₦airaland Forum

Afam:
In Lebanon today we cannot deny the fact that some people like Hezbollah while some dislike them.

Likewise in Israel today, some people objected to the war (arabs living in Northern Israel where a lot of military installations are) while some supported it.

As is usually the case with you. You provide no respectable links to back up your claim. Where is the evidence of this?

Afam:
After all said and done, Hezbollah was not crippled as promised by Israel, over 1000 deaths, the 2 kidnapped soldiers are not yet returned, the Israeli PM is under pressure to resign, he even admitted making mistakes even though he refused an independent inquiry into the war.

The prime minister admitted that he made a mistake not going all out from day 1. Those probing offensives while killing hezbolla fighters didn't stop them launching short range rockets. That is now obvious and Israel won't make that mistake again.

Afam:
The response by Israel changed the equation and the results are there for all to see.
Peace can be achieved if we are sincere but are we really sincere even when we are far away from the real action? If commentators or discussants can afford to be this insincere in discussing the issues one can imagine what those that are directly affected will do.

The results sure are there for everyone to see. They are clear enough that even Mr Hezbolla leader has come out to apologise for starting the war. Plus that buffon that is called the leader of Iran has been silent ever since. They now know the cost of provoking Israel in the 21st century.

Peace can be achieved alright. Once Iran, Syria and the other hostile Arab nations in the Gulf officially recognise Israel as a country and it's right to exist. Then there will be peace.

Afam:
Kaecy5,
Do not forget that even some Lebanese that did not like Hezbollah before the last war were forced to side with them when they lost relatives and friends to Israeli bombs.

Even a catholic priest said on CNN that his people have no choice that to support Hezbollah to defend their country.

Yeah right. As opposed to the following

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060826/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_hezbollah;_ylt=AlskvWr7_Bj0j5cACjiwAOILewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5259842.stm
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=4489
http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/personal-opinions/hizbullah-s-filthy-methods/
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-08-22T173607Z_01_L22191148_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST-LEBANON-FEARS.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage3

Big B1:
It is very simple:

This is how I see it: We have Mr A, Mr B, Mr C and Mr D

Mr A and Mr B are fighting

Mr C is supporting Mr A by supplying him with deadly weapon to destroy Mr B

Mr D is also supporting Mr B by supplying him with deadly weapon to destroy Mr A.

It is Easily perceived or understood that Mr A and Mr B hate one another; it is also very obvious that Mr A hates Mr D and Mr B hates Mr D,

Very soon the real un-obvious enemies will become clearly apparent, the real conflict will be between MR C and Mr D.

Currently no one is really talking about the potential major conflict bettween Mr C and Mr D, but only Time will tell, but let's pray for peace.

NOTE:[s][/s]
Mr A = Israel
Mr B = Lebanon, Iran, Syria ETC
Mr C = USA
Mr D = Russia

You ignored 32+ pages to post that crap? Wow. What is wrong with you?

It is not simple. Mr A wants to live in peace with his Northern neighbours as he does with his Southern and (SW?) neighbours.
Mr B (Iran) is using Hezbolla to wage a war against Mr A in order to destroy it from Mr B's(Lebanon) territory. Mr B(Lebanon) is made up of Christains, Druze, Sunni's, and Shites. Hezbolla is an organization of Shite militias and does not represent Lebanon.
[b]THIS WAS NOT A WAR BETWEEN MR A AND MR B(LEBANON).[/B] It was a war between Mr A and Hezbolla.

Mr C provides Mr A with precision weapons to defend itself. If Mr A wanted to destroy the Mr Bs, he would stock up on Dumb Bombs/incendary bombs (which are far cheaper) and purchase a massive fleet of B52s and then go nuts over the territories of the Mr Bs.

Mr D has nothing to do with Hezbolla. This is an attempt to side step an issue that has clearly been illustrated in this thread.

I can't believe I even bothered to post that all over again. Some people, SHEESH!

[quote author=Brown-Eyes link=topic=17880.msg583976#msg583976 date=1156867658]@Mariory
Well don't you tell me to shut my mouth up and i wont call you a bully.[/quote]You calling me a bully is irrelevant and makes no difference to me. You owe it to yourself to research stuff before speaking about topics you have little factual knwolegde about.
For the record, I didn't tell you to shut your mouth.

I am not trying to intimidate you. You can't expect not to be critisied on a public forum when you are making statements that are not fact. It's nothing personal.

[quote author=Brown-Eyes link=topic=17880.msg583851#msg583851 date=1156860248]If they kill themselves as well or if they kill non muslims? The Quran actually supports that?[/quote]Yes it is. The verse in the Quran has been quoted by Osama in propaganda videos he released and in many other matyr video's released by suicide bombers.
The fact that you have to ask this question shows how little you know on the subject.

[quote author=Brown-Eyes link=topic=17880.msg583851#msg583851 date=1156860248]In the US when American teenagers come into school with a shotgun killing innocent bystanders and then topping themselves off. What will you call that?[/quote]Are you serious? You're comparing this two scenarios? LMFAO! I know you're grasping at straws in this argument but, COME ON for crying out loud. Pathetic.

[quote author=Brown-Eyes link=topic=17880.msg583851#msg583851 date=1156860248]Well i can't stop bringing them into this when they are already involved.

Look how the US got involved in their politics with Georgia and for what reason? Oil.[/quote]Again you demonstrate how little you know. Georgia has oil? A scientist will find the universe you live in absolutely intriging. If you have nothing to say, then say nothing. This conflict has nothing to do with Russia vs US whatever that little piggy tells you.

Bustyn:
Imoh Udoh the busted scammer

You could at least include a warning that the link contained nudity. Some of us use nairaland from work.

[quote author=Brown-Eyes link=topic=17880.msg583729#msg583729 date=1156852694]c. Suicide bombings

Unlike the US, they can't afford weapons so they use themselves.[/quote]No they blow themselves up because they believe killing non-muslims will grant them automatic entry to their heaven and 40+ virgins.

[quote author=Brown-Eyes link=topic=17880.msg583729#msg583729 date=1156852694]Which war is "really between Russia and the US and their attempt to take over the world", the cold war? How can the war be between the US and Russia when it is obvious the sponsors and backers of hizballah is Iran and Syria?
The level of ignorance here is apalling!


Tell me who is backing Iran? and who is backing Israel? At the moment Russia and US are playing War games and why is that? You really need to look beyond what the US media is spoonfeeding you and start using your own brain to analyse situations.[/quote]Russia isn't backing Iran. They have several billions worth of interest in the country. It's about money for the Russians. Stop bringing them into this.

[quote author=Brown-Eyes link=topic=17880.msg583729#msg583729 date=1156852694]@ Mariory

I fear you've opened up another oppurtunity for some folks here to chat absolute nonsense.

I understand though. It is hard to see ignorance being displayed and ignore it. Grin

Thought you didnt want to start an argument.[/quote]That's right. I didn't want to start an argument on Russia vs America.

kabiyesi:
Hizbullah has already destroyed at least one armor division out of a total of seven that the IDF relies upon. These losses have jeopardized Israel’s blitzkrieg strategy and have lead the latter to limit its ground campaign to the pace of infantrymen. The Lebanese Resistance uses upscale Russian anti-tank rocket launchers that not only punch holes through Israeli Merkava, but also through US-made tanks. Viktor Litovkin analyses the growing argument between Tel-Aviv and Moscow.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5257128.stm
[sacarsm]Yeah Isreal sure "lost" the war.[/sacarsm] I'd hate to see what the South lebanon would look like if Israel were to "win".

Interesting read.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005802.htm
http://www.zombietime.com/fraud/ambulance/
Another example of how they falsify reports. How many people have ever heard on our inpartial news services that Israel has withdrawn apologies they issued when they were acussed of bombing non military targets. Well apparently, Isreal does withdraw apologies when an invesgigation clears them of such actions.

Another example of the kind of propaganda going on in Islamic countries against Israel.
http://www.snopes.com/religion/blood.htm#refs
Now no doubt wackos like these will exist everywhere, but you don't expect such nonsense in a Saudi Government Daily.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/622bqwjn.asp?pg=1
Make of that what you will

Very Interesting
http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=4489

Oh boy davidylan by responding to Brown-Eyes post about Israel getting a licking, I fear you've opened up another oppurtunity for some folks here to chat absolute nonsense.

I understand though. It is hard to see ignorance being displayed and ignore it. 

Danmasani:
Like i said, anyone with absolutely no skeleton in his cupboard has nothing to be scared of. Ever heard of Umar Dangiwa? do u hear him scream that EFFC is after him. How about Gani, Buhari, Soyinka? They are clean. They have no billions to hide.

So hide in shame if you have soiled your hands for I pray the EFFC to have a day with you. I'm eyeballed anyhow by others when i say I'm Nigerian because of the fraud and corruption associated with it. I need Ribadu badly to help me reduce that stigma. Yahoo boys and 419ners abound even here in Nairaland. I pray the catch you. I forward all those emails to EFFC, hope they grab u, assholes

Amen! By the grace of God.

The truth keeps emerging little by little
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060826/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_hezbollah;_ylt=AlskvWr7_Bj0j5cACjiwAOILewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--

History of palestine (with reference Links) *135-337
http://www.usd.edu/erp/Palestine/history.htm#135-337

Analysis of Palestine demorgraphics during Ottaman and British Rule
http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm

[quote author=Brown-Eyes link=topic=17880.msg581548#msg581548 date=1156689339]I gave you the link and even the Israelis have admitted it that is why they are looking for a PM that knows more about militant procedures. They got a thorough beating because they underestimated the power of the 'Dark' side.
They assumed their weapons will not be up to scratch only to find out they were more than up to scratch in fact they were more advanced than theirs.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1221306.ece

South lebanon is being rebuilt as we type so no chance of that.

People as in the whole world including the US? Well the opinion of one does not outweigh the opinions of many in this case.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/06/03/rumsfeldpuzzled.shtml

Russia and China know what they are doing.

And who am i going to be lectured by? Certainly not by you, Mr 'US won the Vietnam war'

[/quote]I was going to reply but doing so will start a whole new argument I'm sure. As such I won't.

Are you kidding? You don't think Hezbolla was ready for war? They spent six years since Isreal withdrew from South Lebanon building a network of tunnels and bunkers along the entire frontier and building weapon storage bunkers in town centres and stockpiling on Iranian rockets (estimated at 13,000 - 14,000).

You say they kicked Isreal's ass. LMFAO! So this is a victory for hezbolla? Well, it sure would be a sight to see their next victory. Yeah I can imagine it now, The whole of South lebanon becoming a waste land of sand and stone but hezbolla supporters celebrating victory in Iran and Syria. Yup, the Lebanese would sure appreciate that.

Reminds me of when people mention the US lost in Vietnam, or in Somalia. Absolutely funny stuff.

[quote author=Brown-Eyes link=topic=17880.msg580475#msg580475 date=1156594308]http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L26771679.htm
This war is really between Russia and the US and their attempt to take over the world. In the meantime there is a scramble for Africa, i hope this time around Africans will resist as much as the Arab World have been doing.[/quote]You mean Russia that is dependent on Western aid, investments, and trade? That Russia? This war has nothing to do with Russia. Russia have their own problems with fundamentalists in Chechna(sp). whole different topic on which it appears you need to be lectured.

You know what, if you love countrie like Iran, Russia, or China, why don't you go live there?

http://www.ouwet.com/n10452/personal-opinions/hizbullah-s-filthy-methods/

Funny I don't remember seeing this earlier on the news.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5997163,00.html

The so called "freedom Fighters" threating to liberate Europe as well.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153292012439&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Ahh more "Freedom Fighters"
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Security&loid=8.0.329958814&par=0

http://www.ngrguardiannews.com/news/article04

May God continue to bless the EFCC.

Afam:
@TayoD,

Isreal is the victim but by its own very actions lost the sympathy and became the aggressor solely based on the level of disproportionate force used in response to the Hezbollah attack.

LMFAO! The nerve of some people. The nerve.

@Brown-Eyes

Are you serious you're going to use Goerge Galloway to argue your position? Are you sure you wanna do that?

nilla:
mariory you modified your post already

Never mind about my previous post. Don't know why I even bothered.
And don't try to display that knowegdeable attitude after the rubbish you posted earlier in the thread.

@Mr Retard
I didn't expect any less of you after your second post in this thread. Despite the supply of evidence throughout this thread you keep defending the indefensible. You showed your true colours for a while before attempting to retreat and reportray yourself as a neutral.

otokx:
@Mariory

please who are the empty 3?

its amazing how some peeps are getting all worked up over a matter they know not the head or tail of.

I'm not worked up far from it. I'm simply going by what's been displayed by certain people in the thread. It's actually quite hilarious really.

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@davidylan
Don't bother yourself arguing with the empty 3 anymore. No matter how many facts (historical or analytical) you post, it will make no difference. They will attempt in their own gifted way to disprove your facts by claiming (and this has got to be the stupidest thing I've heard in quite a while) your information is American, or Israeli, or Dutch, or Canadian, or British, or Australian etc.

@nilla I see you ignored the links I posted. That's cool, keep living in dream land. For those that may be interested.

Hizballah (Party of God)

Alias: Islamic Jihad

Group Profile

Hizballah, an extremist political-religious movement based in Lebanon, was created and sponsored by a contingent of 2,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards (IRGs) dispatched to Lebanon by Iran in July 1982, initially as a form of resistance to the Israeli presence in southern Lebanon. Hizballah's followers are Shia Muslims, who are strongly anti-Western and anti-Israeli and totally dedicated to the creation of an Iranian-style Islamic Republic in Lebanon and the removal of non-Islamic influences in the area. Hizballah's following mushroomed in 1982 as both the Iranians and their local allies in Lebanon indoctrinated young and poor Shia peasants and young people in West Beirut's poor Shia suburbs through films, ideological seminars, and radio broadcasts. The Islamic fundamentalist groups in Lebanon have been most successful in recruiting their followers among the slum dwellers of south Beirut. By late 1984, Hizballah is thought to have absorbed all the known major extremist groups in Lebanon.

Hizballah's worldview, published in a 1985 manifesto, states that all Western influence is

detrimental to following the true path of Islam. In its eyes, the West and particularly the United States, is the foremost corrupting influence on the Islamic world today: thus, the United States is known as "the Great Satan." In the same way, the state of Israel is regarded as the product of Western imperialism and Western arrogance. Hizballah believes that the West installed Israel in the region in order to continue dominating it and exploiting its resources. Thus, Israel represents

the source of all evil and violence in the region and is seen as an outpost of the United States in the heart of the Islamic Middle East. In Hizballah's eyes, Israel must, therefore, be eradicated.

Hizballah sees itself as the savior of oppressed and dispossessed Muslims.

Hizballah's central goals help to explain the nature and scope of its use of terrorism.

These include the establishment of an exclusively Shia, Iran-style Islamic state in Lebanon; the complete destruction of the state of Israel and the establishment of Islamic rule over Jerusalem and Palestine; and an implacable opposition to the Middle East peace process, which it has tried to sabotage through terrorism.

The typical Hizballah member in 1990 was a young man in his late teens or early twenties, from a lower middle-class family. In Hizballah's first years, many members were part-time soldiers. By 1990, however, most of the militia and terrorist group members were believed to be full-time "regulars." In the early 1980s, Hizballah used suicide commandos as young as 17, including a beautiful Sunni girl, who killed herself and two Israeli soldiers. In the last decade or so, however, Hizballah has been using only more mature men for special missions and attacks, while continuing to induct youths as young as 17 into its guerrilla ranks. Hizballah's military branch includes not only members recruited from the unemployed, but also doctors, engineers, and other professionals. In 1993 Iranian sources estimated the number of Hizballah's fighters at 5,000 strong, plus 600 citizens from Arab and Islamic countries; the number of the party's political cadres and workers was estimated at 3,000 strong. Within this larger guerrilla organization, Hizballah has small terrorist cells organized on an informal basis. They may consist of the personal following of a particular leader or the relatives of a single extended family.

Hizballah is divided between moderates and radicals. Shaykh Muhammud Husayn Fadlallah, Hizballah's spiritual leader, is considered a moderate leader. The radical camp in 1997 was led by Ibrahim Amin and Hasan Nasrallah. The latter is now Hizballah's secretary general.

That came from this link
http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/frd.html (The Federation of American Scientists: Library of Congress)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel

Syrian President Bashar Assad has rejected the U.N. deployment along Syria's border with Lebanon, saying such a move would create animosity between the two countries.

"This is an infringement on Lebanese sovereignty and a hostile position," Assad said in an interview with Dubai Television.

He now speaks for Lebanon that wants the UN peacekeepers there. And these are the people that are supposed to be victims. These are the people that are supposed to want peace.

Absolutely ludicrous.

@igbestu22
You might wanna visit the job section of the forum.

nilla:
But your last paragraph, here we go:
there is no fickleness to my post. Maybe we should be asking you now if Israel should be considered as terrorists seeing that they killed UN people + some other innocent people
I'm sure you know very well that those 4 UN people were not soldiers/troops (See you telling half truths or lies) but UN observers.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/25/world/main1832266.shtml
And I don't think the work of an observer is to go and fight, or to go and expect to be killed.

Maybe you should stop digging. That hole of ignorance (and I mean that in a non-personal way) is big enough already.

nilla:
@ davidylan

Ofcourse not. Al qaeda does not have to bomb my fathers house, but yet i know its a terrorist group (e.g. because of 9/11). You have still not told me what hezbollah did to you or to make you call them terrorists.

http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/hizbalah.htm

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/frd.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/low/dates/stories/july/26/newsid_2499000/2499619.stm

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2001/2/Israelis+Held+by+the+Hizbullah+-+Oct+2000-Jan+2004.htm

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c101:H.CON.RES.190:

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2006/sc8616.doc.htm

http://www.un.org/apps/sg/offthecuff.asp?nid=908

http://www.un.org/News/ossg/hilites/hilites_arch_view.asp?HighID=407

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17060#fn11

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Jihad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_1983_U.S._Embassy_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

One for your education
http://www.liberty05.com/civilwar/civil3.html

Viva EFCC! May more crooks continue to be extracted from Nigerian society. May more criminal lives be ruined. May criminals continue to get so angry in their isolation that they do damage to themselves.

Amen.

So now you want us to talk about how Israel "lost" the war despite the fact that everything Israel wanted from the war is contained in the UN resolution that was passed. The same resolution that Hezbolla initailly pleged not to obey even if the whole Universe comes against it. It eventually accepted the resolution that calls for it's own disarmament, the return of the Israeli soldiers, and for the Lebanese army to occupy for the first time since 1962 the Southern part of Lebanon.

Of course Hezbolla will not obey the resolution. They only "accepted" it so they would have a chance to catch their breath and rearm. One way or another Hezbolla will cease to exist as a militant force.

- The United Noise will do it (doubtful)
- The Lebanese army will do it (also doubtful)
- The Israeli's will do it (highly likely).

Once Hezbolla starts targetting Lebanese or UN troops like they did before causing them to withdraw, the war will start again. And the recent situation in Southern lebanon will be a cake walk compared to what israel's will do next time.

Jackal:
@oshkosh.
Its so obvious some heads have eyes but can't see.
Tafa was OBJ's friend until Tafa decided to play a fast one on OBJ.
U don't have to be a public officer to pull the strings of embezzlement in Nigeria. Get that into your greasy head,mate

Ribadu is Lucifer's special gift to Nigeria being used as a tool by OBJ.
He is the most senseless sonofabitch Nigeria has ever produced with his mentally-ill commision.
Nigeria will be better off without Nuhu and his goons.
Just watch what happens when new regime takes over next year. U will gape at the kind of dirty stuffs EFCC has perpetrated 'emselves.

May Ribadu and the EFCC live long. May they crush as many criminals as heavebly possible. May they ruin the lives of countless crooks and scammers in Nigeria.

Amen!

Don't bother he's right.