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frosbel: no chance

I am a follower of Jesus/.

this is the word of the same jesus christ.
Mark 9:43King James Version (KJV) 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life
maimed, than having two hands to go
into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Or are you talkin about diff jesus? Honestly if when you die as a sinner ,no hell, then I will make earth my heaven and forget about God heaven.BUT THANK GOD THERE IS HELL, AND THE WICKED WILL PAY FOR THERE SIN.

frosbel: no chance

I am a follower of Jesus/.

this is the word of the same jesus christ.
Mark 9:43King James Version (KJV) 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life
maimed, than having two hands to go
into hell, into the fire that never shall be.

Or are you talkin about different jesus?
quenched:

Rilwayne001: … what is it to debunk about the trash he pasted, and does anyone of you debunk all i wrote in the op?

btw...av u ever debunk the inconsistency in the bible?

can you and your brother do that here?

you called all he wrote trash? Is like calling the quran and hadith trash.
Or maby when you are reading the quran and hadith, you skip the verse he qoute.

Rilwayne001: Why should i respond to your copy and paste hogwash that you copied from an anti-islam website. You see, you are philistine to the teaching of islam, all you people do is to foray into the Quran and hadith lookin for fault. Are you really seeking knowledge? Hell no. All you want is a futile argument which only an unreasonable person will give to you.

As for me, the Quran has decribed people like you and how to deal with them.

"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: 'To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant. ' (The Noble Quran, 28:55)

as usual , when the read somtin they can't debunk, this there usual tactic ABUSIVE, the other thread about muhammad in hell, is not copy and pest? Yet you respon, face it, you got noting to say here.
Peace.

Kay17: Which is it? Are you certain God exists or not?! A Pascal wager is always going to be irrelevant.

am not 100% sure there is God, but AM 110% SURE THERE IS GOD.

JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION, BETWEEN ATHEIST AND BELIEVER, WHO HAS THE ADVANTAGE?

Rilwayne001: see this mumu oo, so u got liver to comment

looool

you dont know nothing

your Allah will be very disappoint at you, so insultive , may God save you in jesus name.

NDprudent: Now let's face d truth. I'm a christian, so don't say "he's one of the atheists". D major reason for the non-believers being wealthier is that christians are generally lazy, always lookin up to God to help dem wit every little problem. They hardly think with their brains for solutions, all they do is pray and blame unexisting forces for their failures. A man of God once said : God gave us brains so we won't disturb him with every of our little problems ( we should also think out solutions). When I was a student my dad always told me" pray like it depends only on God, but work like it depends only on you". Even though my prayer life was very active, I was always working so hard to achieve success (which I did achieve).

My point is this: we christians need to use more of our brains to think out solutions even while we pray for divine grace.

you just describe your self, WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT THERE IS NO CHRISTIAN THAT IS RICH?

God say I will bless you with riches, this dos not mean money, wealth is for mankind, it a gift and sin cannot take your gift, is like a footballer who has the gift of play, even when he sin,the gift will still be there, IT IS THE SAME GIFT HE USE IT TO BE RICH.

The op ask a very, very silly question, a true christian do not keep trassure were thives can broke in, bt in heaven.

Kay17: Probably there is no God. That's a possibility Christians do not consider at all.

what if there is?what if you are wrong? Between a believer and an atheist, who has the advantage?

Honestly, I will not take the risk you are taking.

Elijah78: Good question, i wish these so cll pastors come and clarify us.

nice username but confused fellow, do you need a pastor to tell you how to worship God? Dint bible say our body is the temple of God? As long as I have my bible and whenever I called on God,He always answer me, am ok.

Rilwayne001: ^^ Is that all?

face it, you got nothin to say,the idol[Allah] muhammad father worship is the same idol muhammad introduce to you guys that why Allah always favour muhammad more than any other muslim.

Truthman2012 .GOD BLESS YOU.

tess1: What do you Christians call God? Is it not your father the same way he called him his father? But he never called Himself the only Son of God.

At the point when he would have announced his sonship to God to the whole world, he denied it. You are now saying you "think". How dare you "think" for Jesus or God?

Luke 4:41 "And demons also came out of many, crying, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuke them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ".

This is the evidence that he's talking about Blessed Virgin Mary:

Luke 1:46-48 "46[b] And Mary said[/b], My soul doth magnify the Lord, 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed".

Are you shocked? Hahahaha! You can see that you know nothing about your Bible.That is from the same Bible you are quoting.

Virgin Mary giving birth to Jesus without any man's having anything to do with her is just one of the miracles of God.

you quote luke 4:41 , this verse nail you down , thank you for quoting it, even the demon know who He is, but he don't want them to say it because his time is not yet, DO YOU KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THE SCRIBE AND PHARISEES KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE CALLED HIM THE SON OF GOD? THEY WILL KILL HIM, THAT MEAN THE PROPHECY OF HIS DEATH WILL NOT BE FULFILLED.

matthew16:13-17 was very clear, jesus ask them, who do people say I AM[ God], peter reply YOU ARE SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD.[direct answer]
This is jesus reply, blessed are you peter for flash and blood did not revel this to you, but my FATHER.

You confused, mary was highly favour, all generation called her blessed because she was favour by God the father, the same word was us to abraham and even sarah.

tess1: So you are simply telling me that God is Man. That is absurdity of the highest order.
This is simple and pure English Language. They asked a person if he is the son of God but he refused to admit that he is but that he's the son of man. You are now telling me that the man is God. What a ............

If you don't know who blessed is, you only need to tell me. My ten year old girl will tell you that the blessed is Mary the mother of Jesus.

I can see that you know nothing about the religion you practice. You only follow what you are taught dogmatically without even doing your own research.



Like i said in my earlier post, you have not been able to defend all that you have quoted from the Bible successfully. You now want me to tell you what you don't know in the Qur'an. Or, maybe i am underestimating you about your knowledge of the Holy Qur'an. Maybe you need to tell me how many disciples the Holy Qur'an recognize with the chapters and verses. After all i went into the Bible to bring out quotes to disprove your quotes.

I asked you again, who did God tell that Jesus was his son? Who was that quote revealed to?

You are becoming even more confused. Otherwise, how will you say because Jesus said he is the light of the world then he is the son of God? So in your own knowledge, Light of the world also means Son of God.

If it's not parable when someone called himself light of the world, that means he is the electrical light or whichever that we use in seeing.

I prefer to believe what the subject of the matter (Jesus) himself said about himself, rather that believe what second, third and witnesses said about him. I picked all my quotations from the same Mathew you picked yours from.

There are only two reasoning when we have contradictory statements like these. It is either one is wrong of the two are wrong. The two cannot be correct at the same time.

You will need to go and read your Bible very well and not just what they tell you. Did you even offer Bible Knowledge when you were in the secondary school?

In Matthew 16:13-17, Jesus says my father, meaning that He is the Son of God: Now when Jesus came into the
district of Caesarea Philippi, he
asked his disciples, "Who do people
say that the Son of Man is?" And
they said, "Some say John the
Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." He
said to them, "But who do you say
that I am?" Simon Peter replied,
"You are the CHRIST , the Son of the
living GOD ." And Jesus answered
him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar- Jonah! For flesh and blood has not
revealed this to you, but my Father
who is in heaven. Also, a high priest asks Jesus if He is
indeed the "Son of the Blessed", in which
He replies "I am" in Mark 14:61-62: But he remained silent and made no
answer. Again the high priest asked
him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of
the Blessed?" And Jesus said, "I am,
and you will see the Son of Man
seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of
heaven." I think a big reason of why Jesus never directly said that He was the Son of God (unless He was asked to say it) was
because He wanted the people to
exercise faith in Him, rather than seeing miracles and the like to prove to them
that He was.

Can you please answer my question ? How many disciples jesus had according to the quran?

Rilwayne001: ne'er-do-well

na only you know waitn dey do you, first ,you wrote glot now you wrote this, abi, jinn don possessed you?

where I stop reading, is when the op say, christian worship 3god, and there noting like the name jesus, I have one muslim friend, he always dream at night, bad dream, I advice her to called JESUS, when she called the name jesus one night, the nightmare stop. Uptill today we called JESUS and he answer us.

You SAID christian worship 3god? BUT LATER YOUR MUSLIMS BROTHER WILL COME AND SAY THAT THE CHRISTIAN GOD AND MUSLIM GOD ARE THE SAME, it is because of you guys the atheist will keep on mocking God.

The problem with the muslims is about the sonship of God, do you guys think God cannot have a son? Only the children of God knows the deep things of there father.

Muhammad is like the ethiopian eunuch who was reading the bible without understanding it until God ask philip to interpret for him. Read acts chapter 8.

tess1: What i have been able to deduce from all that you have typed is that you don't even know your Bible very well.

We are still talking about what you said about Jesus and the disciples of Jesus, you are already jumping into the compilation of the Holy Qur'an.

You said that Jesus is the Son of God and i showed you in the same Bible where he REJECTED being called such, rather he called himself son of man or son of the blessed. You have not been able to bring out where Jesus himself confirmed himself to be son of God.

You don't even know how the compilation of the Bible was brought about. You were believing that it was Jesus Disciples who never kept any records or writings of about the life of Jesus during his lifetime. Even if they, were they also spoken to by the angels to reveal all these things you are talking about? If you are going to give me any quote, i will rather want you to give me a direct quote from Jesus or from God and not from those that called themselves witnesses and some that were not.

About the Holy Qur'an and Prophet Muhammed (SAW) that you mentioned about, i won't say anything about because you know nothing about that. The one you even believe you know something about, i have been able to see that you know nothing about it at all.

You have still not been able to defend your statements and quotations. Why do you like calling somebody a name that he rejected during his lifetime. How can you call Mathew a disciple of Jesus when he himself copied from Mark who's name wasn't even among Jesus' disciple and you want me to believe that.

Just forget it.

the good thin is that you admit jesus called himself, the son of man and the son of the blessed one, who is the man? Or the blessed one? If you don't know the father of jesus , you do not know the true God.
You even sound confused, first you say jesus did not called himself son of God, and later you admit He called himself son of the blessed one, WHO IS THE BLESSED ONE IF IT NOT GOD?

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, JESUS HAD 12 DISCIPLES, NOW HOW MANY DISCIPLES THE QURAN MENTION, CAN WE HERE THERE ACCOUNT?

IT WAS NO MAN THAT CALLED JESUS HIS SON, IT WAS GOD HIMSELF, BUT YOU SAID IT ONLY A PARABLE, OTHER PROPHET SAY THE SAME THIN, CAN WE HERE THERE PARABLE? THANK YOU

tess1: I totally disagree with this.
Gospel of Mathew wasn't the same Disciple of Jesus. As a matter of fact, none of the Gospels in the New testament was written by Jesus disciples.
Gospel of Mathew was written by an anonymous person who wasn't even an eye witness. Or, how else can you describe a situation where some of the source of Mathew were from Mark who also wasn't a disciple of Jesus.

The same thing also apply to Luke. The New Testament was compiled 150 years after the so called death of Jesus.
My question now is that, did God directly reveal all these to them or where was their source of getting all these things when they were not even there when Jesus was alive.



Can you show me where Jesus himself literally called himself the son of God and not what people call him?
In most places in the Bible, Jesus referred to himself as son of man. Even when the high priest commanded him by the living God, he still called himself the son of man. Mathew 26: 63-64 "63But Jesus remained silent. And the high priest said to him, “I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” 64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.

See also where he openly accepted to be the son of the blessed according to Mark 14: 61-62 "61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven".



This is like a parable. Every prophet sent by God to the world is LIGHT to wherever such prophet is sent to. It is not until they say that that we have to know that all prophets of God are Light because the message they are being sent to deliver is LIGHT. Or will you rather call the message DARKNESS?

if you say the bible is corrupted, then you should be able to provide the real gospel,how many disciple did the quran mention? We the christians , we will nite say the quran is corrupted but the quran is the word devil use to bring down the truth,muhammad was in the cave of hira when the truth descend on him, what truth? Why the truth dint descend on other prophet? Are they living in lies?

Can you mention the prophet that speak in parable?which of them claim to be light of the world?

tpia1: true.


God does give gifts to all men, but blessing is something more specific.

eg

proverbs 10

rich could mean different thing, if you read the bible, whenever the bible want to address someone that has money, it WEALTH, because richly could mean different tin eg rich in faith and many more.

frosbel: But how can God call a 'zillion' people who in most cases are contrary to one another on almost everything from the Trinity to Tithing etc. Is God a God of confusion ??

What is the differentiating factor between those who are genuine and those who are fake.

brother, you are right, this shouldn't have been problem for the believer, we all read the bible, in other of the prophecy jesus made to come to pass, this things must happen, woe to that man who the offence come from.

THY LORD KNOWS THOSE THAT ARE HIS OWN. Thank you.

Weah96: So much hostility in your tone. Shouldn't you be a long sufferer?

if it's God willing I suffer because of my faith in christ, am ready to follow God. I got nothin to loose at the end, i'v seen a dear friend of mine was kidnap by some muslims during religious crisis, he was ask to deny christ, but he say , am ready to die than to abandon my faith, he was slaughter, what i'v seen with my eyes, non of you guys have seen it and don't pray to experience it, have you ever been in a war? You don't know what will happen to you in the next minute, maby someone will come behind you and kill you, until you been in this situation that when you will know what it take a man to have faith in God.
thank you for your time.

Weah96: You are in fact asking me to believe. Isn't that the whole point of your faith? Why would you then tell me not to? Do you think that I'm being unfair by asking you questions about the miracle that you witnessed?

in the first place, did I even quote you? I quote the op, and you bump into somtin that do not concern you.

Thank you for your time......peace.

freethinker01: instead of you to face your book squarely and learn how to write correct English or better still to pray god to help you better it u're busy defending ur god n quoting me unnecessarily. Until u've done that, back off and don't quote me again.

Proverbs 1:24-31King James Version (KJV) 24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man
regarded; 25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: 26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; 27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a
whirlwind; when distress and anguish
cometh upon you. 28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but
they shall not find me: 29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord: 30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof. 31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their
own devices.

TheBigUrban2:

There is no God

say's the foolish man.

qstar: You claim things that you cannot prove happened. That's not even the case, you added an extra adjective: "foolish".

Well, the question still remains, "why would you pray to a God that already knows everything"?

I pray to God and He answer me, so your question mean nothin, IF GOD WANTED US TO STOP PRAYING, HE WOULD HAVE TOLD US IN THE BIBLE.

Weah96: It appears that this singular event concerning the former HIV patient is the adhesive holding your already shoddy beliefs in place. I can understand that, but for your sake, you'd better hope it's true. Did you see the test results before and after? Remember that the n)aked eye cannot detect the presence of the virus in the patient.

the good things is that I do not ask you to believe me. I know what happen the night. There are soooo many miracle i'v experience, LET IT BE SEAL IN YOUR HEART.

freethinker01: what's this one saying? Gibberish i guess. Park well jhor.

let it be seal in your conscience.

TheBigUrban2: NONSENSE!!!!!!!

The answer is as simple as ABC. Irreligious people are less likely to be distracted by the burdens of religious trappings such as tithing, long prayer/worship sessions and spiritual nonsense. Irreligious people have less things to distract them from getting a better life.

This doesnt mean that all irreligious people are sensible or richer than religious folks....it only means that we wouldnt waste time praying for solutions when we can do something about it.

were did I mention , religious people can not be rich? Do you AGUE to win trophy?

I SAID, GOD SEND RAIN TO UNBELIEVERS AND BELIEVER, THE GIFT OF GOD IS FOR EVERYONE.

qstar: This guy, you sabi lie for NL ehn...

The question is: "what is the essence of prayer to God, who already knows everything"?

why do you call me a lier? This is exactly what the devil accuse God of. The first word the devil said in the bible is "has God said?"he lied against God.

Do you have any option on how a sinner can ask for forgiveness? Foolish atheist.

TheBigUrban2: @ bold


In summary, you are saying that

-unbelievers are richer because they are more ready to engage in immoral/corrupt businesses than believers
-unbelievers are richer because they believe in worldly things while believers focus on God and the afterlife





what a joke

God send rain to believer's and unbeliever's, this is the free gift of God. Sin can stop blessing , but sin cannot stop gift , just as I explain the story of samson, samson has the gift of strength, even when he furnicate with daililah , the gift of strength was still with him.
Example a footballer like messi, he has the gift of playing football, I know messi would have commited a sin before, but the gift is still there because it is the free, IT WAS THE FREE GIFT THAT MAKE HIM[MESSI] RICH.

advocate666: Why do you pray?

the question is. DID GOD ANSWER PRAYER? And my answer is yes because I have seen with my two naked eyes, hiv patient was bein pray for, and she got heal, the pastor that pray for her do not even know he heal someone, until they told him.

freethinker01: Matthew 7:7 ask and it shall be given. I made reference to that cus while i was a xtain, i pray and fast a lot. It got to a point in time, i had to stop cus all the things i ask and pray for never come my way. It's just a mere waste of time. Precious one for that matter.

and if you keep on asking, you will never get what you are lookin for, you know why? Because he know your intention, he know how you will turn back against Him IF HE DID NOT ANSWER YOUR PRAYER. AND JESUS SAID UNTO THEM, WOE TO THE WORLD BECAUSE OF OFFENCE , OFFENCE WILL COME BUT WOE TO THAT MAN WHO THE OFFENCE COME FROM. Oh my oh my, you better pray you are not the man.

Reiyvinn: For centuries Theists have struggled to reconcile the attributes (Omniscience, Omnipotence, e.t.c) which are commonly ascribed to God, whom they regard as the Almighty Creator of the Universe. However, noting the conflicts between each attributes and the problems they pose, Theists are left between the dilemmas of either reducing one attribute for the other or accepting the contradictions of both unquestionably as one of the features of The Vague God.

Without making mention of the injury these attributes give to the existence of God (which is being discussed HERE in summarized details), there is a major part of every religion that does no justice to God's Omniscience and, though being ignored or overlooked, deals a big blow to right-thinking minds that possess the power of reason:

WHY DO WE PRAY?

According to religious Books (at least, the ones I know), it is an agreed belief that the Omniscient God has a Purpose and Plan for every life on earth, and from the Bible, "God does not lie and cannot change his mind." (Numbers 23:13).

The question is "Why Do We Pray?"

God has a plan and purpose for you, right?

God cannot change his mind, right?

What then do we expect from God when we pray?

Do you pray to an All-Knowing God to "REMIND" him of your needs? (But Christ said he "knows your need before you ask" Matthew 6:6-7)

Is it just an act of devotion? (Cool. But Oops, devotion or no devotion, how does that affect his Plan and Purpose for you?)

If your death is meant to be today and then you pray to God to avert every possible death for you that day, what are you telling God to do? To "change his mind"?

Look, what I'm saying in essense is this:

If God is Omniscient as you believe, every prayer to Him regarding your needs undermines his nature and are futile since he already has an ungoing plan that even your prayers can't change. (I'm not talking about praise, thanksgiving and blah blah blah, I'm talking about prayer for favour from God.)

I may be wrong quite alright but I want y'all to let your brains work on this a little bit before coming to bash me.

Thanks

you ask a good question, I will try and answer it, we are all here to learn from each other, but I hope you are sincere, most people ask to mock God.

To the op:you said"why do we pray?" And I reply "why do we fall sick?"you see, the only way to communicate with God is by prayer, talking to God, if you want your dad to give you somtin, you must ask and if you dad has the POWER TO SEARCH YOUR HEART LIKE GOD, HE KNOW YOUR INTENTION, HE WILL SUPPLY ALL YOUR NEED. Another reason again is that God hate sin and cannot behold sin, if we don't pray HOW WOULD A SINNER ASK FOR FORGIVENESS ?

Luke 18:13.BUT THE TAX COLLECTOR [SINNER] STOOD AT A DISTANCE, HE WOULD NOT EVEN LOOK UP TO HEAVEN BUT BEAT HIS CHESS AND SAID, LORD BE MERCIFUL TO ME A SINNER.

Let me explain somtin in this luke18:13. The tax collector is a poor man, why dint he just pray for richness? He know he was a sinner and God cannot give him any favour unless he repent , the only way to repent is by prayer, so he pray the prayer of forgiveness and God forgive him.
Thank you.

tess1: Who were Luke and Mathew that made those statements?

Where did they get those statements from?

Were those statements revealed to them by God?

So, he was even called the son of God before his birth. What is the authenticity of this God's sonship?

Please, i'll like to learn.

luke is an apostle, matthew is one of jesus christ disciple.

read my coment again. It was no man that called him the son of God, even the wise men and angel worship Him, if jesus is not the son of God, he would av forbid them to do such, tell me which prophet has that kind of benefit? John 1:1. In the beginning was the word , the word was with God , the word was God.
The question is which word is that?read the beginning. Genesis1:1 and God said LET THERE BE LIGHT.which prophet of God has made claim to be the light of the world? No one but JESUS, JOHN8:12. AND JESUS SPOKE TO THE PHARISEES AGAIN, I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD,HE WHO FOLLOW ME WILL HAVE THE LIGHT OF LIFE AND WILL NEVER WALK IN DARKNESS.


CONFESSING JESUS CHRIST IS ACCEPTING THE WORD OF GOD
BECAUSE JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD, NOT
CONFESSING JESUS BUT DECIDED TO BE A
GOOD MAN, IS LIKE A MAN TELLING GOD,
"HELLOW GOD,I KNOW SATAN IS A BAD
MAN AND YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP ME, BUT GOD I DON'T NEED YOUR HELP, I CAN SAVE
MYSELF, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR WORD
[JESUS]