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I laugh each time they say Ebonyi state is underdeveloped, compare it with other states in the middle belt, North and West is when you know they are making progress even with the little they have.

Nice pictures OP

Amarabae:
Reno, didnt Edwin clarke and Gov dickson say a similiar thing about GEJ?
Nnamdi kanu expressed his freedom of speech jor.
For me, GEJ tried in being detribalised in appointments but interms of projects especially in southern nigeria, he messed up!
Undredged calabar seaport, bad federal roads, no new airport esp. In his bayelsa.
Abandoned 2nd Niger bridge.
Abandoned Onitsha River port initiated by Yaradua.
And so on.
But even at that, Buhari is not better than him.
Nigeria should try a Female president jor.

A woman can't handle the complexity and rigidity of the Nigerian politics, Nigeria and Africa need leaders with a bit of the dictatorial spirit, one thing GEJ lacked.

Don't mind those trying to create division where there is none, we have a lot in common from the prehistoric times, it's simply their divide and rule tactics that set us apart.

johntolu:
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Lets agree for argument sake, that Chief Awolowo brought tribalism to Nigerian politics as a result of his victory on the floor of the Western House of Assembly, in 1951, after the alleged 'cross carpeting saga,' which is a normal practice in Parliamentary system of government.
How do we describe Chief Azikiwe's 'palace coup' against an Efik man, at the Eastern House of Assembly, in Enugu, after loosing the 'battle' at Ibadan, to a Yoruba man. It could be argued that Dr. Azikiwe probably learn tribalism at Ibadan, but the sample that was used in toppling Prof. Eyo Ita from the Premiership post in Enugu, was an Igbo version.
It was the same version that was used in the Igbo civilian/military coup of 1966 that killed civilian and military leaders from other ethnic groups and spared all civilian and military leaders from the Igbo race when the Igbo race lost out in the political equation of the 1st Republic.
The party that formed the government at the center before and after independence, was a tribal party, Jihar Arewa Ta Jumhuriyar Naijeriya (Northern Peoples Congress). Ironically, it was the same Hausa-Fulani based party that gave Dr. Azikiwe, the platform to emerge as a ceremonial President in 1963.

All 3 regional leaders had elements of tribalism in them, so am not siding with anybody, Zik is neither an exception, let's all learn from their shortcomings.

omenkaLives:
The bastards are still desperate to attach themselves forcefully to the middle belt, albeit using a different tactic this time. Someone should tell those fools WE ARE NOT INTERESTED!

What is this one saying? your elders visited Kanu few days ago, begging to join biafra, so what is your point? don't let them hear you o!

totit:
Did you just use the word "hate"? Tell me yo joking. Hate for what, what for, and of what use?

Every thread is open for debate on NL, you don't just to about pulling lies upon lies and expect everybody to swallow it, Ok

Now get off my mention if you have nothing intelligent to offer abeg

And yes,you can go ahead and spit your dirty saliva on your head now.

Move away with your intelligence...

That is my state, I take pride in thee day and night, we in diaspora are happy and remain proud indegienes, we don't fail to align with you anywhere we find ourselves!

totit:


Lmao.

Poised indeed.

OK, anambra can keep poising " Poise " to.. while ogun hold the key as we speak.

Best of luck until then..

Why not open your own thread and propagate your ogun? why are you guys like this? hate won't take away reality...

#spits

tete7000:
Like I said, if we wake Zik up and ask why he acted the way he did, he will insist it was in the best interest of his nation. These people at some time put their lives on the line for what they believed was good at the times in question. They were human like us with their limitations. No one can see into the future, had they that opportunity, they might probably have behaved totally different. We need to applaud them for the good they were able to achieved, forgive their inadequacies, learn from their errors and see our we can push this nation forward. Ethnic and tribal wars waged everyday on e-media will not solve our problems. We are all victims of circumstances beyond us but we must take responsibility and move forward. It cut my heart everytime I see people tear themselves to shreds online. It is very sad and pathetic.

My bro that is the mess we find ourselves in, many lack understanding just like you do, ethnicity has eaten deep into our system.

shukuokukobambi:
And when it was time for Zik to vacate the leadership position, whom did he throw up and against whom? Whom did Awo support against whom?

So Awo should have allowed an Ibo man to come become premier of Western Nigeria to prove he wasn't a tribalist? If asking the greedy Zik to go look for leadership in his own homeland is tribalism, i support Awo 101%!! Look for something else to cry about

Same folks who wouldn't allow an Awka bishop head a catholic diocese in Imo state in this 21st century of diversity until the Pope himself gave them marching orders are now talking of tribalism. Pls jump into the lagoon if you're truly pained

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/ssouth-east/233562-pope-wades-into-ethnic-crisis-in-catholic-church-in-imo.html

kk, whatever... see how you diverted the whole thing to suit your lame point.

Diademk07:
Will you shut up?

What nonsense is this for crying loud? You should be happy that you're being called flattie while you call us aafonja because if we were as tribalistic as you Ibos, Osu would ave replaced the word "flattie" on this forum..

The audacity you have to label Awolowo a tribalist when he won the election fair by canvassing for Ibadan's party support while your greedy Zik thought he already had it in bag and could rule us in our backyard. The eediot couldn't even speak Yoruba yet wanted to rule over us! Why didn't he contest in the North where he was born, considering he could speak Hausa fluently?

k.

jargo89:
I am not accepting the 'you guys on NL' phrase being directed to me. If you had checked my also 'few' posts and see the 'Afonjas' and 'Igbos'; then i might understand you reason for using the phrase. I am not in that ilk.

The reason I mentioned you was 'cos I developed interest in your post and disagreed with it. Countering with an insult was uncalled for. Anyways, do have a nice evening.

A nice evening to you too Sire, am really sorry if I sounded insulting, never meant to.

tete7000:
I often admire Zik for his nationalistic view but in all honesty I often believe he is too much an idealist who couldn't appreciate the reality of his time. Survival often require that you adapt to reality of time. I am a Yoruba and you really won't expect me to castigate Awo for doing what he did. I don't know what he saw and why he took the path he took. Is he a tribalist? That will be a difficult question to answer, most especially looking at how the country has evolved. Would the country have taken a nationalistic direction had Awo not pull that coup on Zik? Whatever answer we arrived at will just be a mere conjecture because it is an event that never happen and we can never know other variables that could have come in and probably even created a worse scenario that we currently have. Other regions had their own as premiers, only western region would have been an exception, in that wise it wouldn't mean Nigeria as a whole was not tribalistic but rather the southwest was not tribalistic. Could southwest allowing Zik be made impact on other regions' region tribal outlook? Again we cant conclude because whatever conclusion we reach will still be mere conjectures.

However, following the history and studying the course the country eventually took, it is always my conclusion that Zik though probably a great nationalist but too much an idealist who refused to accept the reality of Nigeria tribal politics and as such wasn't really able to help his people in ways others do for their own. He pursued the mirage called Nigeria too far and he is one of those who make the topic of restructuring the country a difficult one.
That said, I usually want to say that those men did their best within their limitations. What is required is that current generation of leaders pick lessons from the past and see how they can push the country forward. Dwelling in the past won't solve the current national problems.

I can't agree more with you, you are very correct. while the likes of Awo and Ahmadu Bello were facing realities and providing free education for her regions, Zik was busy struggling to be and object of national unity which never existed, he came out when the civil war was tense in the boundary between the then Nigeria and Bight of Biafra and raised his both hands up emphasizing one Nigeria... most Igbos would never forgive him for this cos this helped to weaken the Biafran army.

According to him, he wouldn't accent to the division of a country he once struggled to fight for it's independence.

shukuokukobambi:
Before you start hyperventilating next time, learn to comprehend issues above your level of intellect. What is tribalistic about Awo asking Zik to go back to his homeland to rule? Have you called out Zik's wickedness in preventing Eyo Ita, a non-ibo esterner from being premier of eastern region? If you and Paul Unongo call it tribalism, it's your cup of garri. I endorse it fully!!

Zik was the ultimate tribalist and it started a long time before 1959. Read up on the politics of the Nigerian Youth Movement, NYM, and stop embarrassing your education in public

I needn't read up anything cos I have it all at the tip of my fingers, look for ignorant people you can toss around, Herbert Macaulay was the leader of NYM, and Zik took over after his death, what politics did he play there? he ain't a saint neither, but the point of argument here is that he brought tribal politics into Nigeria, if you accept with that, then case closed, I'm not in the habit of running around in circles.

jargo89:
Is it not the regional form of goverment Igbos are clamouring for now? Awolowo was more interested in the welfare of his kinsmen. If you cant appreciate that, then sorry to disappoint you as every politician has a right to his/her ideas

Before you jump into people's mention, you have to check where the argument started to avoid sounding stupid, the poster I quoted was doubting the known fact that it was Awolowo who brought in tribal politics into Nigeria, my afromentioned statement was to correct his assertions when he was saying Zik started it.

My aim was to make corrections, so you can now run along with your tribal e-war cos am not part of you guys.

shukuokukobambi:
Which was the sensible thing to do!! Zik, if he had the chance, wanted to rule over Africa. what grandiose delusion!! Did your history not tell you both Awo and Sardauna wanted the regions to stand alone except your dear Zik of Africa? Now his eastern brothers are being killed over agitations for secession?

If Zik had seen the future, your relatives wouldn't be used as target practice today

Before you jump into people's mention, you have to check where the argument started to avoid sounding stupid, the poster I quoted was doubting the known fact that it was Awolowo who brought in tribal politics into Nigeria, my afromentioned statement was to correct his assertions when he was saying Zik started it.

My aim was to make corrections, so you can now run along with your tribal e-war cos am not part of you guys.

Guestlander:
Whether you are a tribalist or not is the question here. What I'm saying are documented facts. You only need to counter my points with facts rather than trying to insult me.

Feed yourself with a little bit of history, I don't have that luxury of time to keep running in circles with you like you expected.

http://dailypost.ng/2013/03/06/obinna-akukwe-obafemi-awolowo-hero-of-yoruba-killer-of-biafra-betrayed-by-the-north/

It is an Established fact that Obafemi Awolowo introduced tribalism into the Nigerian system, not forgetting his hatred towards the Igbos, make sure you read the article to the end.

Guestlander:
This story has been told like a thousand times on this website and I believe everything is archived here. Yes, Azikiwe like others fought for Nigeria independence but that doesn't make him a saint.
He did use his newspaper to promote tribal hegemony and he was referred to as a demagogue.
You are the ignorant one here, you obviously only read what you want to read.
Tell me he wasn't a demagogue, tell me he didn't write articles promoting ibo superiority.

Ok bro, I'm not a tribalist anyways, but whatever makes you happy...

Guestlander:
Absolute nonsense, Awolowo knew Azikiwe more than any average Yoruba man at the time. Azikiwe as a Newspaper editor was a tribal champion who used his newspaper to promote ibo superiority over Yoruba in particular.
Why would such a man even want to lead Yoruba? Thank God Nigerians were not very informed at that period, even Time magazine refered to him as a demagogue.

Atimes I blame those who scrapped history from our curriculum...just look at the sheer ignorance you are displaying.

Azikiwe that was a renowned nationalist and insisted on one Nigeria even at the expense of his own brothers during the war, he used his newspaper to propagate African liberation from the colonists, unlike Awolowo who focused more on regional politics which landed him in prison...

Kenyanstar:
Things that give Nigerians sleepless nights...

Sleepless nights? lol... you guys aren't that significant man, I'm happy for you guys anyways, but stop the delusion.

TayserMahiri:
Blankets and Wines happens every two months man of little knowledge. At least your type get to experience voodoo and juju once a year.

Aren't we going to compare pictures again? or you wanna shift the goal post? nah nah...

You just reminded you, I heard you guys now export juju to the world? which means it has a surplus value what a great feat bro, keep on.

arinzeejikonye:
And you believe this ish,

Wenedem do you know that even in war time during bokoharam crisis, and in idp camps thousands of women delivered their bouncing babies in good condition,
The facts are there,
To hell with such fallacious unsubstantiated obfuscation of blatant falsification, those ngo call report

The same Kenyans who tell us not to believe every report about them, that they are inflated by Ngo's..

TayserMahiri:
Can we contrast pictures of your Calabar Carnival with our Blankets and Wines and see who wins?

You would only end up making a huge mockery of yourself, how dare you compare the great and most anticipated Calabar carnival with your tea and blanket occasion? Now view the two links below and stop feeding the world with your ignorance. The first is pictures from the Calabar carnival, while the second is your tea and blanket occasion.

http://www.stylehubng.com/2016/12/photos-from-calabar-carnival-2016-street-party.html?m=1

http://www.redpepper.co.ug/juicy-bootylicious-babes-cause-whooper-stampede-at-blankets-wine/

The is no comparison man, the first represents beautiful people from all over having a carnival with fine cultural attires, while the second represents some funny set people who spread blankets on the floor to drink tea, oh wine

At least your type would get to taste wine once in a year.

Isahalbash:
Another twist to evade a simple argument. " am sympathetic to Buhari cos am a northerner muslim" for d sake of argument, let jst accept even though u can't prove ur assumption. You quick to say; northern hausas dislike Gej not because he didn't perform, but because isn't a northerner Hausa or Fulani muslim, accepted- while do southeasterners' hate Buhari?


In 2011 Benue, kogi, kwara, Adamawa and most southwest states voted Gej massively, while didn't they vote for him in 2015... I guessed its because Hausa/fulani Muslims owned dos states too daz y since he performed wonderfully?



I also guess SE don't hate Buhari because he's a northerner christians too...



You can't accused people of what you r also guilty of and say you're bn objective, daz a blatant lie, you knw it deep inside you.


If you want to be objective sincerely, then u shud stop saying some people hate bla bla cos u also do dsame.



Lastly, d person I quoted was talking about Northerners hate Gej, I equally asked him to do dsame for d SE ND see if dey also love a northern muslim... Daz why d election stuff came in not weda Buhari has done well or nt talk of me bn defensive cos daz illogical.

You are still beating about the bush, am not talking about elections man, let's say some people hate him cos of his region and tribe, now do the whole country also hate him for same? Go to Benue, Kogi, and most middle belt states that voted him and shout "Sai Baba" and you would see the reaction of people, Nobody is saying Jonathan is perfect, but we voted in an acclaimed 'Messiah' to take us to the promise land, what has he done? this is the big question.

Most of those who voted him are regretting even some Hausa people, except offcus some primitive illiterate core northern Muslim.

You yourself be sincere, can you compare the economy now and in the last two years? that is the point man..

Kiss the truth!

genieluv:
Sometimes i find you Southern Nigerians to be heavy hypocrites (am sorry if i sound insultive).

**** You guys keep on talking about how northern Nigerians dominate the military, politics or whatever buh you do not talk about how you guys dominate the economy of the country.
You guys are not talking about how the British favoured you guys by establishing the capital of the country in Lagos n how this has brought heavy development n urbanisation to Southern Nigeria n how this has made Southern Nigeria the economic powerhouse of the country.

Why don't you guys tell this to the Kenyans? ephi321 n co

On a more serious note I find most of your comments very funny, you need to do more of reading than hearsay, and we ain't fighting dear. Now let me school you a bit cos you are ignorant of some things you say here.

You firstly need to ask yourself which route the colonists used to enter the Niger area, it was through the sea. And Lagos is surrounded by water, what does that tell you? they navigated through the Atlantic Ocean, some landed in Lagos, while others through the river in Lokoja. Lord lugard administered Northern Nigeria where he was in charge before the almagamation with southern Nigeria from Lokoja, you can visit the said place presently on mount Parti in Lokoja Kogi state and see things for yourself.

Lagos was the route through which slaves were transported cos of the sea, so this was one of the earliest places the whites settled and controlled other regions from there, so what do you expect from such a place? most economic activities like trade, which comprised of agricultural products was transported and facilitated by Lagos cos of its closeness to the sea, Lagos was now annexed in 1861 and made the capital of the then Southern Niger area.

I speak with facts and not hearsay, do more of reading and research.

fanficgirl:
Is this legitimate?

Sure, make adequate research and educate yourself.

genieluv:
How can you guys say northerners were less informed? When they were the first group of present day Nigerians to start reading, writing n travelling outside Africa on voyages since pre-colonial times?

**** My reply to Ngozi will do you some good too cos i can't start typing all over. We are somehow saying basically the same thing.

Most of what you stated have some atom of truism, but was it why the British liked them more and struggled to smuggle them into power by all means at the advent of independence? definitely No! that is our argument here.

Nowenuse:
I am not just talking about looks here, but mostly about character, mindset and dispositions.

Do you also know that people sometimes tend to acquire the physical looks of the people of a place they grew up?
For instance, when i go back to my home state, some people over there are surprised to hear that i am from the north, cos i do not look so much like them. They claim that i look more like a Southerner. Likewise, there are many southerners in my home state whom look so much like my own people that i get shocked when they say they are from the south because they were born and bred in the north. Sometimes it is like this.

This is very true, environmental determinism.

QueenOfNepal:
blood of Zechariah Eph321 what say you? Where are my friends Ngokafor Ngozi123 pazienza coloneldrake nonaira1 nonaira agumbaa

This is a case of history revisionist

You were definitely right dear, read my preceding comments, I had corrected her assertions.

Isahalbash:
Lolz! the same people hating d current govt r dsame people saying northerners hate Gej because of tribe ND religion... Was d difference btw Dem nd d northerners?



D south-west voted for Gej massively in 2011( he won 5states then), and dsame south west voted against him massively in d last election cos he only won a state out of 6 in d region. Now, wud same people say- it's because of religion ND tribe again since dsame people were urs best friends 6yrs ago ND nw ur enemies. Besides, Gej even won some states in North Central ND a state in north east " nasarawa, plateau and taraba"



Buhari didn't win in d southeast ND south-south likewise Gej in d northwest ND northeast excluding taraba.



Those regions don't have any difference to me cos they r both dsame; tribalistic, religious bigots etc( northwest ND southeast).

Nobody is talking about elections here man, try to be objective for once, Buhari can be likened to a plumber who told you your sink is bad, you hired him to come fix it and instead of doing so, he keeps telling you how bad the sink has gone rather than find a substantive solution, keeps feeding your mind with hatred about how the past plumbers did a very poor job, but why was he called? to fix the damn sink!

Buhari should do the needful and stop complaining, that is the point. You know the truth deep down you that things have gone bad, but your love for Buhari cos he's your Muslim brother wont allow you say the truth,..

Speak ye the truth and dou shall set you free!

genieluv:
I think you are misleading mtis in some areas.

**** First of all, i don't think the British gave power to the north because they were illiterate, no, rather, it was because they were the most socially organized, exposed and enlightened.

When the British came to Nigeria, Danfodio n his hausa-fulani jihadists had the largest territory and empire (Sultanate) in Nigeria.
Hausa-fulanis were already reading n writing in Arabic, they were already travelling to the middle-east for Hajj, trading with Arabs, Berbers and others different peoples of the world. All other Nigerian groups lacked this.

This was why the British empowered them over others. They were better administrators.

Yoruba kingdoms were busy fighting themselves. Parts of Benin kingdom (Auchi area) & Kwararafa kingdom were already being ravaged n islamized by these jihadists.

I disagree with you also, I read extensively on this as it is part of my study areas, the North had organized monarch system which facilitated tax collection, the conservative nature of Islam made it more easier. Also they were less informed and wanted colonialism to continue, Nigeria should had gained Independence in 1953 during the call by Chief Anthony Enahoro, a southerner, but Ahmadu Bello rejected this and replaced it with "as soon as practicable" reason our independence was delayed until 7 yrs later.

The North were better tools to be controlled unlike most of their southern counterparts who just returned from their education abroad, they saw the ills of colonialism after contrasting it with the good lives they enjoyed in the west. This actually brought about the advent of Nationalism.

When Nigeria conducted her first election in 1959, the then British governor general, Sir James Robertson selected a junior civil servant Harold Smith to oversee the rigging of the election in favor of the North, He was promised promotion and alot of cash, but unfortunately he still rejected.

The Northerners have been strong allies with the west, they can easily be controlled and very good at ass licking, reason Obama stood against Jonathan and supported Buhari cos Jonathan refused to adopt some policies like gay marriage and the likes. Hope you also know Buhari sent alot of money for Hillary Clinton's campaign in the US? thank God she even lost.

It didn't start today, Be informed!