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shadeyinka:
They are used to being on the offensive against Christians without looking deeply into their own claims. Usually, they would have gone to atheists websites to find ready answers but I guess this time, the answers seem not available.

Unfortunately, the average Atheist read and seek for knowledge far much more than the average Christian and this is bad. A Christian shouldn't read only the bible, he should read a little of everything and like that a balanced Christian.

you have said it all.

shadeyinka:
No Sir!
The definition of Atheism is different from the implication of Atheism.

Atheism is the disbelief in the existence of a creator or gods.

The implication of this disbelief (Atheism) is that the universe created itself from NOTHING.
And from my perspective, this is without an iota of verifiable evidence!

they are reinforcing the definition of atheism to suit this argument . thank you as you exposed them.

shadeyinka:
The problem of Atheists is that they want to bring the immaterial God to the Physical Realm.
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indeed, that's were their problem lie. you just say the Right word to the Right person. God bless you.

femi4:
you are off point

the thread is how to avoid major sin. although there is nothing like major sin, God will judge all sin.

I just present the Christian perspectives on how to avoid sin in general,, so how am I off point ?

femi4:
Sin is sin....nothing like "major sin"

Jesus has already solve the problems of sin, the old testament law lay the ground work." THOU SHALL NOT KILL" what causes murder ? anger , and Jesus say.

Matthew 5:22
But I tell you that anyone who is ANGRY with a
brother or sister will be subject to judgment.
Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister,
'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone
who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the
fire of hell...

what causes adultery ? LUST, again Jesus solve the problem:Jesus say ....

Matthew 5:28.

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a
woman LUSTFULLY has already committed
adultery with her in his heart.

shadeyinka:
Militant and with a caustic heart spewing out exactly how he is on the inside.

I have received insult from them, I just learn to keep my head up. hey, you are a good man , I love your contributions here. I believe God love you more . thanks man.

shadeyinka:
Is this what Atheism has turned you into? A person who doesn't have the qualities of a gentleman! SMH.
One can disagree without being offensive!

a militant atheist.

wow, so some atheists is even ashamed of what they stand for ?

Janosky:
@1)
"God the Father is greater than I am."
If Jesus were not Himself God, how could He compare Himself with the Father?

Pls, where did Jesus compare himself with his Father?


2)
John17:24, the Father had "given Jesus glory before the creation of the world."
He was GIVEN the glory. Jesus no get ownership of it before he it was GIVEN to him..


@3)
"NATURE", that word dey confuse you..
Jesus is still INFERIOR to his Father in the spiritual realm. No equality at all. Rev 3:12.

you are simply confused. do you ( Janosky) can say God is greater than you ? what does that imply ? every sane man knows that God is greater than him, you don't need me to tell you that.

Jesus share the Glory with God at the creation event, the world was made through Him ( Word)

Janosky:
I quoted John10:33,36 ,which that lying fellow estimated as "sin", did you reprimand him?

the Bible make it clear that Jesus is the blameless Lamb. A perfect sacrifice for sinful world

Janosky:
Lols.....

malvisguy your pretense here speaks volumes.
Why cherry pick my statement when you cannot prove Jesus "sin" in John 10:33,36.

Lols.....

you are a smart devil. look who is rebuking someone in the name of JESUS CHRIST. you still blasphemy His name. smh

shadeyinka:
Indeed, they have a blind heart. Seeing yet blind. Atheism is a dangerous kind of Faith: unfortunately they break every rule of common sense, they violate every major rule of physics and mumuciously faith in some abstract mathematics which can not be verified all in the name of this God of the Christians.

Whatever created the universe MUST be
1. outside the universe
2. Not subject to time
3. Not subject to physical and chemical laws.

They feel it is barbaric to conclude that God is that being. They want to force Him into the rules of physics and chemistry. This is utterly nonsensical!

Shalom my Brother!

to say order came out from nothing is ridiculous. the atheists who believed in this, make a choice to believe it. I believe they make that choice because the lifestyle they want to live has no place for God. If there is a Creator, then there is a God. If there is God, then there is a Judge. If there is a Judge, then there is a judgment. And if there is a judgment, they will have to stand there one day. So they have to try to find a way to write God out of the script.

Shalom. stayed bless.

shadeyinka:
You use the word "we " when describing a scientific submission. Are you really one of the scientists or you believe their report?

Your definition of faith is very wrong. Faith is TRUST in the integrity of a person/personality. If Dangotes gives me a postdated Union Bank check of N40million Naira as a gift; I will immediately start preparing for how to change my life permanently. This is because I trust the integrity of Dangote. He shouldn't default on giving me a gift of ordinary N40million Naira.

Spiritual things are never based on Physical evidence: They are based of personal experience. Subjective in nature.

If you had a dream you are dinner with Donald Trump, that is the truth. The fact that you were in Nigeria on your bed doesn't make you untruthful. The reference is IN YOUR DREAMS not in the Physical.

What is the measurable quantity for the measure of FEAR or LOVE? Are your measurable quantities objective?

If I will summarize your text, I will say that your conclusion is that:
Love is delusional
Fear is delusional
Hate and other emotions are delusional!



An atheist is a person who claims to believe in Empirical and Physical evidence yet believes that
1. Order and systems can come out of NOTHING and
2. Chaos can self organizer into order with no outside influence.
What a contradiction!
I shake my head in amazement!

perfectly said my brother, you put the right word. after saying Faith is delusional she still believed ORDER and CHAOS can come out of NOTHING. smh

indeed God has given them to a reprobate mind...

long time my brother, hope you're good ?

Lovelife433:
ok

The Bible says that in the beginning, God created the
heavens and the earth. That includes everything necessary to feed and provide for its inhabitants. Can anyone deny that the earth is capable of producing more than enough food to feed the entire globe? Well then, if people are starving, whose fault is that? If God
made the earth, is He also supposed to plant and distribute our crops for us? Do you remember the tons of food that were shipped to Ethiopia, but did not reach the starving people who needed it? Whose fault was that?

The reason that over 90% of the masses have barely enough to survive on,is that there is a problem of DISTRIBUTION, not of SUPPLY .A tiny minority have far more than they need, depriving the many.

jesusjnr:
Sorry bro but that saying of Jesus says it all, and perfectly reflects my opinion.

It's not an equation(=), but an inequality(<.

Thank you.

God is NOT bound by some mathematical laws. I could easily say 1×1×1=1.

jesusjnr:
I have never said Jesus is not God, but that Jesus is not God the Father, but God the Son/Word.

God bless.

that will always be the position of the trinitarian, Jesus is the son. not the Father.

Freehuman:
Every pastor in Nigeria is a fake . At the beginning of new year we heard lots of prophecies predictions about election, herdsmen crises and economic meltdown because even a secondary school student who reads daily news can make such predictions.

I never heard any of these pastors prophecy about xenophobia which has been the worst external crises to hit us this year.

Daddy GO runs his conglomerate and has his children as his successors. He receives bank alerts and invitation from politicians because they know that without the influence of religion , the people would have been brave to seek a better life for themselves on earth rather than false hope in a paradise.

not everything God revealed, He does things His own way. do you know that if God revealed to Moses that there is red sea in your way, Moses wouldn't have cross the children of Israel ? could it be that this is a SIGN OF REVOLUTION ? I belief God work in a way that we Will say this is ridiculous, but at the end is everlasting JOY

Janosky:
I REBUKE your foul mouth in Jesus name Amen...

you cannot give what you don't have.

jesusjnr:
John 14:28 (KJV)

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

the question I will like to ask you guys, if Jesus is just a man, why will He compare himself with God ? It would be absurd for a mere man to say, "God the Father is greater than I am." If Jesus were not Himself God, how could He compare Himself with the Father? it is blasphemous for a creation to compared himself with the creator.

the Bible made it clear that when Christ came to earth He laid down His Glory and the splendor that was rightly His and take up the role of a servant.

the Father is greater than I refers to Jesus in His Messianic office, not to the essential nature of the Godhead. being greater than your son do NOT mean that your son is less human. the comparison is refer to POSITION and not NATURE . It was Christ owning His place as Servant, and magnifying the One ( GREATER IN POSITION) who had sent Him.

1 John 4:18-21
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts
out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and
whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
We love because he first loved us. If anyone
says, “I love God,” AND HATE HIS BROTHER, he is a
liar; for he who does not love his brother whom
he has seen cannot love God whom he has not
seen. And this commandment we have from him:
whoever loves God must also love his brother.

If the white abuse the black with racism, we Will cry foul, pretend to love each other, but here, we are killing each other, how can we fight racism when we do not love ourselves ?

TheSourcerer:
well to some extent yeah I only didn't read because of the biblical quotes I saw,

that's the different between light and darkness.

TheSourcerer:
too long a comment

could it be that buhari is right to the youth lazy ?

TheSourcerer:
Not Surprised, everything is supported on this book just find a verse and paraphrase with gullible minds, and bam! It's supported by the good book

you and the South African man problem is BIBLICAL ILLITERACY. Deuteronomy 28 and the context is about COURSE AND BLESSING. the part the south African man quote is the part of cursed and it is for people like you who IGNORED the commandment of God, Read verse 45:

45 All these curses will
come on you. They will pursue you and
overtake you until you are destroyed,
because you did NOT OBEY the LORD your
God and OBSERVED THE COMMANDS and
decrees he gave you.

CAPSLOCKED:
IS IT NOT A THING OF SHAME THAT YOUR ALMIGHTY JESUS, ONLY SON OF AN ALMIGHTY GOD, WAS SO HUNGRY AND FRUSTRATED THAT HE HAD TO "CURSE" AN INNOCENT TREE CREATED BY HIS FATHER, FOR NOT HAVING FRIUT EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T FRUITING SEASON?

IS THIS A SIGN OF GOOD LEADERSHIP? IS SUCH A CHARACTER AND PERSONALITY WORTHY TO BE EMULATED?

WHAT JESUS DID IS EQUAL TO CURSING A WOMAN TO DIE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO GET PREGNANT DURING HER PERIOD.
WHAT AN ABNORMAL GUY. IF HE HAD THE CHANCE HE WOULD HAVE CURSED THE SUN FOR REFUSING TO SHINE AT NIGHT.

GOOD THING HIS MATES IN GOLGOTHA PUT HIM AWAY ONCE AND FOR ALL. GOOD RIDDANCE.

lol . so atheists has emotional feeling for trees too ? that's Good to know.

blueAgent:
First am not a Jehovah witness.
secondly
what does the word Godhead mean
and can it be used in place of the word
Trinity? The fact is there is no
relationship with the Trinity and the word
Godhead at all as you are about to find
out. Godhead refers to God the Father.
And making this issue a little more
confusing, Godhead is often a word used
by those with the non-Trinitarian truth
for lack of a better word to use in
opposition to the word Trinity.
More and more Trinitarians are using the
word Godhead in place of Trinity
thinking that changes what it is. But
calling the Trinity by another name will
never change what it is. You can call a
cat a dog but it will still be a cat. And
you can call the Trinity the Godhead but
it will still be the Trinity!
The word Godhead is found in 3 verses
in the King James Bible which are
translated from three different Greek
words that have slightly different
meanings but all basically mean the
same thing.
In Acts 17:29 the Greek word translated
Godhead is “theios” (G2304) and means
to be godlike and hence divine.
Acts 17:29 KJV “Forasmuch then as we
are the offspring of God, we ought not to
think that the Godhead is like unto gold,
or silver, or stone, graven by art and
man's device. ”
The same Greek word is used in the
verse below but has been translated to
the word “divine.”
2 Peter 1:3 KJV “According as his divine
power has given unto us all things that
pertain unto life and godliness, through
the knowledge of him that has called us
to glory and virtue: ”
In Romans 1:20 the Greek word
translated Godhead is
“theiotēs” (G2305) and refers to the
divine nature.
Romans 1:20 KJV “For the invisible
things of him from the creation of the
world are clearly seen, being understood
by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead ; so that they
are without excuse: ”
And in Colossians 2:9 the Greek word
translated Godhead is “theotēs” (G2320)
and means deity as in the state of being
God.
Colossians 2:9 KJV “For in him dwelleth
all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ”
So the word Godhead speaks of the
“Divine nature” of the Father which has
been given to the Son and hence is in
the Son as we find in Colossians 2:9
above. Thus Jesus being the firstborn
over all creation (Colossians 1:15 ), and
being brought forth from the Father, He
has the same “Divine nature” as His
Father.
Colossians 1:19 KJV “For it pleased the
Father that in him should all fulness
dwell;”
Spirit of Prophecy is also very clear
which says. “The Father is all the fullness
of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to
mortal sight. ” — (E.G. White, BTS, March
1, 1906)
And so Christ being the Son receives this
fullness, “He [Christ] was not the Father
but in him dwelt all the fullness of the
Godhead bodily,” — (E.G. White, Lt8a,
July 7, 1890)
John 5:26 also tells us that the Father
gave life to His Son. “For as the Father
has life in himself; so has he given to the
Son to have life in himself. ” John 5:26 . If
Jesus had always existed alongside the
Father as the Trinity doctrine claims,
then God could not have given life to His
Son as He would have always had life.
But Scripture reveals this is impossible.
And so neither does the word Godhead
explain the non-Trinitarian position in
opposition to the word Trinity. It has
been the only real option in lack of a
better word to use for the non-Trinitarian
view.
The Trinity doctrine states that there are
three co-equal (equal in every respect),
co-eternal (the same age), omniscient
(all knowing), omnipotent (all powerful)
gods, who are not three gods, but one
god.
By the words of the Athanasian Creed it
is, “ the Father is God, the Son is God, and
the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are
not three gods but one God. ”
In other words. 1+1+1=1 !
So a 3 in 1 and 1 in 3 god which means
the Father cannot really be a Father and
the Son cannot really be a Son, which
denies the Father and Son which the
apostle John called antichrist. And
hence the Holy Spirit is supposedly a
third god that makes up the one god
rather than being the actual Spirit of the
Father and Son just as we have a spirit.
So the Divine nature of the Father
referring to the ONE true God does not
and cannot equal 3 gods yet alone a 3 in
1 god.
Thus Godhead does NOT equal Trinity in
any way whatsoever! Godhead refers to
God the Father and His Divine nature
which dwells in His Son because Christ
is His Son.
If you ever here any Pastor teaching that
Godhead literally means 3 beings, then
know they do not know Scripture or have
been indoctrinated with the Trinitarian
lie. In the following video we see one
such example with Pastor Doug
Batchelor.
Does

this is not a teaching, this is a philosophy on religion, and your philosophy is very wrong.

blueAgent:
You did not answer my question from the Bible evidence we can deduce that without God Jesus would not have existed

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. 1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee. Hebrews 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

I explained the meaning of begotten for you. why was Isaac address as the only son of Abraham , when Abraham already had Ishmael as the first born ,? stop using English meanings to interprets Bible, it is wrong.

there was NEVER a time Jesus became God, but there was a time He became man. the Father is the head of
Deity; the Son is the one who reveals Deity, while the Holy Spirit carries out the work of Deity. this has always been the position of the trinitarian.

blueAgent:
Simple that's all I want to hear. Do you know that without God, Jesus cannot exist?

am listening. ..

CAPSLOCKED:
HIS FAITH FAILED HIM WHEN HE EXPECTED A FIG TREE TO GIVE HIM FOOD DURING AN OFF-SEASON.

actually His Faith is genuinely proven. He curse the fig tree and in TWO days later the tree dried up. indeed His Faith was proven. thank for bringing this up here.

Janosky:
Why you dey LIE and deceive yourself?
When Malvis says "God is my Father",does Marvin mean that he is "equal with God "?

John 14:28
You have heard how I said to you, I go away, and come again to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I.


John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

John 14:28. 20:17. 10:34-36.
Jesus proved that the Jews were lying.
Marvis pharisee is dubiously passing off the falsehood of unbelieving Jews as truth.

Point of emphasis :
"I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God"
His God is our God, therefore those Jews were lying against Jesus in order to kill him. John 10:34-36.

why do the Jews wanted to kill Him ?

The faith Jesus had was not an absence of knowledge, but was based upon an intimate
knowledge of his Father. We too can gain
knowledge to make our faith richer.

tegafej:
Imagine if it were Americans South Africans are attacking.

All South African businesses In the US would be dead by now.

We don't have a government finally.

lol. if south Africa get mind make them kill ONE COW and see if buhari Will not nuke them.

blueAgent:
This is laughable. for a bill to be signed into law it requires the accent of the president of Nigeria, the speaker of the House and the Senate president now using your logic does it mean they are equal?

hey!!! the father and the Son are Two DISTINCT person, there Role is in the Godhead are different .
The Son is "the express image of His (God’s) person
" ( Heb 1:3), meaning He answers exactly to God’s substance. All that God is He is.

the Jews Jesus had this argument with understand Jesus more than the cult you are defending ( Jehovah witness ) when Jesus address God as his father, this is what they say:
John Chapter 5
18 Therefore the Jews sought the
more to kill him, because he not
only had broken the sabbath, but
said also that God was his Father,
making himself EQUAL WITH GOD.

the Jews understand this verse more than you , unless you want to give heed to seducing doctrines of the devil, which I believed you already do