₦airaland Forum

ono:
Thank you.

The road map is already on the drawing board. We cannot fail to achieve our set out goals and objectives. If we fail, our generations yet unborn will exhume our corpses and desecrate our graves when we are long gone.

But, they will honor our memories, like that of the late Isaac Adaka Boro and Ken Saro Wiwa of blessed memory when they find out that we did not sit with our oppressors at a round table and feed on chicken and pork when our resources are used to better our oppressors lot!

But that we fought galantly (and even shed our blood), took the bulls by the horn, challenged the status quo ante and obtain our freedom.

Buhahahaha! Some of you crack me up. God I need to pee.

The state governments should do more for their people and their people should hold their state governments accountable as well. They get more money than other states to the tune of billions of naira. There should at least be some development on the ground.

Once again, it is the ordinary people that just want to exist that are suffering.

Leaders of six Ijaw communities in Ekeremor Local Government area of Bayelsa State on Monday raised the alarm over oil spill resulting from Saturday’s blow-up of Agge Manifold of Shell Petroleum Development Company by Ijaw militants.

http://www.punchng.com/ssouth/article03

MEND had already dismantled the manifold. The area was already abandoned. Yet the exictable boys still went back and blew up the manifold probably because they were bored.
Then people will come here and try to paint them as freedom fighters (not criminals) and they think they are fooling nigerians and the international community.

Haha pictures from yahoo.com.

Remember these pictures. Those misguided boys may be dead or in prison within 2-3 wks if the hostages are not released.

About 33 paragraphs down.

Lawmakers who spoke with our correspondents on Monday said the immunity clause as contained in Section 308 of the constitution would be redefined.

A senator who spoke on condition of anonymity explained that based on the report, the immunity clause would be expunged from the constitution "so that a governor can be prosecuted on criminal matters while in office”.

On the issue of tenure, he said Nigerians would have a rude awakening when the lawmakers unanimously vote against it.

http://www.punchng.com/main/article01

In my opinion, this will be the best thing to come out of this constitutional review.

Posted by: issac boro
Take my word before the end of the year there will be a full scale civil war in the niger delta and guess what the US will support the niger delta and britain.
You know why the Americans do not like the chinese and nigeria is getting close to china is a security risk to them and they will look for ways to push china out of this region because of it's resources and they will be willing to finace the war and what will you people do eat your words a word is enough for the wise

I do not believe in war but if you people read books you will understand that for there to be peace there has to be war.

Now I know that propaganda is important but, put away those stupid pills you've been taking and gradually bring yourself back to reality.

Posted by: toshmann
he said the reprisal wont stop future attacks,hmmn.but the attacks had no effect on the cartoons. the boy who drew those cartoons said he has no regrets.period.this boy may not even be a christain(europeans are generally secular,don't believe the bible or God or Jesus)

That's not true. Quite a number of Europeans are religious but, they have managed to seperate religion from politics. There are also a number of traditionally Islamic countries that have also managed to do the same. Kingdom of Jordan to name just one. there is no reason why we can't acheive this being primariry Christain and Muslim.

I think part of our problem comes from the moderates both North and South but, especially from the North not coming out in the open against these fudmentalists that keep causing trouble.

Posted by: emmeno
I guess u want to know y i called him the legend, well its because when he was ruling Nigeria, one Dollar then was very cheap and our own money had value then but now, u can't give a little child 50box and ask him to buy sweet wit it. Now the OBJ group and sons LTD r just messing all the things up. I'm not a fan of Abacha nor any politician, if i had one chance to meet Abacha, i'll stick his penis up his ass and make him feel some pain and ask him how it feels when he bleeps himself. , but lets reason this, just forget that Abacha was a dictator, what if we had a president who always want nigeria to be the 1st in the world witout being a dictator, wont u like it

Not even worth a decent reply.

WARRI — THE Federal Government has reportedly accepted to meet some of the conditions given by the Movement for the Emancipation of Niger-Delta (MEND) for the release of the remaining three hostages

http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/2002/cover/march06/04032006/f204032006.html

Which of the conditions do you ģuys think the Federal Government will meet?

They can't do that because the governors are immune under the current constitution.

I expect most Governors are for third term. I've seen a couple repeating what the general public want to hear and telling the Federal Government to step down in 2007. But how many of them have actually disapproved of amending the constitution to include a third term?

You see, my problem with this people saying an eye for an eye is that this is not what is happening. INNOCENT people are being killed and you are calling it an eye for an eye. The people actually doing the killing are not the same people being killed in repraisal attacks.

Let's take one example of what happened in the Tiv village where the military murdered hundreds of civilians when 19 military personnel where allegedly abducted and killed by Tiv militia.
As far as the military where concerned, use of force was what those people understood. Going by what some of you are saying the military was correct in it's action.

Stated by the ICPC:

"The Independent Corrupt Practices and Related offences Commission disclosed Wednesday that 24 state governors have been investigated and found to be neck deep in corruption.

"Chairman of the Commission, Justice Emmanuel Olayinka Ayoola, who made the disclosure during his inaugural press briefing in Abuja did not, however, name the affected governors, but hinted that investigation had been launched into the controversial National Rural Electrification Board’s project in Enugu.

http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2006/mar/02/national%20-2-03-2006-002.htm

toshmann:
the logic is that the repeated attacks unwittingly gives the murderers the false belief that they can do anything and get away with it. with reprisal attacks,which is a signal of the readiness and possibility of a civil war,the primary killers will think twice before attacking again. even if they don't, the govt will take such scenarios more seriously and be better prepared for such eventualities.

Let us assume that this logic has merit in the real world. The killing of Southerners from the North in the first place did not stop Southerners killing Northerners from the South in the form of a repriasal attack. Now what is to stop Northern Survivors who are now back in the North from killing Southerners in the North in the form of reprailsal attacks? Absolutely nothing. The threat of civil war does not matter to a person wanting to avenge a family member. So when given the chance in the form of group action, they will take it. Just like a group of friends in a fight with another group are more likely to go too far if they out number the other group.
In fact, let's not decieve ourselves, the only reason there hasn't been more killing is because the army is on the streets in the trouble areas.

When they leave, the cycle starts all over again at the slightest provocation.

So instead of condoning repriasal attacks why don't we focus our anger at getting those responsible for the riots and killing?

Over the past few months I've been following the situation in the N.Delta and have come to reliase that the region is indeed way too underdeveloped. But you also need to reliase that this kind of under-developement compared to the rest of Nigeria has occured over a number of decades. I think what is needed is a long term development plan.

The oil companies definetly need to do more. And while they seem to still be draging their feet there does seem to be a change in the way they operate. But kidnapping contractors and destroying oil facilities will not work. It will simply not work. That is the way the world today functions. This kind of violence will not work.

I feel sorry for the real people in the N.Delta. Those that just long for the infastructure to be able to achieve a better life for themselves. These people are not being helped by the current crisis.

In my opinion, civil disobedience is probably the best way to achieve the long needed development of the N.Delta region. Make it difficult for the oil companies to operate by peaceful protest.

whirlweend:
I support the reprisal killings,BLOOD 4 BLOOD,simple.Next time they will think twice before they kill innnocent southerners going about their business.Whatever concerns the Danish cartoons and the Igbo trader?.

Question! If some Northerners go on a killing spree in the North, will that make you think twice about killing Northerners in the South? Obviously, the answer is NO. So what makes you think those that want to kill in the North will feel different?

I'm interested to know the logic of "I kill your people here, so you won't kill my people there."

This question is not aimed specifically at Southerners. It is aimed at those agitating for "Blood for Blood" wheater they are Northern, Southern, Western, Eastern or from Space.

It would seem we are a violent people after all. Any chance we get to "settle the score" or "show our might", we take it with the best of our ability in murderous abandon. Then we go to our Churches and Mosques after killing to our fill and act like the chosen ones.

It seems what nigeria needs is a nasty war. So that people can finally see and fell what it is like to live in such a situation. To see horrors that will emotionally scar us for the rest of our lives. It seems that is the only way we can "win" and become a great nation. Well at least according to some people's views here. People who are supposed to be religous and caring I might add. Maybe the time has come for us to know what it's like to live in Somalia, in Iraq, or in other war torn countries.

Bring on the bloodshed I say. Peharps the sooner we get it over with, the better.

Txlonghorn:
Dude the Nazis were a communist party, you get your facts straight.

The Nazis hated communisim which at the time was practised by the Sovient Union (Russia). That is why they eventually went to war with the Sovient Union and this s what eventually lead to their timely collaspe. Nazisim and Communisim are two different idealogies.

If you wish to know futher,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_Two
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communisim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazis


On to more important issues.

Txlonghorn:
It's very easy for people like you to come out here and put down the Christians (Igbo) for fighting back because you've never lost a loved one to those Muslims. I'm an Army Reserve, I can now claim to experience war infact this is my second tour of duty. War or violence what ever you may call it is never a pretty sight, no one in their right mind prays or looks forward to war or violence.But some times after diplomatic talks don't work, war maybe just the last resort.The Europeans and Canadians call Americans war mongers.Oh well If not for us Americans, the whole of Europe would be speaking Garman right now and their would not be a South Korea.

So if we christians don't want to be bowing our heads and praying to some shrine in Mecca we need to stand up and defend our way of live,seriously how long can we keep talking.Our people are being killed every year and the Government is not doing any thing to protect the people.

So where does it end? Must we continue the revenge attacks until we have a situation that precipitated the civil war? Must we continue to ignore lessons that history has made avaliable for us? If there are a group of people that keep breaking the rules, is it not better for them to be locked up and removed from society than for us to become like that same group of people.

Is it better for us to go on killing ourselves hoping the other group losses the will to fight first? Must we become like Sierria Leone, Liberia, Ivory Coast, DRC, Somalia etc. Must we allow the blood of thousands of nigerians to flow before we decide to say we must act like law abiding citizens. Must we be exhausted from all the killing we have done before we reliase murdering people is wrong? If your answers to these questions are yes, then by all means let the killing continue. After all people get bored of things and move on. They will get tired of murder as well.

There are 130+ million lives in Nigeria. I'm sure we won't be able to exterminate half of our population before we get tired of killing. So by all means let's keep killing and make Nigeria like the Rwanda that emerged in the nineties.

toshmann:
u see, this finally sums up the root of all this crises. UNEMPLOYMENT. that is why an able bodies strong young man who has no job after graduation can do anything.gets annoyed easily.and can be violent. the youth in the country are a wasted generation. if there were jobs they would all be thinking about their jobs and not looking for someone to kill.


unfortunately for them, their govt is thinking of 3rd term. and the idle youth now fall prey easily to temptations of violence. see the result?

It is so easy to take things out of context. You do realiase that the thrid term agenda is just one of HUNDREADS of things being discussed at the public hearings right? If they don't discuss 3rd term, then one camp will complain that there is no Demorcracy. So let them talk. It is up to the National Assembly to reject it.

Communists were the Sovient Union or agents of the Soviet Union. While the Nazis were in power Germany was one country.

seeni4ever:
seun, you are talking like you are wise, but you aren't. i personally believe that war or violence can not solve a problem but do you believe that u need it in some cases to prove who you are. some people always start problem, killing other races, killing other tribes. so tell me, someone is killing your brothers and sisters and you fold your arm saying violence is not the answer, what kind of person you are jesus?, u need to defend yourself and you need to fight back. hausas are killing other people in their states, if they don't want problem why do they start it. we are all in america today enjoying free democracy, do you think america got it on a platter of gold?, no, they fought for it, they go to war and they are free today because of what they do then. at times you need to fight to earn respect, to let other people knows that you are not a fool. before, germany is germany, later they go to war and broke to east and west because of the nazis influence in some part of the country that others don't want, later they both come together to form free germany. if there is no war then, germany wil still be a nazis country.  freedom is not free, you have to fight for it. look at all this nigerdelta problem, i am yoruba guy but i support those guys, if they don't fight for their right now, when is it going to be. violence is not good but at times we need it.

I hope that by "some people", you are not referring to an entire people (based on religion, race, ethinicity etc). If by some people, you are referring to a select number of criminals then you are right.

Get your facts straight. germany did not split into East and West because of the Nazis. They did so because of Demorcracy (West Germany) and Communisim (East germany). Violence is never the answer. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should fold our hands and do nothing, but we should be looking to hold people who organise these riots responsible. Rioters do not appear from nowhere and start rioting. Someone has to organise them and give them information on where to riot. These are the people that should be sitting in jail right now for murder. Both from the South and North.

I remember when the riots in the North happened. People where asking what Southen Nigerians in the North had to do with printing mohameed pictures? Is it because they are not Muslims/Southerners? One could also ask the same question in the South. What have these Northeners in the South (Some of whom might not even be muslim) got to do with the riots in the North? they didn't kill anyone, so why are they being killed? Is it because they are Muslim/Northerners?

This is why the rule of law must be maintained. Tit for tat killings will only lead to ANARCHY. And eventually people will forget why they are fighting in the first place because they will be so focused on getting revenge.

So many people on here seem to be deluded. Oh well, that's what the internet does to people's courage I guess.

I will say again, the people who organise these riots should be held accountable.

Seun and 9ijaMan, I'm surprised you've spent so much of your time arguing here with people who are totally clueless and irrelevant to the actual situation in the Niger delta.

MEND are a bunch of criminals. They do not fight for the Niger Delta and they do not have the support of the general population of Niger Delta. Just recently, an Itsekiri group warned them not to attempt to destroy oil facilities in their region otherwise they would resist them with force.

The Military has not even responded yet. One helicopter strike and MEND ran to kidnap more people to use as human shields. 2 things will happen to MEND. They will dissipate silently like the NPDVF have done or they will eventually face an assualt by the military and die. Either way they will disappear.

People that truely want development in the Niger delta will continue to campain in the peacefull way they have been doing. These are the people actually acheiving the small victories here and there. The ideaology of the oil companies is already changing. Now they know they must be invovled in development.

@Mingiix, please go and join MEND. The sooner you are removed from the gene pool the better.

Why can't those religious clerics/organisers of the riot be held responsible for each death? They should be thrown in jail for life. Better yet, they should be removed competely from the gene pool.

It seems as though the security forces at the moment are trying to play their response according to the "rules" of engagement.
The sad thing is if this continues and the military goes off the bend as they tend to, then it is the ordinary villagers that have been misguided by these boys and their so called general that will suffer because 'MEND' will be no where to be seen when the military goes on a full tactical assualt.

May people also begin to reliase that it took several years for nigeria to almost become a failed state and that it will also take several years+ for society to return to the standard of living in the 80's.

May people also begin to see that the world doesn't revolve around them despite their religion, ideaologies, ethnicity, or nationality.

May people also begin to realiase that their hate and negativity about Nigeria, and all good news associated with it is something most nigerians could care less about.

May the cheering chariots arise and cheer for Nigeria - for we are destined to be a great country despite those people.