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rekinomtla:
How are atheists criticizing aisha marriage when they believe society is the source of morality? If the marriage was normal and accepted by the society back then, then the atheist has no valid objections. You can't have your cake and eat it too, either morality is relative/subjective or it is not.

Itoosabi:
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Oway confusion have started. When they were declaring buhari as the winner you people were jumping up you were rejoicing ..... now the time has come everybody now voted for atiku no wahala . Ntoooor

malvisguy212:
In the Gospels, a rich, young man approached Jesus and said to him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus gave the infamous reply,“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.” This story is
found in Matthew, Mark, and Luke; critics of Jesus’ claims to deity often use it as ammunition in their case for a non-
divine Jesus. It seems, they argue, that
Jesus is denying deity here by refusing
the title ‘GOOD’ as it is something reserved solely for God. I contend that even a surface-level reading of this narrative does not even remotely support that conclusion.
I don’t see how Jesus’ clarification of
God’s nature is equivalent to him
denying deity. This is akin to someone
coming to me and calling me, “Dr. Paul.” I respond by saying, “Why do you call me
doctor? No man can be a doctor, only he
who holds a doctorate.”

I can either mean one of two things:

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I do not hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am not a doctor.


or…

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am a doctor.

By asking “Why do you call me doctor?”,
am I denying my title? Of course not. I
am simply clarifying what the title
means. I am neither validating nor
rejecting the title. In any case, I don’t
have a doctorate (yet!) but the point still
stands.

You can see how such reasoning is
completely absurd, and yet this is what
we see when critics use Jesus’ words in
this passage to try to show his non deity. Having said all of that, let’s have another look at what Jesus said in this passage.

He only said two statements:

1. Why do you call me good?
2. No one is good except God

The only piece of information that Jesus
gave is this: No one is good but God.
There are 2 ways to understand his
statement:

1. Only God is good.
2. I am not good.
3. Therefore, I am not God.

or

1. Only God is good.
2. I am good.
3. Therefore, I am God.

In this specific instance, from these
words alone, Jesus does make known to
us which of these he meant. It is both
ignorant and presumptive of anyone to
use this passage, alone, to argue for
Jesus’ non-deity. Why should the first
reading be the desirable one over the
second reading? Jesus’ statement that
only God is good does not, itself, tell us
whether he was affirming or denying
being God.

But if we keep reading, we find that
Jesus sheds some light on what he
meant. Jesus answers the man’s original
question about obtaining eternal life
with this“You know the commandments:

‘You shall not murder, you shall not
commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.'”

The man responds :”Teacher, I have kept all of these since I was a boy.”

Then Jesus finishes with: “One thing you
lack. Go, sell everything you have then
come, follow me.”

To summarize: In response to the man’s
question, “What must I do to gain eternal life?”, Jesus responds by telling him to
follow the commandments. But which
commandments does Jesus list?
Notice that Jesus only lists the
commandments that dealt with civil
affairs. The Ten Commandments of
Moses were divided into 2 parts: Laws on
dealing with God and Laws on dealing
with others. Respectively, these were the
moral and civil laws. Jesus names the
civil law for the young man and the
young man responds like any good Jew
would, These I have kept since I was
young.” The man was doing great on
keeping the civil law, but not so much
with the moral law. Instead of then
quoting the first four commandments to
the young man,the commandments that
dealt with man’s relationship with God, Jesus told the young man, “Sell your
possessions and follow me.” In other
words, “Your god is your money. Get rid
of that and follow me.” Jesus is equating
obeying the moral law with following
himself. The manner in which men can
obtain eternal life is by getting rid of the
false gods in their lives and following
Jesus , replacing them with him!
This claim is monumental! And it gives us
an answer to our initial dilemma. Did
Jesus deny or affirm his deity in asking,
“Why do you call me good?” I think the
answer is clear in light of the rest of that
conversation with the young man. Jesus
equated following himself with keeping
the moral law and obeying the
commandments that governed man’s
relationship with God. Thus, in bringing
up this passage as ammunition for a
non-divine Jesus, the critic shoots
himself in the foot by bringing to the
table a text in which Jesus clearly claims
deity.

malvisguy212:
Lalasticlala,

shadeyinka:
I must confess it started with a bias: I was born in a Christian home and I believe in life after life

However, in my 200Ls I almost recited the shahada (became a Moslem). It was the Qur'an that led me back to Christ because of some inconsistencies I found.

Initially, my logics before I knew Christ was this:
Only three religions in the world were strictly monotheistic.
Two dealt with the issue of resurrection and reward for deeds on earth.
Judaism and Christianity shared the same God with Christianity.
Mohammed seemed to impose the nature of Jehovah on Allah.
The contradiction between the quran with respect to the Torah and New Testament was significant.
Allah could not be the same as Jehovah

Were these sufficient reasons?

Probably not. But it led me in the right direction.

I rededicated my life to Christ AND I began to grow in the spirit and in the knowledge of Him. I try to please God as my Father

BUT sometimes I fail miserably (I misbehave as a Christian). I stand up from my failure and move on knowing that He loves me in spite of my frailties.

I know Him. I only wish I can love Him more than this.

For those who never heard of Him, (eg Hindus), they will be judged according to their pure conscience. For those who reject Him, they've made their choice.

shadeyinka:
Time isn't a creation!
Time resulted because of the physical world. It's simply the interval/duration of wait between two physical events.

Like the car manufacturer didn't create speed: speed is a result of the creation of a vehicle that moves


Nothing is a "Proof of God"!

I believe you define quails as :
Individual instances of subjective, conscious experience.

We all have subjective experiences such as intuition, trance, dejavus, sometimes vision and even auditory.

To me, it's an evidence that perception may not just exist using our 5 senses. Maybe we have other senses other than this.

Like:
How does a chicken know it should brood on her eggs?
How do they figure out how to mate?
How do some animals use the earth's magnetic field to navigate?



Yes!

The only problem is that we (humans) can only measure cause and effect relative to our universe. We don't have any yardstick to describe what happened before the big bang.



This is an interesting question.
BUT
Just slow down a little and you'll understand.

Time is a measure of interval between two or more physical events. The physical universe happened at the big bang time T=0 and it started from a pin point and the universe is still expanding today.

Now, time isn't absolute: it's a measure of interval between physical events where the starting point is always T=0 and ending at any further time later. Like a track race is always measured from time T=0

In other words, if you can set a reference time before the big bang, you can measure times before the universe.

God predates our time T=0 and that is why He could be the cause of the Universe

Dannyset:
I am not sorry to say it, the self acclaimed Pastor is drunk on Adamawa gin

sherylbakky:
Wow, tnx for this...with people like u, d world cud b a better place.

Really appreciate dis, thank u....kudos.


@zainabhamzat20, tnx for dis post too, do u know I'v bn wondering abt d fajr time dreams too? Cos I use to av meaningful dreams around dat time a lot...but dat last past of malvisguy212 have always bn keeping me going after praying abt d dream. I think d best tin is just to pray n relax ur mind ...Allah knows best

Zainabhamzat20:
Wow Thank you for sharing this beautiful knowledge with me brother, God bless you.

GreatResearcher:
They are not atheists

Ihedinobi3:
No, atheism is the craziest and the most absurd religion. It upholds the worship of an amorphous God, which one day is science, another day is the universe, and all the time is the atheist himself.

It takes legitimacy from insane arguments too that ignore reality or try to pretend that reality is something else.

Its adherents are incredible liars who tell obvious lies and appear to not even notice that they do.

LordReed:
*Facepalm*

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LordReed:
The real question is how dumb are you? Did the statement make any attempt to say the father and the son are the same thing? Don't reason like a dishonest ass.

LordReed:
So he, Jesus died? So what really are you contending? He Jesus, also god, died. Nobody cares if his divinity died or not, all we know is the story says he died, ergo the god killed itself. Stop making unnecessary quibbles.

Horiolah:
To wish for a good afterlife is great.

You can live your life pleasing another man's imaginary friend and watch life pass you by.

LordReed:
I don't believe a god exists either but it doesn't mean I have a problem with it, it just means I think its a myth.

LordReed:
I have no such problem.

LordReed:
What question?

Horiolah:
He's gonna burn your ass if you go against his commands, that's what I meant... Oh and there are tons of qoute in the Bible on that.


I'm not an atheist so stfu abt that. I think their is a God but I'm nt sure. Nt d one in the Bible nd Quran tho.

Horiolah:
My parent don't condemn me to eternal torture when I disobey them because they LOVE me. But that can't be said for your God.

If God is to be fair, he should give us personal confirmation himself, just like he gave Adam and Eve.

You claim Jesus died for me, Muslims are saying otherwise. Who tf should I believe??

LordReed:
LoL! Stop trying to be too clever by half. The bible does not say the god killed itself, it says the god offered Jesus who is also god as a sacrifice for sin, it doesn't take a genius to see the connection between that and the god killed itself.

Horiolah:
Why can't he just wipe out evil? I didn't even asked to be born, yet years later you're telling me God had died for my sin, something I didn't even commit. Did I eat the apple??

Horiolah:
Dude said God can't DIE. He then said, "God took on human flesh to suffer and DIE".

LordReed:
Ok so Jesus is not the god then? So the Bible lied when it said the word was god? The same word that was made flesh?

ponziponzi:
So, the God that created the whole universe and who is omniscience does not know that killing a person by stoning them to death for not being a virgin is cruel? It had to take the intervention of mortal beings to stop the barbaric act.

BTW, it is still happening in some part of the world for religious purpose. It beats me how people will choose to use the morals of some semi-illiterate goat herder (2000-5000 years ago) to live in this 21st century.

ponziponzi:
And you think stoning someone to death for not being a virgin is a fair enough punishment? Just imagine if this person is your daughter, sister or mother, just imagine the agony before death. Religion can really make a sane person justify unimaginably wicked things.

GreatResearcher:
why has grace not supersede paying of tithes? Mention one person dat paid tithes during jesus time

GreatResearcher:
what a loving jesus