The ability to foretell and fulfill prophecies is a unique attribute of Jehovah’s divine nature: Isaiah 46:9-10: “Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me; declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done; saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.” And as a true Creator, Jehovah lovingly appeals: Isaiah 1:18: “Come now, and let us reason together,” says Jehovah. Prophecy can be defined as an inspired message or a revelation of the divine will and purpose. However, prophecy is basically defined as a prediction of something to come. In other words, the foretelling of
events or occurrences that is yet in the future. The Bible is the only
religious book in existence that dares to detail hundreds of prophecies. These prophecies in the Bible involve various essential issues and cover
a wide range of vital subjects. They cover subjects from the rise and fall
of world empires to the minute details regarding God’s means of
outworking the salvation of mankind in the person of Jesus. Many of
these prophecies of the Bible have already been fulfilled accurately to
the letter. In no other religious literature will one be able to find hundreds of detailed prophecies that have been fulfilled exactly as
foretold. No human has ever presented such detailed predictions of
future events. In fact, almost a quarter of all the Biblical verses are
prophetic in nature. In Isaiah 42:8-9, the true God says: “I am Jehovah, that is my name! I will not give my glory to another
or my praise to idols. See, the former things have taken place, and
new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you.” This declaration by God in Isaiah 42:8-9 shows his ability to make known what will occur in the future. In other words God has the
capability to foretell history in advance. Such predictive ability displays
God’s unique power. This is one means how God demonstrates his
power and glory and keeps it from being credited to false gods.
Prophecies substantiate the stamp of God’s authority in his inspired
Book. The ability to foretell future events of human history is a crucially distinctive attribute of God’s true Scriptures. This is how
important prophecies are to the seeker of truth. It is one of the most
essential proofs and evidences of a Divine Book.

Rilwayne001:
Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 111:
AND THEY claim, "None shall ever enter paradise unless he be a Jew" - or, "a Christian". Such are their wishful beliefs! Say: "Produce an evidence for what you are claiming, if what you say is true!"

quran sak for evidence,here is it, my God will not shere is glory with idol worshipers.

Isaiah 42:8-9, the true God says: “I am Jehovah, that is my name! I will not give my glory to ANOTHER.
or my praise to IDOLS See, the former things have taken place, and
new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you.”

tohero:
Sir, Maybe what you need to get the answer is widening the scope of your sight. Look at this verses



So you agree with me that we all shall die?

Now, we have this as you stated


But recall


And

Meaning that jesus is coming back at the end of time.

What awaits us after death is judgement. If you think otherwise, you can proof your point. Since Jesus never died but it looked to them as if he died, then the best explanation is what the scholars says.

Remember that there are no such "last two quotes" above for john, so we can't
.

i even give a verse in the quran were jesus say the following word after his resurection"SINCE THOUGH HAS CAUSE ME TO DIE"


now the nest verse will show that jesus has already died before the judgment day. Here is it..
Surah 3:55: Lo! God said: “O Jesus! Verily, I shall CAUSE thee to DIE, and shall exalt thee unto Me, and cleanse thee of the presence of those who are bent on denying the truth; and I shall
place those who follow thee far above those who are bent on
denying the truth, unto the DAY OF RESURRECTION” (Asad)
God said, “O Jesus, I shall cause you to die and will raise you up to Me and shall clear you [of the calumnies] of the disbelievers, and shall place those who follow you above those who deny the truth, until the Day of Judgement.” (W. Khan)
This verse emphasizes that Allah caused Jesus to die before he was raised to heaven. But more importantly, this verse shows that the
death and ascension of Jesus occurred before the “Day of Judgement.”In other words, before the second coming of Jesus. This is verified by the fact that after mentioning the death and ascension of
Jesus, the Qur’an states that the disciples of Jesus will be placed above
the disbelievers until the “Day of Judgement” – clearly a future event that is yet to occur.

Ajibam:
Okay.

i dont think she is wrong, as a christians we shuld not neglect a single truth,unlike the muslims who know's there is terrorism in islam but they will do anything to defend there religeon.
God bless you italo

Mynd44:
http://www.punchng.com/news/jang-shuns-pdp-reconciliation-committee-2/

mynd44,am sorry for derailing this thread,i dint see the religeon complain thread.please can you put this topic to front page?
Evangelism Vs. Discipleship- ( 1)
thank you.

Chrisdmeek:
True saying

God bless you.

It seems to me that there is a constant discussion, or you could call it a
debate (or you could even call it a family fight) among us evangelicals
over whether we should be focusing all our attention and efforts on
evangelism or discipleship. Trust me...this is a big deal in the church
right now. If you could hear just a small fraction of the conversations I
have as I travel and preach... Because I am an evangelist (see Ephesians 4) by call and trade, I get
bombarded by the discipleship camp with questions like, "What
happens after all those people respond to the gospel when you
preach?" Because I am a pastor, I also get comments from soul winners like, "If
all you ever do is teach the Bible to Christians, how will the lost ever
hear the gospel and be saved?" These are both very good, and, eternally important questions. And to
answer those questions, let me first draw your attention to the false
dichotomy that we have created in our little evangelical church culture
here in the West. This is a simplification...but is a fairly accurate
synopsis of the two teams, tribes, camps, etc.
TEAM DISCIPLESHIP
1. We follow the Great Commission! Jesus never said make converts. He
said make disciples (Matthew 28:18-20). And that is what the church
must do.
2. A true disciple will become a witness, will share their faith, and will
lead the lost to Jesus. Therefore we don't have to focus on evangelism.
3. Focusing on evangelism hurts the process of discipleship because
evangelism is all about numbers and results and ignores spiritual
growth.
4. Discipleship takes more time and investment than evangelism, and
therefore is spiritually superior and more important.
5. We would never declare that a person is "saved" or a "Christian"
until they have proven their faith by following Christ over a period of
time.
6. God alone converts people to faith, but it is our responsibility to
make disciples out of those that God saves.
7. Jesus made disciples! (Peter, James, John, Thomas, Mary, Martha,
etc...)
TEAM EVANGELISM
1. We follow the Great Commission! Jesus told us to preach the gospel
every creature (Mark 16:15-18). We preach the gospel and God
saves the people.
2. A true Christian should automatically want to share their faith, so we
teach them how to be a witness and bring others to Christ.
3. Focusing on discipleship hurts the work of evangelism because it
focuses too much on the individual who is already saved, ignoring
those who are lost.
4. Evangelism is more grueling and difficult than discipleship because it
takes us to the front lines of the lost world, making it spiritually
superior and more important.
5. The Bible says that when a person confesses sin, repents and
believes in Christ, they are saved (Romans 10:13, 1John 1:9). It's not
"false assurance" to say they're saved.
6. The same God who saves a sinner will complete the work of
discipleship in that new believer (Philippians 1:6).
7. Jesus was an evangelist! (The woman at the well, Zacheus, the
woman caught in adultery, Nicodemus, etc...) Go back and re-read these lists. Do you see how the wedge can easily
be driven down into the church if all we ever do is repeat our
platitudes? Are these two tribes really in disagreement? Are they mutually exclusive? What do you think about this? What "team" do you more naturally fall
into?

tijjanioyan:
leav those mumus wit dia e-war again,willy nilly islam wil conquer d world

islam will conquer the world when the true saints are all gone. The devil has already been judg.

There are times in your life when you just cannot see Jesus. The cares
and worries you face each day seem to obscure your view of
Christ. Sometimes you wonder if He is there at all. Occasionally, you
even question if He is real. You look for Him, wait for Him, cry out to
Him, and pray for something.....anything...to give you hope. When
those times come, know that you are not alone. Every single Christian who is serious
about following Jesus wrestles with this reality; we know He is there
but sometimes He seems invisible. Consider this...
"In putting everything under Jesus, God left nothing that is not subject
to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him."
Hebrews 2:8 There is no doubt, then, that Jesus is there, that He is in complete
control, and that all things are under His authority and sovereignty.
This is God's promise to us. But we don't actuallysee everything
working out the way we think it should, so we question His presence
and doubt His loving affection. What do you do when you don't see
Jesus? YOU LOOK AT THE CROSS. "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor
because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste
death for everyone." Hebrews 2:9 You can see Jesus by looking at
what He did for you when He died in
your place. You can see Jesus by gazing long and hard at the cross. You
can see Jesus by meditating on the crucifixion and contemplating His suffering. When you don't see Jesus, just remember His bloody, broken
body
hanging on a tree on a hill outside the city of Jerusalem. Then you will
see Jesus as He really is. Loving. Giving. Serving. Dying. Sacrificing.
Laying His life down for yours. In seeing His death, you see His glory
and His beauty. Look at Jesus by looking at the cross. Stop looking for Jesus only in your present circumstance. Look for Him
in the place where He proved His love once and for all.

There are times in your life when you just cannot see Jesus. The cares and worries you face each day seem to obscure your view of
Christ. Sometimes you wonder if He is there at all. Occasionally, you
even question if He is real. You look for Him, wait for Him, cry out to Him, and pray for something.....anything...to give you hope. When those times come,
know that you are not alone. Every single Christian who is serious
about following Jesus wrestles with this reality; we know He is there
but sometimes He seems invisible. Consider this...

"In putting everything under Jesus, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him." Hebrews 2:8
There is no doubt, then, that Jesus is there, that He is in complete
control, and that all things are under His authority and sovereignty.
This is God's promise to us. But we don't actuallysee everything working out the way we think it should, so we question His presence
and doubt His loving affection. What do you do when you don't see
Jesus? YOU LOOK AT THE CROSS. "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." Hebrews 2:9 You can see Jesus by looking at what He did for you when He died in
your place. You can see Jesus by gazing long and hard at the cross. You
can see Jesus by meditating on the crucifixion and contemplating His
suffering. When you don't see Jesus, just remember His bloody, broken body
hanging on a tree on a hill outside the city of Jerusalem. Then you will
see Jesus as He really is. Loving. Giving. Serving. Dying. Sacrificing.
Laying His life down for yours. In seeing His death, you see His glory
and His beauty. Look at Jesus by looking at the cross. Stop looking for Jesus only in your present circumstance. Look for Him
in the place where He proved His love once and for all.

sukkot:
you do err my kind sir, there are indirect evils that the Lord does like sending a murderous person to kill you as revenge for all the people you have killed in past or even present life. thats indirect evil. he used a satanic person to carry out that punishment. but God can directly do evil. when a tornado or earthquake or volcano or tsunami kicks your a-s-s and destroys your town and kills many, that is direct intervention from God. that is direct a-s-s kicking from God. God is thunder-lightening-earthquake-hails. spiritual energy force. a powerful force, which we all are spiritual energy force when we shed these bodies. so ermmm yeah God can do direct evil or indirect evil by sending satan to kick your a-ss. the LORD is a man of war. he is a very terrible man

psalm 47 vs 2 For the LORD most high is terrible; <<< VERY TERRIBLE

yes, God will do it, but only to the wicked

Weah96:
Is the bible not the word of God again?

God is not the author of evil, every perfect gift is from above and evil come from bennett,when you are tempted it is because your flash wanted to and we see satan taking advantage of that weak side,God gives everybody chance even satan yes satan God give him the opportunity to tempt job, BUT IT WAS NOT HIS(GOD)IDEA FOR JOB TO BE TEMPTED,if i had a son and i know him more than anyother person will do,you will be proud of him,no mather the challenge that will comes his way, he will prevail. So my point here is to show you that satan is the author of evil because he bring the idea of tempting job.

BossTtdiamonds:
Read what you've posted and see if you're makin' any sense...?? I wonder if you're at all educated...

God bless you.it is now i know that am chattinng with someone with no understanding of God word.

He said"if you are a christian and you accept islam teaching allah will save you"
abdulsalam20. What you are saying is......am a christian,i go to church,i pray in the name of jesus i believe jesus died for My sin,YET i accept islam teaching i will be save.do you now see how senseless your post is?

I will not respond to you again, thank you for your time

sukkot:
isaiah 45 vs 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil

deut 28 vs 61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed. <<< you did say God is incapable of doing evil

amos 3 vs 6 shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

BROS NO TRY THE LORD OOOO, HE WILL DO EVIL TO KICK SOME AZZ AS REVENGE

God will not do evil, and he will not stop evil to come upon the wicked,in a court of law the acusser will be giving all the support to present his case,just like satan was giving the chance to test job even when God has the power to stop it but he dint.

The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and
creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these. (Isaiah 45:7,) I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create
disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7,) Isaiah 45:7 contrasts opposites. Darkness is the opposite of light. However, evil is not the opposite of peace. The Hebrew word translated "peace" is shâlôm,2 which has many meanings, mostly related to the well being of individuals. Râ‛âh,3 the Hebrew word translated "evil" in the KJV often refers to adversity or calamity. There
are two forms of the word. Strong's H7451a most often refers to moral
evil, whereas Strong's H7451b (the form used here) most often refers
to calamity or distress. Obviously, "calamity" is a better antonym of
"peace" than "evil."

God is not the author of evil.8 However, God does reward and punish on the basis of good and bad behavior. Therefore, God does bring
judgment and calamity (either directly or through human authorities) on those who rebel.9 God will ultimately judge all people, since rebels will not be allowed in the new, perfect creation.

That2:
My father didn't created me, god did! According to your books. So if i am Satan...That means god created me(I am part of him), god let me deceive his other most precious creations(He have all the power to stop me but he didnt), he then call me evil + whoever i deceived, finally he will throw both me and the people i deceived in fire. Ok Let's solve this puzzle together... who then is evil? My answer is god!

And don't tell me about mans freewill blahblah. Remember you recently said this;

So the all knowing omnipotent actually know man will eat from the tree but still curse and banish them. It is like he is just waiting for that moment. While he made man mortal he gave Satan immortality so he can continue roaming the earth deceiving man for billions of years until the last day when Satan and "all the men" he have deceived would be thrown into fire... Hohohoho! That seems like god plan . Now ask me again who is evil?

if i mention freewill,our discussion will never end,God gives us the freewill to chose,thank you for your time.

That2:
The last i check, it is god throwing people into hell not Satan. And you are rubbing your believed of god to our face not your believe in Satan. If you are getting tired of atheist mentioning hell that means you are realising how ridiculous your theory of hell sounds. Imagine only satanists exist in earth,there is no Christians/Muslims in the world screaming all unbelievers will burn in hell. Then may be we will start mentioning heaven. Besides despite the promise of inheriting mansions in your so call heaven i wonder why you Christians are the ones most afraid to die. I see no difference with your heaven or hell anyway except one is made up of fire. The other is an extremely boring routine life .

i believe you are a christian once in your life,what tempt you to become an athiest?1.can temptation lead to the existence of God? 2.when you are tempted,what causes it?
3.what you hate to do,but when ever the opportunity of doing it
comes to you, and you do it,what makes you do it? Dont you think
there must be a force that makes you do such a things?
4.atheist dont believe in spiritualism, but you do what you hate to
do,surly there must be a spiritual force, dont you think so? There are sooo many qustion i have, but this will do for the main time.
Thank you.

That2:
Who then is evil?

satan,why? Because God told his creation not to eat from this tree,but satan deceive God creation to disobey him.is like a father told his son not to go there but someone trick him to go,so i will ask the same question you ask, who then is evil?

That2:
The same can be said of "Good".

God is good.

to know who jesus realy is read colossian 1:15 to 23
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or
authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn
from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the
supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his
blood, shed on the cross. 21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of[a] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight,
without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in
the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been
proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have
become a servant.

That2:
Is that's he kept Satan alive all this while? What a smart god will do is destroy Satan from the very beginning but no! He want satan to torture you and he he doesn't want satan to burn alone in hell. He is giving Satan some company by throwing his own creations in hell also. A special creation he made in his ownimage which he call his children.

this is why i say atheist and satanist are one,you bot lay alligation on God,it's all about hell,what about heaven? All the good things God lay in store for you, why not mention it? I dont even know when last i talk about hell until i join nairaland,well,if hell is your problem no this, it is only a gulty man that will always think about his punishment. Thank you for your time.