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[quote author=Odward]During sunday school yesterday,we talked about RAPTURE 2,which really brought about a question which till now i don't understand or definitely not satisfied with the ansers......During the time of moses and the likes before the coming of Jesus those that didn't die in christ or never knew jesus what will happen to them,because the bible said 'The world would not come to an end except everyone hears of the Gospel and a passage in the bible says also that once the trumpet is blown those that are dead in christ would rise from the dead before the saints then after this Judgement so the question is...Are there no sinners in hell fire,before the coming of jesus those that didn't hear of the gospel,what would happen to them?[/quote Gen 18:25 says, “Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?” God never judges righteous people in the same way that He judges the wicked. It is clear throughout the ages, that many people, prior to Christ birth, lived good lives. The question is: How did they live such good lives without Christ saving them? The answer: they could not without salvation. So how could Christ save people before His coming to die on the Cross? Here is the answer: First of all, Christ birth was not the time that Christ existed. He has always existed, because He is God the Son; He just did not have a flesh and blood body prior to His birth. However, He is the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world (Rev 13:. So before His birth, God credited Christ death as an “I owe you.” Just like you write down I owe you to someone, you promise that one day you will pay it. The same is true of God. Before Christ came to the earth, God promised all people that one day He will pay for their debt, and so he counted their debts paid even before Christ died. So how did He save them without the Holy Spirit regenerating them? Remember, Christ is the wisdom of God (1 Cor 1:24), and His wisdom has been available from the beginning of creation. By wisdom the LORD laid the earth's foundations (Prov 3:19). Jesus is the one who laid the earth’s foundations. Through him all things were made (John 1:3). Jesus, prior to His birth, existed in the form of the wisdom of God. When someone “found Jesus” they found “wisdom.” This wisdom enabled people to live righteous lives, just as the Holy Spirit gives us this ability. People’s noble lives proved that they had touched Christ in some way, or should I say, Christ touched them in some way.

when you see atheist coment on a thread like this, they are realy afraid, what if there is God? What's gonna happen to me?how will I face Him?
There insecurity will eat them alive.

Choicy: Like it is said; that those who are dead in christ are in Abraham's bosom...... I'm rovering...... What about those who did not died in christ, where are they?! Please help

hell.

tola9ja: yes I repeat it there is no verse in the bible that said u sud worshipp in the church or goto church on sunday or do christmass all this are fabrications finally the original hinjil as been hide because they no if u see it u will change to islam and there will be no way 4 them to make money

matthew 16:18. Parallel Verses New International Version And I tell you that you are Peter, and on
this rock I will build my church, and the
gates of Hades will not overcome it. New Living Translation Now I say to you that you are Peter
(which means 'rock'), and upon this rock
I will build my church, and all the powers
of hell will not conquer it. English Standard Version And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this
rock I will build my church, and the gates
of hell shall not prevail against it. New American Standard Bible "I also say to you that you are Peter, and
upon this rock I will build My church; and
the gates of Hades will not overpower it. King James Bible And I say also unto thee, That thou art
Peter, and upon this rock I will build my
church; and the gates of hell shall not
prevail against it. Holman Christian Standard Bible And I also say to you that you are Peter,
and on this rock I will build My church,
and the forces of Hades will not
overpower it. International Standard Version I tell you that you are Peter, and it is on
this rock that I will build my
congregation, and the powers of hell will
not conquer it. NET Bible And I tell you that you are Peter, and on
this rock I will build my church, and the
gates of Hades will not overpower it. Aramaic Bible in Plain English “Also I say to you, that you are Kaypha,
and upon this stone I shall build my
church, and the gates of Sheol will not
withstand it.”

Your knowledge of the gospel is so low no need to preach to you, you just want aguement. By the way, no place in the quran you are ask to pray 5 times a day or go to mecca.

tola9ja: yes I repeat it there is no verse in the bible that said u sud worshipp in the church or goto church on sunday or do christmass all this are fabrications finally the original hinjil as been hide because they no if u see it u will change to islam and there will be no way 4 them to make money

Parallel Verses New International Version And I tell you that you are Peter, and on
this rock I will build my church, and the
gates of Hades will not overcome it. New Living Translation Now I say to you that you are Peter
(which means 'rock'), and upon this rock
I will build my church, and all the powers
of hell will not conquer it. English Standard Version And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this
rock I will build my church, and the gates
of hell shall not prevail against it. New American Standard Bible "I also say to you that you are Peter, and
upon this rock I will build My church; and
the gates of Hades will not overpower it. King James Bible And I say also unto thee, That thou art
Peter, and upon this rock I will build my
church; and the gates of hell shall not
prevail against it. Holman Christian Standard Bible And I also say to you that you are Peter,
and on this rock I will build My church,
and the forces of Hades will not
overpower it. International Standard Version I tell you that you are Peter, and it is on
this rock that I will build my
congregation, and the powers of hell will
not conquer it. NET Bible And I tell you that you are Peter, and on
this rock I will build my church, and the
gates of Hades will not overpower it. Aramaic Bible in Plain English “Also I say to you, that you are Kaypha,
and upon this stone I shall build my
church, and the gates of Sheol will not
withstand it.”

Your knowledge of the gospel is so low no need to preach to you, you just want aguement. By the way, no place in the quran you are ask to pray 5 times a day or go to mecca.

tola9ja: you can never see a bible verse that mention the word Bible it was name by a Human being the original scripture of prophet MUSA(JESUS ) is. Hinjil there is notin. Like church in the bible people just put it down to make money think judiciously there is only 1 way to salvation. It is appointed 4 a man To die. Once after death Is judgement no more Turning back

@bold. You are so confused,nothin like church in the bible? You don't even know what you are sayin.

You say the real injeel was giving to jesus, were is it?

Sagamite: https://www.nairaland.com/1020560/relative-spouse-beaten-brother-in-law-story/8#11934797

I ask you a question, you gave me a link, for what? Is the question to hard to answer?
thank you for your time.

Sagamite: Really?

Which many are falling in your eyes?

I will tell you, bt by viewing your post, I need to ask you, are you an atheist? I don't want to unnecessary aguement with atheist. Thank you.

I strongly believe, vedaxcool is from kogi state, egbira boy.

Mazaje, kana bata dai lokochi ka, ba za taba yada dai kei.

Na san ali so.

Weah96: I don't know what happens when humans die. You do. You read it in a book written by a handful of Jewish blasphemers. The Jews themselves believe in death as punishment. No sane judge, even one in the afterlife, will expect me to believe foolishness. You, on the other hand, know that this judge exists, making you bound by his rules. You have spoken to him, he has responded on several occasions. All I was given was a book. We're not in the same category. Maybe atheists were created simple minded, we don't have the accessories required to ignore common sense, even just for once. Our burden is lighter than you deeper seers. So I don't think that you'll just die. After all, you are in contact with the creator, and the bible shouldn’t even matter at this point. We will, at the worst just die like everything else, eternally asleep in the best dreamland.
So there is no advantage for you the believer. My argument applies to all Gods. If Allah is the judge, he will know that I wasn't given anything to go on. But he will have a problem with you, because you're the one who spoke to unauthorized versions of Jesus. Every God will have the exact same problem with you. Shiva will feed you to some innovative animals as punishment.

that's the point am talking about, you don't know what is happening to the dead right now, nether do I, am not gonna take the risk, it better to believe than take this risk you are taking, if you are wrong , no God, I will be ok, if there is God, you would'nt be ok.

babylolaroy: you are not a christian buh you believe in christ. your case is a sorry one

my good friend, did jesus say he was a christian? All you need to do is to confess your sin to Him.
CONFESSING JESUS CHRIST IS ACCEPTING THE WORD OF GOD BECAUSE
JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD, NOT
CONFESSING JESUS BUT DECIDED TO BE A
GOOD MAN, IS LIKE A MAN TELLING GOD,
"HELLOW GOD,I KNOW SATAN IS A BAD
MAN AND YOU'RE TRYING TO HELP ME, BUT GOD I DON'T NEED YOUR HELP, I CAN SAVE MYSELF, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR WORD [JESUS].

Religion is man reach out for God, man has a sinful nature, you can not stand in the presence of God, first accept his word[jesus].

zeb04: God bless you. I felt like I was listening to a preacher preach.

remain bless

his is wat the moderator want, they
don't want evangelism thread on
frontpage, only thread that is against the
bible, just to mock God, if it the muslim
thread, it either a thread about a
christian who convert or ramadan thread, well, am not surprise but one thin I know,
either the devil like it or not THE GOSPEL
SHALL BE PREACH AND THEN THE END
WILL COME.
LET ME USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY
ONE OR TWO THIN TO MY BRETHREN. psalm 11:3.if the foundation is faulty,
what can the righteous do? .david ask the
question because the foundation of adam
and eve is faulty, the weakness start
when satan descive adam and eve. So
david ask this important question, God will not leave anytin untouched, man
need a new foundation to start, God
created us in his image, this make us
Godly, but when adam fall God take away
the Godliness, is like satan sink our solid
foundation which is Godliness, that why david ask the question IF THE
FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD IS FAULTY,
WHAT CAN THE RIGHTEOUS DO?notice,
david did not say what CAN mankind do?
But he said , what can the righteous do?
The question is WHO WILL UNITE US BACK TO GODLINESS? This is the reason jesus
has to be born of THE SPIRIT OF GOD, TO
UNITE US BACK TO GODLINESS, no other
prophet has the nature of Godliness , they
all have the foam of Godliness, isaiah say,
he is our solid foundation, the chief conner stone.
John10:9.I am the door;by me if any man
enter in, he shall be save and he shall go
in and out and find pasture.
John 10:11. I am the good shepherd, the
good shepherd give his life for his sheep. John10:14.i am the good shepherd, my
sheep know me and I know
them..........18.no man can take them out
of my hand,
John15:1. i am the true vine and my
father is the husbandman.......4.abide in me and I in you as the branch cannot bear
fruit of it self.
Revelation1:18. I am he that liveth and
was dead behold am alive forevermore
amen, and have takin the key of hell and death.he want us to have a relationship with
him as a family, christian , muslim etc God
don't ask us to be any of them, you just
need to confess jesus and be born again
start your new foundation with God, the foundation of adam is faulty and man
cannot dwell in it, this is the ONLY
REASON YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. Thank
you for your time.

Weah96: You claim that your deity is not only real but all powerful, yet you spend all day defending him like a councillor. For weeks now, this deity hasn't spoken one single word to me. Only you and your kind are here.

nobody is defending God, WE ARE PREACHING THE WORD OF GOD, YOU DO NOT FIGHT BATTLE THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY WON.

Emmaomotob: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_hates_christmas.htm This is a link to show that God most certainly hates Christmas.The whites have spoiled and corrupted our world.These are some quotes from western feminists that are better tought than imagined***To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking Love Machine.” -– Valerie Solanas
*.“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin
*.“Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” — Susan Brownmiller
*.“The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” — Sharon Stone
*.“In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” — Catherine MacKinnon
*.“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart
*.“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” – Catherine Comins
*.“All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French
*.“Probably the only place where a man can feel really secure is in a maximum security prison, except for the imminent threat of release.” — Germaine Greer.

God hate christmas? That was the philosophy of men, the idea of men, if God hate christmas, he would have told us.

The birth day of jesus may be wrong but the Lord KNOW'S our heart, as long as we dedicate it to Him, we are happy.

MissMeiya: People are actually in here saying you're not supposed to READ the bible. You're supposed to feel the Holy Spirit in it. It's things like this that make me want to give up on Nigeria.

God is removing the crop from the weed, if you found your self falling down, the strong delution God send affect you, because you are sleeping when the labourer are harvesting, long time ago jesus say many will fall, it happening now in our eyes and still yet people will mock God, that's the delution, someone even say jesus christ dos not exist, then I reply him sayin, EVEN HISTORY PUT HIS NAME ON THE CALENDAR , THE B.C AND A.D. HISTORY SUPPORT JESUS EXIST.

I reapet, EITHER THE DEVIL LIKE IT OR NOT, THE GOSPEL SHALL BE PREACH AND THEN THE END WILL COME.
Thank you.

this is wat the moderator want, they don't want evangelism thread on frontpage, only thread that is against the bible, just to mock God, if it the muslim thread, it either a thread about a christian who convert or ramadan thread, well, am not surprise but one thin I know, either the devil like it or not THE GOSPEL SHALL BE PREACH AND THEN THE END WILL COME.

LET ME USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY ONE OR TWO THIN TO MY BRETHREN.

psalm 11:3.if the foundation is faulty,
what can the righteous do? .david ask the
question because the foundation of adam
and eve is faulty, the weakness start
when satan descive adam and eve. So
david ask this important question, God will not leave anytin untouched, man
need a new foundation to start, God
created us in his image, this make us
Godly, but when adam fall God take away
the Godliness, is like satan sink our solid
foundation which is Godliness, that why david ask the question IF THE
FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD IS FAULTY,
WHAT CAN THE RIGHTEOUS DO?notice,
david did not say what CAN mankind do?
But he said , what can the righteous do?
The question is WHO WILL UNITE US BACK TO GODLINESS? This is the reason jesus
has to be born of THE SPIRIT OF GOD, TO
UNITE US BACK TO GODLINESS, no other
prophet has the nature of Godliness , they
all have the foam of Godliness, isaiah say,
he is our solid foundation, the chief conner stone.
John10:9.I am the door;by me if any man
enter in, he shall be save and he shall go
in and out and find pasture.
John 10:11. I am the good shepherd, the
good shepherd give his life for his sheep. John10:14.i am the good shepherd, my
sheep know me and I know
them..........18.no man can take them out
of my hand,
John15:1. i am the true vine and my
father is the husbandman.......4.abide in me and I in you as the branch cannot bear
fruit of it self.
Revelation1:18. I am he that liveth and
was dead behold am alive forevermore
amen, and have takin the key of hell and
death. So my sister God don't recognise religion,
he want us to have a relationship with
him as a family, christian , muslim etc God
don't ask us to be any of them, you just
need to confess jesus and be born again
start your new foundation with God, the foundation of adam is faulty and man
cannot dwell in it, this is the ONLY
REASON YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. Thank
you for your time.

I PRAY THEY DON'T HIDE MY COMMENT.

zeb04: He deserve more than he got. if I find out someone is molesting my child or younger ones,I can bet that person will never see the light of day

nice one lady.
Lolz, no go fight person wey strong pass you ooo, but wait o, gay strong at all? I no belief say gay go fit beat any woman o.

may God deliver us from this people.

babylolaroy: i will be more surprised if God does not punish you for your insolence and i'd be most surprised if you had put a 'd' after your 'surprise'

psalm 11:3.if the foundation is faulty, what can the righteous do? .david ask the question because the foundation of adam and eve is faulty, the weakness start when satan descive adam and eve. So david ask this important question, God will not leave anytin untouched, man need a new foundation to start, God created us in his image, this make us Godly, but when adam fall God take away the Godliness, is like satan sink our solid foundation which is Godliness, that why david ask the question IF THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD IS FAULTY, WHAT CAN THE RIGHTEOUS DO?notice, david did not say what CAN mankind do? But he said , what can the righteous do? The question is WHO WILL UNITE US BACK TO GODLINESS? This is the reason jesus has to be born of THE SPIRIT OF GOD, TO UNITE US BACK TO GODLINESS, no other prophet has the nature of Godliness , they all have the foam of Godliness, isaiah say, he is our solid foundation, the chief conner stone.

John10:9.I am the door;by me if any man enter in, he shall be save and he shall go in and out and find pasture.

John 10:11. I am the good shepherd, the good shepherd give his life for his sheep.

John10:14.i am the good shepherd, my sheep know me and I know them..........18.no man can take them out of my hand,

John15:1. i am the true vine and my father is the husbandman.......4.abide in me and I in you as the branch cannot bear fruit of it self.

Revelation1:18. I am he that liveth and was dead behold am alive forevermore amen, and have takin the key of hell and death.

So my sister God don't recognise religion, he want us to have a relationship with him as a family, christian , muslim etc God don't ask us to be any of them, you just need to confess jesus and be born again start your new foundation with God, the foundation of adam is faulty and man cannot dwell in it, this is the ONLY REASON YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN. Thank you for your time.

Emusan: I've shared it many times on this forum to Atheist like you but they say many thing about it.

Before I go on I will like to let you know that if someone tells you a story about h/himself especially what s/he has passed through, you the listener has only two options
1) It's either you accept it whole heartedly or
2) you reject it.

It happened in 2005 & 2008 while I was praying suddenly I began to feel a powerful force moving towards me with fully knowledge of me that SOMEONE IS coming (my door was looked and it's at the middle of the night) so He moved close to me BUT I WAS so afraid so I got up because I was on my knee. so I began to ask myself someone enter this room.....


The visitation of 2008 was the one that expounded that of 2005, it started like that of 2005 after He moved close to me He covered me as if I was inside of Him.

In the two visitations as He was coming and Hid force is moving towards me I started speaking in tongue.
I was born into C & S church which in my time I never believe in tongue even sometimes making jest of them because I'm more or less like an Atheist just going to church for goodness sake which within me I mocked them even sometimes I can say I mock God.

Then God backups His visitation with a promise He told me that none of my family, my friends & I will ever involve in an accident. ( I later realise the reason of this promise because I usually afraid of traveling right from my childhood) apart from this they're many things God has done that time & space won't permit me to dive into.

This is all about me, my life & Christian race you can call it a delusion but I know WHAT I EXPERIENCED.

Like I said I'm not a pastor nor owning a Church which I'm not even pray to be (because it's not an easy task) BUT I have a testimony of God which has been my song to those I come across.

Reasoning and logic can't find God but our love with a humble heart towards him can do.

bless you brother. This is wonderful.

babylolaroy: First the reason you will leave is because you want to leave.
Next;because it is right to leave
Next; because you are convinced of its truth.
i tell you there are so many reasons buh you have to learn them from a mufti who can show you the truth face to face.
regarding that word picture, Aisha was his wife, how small so ever, so whats d big deal in handling one's wife¿?.
That jesus didnt marry doesnt make him any saint-er
do you know how old jesus' mother was?...she was 12 wen she had him...wic was not abnormal to people of that time, if she had been married normally

you will be surprise that God will reject the idea of religion, there is just one reason you must be born again, let keep christianity aside.

Dapo777: God created the heavens and the earth and saw that EVERYTHING WAS GOOD!!! Please from where cometh evil since God confirmed that everything He made was good? WHERE COMETH EVIL

to you, this is a good question.
But to me, this is how I view the question:God why did you created me? You shouldn't have created me.

The battle of God and lucifer did not end in heaven, there are many tin the book of genesis dint mention, I strongly believe God make some prophecy, very soon we will know. It better I stop here. Thank you for your time.

maestroferddi: I need to understand what you mean by sin negating a blessing but keeping the gift intact. You seem to have forgotten that the gift itself is a blessing or that the two go hand in hand. On the other hand, the bible put in succinctly that God allows the rain to fall on both the just and the just. You example collapses on the foregoing, don't you think?

a gift is somtin giving to you without hardship, someone voluntary give you somtin,but a blessing is a reward of your good work. Bible say for the wages of sin is death[pay for adam sin] but the FREE GIFT of God is enternal life through christ jesus. am a sinner, I do not deserve the gift of God in christ jesus , still God give me, unmarited favour from God, THAT'S GIFT.

I give an example of samson and daililah, the strength of samson is a gift even when he had sex with daililah, the strength was still there.until when he fail to yeld the instruction of God, even so the strength came back to him.
SIN CAN TAKE YOUR BLESSING BUT IT CAN'T TAKE THE FREE GIFT OF GOD.thank you.

Dapo777: Alexleo and malvisguy212 can you tell me where God is and what He is doing when all these things happens on earth:

More people commit suicide in New York City than are murdered.

About 153,000 people will die on your birthday.

Doctors’ sloppy handwriting kills more than 7,000 people annually.

Every hour, at least 1 person is killed by a drunk driver in the U.S.

Mount Everest has about 200 dead bodies on it, which are now landmarks on the way to the top.

Every 40 seconds, someone commits suicide.

Italian serial killer Leonarda Cianciulli was famous for turning victims into tea cakes and serving them to guests.


80% of all Soviet males born in 1923 died in World War II

You are more likely to die slipping in the bathtub, getting struck by lightning, or drowning in the bathtub, than from Terrorism.

Every 90 seconds, one woman dies during pregnancy or childbirth.
And much more. You should also know that not a single event happens on earth that God doesn't know of,but what does he do when this things are happening?
Or let me say what does he plan on doing to end all ?
evils? He would torment sinners in hell for eternity, wow,what a great and perfect solution from a loving God. He hasn't gotten enough entertainment from the torments men are going through on earth ,so he decided to create hell for the continuous torment of men,of what purpose is that eternal torment? To entertain him ofcourse. Because if hell is trully for correction or punishment it shouldn't be eternal.

Oya tell me something I don't understand.

what is wrong with you guys? Is my explanation not enough? Were do this guys come from?

Sin disconnect you from God, the moment you sin, God has nothin to do with you again because you obey the devil by sining,the only prayer you have to say is prayer of forgiveness.a normal human bein cannot commit suicide,unless the devil has total control of there life, so , sin disconnect you from God that give satan the opportunity to take total control of your life.even the bible make it clear, the devil came to steal and destroy, so all those serial killer you mention were doin the work of satan, I don't want to judge the people they killed because am not God, but a true christian cannot die in the hands of his enemy.

AS FAR AS AM CONCERN, THE ENEMY WILL NEVER NEVER IN THERE LIFE COME NEAR ME, BECAUSE I SO MUCH TRUST IN MY FATHER IN HEAVEN.
Thank you.

maestroferddi: I am sorry, but your analogy and example are neither logical nor biblically sound.

let us here from you,my good friend.

alexleo: my dear leave the guy, he is confused. I hope Seun will start charging people for opening a thread so that some of this people will reason well before they spend money to open a thread.

it just to sad, thank you brother, remain bless.

Dapo777: Because you disobey God and sin once in a while,does that suggest you don't believe in God again?

what are you saying? Because they sin once? Let assume the sin only one time, God don't ignore sin, you must pay for it, moreover the israelite live by the law at that time.

2 Peter 2:20-21New International Version (NIV) 20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior
Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it
and are overcome, they are worse off at
the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
than to have known it and then to turn
their backs on the sacred command that
was passed on to them.

Verse 22 SAY , as the proverb say.......the dog turn to it own vomit.

Dapo777: Which Bible are u using? Where in the Bible is it suggested that the Israelites don't believe in God?

do you read the bible at all? On many occasion, the israelite forsook God and worship baal.

Weah96: Atheist does.

how?

ebdib: @bolded.
Your Iq is too low for me to argue with you. I'll be insulting myself. I'll be insulting myself by doing so.

God created Man for the express purpose
of mutual relationship with him, but gave
Man the power of choice and free will.
Man chose to break that relationship and
has been trying to find his own way by
inventing religions and cults of all kinds in an effort to replace that void left by lack
of relationship with his Creator. But relationship with God cannot be found
through religion. In fact, religion is the
biggest roadblock to seeking a
relationship with God. Religion is simply
Man trying to reach out to God by doing
something that he thinks will please God. “If I can do enough, say enough, pray
enough, give enough, sacrifice enough
perhaps God will show me favor”. Every religion is based upon this “works theology”. Neither ceremony, liturgy,
creeds, sacraments nor money have ever
brought one soul into a reconciled
relationship to God.

ebdib: @bolded.
Your Iq is too low for me to argue with you. I'll be insulting myself. I'll be insulting myself by doing so.

mr high Iq. That the truth, religion is man makin decision for God, example is the tower of babel, they are religion, they make a decision to meet God,with there sinful nature[adam] God destroy there plan, if God wanted us to be religion,he would have instruct adam the day he created him.