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blueAgent:
Ok, So are the father and son of the same age?

not at all my brother... does that make the son a less human ?

blueAgent:
And I ask you what is glory?

You just exposed yourself I thought Jesus and God are the same persons how come is Jesus asking the father to glory him with the glory they shared I thought it was only Jesus who was God and father at the same time,?

the son is not the father.

blueAgent:
Crap, it's obvious you cannot explain your trinity doctrine so you resort to "there are things you cannot explain or understand" which is falsehood becos God has explicitly told us who he is,who Jesus is and the relationship between both of them but you trinitarians would ingnore that inorder to promote your fraud doctrine.

alright

blueAgent:
Are you hearing yourself.

Is there any sense in what you said God will give BIRTH to UNCREATED God.
God is a God of order and not the author of confusion.
How can something be UNCREATED or has no beginning and yet it was given birth to? guy check yourself first before you respond, the trinity doctrine is having great toil on you.

are you sure you went to Sunday school class? this is like the same question Nicodemus ask Jesus " how can a man be born again ? to enter his mother womb and be born the second time?"

you need to seat down and ask who is Jesus ? the fact that He was given birth to a human mean He is human , and the fact that His origin is unknown mean He is God. He has two NATURE.Fully God and fully human, each nature is distinct to each other, there are things the Godly nature knows but human nature don't know.

if a spirit possessed you, there are things you do that when you ceme back to your humanely nature, you will deny ever doing it. Christ is a man that was possessed by God the son.

blueAgent:
Is that your response to my question?

I ask you , what manner of man is Jesus that He should share the Glory with God before the world was , and instead of answering , you are explaining the meaning of glory to me. here what the Bible say :
Isaiah 42:8
“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not
give my glory to anyone else, nor share my
praise with carved idols.

YET concerning Jesus, the Bible say:

John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your
presence with the glory I had with you
before the world began.

what manner of man is Jesus that He should share the Glory with God before the world was?

blueAgent:
The Bible says Jesus was begotten or came forth from the father this is an established Bible fact.

If trinity is true as they claim then it means God also has a beginning and was also begotten.

Since God is equal and the same person as Jesus , can you see the danger of your trinity doctrine?

you know the saddest thing about your question ? you ask questions as if English interpreted the Bible, no, Greek and Hebrew interprets scripture.

the Greek word for begotten is monogenes , it's explained the UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP of the father and son . take for example the sacrifice of Abraham and Isaac. Consider when God asked Abraham to
sacrifice his son Isaac as an offering.

God says to Abraham, “Take your son,
your ONLY[monogenes] son Isaac,
whom you love, and go to the land of
Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt
offering on one of the mountains of
which I shall tell you” (Gen. 22:2)

Isaac was the second born of Abraham, but why did God address Isaac as the ,ONLY SON ? If you
understand monogenes as a literal begetting,then God clearly got His facts wrong. However, if you
understand monogenes as a unique, one-of-a-kind relationship, then God can accurately describe Isaac his "only” or “only begotten” son. Isaac was the only son of the covenant.

blueAgent:
Really? all this your analogy would have made sense if you had a proof e. g a Bible verse but you cannot give one becos their is none to support your fairing tale.

You said one God created us according to malachi 2:10 and yet the are 3gods in 1 according to your trinity doctrine can't you see your confusion?.


Please show me were it is written that Jesus and the holyspirit are persons of the Godhead.

Matthew. 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and
of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

NAME, ( One God ) . with 3 personality ( The Godhead) . I could easily say 1×1×1=1 . but no, God is not bound on some mathematical law . but are you saying it is impossible for God to exist in more than 3 dimensional univers ? 3 in one entities cannot exist on earth, but in HEAVEN , it is very LOGICAL. we see the message in Genesis 1;26 Then God said, "Let US make mankind in OUR image, in our likeness...

One God created the univers, but are there not some kind of multiplicity in that vers ? don't be a reprobate mind. pick up the Bible and STUDY to show urself approved unto God..

blueAgent:
You are the one that needs God's help and forgiveness Satan has blinded you with the false trinity doctrine that you cannot even explain.

It is obvious you don't know what glory means.
[ U ] praise and thanks, especially as given to God:
Glory be to God!
He dedicated his poetry to the glory of God.

C1 [ U ] great admiration, honour, and praise that you earn
by doing something successfully:
He revelled in the glory of scoring three goals in the final eight
minutes.
This was her final professional match, and she wanted to end
her career in a blaze of glory.

[ C ] an important achievement that earns someone great
admiration, honour, and praise:
The reunion is an opportunity for the soldiers to remember
their past glories.
–More examples
He basked in his moment of glory, holding the trophy up to
the crowd.
He ascended into Heaven, where He reigns in everlasting
glory.
He knew that to win this battle would bring him true glory.
Despite their early promise, neither of these fine players
achieved true glory.
These athletes push their bodies to the limit for the ultimate
glory of breaking the world record.


Secondly if you read proverbs 8:22 you will understand what Jesus meant by glory he shared with his father before the world began.

you are something els. it is either you are doing this deliberately or something is manipulating you.

blueAgent:
You twist Bible verses to suit your lies.

It was Isaiah that said SEND ME. and not Jesus as you claimed earlier.
And it was God that asked that question.

When did plurality equate to only 3?
plural
/ˈplʊər(ə)l/
adjective
1. (of a word or form) denoting more than ONE, or (in
languages with dual number) more than two.
2. containing several diverse elements.
noun a plural word or form.

Any thing more than one automatically becomes US it can mean 2,3,4,5,6, or a 1million. in this case God was referring to himself and his son.

Jehovah witness doctrines have block your thinking, I am using the statement said by God in that verse to analyze the nature of God.

This is what the bible teaches:
1. the Bible teaches that the Godhead is one in
nature.
2. the Bible teaches that God the Father is one
personality of the Godhead.
3. the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is one
personality of the Godhead.
4. the Bible teaches that Jesus the Son is one
personality of the Godhead.
Conclusion: Therefore, God is composed of three
personalities in one nature.

The Bible says that “one God” created us (Malach 2:10),A closer look, however, at the Creation of man shows that some type of multiplicity was involved. Genesis 1:26-27 states, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.… So God created man in His own image, in the image of
God He created him; male and female He created them.”

MetaPhysical:
Really?

You guys live beyond realities of life. Wallahi!

Wars are fought for posessiveness on territorial space. Wars begin with targeted attacks.

A claimant to a space demands its continous dominance over a new class of arrivals disrupting its power and authority on the land.

Culture clash is often first signs of power disruption. Every culture has a right to self-preserve against threats of displacement by a foreing element on its soil.

It is well known in US that the govt is against polygamy. Intentional communities that practice polygamy are placed on surveillance and are soon raided and disbanded. Sometimes federal agents will forcefully arrest their leaders and lock them up then systemically rehabilitate the community members into mainstream. Leaders that resist arrest will have to settle for gun duel and firepower to settle score.

So US, land of liberty, will not think twice before it would eliminate value system that clashes with its culture.

This is common practice around the world.

Zakzakky and Shiaa are being disbanded because the mainstream muslims up there in North believe IMN cluture of Islam clashes with that stamped by their leaders as authentic.

So when certain people go to SA and clash with their culture why should we blame the people for self preservation?


What is xenophobia?
Words like xenophobia, racism are expressions to be used by the victim to seek redress against injustice. It does not give you guarantees of liberty to disrespect your host country and fail to respect what is dear and of value to them.

I have more sense in one lifetime than you can ever have even if you reicarnate and live 10 life times.

you are wrong bro.this is like saying the holocaust is good for the German ,

blueAgent:
This does not mean that Jesus is God or has been existing all through eternity rather it shows that he was established to rule for eternity.
From this Bible verses we can see that Jesus has a beginning.

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, THIS DAY have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I begotten thee.

what manner of man is Jesus that He share the Glory with God before the world BEGAN ?

God forgive you . thank you.

blueAgent:
Lies.

You just picked verse 8 of that chapter and left from verse 1 inorder to hide the truth.
For your information prophet Isaiah was the one who wrote that verse and it was him that told God to send him and not Jesus. God was the one speaking to Isaiah and the us there, was God referring to himself and his son.

For your information there is no where in the Bible that God the Father, God the son and God the Holyspirit is written.

we are not talking about the NATURE of Isaiah, we are talking about the NATURE of God. who made this statement ?

"WHOM SHALL I SEND" (ONE
GOD) and the verse continue "WHO WILL GO
FOR US" (three personalities)"

who is talking hear ? Isaiah ? why did the speaker switch from singularity to plural ?

in fact the baptism of Jesus present God the father and the son and the Holy spirit. and the father called Jesus the son.

Janosky:
@1).
You're lying & promoting a FRAUD.
Micah5:2, says "his origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago".
That verse NEVER said Jesus is the Ancient of Days"
Daniel 7:13,14 says Jesus is son of man, NOT "Ancient of Days".


@2) John17:22,24, Jesus Christ says his Father gave him the glory because his Father loves him before the founding of the world".
Further PROOF he is God's son in heaven.

Note: John 17:1 Jesus prayed for the Father to give him the glory (proof he did not own it but it was granted to him. Compare John 11:41,42).

**#**

In heaven ,
@i)
Yahweh gave Jesus appointed Jesus as heir,gave him inheritance. Heb1:2-3.

@ii)
Yahweh granted Jesus authority. Matt28:18.

@iii)
Yahweh gave Jesus a name above other names. Phil2:9

@iv)
Yahweh granted life to Jesus. John5:26.

@v)
Yahweh is the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ. Ephesians 1:3,17. Rev3:12.




Proof : Jesus says his God and Father is the only true God. John 17:3.

lol. the Glory that was SHARE TOGETHER BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, was given to Jesus by God ?

the FULLY HUMANLY Jesus pray to God the father does not make Him a less God .

yes, the Bible teaches that Jesus is a human, He ate, sleep and He Even feel pain as we do, But the Bible is NOT silent of the divine NATURE OF JESUS, ALL the attributes the father has Jesus has it.

achorladey:
Micah 5:2 And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah,+
The one too little to be among the thousands* of Judah,
From you will come out for me the one to be ruler in Israel,+
Whose origin is from ancient times, from the days of long ago.

Are you making reference to this scripture?

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/micah/5/

And you, O Bethʹle·hem Ephʹra·thah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite.

John 17 :5 say Jesus share the Glory with God before the world was. what does it mean ? NWT is devilish. let make this clear to you, if you don't know Jesus you do not know the true God.

Janosky:
Pls quote the Bible version with that expression "His origin is UNKNOWN..."
I have NEVER seen that expression in any bible whether online or offline.

the message is clear in Micah 5:2, ancient of days is synonymous to eternal, which mean His origin is UNKNOWN. the book of John 17 :5 explained it more. Jesus claimed to share the Glory with God before the world was created, doesn't it mean that His origin is unknown ? oh I forget, since that verse did not favor you, I guess its a fraud, right ?

blueAgent:
And does your son been human with you make him your equal in age and authority?

in NATURE, does your son is less human than you ? why do you believe that God who is a transcendence being can Exist as a Godhead ?

genesis1:26
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in
our image, in our likeness...

The verse say "US" and then went on to say "IMAGE" if God is three separate being, the verse should've say images.

Isaiah 6:8
Then I heard the voice of the
Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send,
and who will go for US?" Then I said, "Here am I.
Send me!"

The verse say "WHOM SHALL I SEND" (ONE
GOD) and the verse continue "WHO WILL GO
FOR US" (three personalities)

The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God exists as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. However,these three persons are not three separate gods, but ONE GOD. This Trrinitarian concept of God might seem to be contradictory from a HUMAN
standpoint, but is perfectly logical from GOD'S EXTRADIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE. Anti-Trinitarian heresies elevate humans to the level of God or demote one or more persons of the Godhead to
non-God status. Don't fall into one of those traps!

blueAgent:
Were is it written that Jesus is the ancient of Days?

Micah 5:2. say His origin is UNKNOWN , from TIME PAST , THE ANCIENT OF DAYS.

Authority1o1:
No matter how 'they' try to write God out of the script,He is still there.
That you don't believe that there is sun does not mean that the sun is does not exist.

we are the witness of God existence. there unbelief doesn't make God cease to exist.

the reason why there is falling away in the church is because the the bible teaches how God is serious about sin, God will judge all sin, so the lifestyle they want to live has no place for God. If there is a Creator, then there is a God. If there is God, then there is a
Judge. If there is a Judge, then there is a judgment. And if there is a judgment, they will have to stand there one day. So they have to try to find a way to write God out of the script. thus they became atheists.

aishaemeka:
I was in a church were if you committed immorality, you are to meet the church leadership or maybe a pastor to confess what you did. I mean after praying for Forgiveness to God, you are still to go to the church leadership to confess.

There was a scenario where someone close to us slept with a lady I know. He reported to the church leadership about what he did and was suspended.

The fact is, will someone make heaven as a church worker if he covers up fornication & continues his church work?

Anyway, I am not a church worker.

do you know that not confessing your deep sin will hinder your spiritual GROWTH ? it will give the ACCUSER ( Satan ) options to manipulate you the more.

As we journey toward the happy land of heaven, we are faced with many temptations. When we give into them and sin,we become ensnared and hindered from
pressing on toward our heavenly goal. if things doesn't work out well for you in this life, know that there is a home call heaven, JUST GET THERE.

Maximus69:
Wow!

So you're not one of us!

Well you can never find anything like TRINITY in the Bible, because the author is just only ONE God! Deuteronomy 6:4 compared to Mark 12:28-30

Jesus is God's firstborn son{first and foremost creature directly made by God himself} just as Adam was the firstborn son of God{in the flesh}, Jesus was the first spirit creature God made! Proverbs 8:22 compared to Luke 3:38

God's holy spirit serves as an "Active Force".
For instance, each part of the human body serves different purposes:
Eyes~ Seeing
Mouth~ Speaking, Eating
Nose~ Breathing
Hands~ Working
Legs~ Movements and so on.

God as a spirit uses his active force to carry out whatever he wishes.
©Before creation it's only his active force that's moving here and there! Genesis 1:1-2

©In Egypt he used his active force to stop all other spirit forces that's enabling the magic practicing priests to imitate his miraculous signs before Pharaoh! Exodus 8:16-19

©God's active force enabled Balaam's donkey to speak! Numbers 22:28

©Samson was killing thousands of Philistines because God's active force was energizing him! Judges 16:28

©Elijah ran ahead of horses as God's active force enabled him! 1Kings 18:46

©God anointed his only begotten son at his baptism by means of the active force! Matthew 3:16-17

©After the establishment of Christianity God bless the Christians by using his active force to help them to accomplish unimaginable things!
Act 2:1-4, 3:1-8, 5:15

So the Holy Spirit is NOT a person like Jehovah and Jesus, it's just what God uses to accomplish his purposes.

Before his death, Stephen looked up into the heavens and he saw just two persons, God and Jesus standing by God's right hand! Act 7:56

But where is the holy spirit? Well it's just the force God used to enable Stephen see what ordinary eyes can't perceive! Act 7:55

God bless you!

the spirit is NOT an active force .

davodyguy:
I dont take all this unverified report and projection seriously.

What about Pretoria or Jo'burg?

There are more killings and cases of missing persons in America more than in Nigeria.

Under Trump alone, the number of people affected by Gun violence is more than those killed by Boko Haram under Buhari


How many people died since 2015 as a result of Boko Haram? America has lost more citizens than Nigeria, but no one will publicize this as much as they would for African Countries

you cannot insult your home and expect outsiders to praise it . ... 80% of comment on nairaland label Africa as bad, so what do you expect ? Nigerians are good, am proud to be a Nigerian.

madridguy:
In Islamic culture, women do not shake the hands of men for religious reasons. Instead, they opt to place their hands over their hearts as a form of greeting.

religious bondage.

Janosky:
1... 1Cor14:33 YHWH is not a God of confusion. The one true God will not confuse His servants.

2)
John5:43,Jesus came to earth in his Father's name to reveal his Father and God.
What did God reveal to man? Matt 3:16,17. Matt16:13-17. Revelation 1:1,5,6. 3:2,5.

@3)
Man is Elohim (Gods on earth) . Angels are Elohim,(Gods in heaven) 1Cor 8:5. Jesus says he's a God John 10:34-36.
Elohim is a plural descriptive of majesty,grandeur .not plurality of persons. (For instance, a Yoruba man will tell you "my Fathers is not at home" ,even though he's referring to one Father,not multiple fathers)
God too is Elohim. Psalms 82:1,6. 1Cor8:4. Elohim is a title for man, angels and the Almighty God (El-shaddai.)
Who is the One true Elohim? Only YHWH,Deu6:4. 1Cor8:6. Ex6:3. Psalms 83:18.
John 17:3,Jesus says it's YHWH, his God. Rev3:12.

@4)
This is the foundation of Trinity Scam-3 persons in one being.
Gen11:5,many people being one.
The question is :
Are they one entity/one being?
Husband and wife is one (flesh).Matt 19:5,6.
Are they one entity?
You know that the Jesus is DISTINCT from his Father and God, YHWH. Two separate spirit beings. 1Cor15:24-27. John 17:18.
But Trinitarians LIE they are one being /one entity /one spirit /One God.
Why

@5
Isaiah 6:8 doesn't convey anything co-relating to your claims. Very desperate attempt to prove a false claim.
Did YHWH not say you must be holy because HE is Holy 1Peter 1:16, Why you no connect am join your claim?

you are simply a comedian. you will do well in the entertainment industry

Janosky:
That's another corrupted verse twisted to support FALSEHOOD.
Hebrews 1:8 is a copy of Psalm 45:6.

@1) No Israelites reads Psalms 45:6 and concluded that their human king is God.
Because "Your throne oh God" is NOT genuine.
"God is (the foundation of) your throne" ,Your divine throne" is AUTHENTIC and CORRECT.

2) Jesus is an offspring of King David, prophesied to sit on the throne of David in Luke 1:30-33. Revelation 3:21.Jesus says "My Father's throne"

@3) @1Chronicles 29:23. 28:5, the throne of David is 'the throne of God', granted to offsprings of David.

@4) Psalms 45:6, says "your divine throne" ,or "God is (foundation of) your throne". (compare 1st Chronicles 29:23. 28:5).
That is what the Israelites/Jews were reading in Psalms 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8.

look, the Jews , ( the teachers of the law) they understand Jesus very well and they know His point that's why they wanted to stone Him.

if Jesus appear to you and ask this question :

Matthew 16:15
15 “But what about you?” he asked.
“Who do you say I am?”

that He is the Angel Michael ? simon Peter answer this question , " you are the Son of the living God" they understand Jesus very well. . As a result, the Jewish leaders tried to kill Him because in "calling God his own Father, [Jesus was] making himself equal
with God" nobody understand this laws more the Jews.

Janosky:
Malvis lie lie, "but to the son, His origin is UNKNOWN , the bible address it as the ANCIENT OF DAYS."

Daniel 7:13,14 Jesus Christ the son of man there is NOT the "Ancient of Days", stop twisting the holy Scriptures.

John5:26, the son Jesus revealed his origin, it is known.
"His origin UNKNOWN" is a fraud in the KJV.
That statement is NOT in any Hebrew manuscript or even the Septuagint.


Jesus Christ says his Father is "the only true God",John17:3. ( 1 Cor 8:6,'One God the Father') do you need to enroll in Adult Literacy Class to understand the expression "the ONLY true God" or "One God the Father"?

I pity you. concerning the origin of Jesus , what does Micah 5:2 say ? smh

blueAgent:
For your information am not a Jehovah's Witnesses.
You have not given me reason any proof of the trinity doctrine in the Bible

Can we really understand the trinity ? We can't , how can a finite being understand an infinite God ? Our responsibility is to believe what God has said about Himself.

The old testament prove the fact that there is ONLY ONE GOD. Isreal is surrounded with many nation that worship different gods. God people needed to know that there is only ONE GOD:

Deut. 6:4
"Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God is ONE LORD"

This verse give two details about God. 1. The nature of God (God's ONENESS) and 2. Jehovah is the only God. The old testament emphasizing of the UNITY of God, is not silent with respect to the PLURALITY of God's Nature. The old testament lay the groundwork for the new testament revelation.

The hebrew word for God is Elohim, plural in
form."In the beginning God CREATED" (Genesis
1:1). God is the omnipotent CREATOR! The
name for "God" found in Genesis 1:1 is the
Hebrew word "ELOHIM" the ending of this word
(..IM) is a plural ending,(more than one) just like
our english language "S" is the ending word for
plural. For example:

1. CHERUBIM (Exodus 25:18-20)
2. SERAPHIM (Isaiah 6:2,6)
3. TERAPHIM(judges 17:5)

The words end with IM , they are plural in form.
In Genesis 1:1 the verb "CREATED" is a
SINGULAR verb, and it means "HE (singular)
CREATED." Two answers may be given to the
question, "Who created the heavens and the
earth?".

1. HE DID (singular) because the verb means
"HE CREATED." The verb does not mean
"THEY CREATED."
2. GOD DID (plural) because the word
ELOHIM is a plural word!

So, there is a sense in which God the Creator is
singular. There is only ONE God and He is the
Creator. There is no other God. It is also true
that there is a sense in which He is plural. This
brings us to our next point:

PLURAL UNITY OF GOD.
Deuteronomy 6:4 says: "Hear, O Israel: The
LORD [singular] our God [ELOHIM-plural] is ONE
Lord."

God is Love, if God is two, our Love will be
DIVIDED and one will not Get our full devotion.
So YES, God is ONE and He deserve our Full
attention.

The Hebrew word"ONE"found in Deuteronomy 6:4
is a word that can be used to describe a
plural (composite) UNITY (a unity made up of
more than one component). For Example in
Genesis 11:5 "Behold, the PEOPLE IS ONE." The
people (plural) at Babel were united together as
ONE. It was a UNITY, but it was made up of
many people (a plural unity).

Another example is in Genesis 2:24 where the
same word "one" is found: "Therefore shall a
man leave his father and his mother and shall
cleave unto his wife and they shall be one flesh."
Here we have a plural unity. It is a ONENESS
made up of two persons" a husband and a wife"
They (plural) shall be one (singular) flesh. The
two are one.

Just as Genesis 11:5 speaks of a plural unity
(many people being ONE), and just as Genesis
2:24 speaks of a plural unity (two people being
ONE), so also Deuteronomy 6:4 describes God
who is a PLURAL UNITY. Later we will learn that
this plural unity is actually a TRI-UNITY.

In Isaiah 6:8 , we have a threefold
declaration of God's holiness: "And one cried
unto another, and said, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY is
the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of His
glory" (Isaiah 6:3). we learn elsewhere in
Scripture, namely that 1) God the Father is Holy
(John 17:11); 2) God the Son is Holy (Heb. 7:26
and compare Luke 1:35); 3) God the Holy Spirit
is Holy (as His very Name declares)

In Genesis , God is repeatedly mention as the
creator, and in Genesis 1:2 we saw how the Holy
spirit is actively involve " was moving in the face
of the water. And in john 1:1 we understand that
the Word (jesus) was God and everything were
created through Him.

blueAgent:
This does not prove that Jesus is Co-equal with God.
We all bear our fathers name does that make us equal to our father in age, authority and power.

Do you know that born again Christaintity and Angels are called gods?
now does that make us equal in power and authority with God?

If born again Christaintity can be called gods than how much more Jesus who has God's divine nature in him the only BEGOTTEN of God, of cos he is God by the reason of him been beget by a God but that does not mean he is equal in power and authority with God.

Psalm 82:6
I said, “You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most
High.

I ask a simple question. your son calling you father , does it make your son a less human ? Jesus calling God His Father does it make Him less God ?

what make us human , god ? the Bible make it clear that our origin BEGINS with God, but to the son, His origin is UNKNOWN , the bible address it as the ANCIENT OF DAYS.

blueAgent:
So in a nutshell you are saying that Jesus Co-equal to God but decided to play the role of a son?

in Hebrew chapter one, it was God the father speaking here,
Now about the angels He says: “He makes
His angels winds, His servants flames of fire.”
8 But about the SON He says: “Your throne, O
GOD, endures forever and ever, and justice is
the scepter of Your kingdom.

who called the Jesus the son ? and what was the speaker called Him ? God!! does it mean that the speaker of that verse is leas God ?

Jesus is NEVER the father, He is the son. on His earthly ministry, the father is in Heaven ( the Lord's prayer prove it, " OUR FATHER WHO AT IN HEAVEN)

blueAgent:
No one said the Son is less God just like no man is less human than his parents.
The fact or truth that we want people to understand is that Jesus is not the twin of God neither does he have same authority or power like his father except given to him by his father.

If you read proverbs 8:22 you will understand that God brought Jesus into existence which trinitarians deny by claiming Jesus is as old as his father.

remember that God beget Jesus and their is no where it is written that God himself is begotten.
BEGOTTEN
be-got'-'-n (yaladh; "to bear," "bring forth," "beget"; denotes the
physical relation of either parent to a child,

A somewhat old fashioned adjective, begotten is the past
participle of the verb beget, which means to father or produce
as offspring. You might recognize this word from John 3:16,
one of the most popular and most often quoted bible verses:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life."
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/begotten

let me repeat myself again. the bible teaching of the tri-unty of God is as a family RELATIONSHIP, the Father given authority to the son, this by no mean make the son a less God .in office, is the President Greater than you ? yes, but in nature is he BETTER than you ? NO.

in revelation 3:12 He is speaking as God and He is submitting to the WILL OF THE FATHER.

Janosky:
Malvis & Gbagbo lying Pharisees, agents of man made scam, Acts 2:36, who made Jesus a lord?
So in your brain scrubbed minds, what Peter said on earth (for which bible verses? ) in the physical realm surpassed Jesus words in the spiritual realm?
Indeed, your claims to being Christians na wash !!
Shame on you lying Pharisees.
I challenge you and all Trinitarians to twist Revelation 3:12....
Jesus Christ spoil market for una Trinity....
Lols

listen, Jesus calling God His father does not
imply inferiority, but a difference in roles, when your son called you father does it make him less human ? not at all. so it is with Jesus calling God, My God”.
He is not saying that the He is less “God” because the Father is His God. Rather, He is demonstrating that He is still under the authority of His Father God. we also learn that the son directed the holy spirit under the authority of the father in John 15:26.

this has always been the argument of the trinitarian that “When all things are subjected to Him, then the
Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him , so that God may be all in all.” this does not make the son less God

Janosky:
1) "in the NAME of the Father, and
of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit," so called one God is simply Sophistry built on FRAUD.
In the name of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob OR: Tom, Dick and Harry , these 3 names are one person..... Lols

@2) Show us proof.

John 17:18.
18" As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world."

Can your brain see that Jesus Christ is inferior to God as his disciples were inferior to Jesus?

"Godhead" is a FRAUD, use Greek lexicon of Colossians 2:9 to confirm it.

** Finally,
Revelation 3:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar
in the temple of my God, and he shall go no
more out: and I will write upon him the
name of my God, and the name of the city of
my God, which is new Jerusalem, which
cometh down out of heaven from my God:"


Come and twist Revelation 3:12......

Peter called Him ,Lord, did He reject it ? why did the Jews wanted to stone Him ? the people He was delivering His message to understand what He mean, they just don't believed in Him just like you.