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shadeyinka:
You hit it on the head bro!

They want us to accept the Qur'anic version of the story without question and reject the bible version also without a question.

It is certain that one of the two scriptures lead to hell. One would be foolish refusing to question them.

I'll be looking forward to your write-up!

thank you bro. renamed bless

Rilwayne001:
Malvis have always been a shakushaku

Empiree be like : write long post and claimed I've answer you.

aadoiza:
So when Abraham was thrown into the fire and an angel appeared and offered to help, who was the witness then? I think this is also one of the mind-boggling miracles recorded in the Qur'an. Like in the Jesus case, they were witnesses but none of whom really knows what transpired.
There's a reason religions are faith based and that's largely due to the fact that they work with beliefs. If God is so concerned about proofs we'll all know his location, won't we? He may choose to give us clues or provide clear proofs or leave us dumbfounded. He does as he wills

The Bible is not simply one book compiled by one man as the Muslims claim for their Qur’an, but a compilation of 66 books, written by more than 40 authors, over a period of 1500 years! The Bible is “THE WORD OF GOD IN THE WORD OF MEN”. This means that God utilized the culture and
conventions of his penman’s ,God controls in His
sovereign providence. Thus history must be treated
as history, poetry as poetry, hyperbole and metaphor as hyperbole and metaphor, generalization and
approximation as what they are, and so forth.

PROPHET WITHOUT PROVED?
Left unsaid is the glaring irony that the claim for the sent down revelation for the Qur’an comes from one source alone, the man to which it was supposedly revealed, Muhammad. Yet there are no external witnesses both before or at the time who can corroborate Muhammad’s testimony. Not even miracles are provided to substantiate his claims, nor are there any known documents of such a Qur’an from the century in which it is claimed to have been revealed.

shadeyinka:
Their blindness is of a total nature.

A Crucified person is killed completely naked on the cross.
Nails are driven through the heel bones (not the feet as normally depicted) so that if the person was even brought down from the cross immediately, he is never going vto be able to walk normally again.

What do Christians stand to gain that their master was Crucified stark naked on the cross? Don't they have more to gain by boasting to the Jews "you wanted to kill Jesus, but you killed the wrong person: Jesus escaped"

Josephus the Jewish Historian wrote about the Crucifixion of Jesus. The Romans testified about it. Yet 600 years later, Mohammed didn't decided to rewrite HISTORY by a fiat and no single iota of Evidence!

those witness that are more closer to the historical situation than Muhammad, reported that Jesus was crucified, These witnesses include
non-Christian historians who had no motive to fabricate Christ's death.

if there is a question mark about the crucifixion . wither Jesus died on the cross or he did not die, it would have been eagerly disputed wherever the early christians preached. But it wasn't. The fact of his death by crucifixion was not questioned.

the disciples died a terrible death, and the main reason of there death is because they preach the crucifixion, now the question is,if the crucifixion is a myth created by this same disciples, would they give their life for a myth they created ?

me think this Muslim need to question the identity of Allah. I am planning of creating a thread about this, very revealing.

come to think of it, why will the first Christians who are almost all Jews fabricate the death of Jesus ? the early Christians has nothing to gain for preaching the crucifixion in fact it will make the task harder, it will be very difficult to spread Christianity, why did I say this ? see, the most brutal death a criminal can get is dying on the cross. Crucifixion was an obscene form of torture and execution reserved for despised criminals.

will it be pleasant to the heathen Jews to accept the apostles message of redemption, knowing how Jesus died a shameful death ? if the apostles want to fabricate lies, they will made a more easier lie that the Jews and gentle will accept.

1 Corinthians 1:23
23 but we preach Christ crucified, a
stumbling block to Jews and folly to
Gentiles,

It was not to the advantage of Christians to concoct a crucified Messiah.it made their life and mission much harder.

aadoiza:
This is absolute balderdash!!!
Neither Empiree nor any other Muslim is a witness here. Allah is the witness and only he knows if were others.

No!!! this is not God of the Bible. did you know that from the time of Abraham down to Jesus , who ever God reveal Himself to , there will always be a WITNESS? God reveal himself to Abraham and Isaac confirmed it, He reveal himself to Isaac and Jacob confirmed it, and to Jacob , Joseph confirmed it. that's how the chains continued down to Jesus. God will NEVER ASK US TO BELIEVED WITHOUT PROVE, in fact the Bible advice us to test every spirit to know if they are from God.

lovemoi2:
Lol i no need to mark your word
I be nigerian with france and american passport
France wey i dey at the moment.. people no dey go church here them dey use common sense

Naija politicians and some so called pastors are notting but intelligent scamers

They are aware that poverty makes people very ignorant and slave minded

Believe what you want to believe at your own peril

the Bible say "when the son of man come, will he find faith on earth ?" The end of your faith is when you begin doubting the Word of God, and it stops
carrying authority in your life. The end of your faith is when you no longer live by the Word of God. Multitudes of professing Christians in the church system today have departed from the real faith.

Falsehood is increasing at an alarming rate in our land. The true word of the Lord is becoming rare, and there is a famine of it.


Again I repeat " when the son of man come will he find faith on earth ?" LUKE 18:8 THANK YOU.

lovemoi2:
Lol naija naija
*Mission with private jet
*Suffering and calling non relatives daddy or mummy

* hungry man fighting for politicians or pastors on the street
* claiming a multi million naira building built in the name of their pastors registered with ( CAC http://new.cac.gov.ng/home/registration-steps/) is their church eg " our church"

Like say them put their name too

like it or not, the Church will prevailed, the future is bright, in years to come the Church will be involved in almost 80% of Nigeria employment , the church will have Dominion over Nigeria and this will make the plan to islamized Nigeria difficult. it will come to an era were ALL pastor will fly in private jet, I declared it in the mighty NAME OF JESUS. here in Kaduna do you know how many soldiers the Church has taken to India ? soldiers with no hands and lags, if my tithe IS sufficient to ROF a Church, so be it. THE CHURCH WILL PREVAILED BY HIS GRACE. Mark my word

Surah 32:13:
“If We had so willed, We could certainly have
brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word
from Me will come true, “I will fill Hell with Jinns
and mankind all together.” (Yusuf Ali)

The above Qur'anic verse reveals that Allah deliberately holds back guidance for the sole pleasure of filling Hell with mankind (and Jinns).

Rashduct4luv:
The encounter Paul had can be with an evil spirit too you know? How many of his companion recognise Jesus' voice to know it was Jesus talking? abi Jesus get one special kind of light wey dm recognise?

If you can believe this above stop criticising Islam.

Moreover, it is established that angel Gabriel appeared to Mary and told her she will give birth to Jesus. No one asked for proof of this in Christianity as no one saw it happen.

Conclusion:

Angel Gabriel appeared to messengers of Allah as He Pleases. From Moses, Abraham,.....Muhammad.

Jesus appeared to Paul and Ananias confirmed it the same Jesus appeared to Ananias and commanded him to baptized Paul .

now, who confirmed the encounter Muhammad had with the angel Gabriel ?

Rashduct4luv:
hypocrisy at its peak!

If you can believe Saul the prosecutor can became Paul the apostle by mere "light shining and some spoken words" but you refuse to believe in the revelation of Islam.

You have nothing to say please.

Paul had an encounter with Jesus and his compatriot bear witness , Muhammad claim to have seen the Angel Gabriel but who confirmed it ? note please , Muhammad never speak directly with Allah unless through this angel. how can we confirmed what he saw is the angel Gabriel and not Satan ?

MrBrownJay1:
Again bro.... I ami not some 10yr old immature scared little Child to be threatening people online with gullible rubbish... That's YOU, not me. I don't need to threaten/ curse people because I ain't scared of any of you. i am giving you REALITY, take it or leave it. You can write/say or curse anything you want about me, I DONT GIVE A DAMN. I have a brain, I fully make use of it since I could walk, and thanks to said brain, nothing you or any of your deluded fellow xtian sheep says affects me.

You people are some of the biggest selfish hypocrite on this earth. Here you are claiming to be a religion of love and peace, where your own holy book tells you to be kind to others regardless of who/what they are... But as soon as someone doesn't want to join your rubbish sect, and desire to live a different lifestyle, here you are turning evil against them and cursing people. If that is what you call "religion/Christianity", then NO sir, I want NOTHING to do with this garbage deluded sect of yours.



I do NOT care what causes more harm than RELIGION, as this ain't the point. The main point IS: why do you xtians have so much HATE for people who don't believe in your mambo jambo?! Open your bloody eyes and Look around you... Are you really blind to all the harm/damage/killing/ hatred/ suffering that religion brings to this world?! Really?! All the wars/killing/genocides/enslavement on this earth (for centuries) in the name of religion? And you want to now come here, act holier than thou and blame politics as the reason for our society to be as bad as it is?!?! Really?!



this thread is about some xtian deluded sheep wanting to force people (who don't give a damn about her religion) to abide by HER religious rules... Now, pick up you damn holy book and show us where it says that: if someone desires to live their lives the way they see fit, you shouldn't love/accept/let them, and instead you should force them to abide by "your" religious rules, against their will, by any means necessary... And if you can't then you should HATE/CURSE them?!

you are a rebellion child.

Rashduct4luv:
Yet he used Blood Sacrifice to redeem you Christians?

Ironi o! Irony!

600 years later Muhammad came with contradicting account of the gospel , no eye witness, no one to verified his account, he received his revelation in the cave, and you believed his account ? even Muhammad is not sure of his salvation

Rashduct4luv:
Abeg! keep up with your error searching! God's son don die for god's creations' sin!

The temple of God needs blood sacrifice for redemption of sins! No blood no redemption!

bye.

All Muslims for this thread. Let's leave the Christians alone. Make we go prepare for our fasting!

A farmer is in trouble if he yokes an ox and an ass together. These animals pull differently; they do not work well together. Here, the illustration is a believer with an unbeliever, and they also will not pull together because their minds do not work in the same way. God do not want us to be in close association with idols .

sweetrace:
Jesus hated religion. Please read your Bible and you’ll see that. As per the open letter, why is it open? To shame them? If a relationship is not working, the wife has a choice to leave it and move on.

sis, Jesus did NOT hate religion, He revealed the hypocrisy of the religion world. thus true religion is given to the needed and help the helpless.

Rashduct4luv:
Kindly rewrite all this. I hate it more when you quote those letters for me as scriptures.Who are the Corinthians? Are they Nigerians? Abeg?

And to answer you finally! Is it not hypocrisy when you associate paganism to Islam fighting tooth and nail to establish your evidences.

Islam believes in worship Allah only without partners!

But Christianity believes God use His son as a Lamb sacrifice to redeem humans from sin.

An idol worshiper sacrifices animals and even humans to his idol.

Who is close to paganism? He who worship one God or he who serves a three in one God(s)?

isn't it lovely ,God send His only son to die for sin He did not commit ? the redemption of sin has been achieved.

bro. the purpose of this debate has been achieved. Allah made what is sacred to the pagan to be his symbol , meaning his moral standard is questionable
" And what agreement hath the temple of
God with idols?"

MrBrownJay1:
Bro, this thread is about some foolish religious person, looking down at a person who has a baby mama, and sending a message to that said person's mother talking arrant rubbish.... And the reality is that if this person (and you lot) kept your bloody religion to your selves (and let people live their own lives) the world would be a better place.

soon much hatred for religion. But do you know that politics have cause more harm then religion ?

the op is an open latter to a woman who support her son adulterous life , and you, atheist are against the latter ? am disappointed

MrBrownJay1:
Who are atheist hurting?! Your imaginary God?

lol. you are on this thread accusing religion people, not using their brain, and now you are doing worse. go and read the conversation again. so, is it a crime to preach against adultery ?

MrBrownJay1:
Atheism is to let people do whatever they please lol!

alright, no be fight.

do as they like even if they (atheist) hurt someone. I like this exposure.

MrBrownJay1:
The person who wrote the letter is obviously one of them deluded follow-follow gullible sheep that are always sitting 1st row on Sunday, giving all the money they have to them fraudsters in robe.....

so this is what atheism is all about ? to support adultery? am disappointed at you bro.

Rashduct4luv:
Yes, before it was a tradition and it became an act of worship.

Any wrong in that?

2 Corinthians 6:14-17
(KJV)
Be ye not unequally yoked together with
unbelievers: for what fellowship hath
righteousness with unrighteousness? AND WHAT COMMUNION HATH LIGHT AND DARKNESS ?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial?
or what part hath he that believeth with an
infidel? ANS WHAT AGREEMENT HATH THE TEMPLE OF GOD WITH IDOLS? for ye are the temple of the
living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in
them, and walk in them; and I will be their
God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them,
and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and
touch not the unclean thing; and I will
receive you.

IF you cannot see Anything wrong in this then it mean your heart is sealed with hot iron .

by the way is it not against the Quran, associated partner with Allah ?

Rashduct4luv:
Yes. The Pre-Islamic Arabs.

and Allah make this same ritual a symbol of worship to Muslims .

nutarious:
Mostly, Everybody would want to fight for their Faith. But, seriously, when your Faith can't be Verified by Witnesses then we can conclude on the Truthfulness of such faith.


The Question is really hard to answer for any Muslim, either answers will produce a problem that will affect Allah's Stand. I think instead of long debate here, muslim guys here should take a deep study more.


This is the major script that tries to nolify the Christian Faith and his source and statement is no proof enough.



Lastly, Muslim are taught of the genuity of the Quran, it's repeatedly said several that you almost believe it.

Over 6 Arabic language, different quotes, some even missing, no original manuscript. While it's easy to attack the Bible, the major problem I saw in the Quran has no remedy.

The write up is not intelligent, no order of arrangements, no direct witness according to history.

Lastly, if God waited 600 years to correct a mistake what kind of God is that, now you bring an Arab to solve a Jewish problem.

How can you talk about Jesus when you have already read the books of scripture available to you and In making your suppose correction you added no meaningful Insight order than statement low in value to the Script you call fake. How can an Allah make such mistakes that can easily be questioned as regard to a Conon.


One book has to be lieing and the other telling the truth.


If somebody from my tribe and clan brings a fact about my lineage, it's easy to listen and arque than someone totally from my clan.

How can Muhammad a non Jew correct an history he met and be correct, and the only witness is God.

I think this are logical questions to answer.

perfectly said my sister. bless you

shadeyinka:
Actually, it's easy to conclude that one of the two abrahamic religions of Islam and Christianity is an alternative to the truth.

Islam agrees with every minor thing of the Christian faith that has nothing to do with salvation AND Rejects almost all issues that has to do with salvation.

Example:
Trinity of God
Death of Christ
Resurrection of Christ
Assumption of Christ

Islam even agrees that Jesus is coming back (as a Muslim) to convert all Christians to Muslims, kill the Jews (the pigs) and Kill the Daajjal (Islamic anti-christian).

Gal 1:8-9:
"But if we, or an angel from heaven, proclaim to you as glad tidings any thing different from what we have proclaimed to you, let him be an anathema. As we said before, so I now say again, If any one teach you as glad tidings any thing different from what you have received, let him be anathema."

Now, Mohammed came 600 years after to preach another gospel surely different.

you are correct my brother , this is not a coincidence attack the death of Christ, His resurrection and assumption , including the try-unity of the Godhead. and then Islam agree with every other things in the Bible, this is the plan work of Satan.

Islam even agreed on the virgin birth of Jesus, but it give no reason why Jesus had to be born of a Virgin. may God open there eyes.

shadeyinka:
Watch how he will avoid answering the. Question that require a simple YES or NO with riddles and jokes

he will fill the thread with long post , many hadith, just for a question that required yes or no.

Richdad50:


Take whatever you can from your life because when life starts taking from you, it takes even your last breath.

He lived a short but fulfilled life. He made impact. Some may mock him for being in the Force but a man must die anyway. Be it long from now or sooner, what matters is the name you left behind.

Richdad

bro. good to know you are still here. I thought you've left nairaland. have a blissful weekend .

Rashduct4luv:
It is Sunnah for men to run between the two markers in sa‘i, because this is what was done by the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and the Sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them) after him. The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Learn from me your rituals (of Hajj).” Narrated by Muslim (1297) from Jaabir. Women, however, do not run, because they are required to cover themselves and be modest, and running may expose their bodies and their charms.

The reason why men run between Safa and Marwa – as was mentioned by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) – is that in this place there was a valley, i.e., a channel for rainwater, and a valley is usually steep and sandy, so it is difficult to walk normally in it, so one has to run. The purpose behind sa‘i is to remember the story of the mother of Ismaa‘eel: when Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) left her (may Allah be pleased with her) and her son in this place, and he left a skin of water and a bag of dates with her; the mother began to eat the dates and drink the water, and she breastfed her son. Then the water and dates ran out, so she became hungry and thirsty, and her milk dried up. The infant became hungry, and began to cry with hunger. She found herself in a difficult position. She saw that the nearest mountain to her was as-Safa, so she went to as-Safa and began to listen out in the hope that she would hear someone, but she heard no one. So she came and headed the other way, towards al-Marwah. When she came down to the bottom of the valley, she could no longer see her son, so she started running fast, until she climbed up so that she could see her son. She climbed up to listen out from al-Marwah, but she did not hear anything. She continued like this until she had done this seven times. Then she heard a sound, but she did not know what it was. Then she saw that Jibreel had come down by Allah’s command, and he struck the ground with his wing or his foot in the place where Zamzam is now…

End quote.

See: ash-Sharh al-Mumti‘ (7/269)

And Allah knows best.

So it is traced by to the Prophet Ibrahim and his family.

OK. let me ask you a question. before Muhammad bring Islam to the Arab. the pagan go round the hill ( As-Safa and Al-Marwah ). yes or no. ?

aadoiza:
I will continue saying you be olodo, and you should not take it as an offence 'cos you really are. Shey na those your favoured pagans build the stone?

so you know more than the translator of the hadith? what is sacrad to the pagan has become the symbol of Allah , I ask for explanation and you are insulting me ? or is it a bad thing to ask question ?














ooh sorry , I forgot, question is forbidden in Islam.

“O you who believe! Ask not about
things which, if made plain to you, may
cause you trouble.

aadoiza:
Why are you shifting goalpost again? Abi you no see the emboldened? At least now, you should see why I called you people olodo rapata

the simple question I ask is, how come what is sacred to the pagan has become the symbol of Allah ?

aadoiza:
The main problem you Christians have got is you actually do but know God. I doubt if there's a statement like "if you don't know me how I can you worship me". May be the biblical documentation passed to you is inadequate, or your money-driven pastors are riding like animals

money driven pastor right? that's what I love to here. in few years to come Christianity will be involve in almost 70% of Nigeria employed youth , Christianity will put Nigeria in world map on a Good reason, look at cannan land (living faith) cannan land is like another country, 24 hour electricity and many more . do you know how many youth the church has taken of the street ? just like the book of Genesis say, we will have dominion over the Land, what TB Joshua has done to the poor, NONE of your imam can do it, only to benefit from the government.

Rashduct4luv:
Al-Bukhārī reports that ʿUmar – Allāh be pleased with him – came to the Black Stone (performing ṭawāf, circumambulation), kissed it, and said, “I know that you are a stone, you do not cause benefit or harm; and if it were not that I had seen Allāh’s Messenger – peace and blessings of Allāh be upon him – kiss you, I would never have kissed you.”

Al-Bukhārī, Al-Ṣaḥīḥ, Chapter on what has been said about the Black Stone.

Points to note

· The illustrious Companion and Caliph ʿUmar reminded us in this narration of the pure belief that benefit and harm are not caused by created objects and thus should not be sought from them. Only Allāh has control over these things.

· We are reminded that acts of worship are taken from Allāh’s Messenger, and a person is not supposed to make up his own way of worship, he must follow the manner of worship that the Prophet taught and practiced.

· We also learn that once an action is confirmed in the Sunnah, the believer submits and complies and practices it because it is confirmed that Allāh’s Messenger did it, even if we don’t know the wisdom behind it.

· This narration is also an example of how a responsible person tries to clarify and do away with any misunderstandings that people may have about matters of faith. The people had recently left their unbelief and polytheism, so ʿUmar wanted to make it clear that kissing the Black Stone is by no means done as an act of devotion to it, as people used to do with their stone idols.

Adapted from Ibn Ḥajr, Fatḥ Al-Bārī, and other ḥadīth commentaries.

Please bring another lie!

do you know that Muhammad say touching of the black stone is the purification of sins ?

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 959:
The Messenger of Allah (peace
and blessings of Allah be upon
him) says: “Touching them both
(the Black Stone and al-Rukn al-
Yamani) is an expiation for
sins.”

is this not an act of worship ?


Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number
23:
Narrated By ‘Asim bin Sulaiman:
I asked Anas bin Malik about
Safa and Marwa (i.e. two
mountains at Mecca). Anas
replied, “We used to consider
( i.e. going around ) them a
custom of the Pre-Islamic period
of Ignorance, so when Islam
came, we gave up going around
them . Then Allah revealed,
‘Verily, Safa and Marwa ( i.e. two
mountains at Mecca) are among
the Symbols of Allah. So it is not
harmful of those who perform
the Hajj of the House of Allah or
perform the Umra to ambulate
(Tawaf) between them.’” (Surah
2:158)

how come what is sacrad to the pagan become the symbol of Allah ?

Rashduct4luv:
How many People in the Bible made human sacrifices to God?

none