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I have amended my last lengthy post. I will start working on the next post. Counter-arguments and contributions are appreciated.

Writing long takes time. There are many stuffs I haven't touched yet. Let me rest small then continue in the evening by 5:45 pm.

This is a superb performance from Liverpool.

Lightway:
Rollo is a fake

Martińez39s

I don't think he is fake. Rollo Tomassi is very redpilled. He knows what he is talking about. I wouldn't discredit him due to his blue pill past. Let's look at his message.

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Some might scoff and say that they will never be victims of the marital issues I listed. They might think their no-nonsense attitude in enforcing their standards during dating and courtship will meet the same success later on, but your woman is patiently waiting for the later stages; some think that their woman is different and will keep behaving and succumbing to their authority each time they enforce their standard and merely express their disapproval. Lol. It's really easier said than done. You can't be too sure with your assumptions until you experience the marriage situation (with kids involved). You need to be watchful. Walking away is not easy, and men really don't want their children growing up in broken homes; it is never part of their plan. Men will always think about the kids. Also, due to the points in my previous posts, you notice that many redpillers or rugged men that marry later tend to seem "softened" after marriage (not as radical as before); if care is not taken, they might unknowingly start parroting little blue pill stuffs here and there to inwardly justify their compromise and calm themselves in their position of little or no leverage.

The woman you know during dating and courtship won't necessarily be the same person you will know during marriage when kids are yet to come. Also, the woman you see during marriage when kids are yet to come isn't necessarily the same person you will see when the kids start pouring in. Women change, especially in response to a change in power dynamic and leverage. Also, the way you are perceived during these stages are different: (1) in the dating and courtship stage, your image in her head is that of a man that has leverage and alpha-like qualities, a man she feels the need to try to keep, (2) in the later stages, your image is that of a man that is locked in to only her, a man that makes compromises for her (to keep the marriage going), a man that officially has her as his only source of sex, a man over whom she now has more of the leverage etc. Both images are starkly different and both do not command the same respect and desire. Your woman sees both images as different men, hence you cannot bank on how you were before marriage. Also, only one image gives her the incentive and competition anxiety to be on her toes and behave well. This might not make sense to some, but female wiring and "logic" is backwards and does make sense for the most part. This is also the same reason why your marriage can drastically change for the worse when you take your wife abroad. Why? The power and leverage situation have been worsen by the inclusion of the gynocentric laws; your image changes. This image change is also the reason why you are treated differently when you are the breadwinner compared to when you hit hard times and she is the breadwinner.

Before I continue, let's list some warning signs that should catch your attention during your committed relationship.

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I am still typing. I have to attend to something. I will be back later.

JESHAL:
@Martiñez39s, good afternoon, regarding our discussion yesterday, I made reference to Rollo as an outlier and Redpiller still keeping his marriage intact in that their Society, it's crazy how he's doing it but in a way it makes us hopeful( i know it's against logic to rely on these) but will like you to further dig into the discussion, may be it's his redpill frame that keeping his relationship, I can't really say.

In order not to waste time and to give you something to consider while I type what I am typing, let me say this.

As an aspiring patriarch who leans towards the traditional side of things, Rollo Tomassi's marriage isn't what your standards permit.

•) Rollo didn't know about the red pill before marriage and when he got married.

•) His wife is older than him. Rollo admitted that he was his wife's fuçk buddy before marriage and his wife was sleeping with other men as well. Rollo was sleeping with other women as well. All changed when when his wife wanted him for herself, as he said.

By the way, you know the way a marriage appears on the outside is usually different from what happens on the inside. If his wife is wielding all the power that the gynocentric society affords her and being the boss, you don't expect him to admit it because of ego. The fact that a marriage subsists doesn't mean it is a happy one or that it is running as you would expect; there are usually a lot that outsiders are not aware of. Rollo doesn't talk about his marriage that much, usually for good reasons. Nevertheless, it is best not to put yourself in a position that can be detrimental to you. I am not saying Rollo Tomassi's marriage isn't it, but all I am saying is that let's not make assumptions and place our hopes in things we don't fully understand. Perhaps, as an open-minded person, I will say that maybe there is something he knows that we don't about marriage to keep it running as people think.

Finally, I am not discrediting Rollo Tomassi's red pill knowledge. Rollo is vast and profound in red pill subject.

For those following, don't mind the delay, I am composing the posts just now, so each will take time, especially when I will have to reread, make corrections and amend. There are many things I will still like to touch and I am not done yet.

It should be noted that I don't have anti-marriage intentions with my posts. I am simply discussing how marriage affects the masculine frame of men, that's all. I am giving my perspective on how it is. If I want to discuss the entire issue of marriage, I will have to dedicate more time and energy.

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As I have said, compromise of your standard (what you won't allow) for "peace to reign" is compromise, no matter your justification. Such compromises are made because men are locked-in by the marriage situation (especially when kids are involved); they will rather give in to their wives and let things slide for the marriage to go on in peace. Compromise and a "hostage" situation (where you cannot easily walk away from a woman) are not things associated with the alpha personality; if you aren't alpha to your woman, what frame do you have? This is how it is for most men. The compromises usually start small and seem inconsequential (they seem to be no big deal), and they have an implicit promise of lasting peace, but this is by the woman's manipulative design. It only gets worse from there, and if the man is not careful, he will eventually find himself in a position where he has minor leverage and control. It's even worse when the things you compromise on during marriage are standards you have been readily enforcing during courtship as a no-nonsense man, you then will be seen as a joker; with such compromise, it is clear that the scale of power isn't in your favour anymore. Men should watch out for such situations. Compromise cracks your frame.


During dating and courtship, your power (leverage) in the relationship is at its peak. Why? You can easily and readily walk away without any detriment to yourself, you can replace her for another woman and your options are still open if she messes up... these are alpha-like qualities. Women know this, that's why they usually behave themselves at this stage, only to change and reveal their true selves during the marriage when the dynamic and leverage situation are different. Women know this; married man will always notice that their wives were at their best (behaviour-wise and sex-wise) during dating and courtship. For those that are dating with the intention of marriage, it must be noted that women do not change, behaviour- and sex-wise, for the better as your relationship progresses from dating to marriage (with kids involved); it usually gets worse. IF SHE WAS TOXIC AND TERRIBLE DURING DATING AND MARRIAGE, IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE. Never ignore red flags. Also, because she is an angel during dating and courtship doesn't mean she won't change for the worse during marriage; you just can never tell by the present.


In the setting of a monogamous marriage (especially when kids are involved), the alpha-like qualities I mentioned reduces as I explained earlier. Not only can a man not walk away easily, he is less likely to be willing to replace his wife since he is locked in, he is invested and has made sacrifices, kids are involved, etc. He is more inclined to seek to keep things running in peace by any means. When you can't replace a woman and she is your only source of romantic relationship and sex (thanks to monogamy), you eliminate competition anxiety and she feels secured knowing the marriage situation has restricted you to her. She is no longer under any pressure to give you her best. Why would she? You are not going anywhere and you want things to work out. Such situation with a women isn't alpha-like; as we know, alphas can replace the woman they are dealing with, they can easily walk away, women compete for them, they are not locked-in by any woman, and no woman is officially their only source of sex for life. If you lose these things, what frame are you claiming to have? The fact that many men see their monogamous marriages as a do-or-die affair and point of no return helps to lock them in.


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JESHAL:
@Martinez39s, good afternoon, regarding our discussion yesterday, I made reference to Rollo as an outlier and Redpiller still keeping his marriage intact in that their Society, it's crazy how he's doing it but in a it makes us hopeful( i know it's against logic to rely on these) but will like you to further dig into the discussion, may be it's his redpill frame that keeping his relationship, I can't really say

I am typing a post. I haven't forgotten our discussion. This discussion might take weeks. It's an impromptu discussion and I just started writing since you and others were interested. I am typing lengthy posts out of my head, and I am spending time to articulate them properly, in the best way possible. Bare with me.

Illumined9933:
You might think it is a joke, but I don't want her back. We've enjoyed sex plenty times together and that kinda made me attached/bonded with her. Babe is now fucckking another guy and I can't be bothered. I'm honestly not interested in having her back, already blocked her on WhatsApp, and I hope she doesn't call me ever again. We started out around may last year, and as for okafor's law, I'm not interested in having any sort of dealings with her.

Something a bitch called yemisi taught me in 2018, once a woman says she wants no more, don't argue or appeal to her, just let her go.

I really like your mindset. The common sense that comes with the red pill is strong in you.



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I will continue my discussions from last night by 12:00 pm.

Smartb0y:
We yearn for more knowledge lol

Okay. I will continue tomorrow.

Goodnight everyone.

Smartb0y:
you're making crave like women

I don't understand. Can you paraphrase to my understanding?

Martinez39s:
Hehehe.

Well, It's taking me some time to properly articulate my thoughts effectively to the understanding of everyone. I have been busy throughout the week, so I just started my writing this evening. Hopefully, things will take form tomorrow. It's a really lengthy discussion, and I will have to get a lot ready this night for tomorrow's discussion.

I will appreciate counter-arguments and contribution from others. I am not done yet.

@JESHAL

I will continue my discussing tomorrow, I am in need of rest. I will come with more posts tomorrow. Pardon me for the short discussion today.

Illumined9933:
If you are going to be a redpiller cos you want to get girls, you might be disappointed. If you are going to be a redpiller cos you want to save your relationship, the redpill might actually speed up the break up process.

There are self acclaimed redpillers who like to claim the redpill tag, but would question the redpill ideology when the lady they want rejects them, even after they applied some little redpill knowledge they learned from the internet. And there are redpillers who have internalized the redpill ideology to such an extent that their views on the redpill goes beyond getting or attracting ladies. These ones have become the redpill. The redpill lives in them and they live in the redpill. The redpill doesn't makes no promises that the lady would be yours, but it does promise that you would be emotionally stable without her.

If your reason for embracing the redpill is just so you attract women, at some point, the redpill will disappoint you. The redpill always provides these tests to differentiate the fake from the real.

Many at times, the red pill will even show you that the lady you want to attract for a committed relationship is not worth it.

Many at times, the red pill will even show one that in one's present condition, one doesn't rank high amongst other men in the dating market or in attractiveness to females.

The red pill truth is not meant to be pleasing, but it is always valid and invaluable. The red pill shows us what is going on. We can always better ourselves and find peace if we walk in light of the red pill and make peace with it.

BLOODYSPERM:
Jeez

Like the way jessepaid says hehehehe

Hehehe.

Well, It's taking me some time to properly articulate my thoughts effectively to the understanding of everyone. I have been busy throughout the week, so I just started my writing this evening. Hopefully, things will take form tomorrow. It's a really lengthy discussion, and I will have to get a lot ready this night for tomorrow's discussion.

I will appreciate counter-arguments and contribution from others. I am not done yet.

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Your committed union to a woman is a game, whether you, as a man, realise it or not. Leverage and power matters a lot in your committed relationship, forget about love. You can't claim you have frame if your woman has all or most of the leverage and power. If this is the case with a man, what is the difference between him and a beta? Finally, a woman will never forgo an opportunity that will tip things in her favour, leverage- and power-wise. There is no alpha with frame that is in a position where a woman has all or most of the leverage above him, never!

All the points I made from (1) to (5) are valid. Women are usually aware of points (1) and (2) and they know how much of a safety net monogamous marriage is, so they usually relax and change after marriage, especially when kids are then involved. The thing is, as I said, as a man's committed relationship progresses from dating to marriage (with kids involved), the man's investment and sacrifices increase and his leverage decreases. Why? Usually his ability and willingness to easily detach himself from the union and walk away from the woman (when he should) decreases. Walking away, for many men, would mean raising up their children in broken homes, giving free room for parental alienation (I will touch this later) and/or seeing all the investments and sacrifices they've made during marriage go to dust. It's not that easy for many men; also, the mindset of men that sees marriage as a point of no return or do-or-die affair don't help the issue. When you are in a position with a woman where you cannot easily or even walk away, it is a beta position. She can't see you as an alpha male, because an alpha male, to a woman, has the ability and willingness to walk away.

To keep things going and to maintain harmony and peace, many men start making compromises by giving in to certain requests from their wives and enduring attitudinal changes from their wives. These seem harmless and inconsequential at first, but it is a sign of more headache and regrets to come. Men do these because they want "peace to reign." Men are compelled to do this for reasons I have mentioned earlier and, also, because women, in their self-centeredness are willing to remain stubborn even if it means turning the family upside-down to get their way. We have see many women place their clash and disagreements with their spouse above the wellbeing of their children just to prove a point or get back at their spouse (we see this in custody battles). Men, in order to maintain peace and possibly be the better and mature individual, start making compromises for "peace to reign." Such compromises cracks the man's frame and it only gets worse from here.

Alphas, by nature, don't compromise for women; it is how the game goes. It doesn't matter if your compromise is justified or not. Compromise is compromise to a woman. How can you claim to be her alpha with frame if she can get you to start making compromises to ensure "happy wife, happy life" due to a situation you found yourself in with her?


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JESHAL:
I'm see the logic here, will love more insights on the subject, is there not advanced dread game we can use to keep them in check even if it's dark triad like Machiavelli said " it's better to be feared than to be loved", again can been a high valued man with abundance of options via strong socio-economic status dread a woman whose on the declining in SMV, hedging with religion and culture too to suppress her Hypergamy, I'm not after love but control and power, my unconditional love are for my son and son son's

I will touch on this later, I am still writing another lengthy post. Your minset and approach is on point, but there are things concerning this I will still discuss. Let's take it slow; I am free from now till Sunday. Anything not discussed this night will be discussed tomorrow and the day after tomorrow.

Others can contribute.

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I will be back in a minute. I need to attend to something

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abdulkayus:
So, a redpiller should not get married?

He never said a redpiller shouldn't marry.

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MARRIAGE AND FRAME (how it is for many men).

This is for those that want to marry, and it chiefly relates to marriage today. Things simps don't realise, and what redpillers need to note like their names, are (these will form the basis of my case. It will become clearer later. Be patient with me) :

(1) The power and major leverage of man when dealing with a woman is his ability and readiness to walk away successfully without any detriment to himself. As a result, any situation that prevents this or makes it difficult should make a man thread cautiously. If a woman puts you in such a situation, your frame is in danger and it is only a matter of time before it cracks with her endless manipulation. It doesn't matter what got you involved in that situation (even if it is reasonable or justified), a man without leverage is a man without leverage to a woman and such cannot be an alpha with frame to a woman. That's how women think.

(2) for those that want to marry, never judge how your committed relationship with a woman will always be based on the present. Learn to think long-term and see the big picture. Remember that dating, courtship, engagement, marriage situation before the kids come and that after the kids come are different stages of your relationship with your woman. Each comes with different dynamic and leverage situation for both parties. In fact, as one progresses from dating to marriage (with kids involved) the investment from the man rapidly increases and his leverage decreases, keeping him locked in. This is how it is for most men. By the way, the woman you know today might not be the same woman tomorrow; emotional beings are unstable just like emotions. You might be the "love of her life" today, it might not be so tomorrow.

(3) Men, as ideal lovers, should realise that their relationship with a woman is always seen by women as a game (of power or control). Such game is ran 24/7; female nature never takes a rest. It doesn't matter your reason, if you fall to the wiles of your woman, that's it. The game is being ran whether men are aware of it or not. Such games of power dynamic will be discussed later.

(4) Compromise is detrimental to your frame. I will speak on such compromise. It doesn't matter if it is justified (whether you did it for peace to reign), compromise is compromise to a women. The only alphas women recognise are those that don't compromise.

(5) Bait and switch is real.

These will form the basis of what I shall now discuss, as regards to masculine frame in order that men would know how to handle things. Later on, I will tackle the difficulties and odds of living the patriarchal lifestyle in the modern day.

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JESHAL:
Ok, I use to watch fresh and fit, Kelvin Samuels and I Know without a doubt western women are gone, none is marriage worthy, but Nigeria women are not carrying strong independent woman attitude at least not to the degree like western women where virtually everyone of them prioritize their own career, so-called pursuit of self love, self discovery, and hedonistic fun at the cost of being family-oriented or good wife's, even the so-called conservative women are just as Feministic as their liberal counterparts, but in Nigeria women don't even have the luxury to do these as the hardship makes them prioritize survival, but I know women Nature is universal, I know that a significant portion of the female populace are doing prostitution like their male counterparts doing fraud, I know female nature is universal but we still have some women that their parental upbringing and lack of exposure make them innocent, that's what I assume sha

Fair enough, I understand you. I am still typing my lengthy post, bare with me.

JESHAL:
I'm very much free and interested, I know redpill is to abstract in it's Amoral realistic explanation on female nature, human are moral creatures, redpill logic is too perfect and inhumane in a way but still true, but our grandpa's still managed them even they were polygamous, but now due to Sexual revolution everything has changed,

Exactly! Social situations and norms have changed and most men underestimate how this change influences committed relationships for them.

Anyway, before I start I will want to make it clear that the things I will say are not my reasons for shunning marriage. Also, I am not naive, delusional or proud to think that what I am about to say hasn't been thought of by you and others; I might as well be repeating what people know and my perspective may not not be the best. Nevertheless, let's begin...

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Martinez39s:
Well, since you asked, I will explain in detail, but it won't be today. I will be so free on Friday evening, starting from 8:00 pm, till Sunday; free enough to discuss at length and answer all questions. I hope that is okay by you? I won't forget.

I didn't forget. JESHAL (aka DEMZEE), dhiqson and co, are we still interested in discussing the pitfalls (potential problems) that marriage poses to many men's masculine frames? I will particularly focus on marriage in this modern era.

NB: as always, all I will say is opened to discussion. With me, hardly anything is set in stone, so I am open to ideas and contributions on this issue.

ubunja:
all is too well bro. How is things on your side? Covid mandates and all?

Everything is fine.

ubunja:
hie man, it's been the longest time, but I'm always keeping an eye on Romanceland. Im not sure about posting anything new tho. Maybe.

Ubunja, it has been a long time. I hope all is well.

Demigod22:
I know you are bigger than #200 airtime, you should have ignored her, or educate her on why she should not be asking someone she turned down for a favor.

Educate her? Lol.

MJBOLT:

The thread will only expose more men to the red pill,any publicity is good for the red pill.

Funny enough, that thread isn't really a red pill thread. It was deliberately chosen by the mods because it puts the red pill in a bad light. The op of that thread is yet to really grasp the red pill.

So it is ladies that pay back?

MJBOLT:

Of all the red pill threads, this is what the mods decided to take to the first page. The is the first ever thread concerning the red pill that was brought to the front page.

Azurevermillion:
Can you name books related to shit test?

I don't know, but I will do some digging later.

Trex4:
But when will we be OGs so we can spend 50k on Golden V's and pour Hollandia yoghurt on girls? you know we Redpillers are usually broke

As in, we are just nerds, chronic masturbators and porn addicts who know all the names of porn stars. We need to change and grind hard so we can splash cash on hoès and be the real MVPs. After splashing 60k for pusśy, I will then come and lie here that I spent #400, just a stipend. We need to change, e go better.

CaveAdullam:
Seems you are new to this place sir and that you don't know the KING of the zhanga. Therefore, I honourably pass this "baton of honour" to him.

I'm only but a broke masturbator! Anyway, thanks for the honour sir.