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plaetton:
The funny thing is that most Christians tend disparage the Catholic church, calling it evil, cult, pagan, idol worship, etc , etc.

They tend to forget one very important fact.
That fact is that the Catholic church is THE CHURCH.

Therefore, if the Catholic church is under indictment for this evil or that sin, then every christian or every Christian belief, doctrine , every Catholic creed, invention and object of veneration including and especially "Jesus Christ" , is a bonafide child of and also represents the evil and the fraud that catholic Catholic church is being accused of.

If the Catholic church is today seen as a giant idol worshiping fraud, then the entire articles of the christian faith that rests upon the virgin birth, the crucifixion, the resurrection and subsequent deification of Jesus,would and should also be seen as the cancerous outgrowths from a Leperous hand.

sir pleatton long time......I've debate with many atheists and its seems most atheists build there atheism on Charles Darwin theory of evolution . do you no that in the early life of Darwin , they practice inbreeding ? and there motto is " survival of the fittest ? Richard Dawkins is a famous atheist and he refuse to condemned bestiality . if the moral stander of this people is questionable what will become of his follower? .

Odingo1:
They should just have Arewa repulic and practice their Islam like Saudi Arabia without hindrance, everytime they are just looking for trouble. Yoruba muslim man trying to please the north and northern muslims dont regard him as a true muslim. What a shame

there is one mosques in kawo, Kaduna state near NDA barrack, a Yoruba and Hausa man started it, later the Hausa man leave the Area leaving the Yoruba man, the rest of the Hausa Muslims forbid the Yoruba man to lead prayer, that how they conspired to drive him

Martinez39:
Put away the synthetic marijuana and you will be fine.

maybe if we die, we will know who is taking this marijuana.

Martinez39:
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God's existence is clearly seen in what He has made. The intricate brilliance of the created order reveals the mind of an infinitely intelligent Designer just as surely as a great work of architecture or a complex piece of technology reveals the mind of its designer.

Apostle Paul, wrote: The anger of God is being revealed from heaven against all the Godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise they became fools 2..

IAmSabrina:
Cc. Seun, hahn, LordReed, CAPSLOCKED, Martinez39, CreepyBlackpool, MJBOLT, HardMirror, MJBOLT, 1Sharon, Dantedasz, HellVictorinho, HappyPagan, Frank317, Hermes019, TheArranger

Let us pray...

Our brains,
Which art in our head,
Treasured be thy name.
Thy reasoning come.
Thy best you can do be done on earth as it is.
Give us this day new insight to help us resolve conflicts and ease pain.
And lead us not into supernatural explanations;
Deliver us from denial of logic.
For thine is the kingdom of reason,
And even though thy powers are limited,
And you're not always glorious,
You are the best evolutionary adaption we have for helping this earth,
Now and forever and ever,
So be it!

all you atheists cannot do without Christians . reprobate mind

sonmvayina:
Sorry to. Say, but you are one of the dumbest person I have conversed with, so how did the people who lived before the time of the supposed jesus communicate with God or know God.. Wisdom is miles away from you...

bro, why angry ? or are we fighting ? ..

Jesus said, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only son so that everyone who believes in him will
not perish but have eternal life."

Jesus came so that each of us could know
and understand God in a personal way. Jesus
alone can bring meaning and purpose to life.

shadeyinka:
I wish you can show me a scripture from any of these gods that I will go to their hell for not following them, then I will believe you.
Otherwise, you've just made a case for how ignorant you are. For your information, I am a Christian. I believe in and serve Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I obey Him (Jehovah ) alone to the exclusion of every and any other gods.

What a lame argument!

Anyways, The ball is in your court!

indeed, our God is a mighty God, mighty in power. thank you for this wonderful post, stay bless.

sonmvayina:
Since, you said God is a spirit, there is a very good possibility that the spirit is Allah or Eledumare or Chukwu, by which case you have lost.. And you will end up in their hell.. Is that a chance you want to take..?

this is were you atheists got it wrong , none of this gods seems to punished sin . in fact Allah even make its easier by saying two good deed can outweigh sin .

it doesn't matter wither you believe in God or not , God will judge ALL sin ......... God exist and Jesus has made Him known to us.

1Sharon:
You don't know history at all.

funny lady. we are not talking history here.

Martinez39:
This is how people fail exams. I asked you a question, why is bestiality bad?

Leviticus 18:23

what's the atheists view on bestiality ?

Martinez39:
Why is bestiality bad? Tell us.

so having canal knowledge with animal is alright ? smh

HardMirror:
and why will they search me? What is the relevance of that info? Also that sounds like a catholic church, i am sure your pentecostal folks have enough to say about your church and how you guys are idol worshippers. So you see my point? Every church has it's own controversy and craziness

am not a Catholic. to be honest most pastor has turn Christianity to laughing stock . there is a difference btw studying a book and
allowing someone read it for you....u will forever
remain a slave to that person who reads for
you..

last time I checked,every believer was never
deprived of the bible in any way...So if some believers worship a minister,it simply means they are zombies who accept whatever the minister or pastor
says without studying to find out wat d bible
says...

2 timothy 2:15 "study to shew thyself approved
unto God...a Workman that needeth not be
ashamed,rightly dividing the word of truth..."

A believer is meant to study the word in order not to
be deceived by dose who claim to be ministers..especially dose who speak as though dey are the only ones who have access to God's number...

there will always be false prophets, teachers and
preachers of the word...they are every where even
in Nigeria...but just the way you have good and bad
people,you will always find both sides of the divide....

the logos which is the word of God will show you the
difference...

in spite of the awesome things Jesus did on
Darth,he never asked his disciples or his
followers to carry him or not let his feet touch the
ground ..on the contrary,he humbly washed the feet of his disciples... just to teach dem the virtues of humility... thank you.

1Sharon:
Abi oo. Eating raw dog is a preference no sin there.

this pastor is not different from Richard Dawkins and Peter Singer who defends the practice of bestiality

HardMirror:
what is the name of your church let's see how sane you guys are.

before you even enter St Luke, soldiers don search you.

what is the name of the church your loves ones attend?

HardMirror:
*Pastor eats raw dog and feeds church members with the raw meat.


Pastor feeds church members with raw life snake.


Pastor rides church members like donkeys


Church were they drink beer and get high during church service in ogun state.

Pastor asks church members to eat grass.

Pastor grabs the breasts of church member to deliver them.

ETC.

These are real threads that have been on the front page of nairaland and guess what? You see comments like this



This is a very funny comment, after comparing africans to china, he went on to still call on God to save us. Is that how china was praying to get to where they are today?


I read comments from nairalanders and i cant but shake my head because they think their own version of christianity is good.

Your christianity is as insane as that of those you are condemning.

Dont you eat bread and wine and call it the body and blood of Jesus? Is that not insanity?

Dont you speak in tongues? Is that not insanity?

You believe moses was a man of god despite his Jihads and you think muhammed is not a man of god? Lol

You are all crazy.

so just because a father married his own biological daughter mean all fathers are heartless ?

BeLookingIDIOT:
OK...but when saved are they to are never but in to be gone?

I don't understand your question

budaatum:
Thank you. Calvinistic predestination is what I understood Ihedinobi3 to be proposing, and which I felt he could not resolve with his very own use of freewill. Both stand paradoxical to each other, is my understanding. But rather than fleshing it out he.........

yes, the truth is that God will is for everyone to believe, but is not that if God will everyone to believe then its is impossible not to believe . we still have the choice to reject for example in Matthew 23:37, Jesus laments over Jerusalem. He was certainly willing for them to be saved, but they were not.

budaatum:
The word predestined is clearly there. And if you read my response to Ihedinobi3, you'd read where I said "There is a way they do fit". But the above to me cannot mean some are specifically predestined to accept Christ and go to heaven and some are predestined not to and go to hell. If that were the case then everyone just better accept their lot and those who do accept Christ should not bother preaching to those who are already predestined by God to go to hell. My own view is that accepting Christ or not is a personal choice that everyone makes with the it own freewill regardless of what Paul's view is to the Romans. Paul, after all is not the Almighty God
Let me know what you think please.

yes, The scripture teaches predestination, but not Calvinistic
Predestination. it is the character of the save God predetermined and not the identity of the saved.


What is foreknown by God in these verse?Personal identity? Or Character, purpose & plan ?.

Ephesians 1:3-4, "Blessed be the God
and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who
hath blessed us with all spiritual
blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as he hath CHOSEN US IN HIM
BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, that
we should be HOLY AND WITHOUT BLAME
before him in love:

Here, the verse is talking about the Nature of the save (character ) that they should be blameless .

1 Timothy 4:10, "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of ALL MEN , specially of THOSE THAT BELIEVE ."

You see, salvation is conditional. Christ died for
all men, but not all believe and accept His gift
of salvation.

budaatum:
Predetermination. The verb predetermine means "determine in advance," like when you predetermine how much money you will spend on your friend's birthday present to make shopping easier. Predetermine comes from the Latin word praedeterminare, from prae, meaning “beforehand,” and determinare, meaning “limit, settle.”

Both Predestination and Determinism posit that the future is inexorably locked into place. Predestination posits that God has determined all that will happen. ... The only difference is that determinism allows for randomness. Determinism implies that events are caused but those events are not sequentially fixed.

if I may ask , what was predestined in this verse ?

Romans 8:29-30, "For whom he did
foreknow, he also did PREDESTINED TO BE CONFORM TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON, that
he might be the firstborn among many
brethren. Moreover whom he did
predestinate, them he also called: and
whom he called, them he also justified:
and whom he justified, them he also
glorified."
Thus, as in the next passage (Ephesians 1), it was God's eternal plan that we become His children through Christ. not some or few, BUT ALL become His children through Christ. the verse is talking about Christ assembly and not selected individuals.

IAmSabrina:
Romans 8: 28-30
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Proverbs 16:4
The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.

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God pre-determined, not the IDENTITY of the saved, but the CHARACTER of the saved. unconditional election make the save no ENEMY of Satan, so if predestined, why beware?

Romans 8:28-30, "And we know that all things work together for good TO THEM THAT LOVE GOD , to them who are THE CALLED ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE.For whom he did foreknow, he also predestinate TO BE CONFORM TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON , that he might be the firstborn among many
brethren. Moreover whom he predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also
justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

1. Who is under consideration here? "Them that love God" not a few whom God loves
2.The called according to His purpose," we are not called by a still, mysterious voice or by a direct operation of the Holy Spirit or by God Himself, but by the gospel (2 Thessalonians 2:14).
3.Those who hear, believe and respond in obedience are referred to as "the called" (Galatians 1:6; 1 Peter 2:9).
4.In Romans 8:28-30, we can see the unfolding of God's plan. God determined to send mankind a Savior to die for all men.
5.He foreordained all of the events before they actually took place.
6.In that sense, God predestinated our salvation. It was not that He selected us individually to be saved or lost, but that those who accepted the gospel call
would be saved.
7.Those who answer that call are justified and glorified.

[quote author= post=76806226]May all the evil politicians and any groups supporting killings and all other heinous crimes in this nation NEVER go unpunished.
May their end be TERRIBLE.
No matter the party they are......along with their family members and supporters.
SO SHALL IT BE!![/quote]do you know that you just pray for the downfall of a party you supported ? our God never sleep , He will never forsake us here in Kaduna. mark my word.

eazigbo:
My brother, I have prayed, fasted. But nothing is working.

its is either you curse God and find solution to your problem or stop complaining and be patience for God to do what He loves to do. the choice is yours.

hahn:
What Bible passage?

OK

hahn:
How old was Mary when Jehovah impregnated her?

Bible passage

johnydon22:
You seem to not be understanding the problem here, the premise here is the basis of morality.

Of course neither rekinomtla nor I think pedophilia is ok, we are simply saying that for someone who thinks morality is relative across societies and time, you can't apply your moral conclusions on a different time/society unless it is not relative after all.

I would've love the Muslim guy to reply me, he is a Muslim and there are lot of question I would love to ask.

rekinomtla:
No, I would not do that. But I also would not criticise anyone on moral grounds if I was a moral relativist.

it's is either you support or you are against it.

johnydon22:
Read what i said again.

I understand you bro. but what the Muslim guy wrote is another excuse to justify under age marriage .

rekinomtla:
How are atheists criticizing aisha marriage when they believe society is the source of morality? If the marriage was normal and accepted by the society back then, then the atheist has no valid objections. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either morality is relative/subjective or it is not.

back then the people accepted it and it was there culture. how about now ? is this culture good ? would you give your daughter hand in marriage to an old man just because the Quran say it alright ?

Rilwayne001:
Your mumu never do?

You've totally veered off the main point as usual.
5years on, you still lack comprehension. SMH

would you give your daughter hand in marriage to a 90 years old man just because Muhammad did same ?

johnydon22:
You did not really answer his question bro.

READ IT AGAIN

so atheists cannot condemn a society were the people eat human flesh just because there culture support it ?

johnydon22:
I actually agree with him. An atheist or someone with secular moral background has no basis to morally condemn that

so there is nothing wrong if a 90 years old man get marry to a 9 years old girl just because some community say its okay ? the Holocaust is good because the Nazi German benefit from it, at least they reduce the population of the Jews. smh